Maxim Dubinin wrote:
Everyone spied on everyone and I guess continue to do so.
A group of Russians were just arrested in Seattle on that very charge...
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
just checked one of these maps. and interestingly it contains data which is
most likely copied from official maps which are not in PD. So it is nearly
impossible that these maps are PD. the russian copyright holder may have
bought the source data
2010/6/24 Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com:
This is only possible if those countries are nt members of
international copyright treaties. Russia (and USSR) and UK - are
members of those treaties. So same laws apply.
Unfourtunatly
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
just checked one of these maps. and interestingly it contains data which is
most likely copied from official maps which are not in PD.
Well that was the issue with OS, the ordinance
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Jaak Laineste wrote:
Unfourtunatly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_Soviet_Union does not
mention anything about maps. Were soviet military maps
subject of copyright within USSR at all? This seems to be the key
question.
According to my common sense,
Thank you Liz for sharing this!
I am in no way interested in the discussion about russians, sovjet maps, and
what should be on or off, but the unclejoe links you pasted are very nice,
simply from a historic point of view and they where completely new to me.
Being a BSc Cartographer myself, I
you don't think that only Soviet did that, right?
There is evidence, that GNS data (based on US military series) on at
least part of territory of Russia was likewise borrowed from Soviet
topomaps. No way they can systematically get names of specific
geographic features otherwise.
Everyone spied
just checked one of these maps. and interestingly it contains data which is
most likely copied from official maps which are not in PD. So it is nearly
impossible that these maps are PD.
the russian copyright holder may have bought the source data but very unlikely
they have a license for
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote:
No, they are not out of copyright. All the rights of USSR were
transfered to Russian Federation. Neither USSR, nor Russian Federation
ever transferred those maps to public domain or in any other way
allowed free use
Have you really officially purchased them from Russian government, its
military divisions or perhaps from Roskartografiya?
2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote:
No, they are not out
We purchased them from this site :
http://mapstor.com/
Here the same data is available from a usaid sponsored project :
http://www.bunkertrails.org/maps.php
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Eugene Iline evge...@ily.in wrote:
Have you really officially purchased them from Russian government,
I would like to say this, those maps are not very detailed, and really, have
been used for very rough corrections, and adding in some streams or placing
cities.
mike
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:42 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
We purchased them from
Did they show you any documents confirming that that do really have
ANY rights to sell those maps? I\m sure they did not...
K.
2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:
We purchased them from this site :
http://mapstor.com/
Here the same data is available from
Purchasing stolen maps does not make them public domain...
2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com
wrote:
No, they are not out of copyright. All the rights of USSR were
transfered to
It makes no difference how you used them!!! They are not good for osm!
K.
2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:
I would like to say this, those maps are not very detailed, and really, have
been used for very rough corrections, and adding in some streams or
We purchased them from this site :
http://mapstor.com/
AFAIK this is not legal seller of maps, and poehali.org too. They both
hosted outside Russia. So this maps can't be reliable identified as public
domain maps.
Here the same data is available from a usaid sponsored project :
I think you should take this to the legal list.
As far as I know, the copyright laws of england count for osm, not those of
russia.
mike
2010/6/24 Alexandr Zeinalov shu...@sbin.ru
We purchased them from this site :
http://mapstor.com/
AFAIK this is not legal seller of maps, and
So you want to say that you do not care for those osm-users, which are
in Russia and which may have problems using osm with copyright data in
it? Did I get you right?
K.
24 июня 2010 г. 13:56 пользователь jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написал:
I think you should
I am not saying that. I am saying that this is a topic for lawyers.
from what I learned about the discussion on wikipedia datapoints, it is uk
law that governs osm data.
mike
2010/6/24 Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com
So you want to say that you do not care for those osm-users, which are
Well then assuming this we can even say that anyone not being physically in
UK can use any copyrighted source (Google sat.) for instance to contribute
to OSM, right?
24 июня 2010 г. 14:22 пользователь jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написал:
I am not saying that.
But you should know that there are some copyright international agreements
between many countries. Russian laws can't be used in England, and russian
military secrets can't be protected by English laws. But it doesn't
concern with copyright laws. Roscartographia is a copyright holder for
soviet
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote:
And by the way I am 100% sure that in UK stolen and later sold
copyright materials are not treated us public domain.
Can I see some documentation on this theft?
Why dont you start with some dcma takedown notices for
On 24 June 2010 23:00, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
Can I see some documentation on this theft?
Why dont you start with some dcma takedown notices for the people selling
them, and see what happens?
You do realise DCMA is only for sites hosted in the US
there is no mention of PD for these maps at mapstore.com. they are not even
free of copyright from poehali.net
free download doesn't mean PD
Can I use the maps in my own project?
You have the right to use maps for the purpose of familiarization for personal
use. To use the maps or other
Hi,
Looking for data sources on Kyrgyzstan, I came across soviet military
topographic maps. This is for Osh for example :
http://en.poehali.org/maps/100k--k43-122.html
According to Wikipedia, it is in the Public domain :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Source_materials
Replying to myself, these maps are out of copyright according to our wiki :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Out-of-copyright_maps#Old_maps_found_elsewhere_on_the_web
Frédéric
Le 23 juin 2010 21:47, Frédéric Bonifas fredericboni...@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi,
Looking for data sources on
Ok so it has to be removed from the Out-of-copyright maps page of
the wiki right ?
Frédéric
Le 23 juin 2010 22:12, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com a écrit :
No, they are not out of copyright. All the rights of USSR were
transfered to Russian Federation. Neither USSR, nor Russian
Interesting. A while I ago I did some work on generating relief contours
from Viewfinder's DEM data, basis of which are old Soviet military maps:
http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/viewfinders-dem-data-comparison-with-srtm
Someone then warned me that some of the Viewfinder data stems from Soviet
No, they are not out of copyright. All the rights of USSR were
transfered to Russian Federation. Neither USSR, nor Russian Federation
ever transferred those maps to public domain or in any other way
allowed free use of them. Most of that maps were stolen from exUSSR
military bases in republics,
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