Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-12 Thread 80n
Mark Boslet, the Editor of Techpulse360 has modified the article to correct any misimpression. The title is now OpenStreetMap wants to be the Wikipedia of Maps and the body of the article now clearly distinguishes between CloudMade and us. 80n On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Frederik Ramm

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-12 Thread paul youlten
... never-the-less we should start tagging lamp-posts so we can easily find somewhere to hang those filthy cloudmade running dogs. ;-) On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Boslet, the Editor of Techpulse360 has modified the article to correct any misimpression.

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Tim 'avatar' Bartel
Hi, 2009/3/11 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:    as an OSM community member, I'm taking offence at the following article: http://techpulse360.com/2009/03/10/startup-cloudmade-wants-to-be-the-wikipedia-of-maps/ The article says that Cloudmade relies on its OpenStreetMap project, and:

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Stephen Hope
And you can't always blame the journalists, either. Once they send their copy in, the editors can have a go at it as well. I've seen perfectly good and factual articles become very inaccurate as the editors try and make it fit in half the space with bit of cut and paste. You'd think these days the

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Stephen Hope wrote: And you can't always blame the journalists, either. Once they send their copy in, the editors can have a go at it as well. If I may speak up for editors, a lot of journalists could avoid this unfortunate necessity by Actually Learning To Write. cheers Richard

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Lars Aronsson
Frederik Ramm wrote: I, too, am an active member of the OSM community and entitled to voice my opinion in this capacity. Since when is OSM a platform for voicing opinions? Is it suddenly a democracy? We're here to make maps. You have to explain how your rants help the project. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Nick Black
This is coming from me as a long-term OSM contributer and CloudMade founder. First, its great that the overall tone of this thread is positive. It sounds like lots of people have experienced journalists misinterpreting things. In fact, the problem isn't journalists - I explain OSM, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lars Aronsson wrote: You have to explain how your rants help the project. The impression I get is that you cause division rather than unity. On a point of order, getting all meta on a flamewar like this is the most surefire way to prolong it. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: You have to explain how your rants help the project.  The impression I get is that you cause division rather than unity.  Is that your goal? That seems destructive and irrational.  If you want the public to understand the

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: It has been pointed out that Steve, apart from being a CM manager, is also the founder of the project and thus has to juggle various roles. Please then accept that besides running Geofabrik, I, too, am an active member of the OSM community and

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Peter Miller
On 11 Mar 2009, at 12:26, Ben Laenen wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: It has been pointed out that Steve, apart from being a CM manager, is also the founder of the project and thus has to juggle various roles. Please then accept that besides running Geofabrik, I, too,

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
According to the style rules of the Italian press, interviewers have a certain margin to summarize in a striking short sentence the words of the person who is interviewed, and put that sentence in the headline between double quotes. So if Steve Coast is one day interviewed by an Italian

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Nop
Hi! Peter Miller schrieb: There have been reasons for concern, many of which have been raised in the past on this list and on legal-talk in the past and we don't need to raise them again. I really hope that we will all be able to learn from them and avoid the understandable wariness

[OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, as an OSM community member, I'm taking offence at the following article: http://techpulse360.com/2009/03/10/startup-cloudmade-wants-to-be-the-wikipedia-of-maps/ The article says that Cloudmade relies on its OpenStreetMap project, and: “This is going to be the map of the future,” says

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-10 Thread Jessica Forbess
As a lurking OSM community member who has read many many tech articles that are factually wrong through no fault of the company and who has stood next to Steve Coast a number of times as he explained what CloudMade does, I feel the need to opine that this article is a reasonable balance of fact

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-10 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I know that the press always write what they want (or what they think they understand) and not necessarily what you tell them. However, this is not the first time that the OpenStreetMap project has been confused with

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-10 Thread SteveC
another fantastic 1. Someone makes a mistake 2. ??? 3. It's Steves fault Bet you were itching to make todays Guardian mistake my fault too, eh? I can tell you Frederik that I and the rest of us at CloudMade take great pains to explain the differences between CM and OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-10 Thread Lars Aronsson
Frederik Ramm wrote: as an OSM community member, I'm taking offence at the following article: That article can indeed generate some unfortunate misinterpretations, but as you admit, it's hard to control what journalists write about you. Still, your first instinct is to attack Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Lars, Lars Aronsson wrote: If you asked the same journalist to interview you about Geofabrik, that would have a much better effect for the public understanding of OpenStreetMap's role than your current rants. It has been pointed out that Steve, apart from being a CM manager, is also the