Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, this is not the place for that argument. That argument's place is the legal-talk mailing list. Which makes me wonder why you posted the poll here then? It was your idea - as you said, only asking the legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: The public domain will benefit OSM. Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread OJ W
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own work in a separate database and combine it with

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 03 November 2008 01:09:41 pm SteveC wrote: Can't you guys think more than 5 minutes ahead and realise the only   way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel   projects? That way us viral people will just take all your work and   always have a better map.

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread maning sambale
public domain will benefit OSM. Why not, make a list of all people who want public domain, then download the 16GBs of planet dumps and diffs necessary to get all history. Analyze all history; extracting the nodes and ways that are How for example? Way # 12564789654321 History * Edited by

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Phooee, all these lists to choose from. Probably most sensible on legal-talk, I think (so followups to there). Erik Johansson wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't read the whole sentence: ways that are contributed PD only, Of course

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: public domain will benefit OSM. Why not, make a list of all people who want public domain, then download the 16GBs of planet dumps and diffs necessary to get all history. Analyze all history; extracting the nodes and

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Nov 2008, at 00:12, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: The public domain will benefit OSM. Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please?

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Nov 2008, at 02:09, Joseph Gentle wrote: 2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, I'm sorry for reigniting the flamewar. My intention was merely to get some data. However, I'd rather have some

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Bernt M. Johnsen
2008/11/3 OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own work in a

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Gentle Sent: 03 November 2008 10:10 To: Iván Sánchez Ortega Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll 2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: Can't you guys think more than 5 minutes ahead and realise the only way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel projects? That way us viral people will just take all your work and always have a better map. Exactly. I mean

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, I'm sorry for reigniting the flamewar. My intention was merely to get some data. However, I'd rather have some argument here than Steve's inflammatory remarks

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the license note ffs guys, legal-talk-general i believe, http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-general It's an entire mailing list set up so this un-resolvable (to a large extent) discussion can be kept away from

[OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-02 Thread Joseph Gentle
Whats important to you? Please answer this ~20 second poll: http://sineltor.selfip.org/osm.php Thanks! Joseph ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-02 Thread SteveC
You should rotate the options randomly and also try some of the consequences in the question also a) Would you like OSM to always be inferior to TeleAtlas and Navteq and probably die (PD license) b) Would you like OSM to be the best map on the planet (viral license)) c) This requires more

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-02 Thread Joseph Gentle
Steve: I disagree with your opinion. So do _many_ others. I think OSM would be vastly improved by being more open and free. I think our maps would be improved with more mapping and less lawyering. However, this is not the place for that argument. That argument's place is the legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-02 Thread SteveC
On 2 Nov 2008, at 23:35, Joseph Gentle wrote: Steve: I disagree with your opinion. So do _many_ others. and so _many_ others disagree with you I think OSM would be vastly improved by being more open and free. I think our maps would be improved with more mapping and less lawyering. Under