Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-08 Thread Nick Whitelegg
This is the sort of map I envision: http://www.uwsp.edu/cnr/Schmeeckle/Map/images/schmeeckle_map.jpg As an aside, I like the style of that map for doing walking routes (e.g. on Freemap) Wonder how easy it would be to generate using GD / PDF libraries etc? Nick

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-08 Thread Alex Mauer
Nick Whitelegg wrote: This is the sort of map I envision: http://www.uwsp.edu/cnr/Schmeeckle/Map/images/schmeeckle_map.jpg As an aside, I like the style of that map for doing walking routes (e.g. on Freemap) Wonder how easy it would be to generate using GD / PDF libraries etc? That I

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-07 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, highway=path makes it easier on renderers. That's a bold statement for someone who has no experience running a renderer. Without using highway=path, renderers need to understand every single specialized way. [...]

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-07 Thread Dair Grant
Alex Mauer wrote: In fact, highway=path makes it easier on renderers. Without using highway=path, renderers need to understand every single specialized way. snowmobileway, skiway, nordicskiway, telemarkskiway, alpineskiway, elephantway, etc. When someone introduces a new specialized way,

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-07 Thread Alex Mauer
Andy Allan wrote: What an absolutely terrible idea. This is astounding daft. If I have Yes, I am clearly mad. I appreciate that. chosen to render paths for cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians on my map, why on earth would I want to accidentally render every other variant when someone

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-07 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: What an absolutely terrible idea. This is astounding daft. If I have Yes, I am clearly mad. I appreciate that. chosen to render paths for cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians on my map, why on earth

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-07 Thread Alex Mauer
Dave Stubbs wrote: If the point is to show all possible paths, then you'll also want to similarly show all the roads as well? In which case an else rule on highway=* would solve the problem. The point is to show all possible paths and highlight one particular subset of them, yeah. This is the

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-06 Thread Inge Wallin
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 00:45:20 Dave Stubbs wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Burgess wrote: The only thing I see an issue with is introducing the specific 'highway=path' tag. I see this as an unnecessary complication. I guess it's a

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-06 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 06:33:10PM -0500, Alex Mauer wrote: So it really depends on interpretation. In particular, footways have a particular legal status in the UK which doesn't apply to every place that you can walk. Just as a point of information, this isn't actually true. As far as I am

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
OK, perhaps nonsensical was too strong. Against the intent of the highway tag certainly, and I'd add defeating the purpose of the access series of tags as well. I hope you agree with my point that the legal accessibility of a way doesn't belong in the highway key, especially when we have a

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incorrect. You neglected to account for the existing tags on those 509k/425k. There's actually a net gain (reduction) in the number of tags needed. The simplest cases (cycleway/footway/bridleway) are identical, obviously.

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-06 Thread Alex Mauer
Stephen Gower wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 06:33:10PM -0500, Alex Mauer wrote: So it really depends on interpretation. In particular, footways have a particular legal status in the UK which doesn't apply to every place that you can walk. call a pavement and you might call a sidewalk.

[OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Igor Brejc
Hello, Now that the highway=path has been moved to the official features page, is there any more or less agreed way of tagging marked paths? I see a lot of different proposal pages on this, but no real consensus. I myself have been tagging my local area using trailblazed=yes, but it would be

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Alex Mauer
Brejc wrote: Hello, Now that the highway=path has been moved to the official features page, is there any more or less agreed way of tagging marked paths? I see a lot of different proposal pages on this, but no real consensus. I myself have been tagging my local area using

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Tom Hughes
Igor Brejc wrote: Now that the highway=path has been moved to the official features page, is there any more or less agreed way of tagging marked paths? I see a lot of different proposal pages on this, but no real consensus. I myself have been tagging my local area using trailblazed=yes,

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: It was approved on the basis of a tiny vote on the wiki and I would say there is zero chance of most people switching from the tags that have been in use for several years to some new scheme that, as I understand it, requires about five tags for each path. Given

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Alex Mauer
Tom Hughes wrote: It was approved on the basis of a tiny vote on the wiki and I would Uh, what? 34 votes is one of the largest votes of any proposed/approved feature on the wiki. say there is zero chance of most people switching from the tags that have been in use for several years to

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Igor Brejc
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: It was approved on the basis of a tiny vote on the wiki and I would say there is zero chance of most people switching from the tags that have been in use for several years to some new scheme that, as I understand it, requires about five tags for

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Igor Brejc
Alex Mauer wrote: Brejc wrote: Hello, Now that the highway=path has been moved to the official features page, is there any more or less agreed way of tagging marked paths? I see a lot of different proposal pages on this, but no real consensus. I myself have been tagging my local

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Alex Mauer
Frederik Ramm wrote: I've never been a friend of that voting business but it seems to get more absurd every day. Is it perhaps time now to have a vote on abolishing votes altogehter - or should we continue to let people vote on whatever they like and ignore the results? Do you have a

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Jon Burgess
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:20 -0500, Alex Mauer wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: It was approved on the basis of a tiny vote on the wiki and I would Uh, what? 34 votes is one of the largest votes of any proposed/approved feature on the wiki. say there is zero chance of most people switching

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Alex Mauer
Igor Brejc wrote: Which tag value would I use for a path through the forest that is clearly visible, but with no markings? There are a lot of those in Slovenia. It's probably not necessary to tag it specially at all as I expect this is the default, but it looks like trail_visibility=excellent

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: I've never been a friend of that voting business but it seems to get more absurd every day. Is it perhaps time now to have a vote on abolishing votes altogehter - or should we continue to let people vote

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging trailblazes / marked paths

2008-08-05 Thread Alex Mauer
Dave Stubbs wrote: Gotcha. Excepth that, assuming you /can/ walk on it, that's what the rest of us have been using highway=footway for since the dawn of time (well, dawn of map features maybe. well, last couple of years at least). If it happened to have another purpose (ie: bikes or horses)