Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-us-newyork] Interested in importing address points in New York State

[Skyler Hawthorne]

Well, it turned it to be a lot easier than I was thinking it would be! I 
reached out to the contact listed on the Clearing House web site, using the 
template in the wiki page, and he replied confirming that we have 
permission to use the data. This is the text of the email exchange, and 
I've also attached the raw .eml file.


From: Winters, Frank (ITS) frank.wint...@its.ny.gov
Date: July 17, 2020 22:30:24
Subject: RE: Interested in importing the Address Point data from the 
Clearing House into OpenStreetMap

To: Skyler Hawthorne o...@dead10ck.com
CC: Coryell, Rodger (ITS) rodger.cory...@its.ny.gov, Fargione, Craig (ITS) 
craig.fargi...@its.ny.gov


Hi Skyler, nice to hear form you. We would very much like the SAM address 
points to be included in Open Street Map. The permitted use of the points 
is quite simple. You may use the points for any lawful purpose. While we do 
our best to maintain a comprehensive and accurate set of address points 
with our limited resources we know it has shortcomings. See the metadata 
for the liability disclaimer.


We generally post quarterly updates to the data set.


Frank Winters
Geographic Information Officer

Office of Information Technology Services
W. Averell Harriman State Office Campus
Bldg. 5 - Floor 1
Albany, NY 12226
518.242.5036 | 518.281.9140 m | frank.wint...@its.ny.gov


-Original Message-
From: Skyler Hawthorne  Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:30 PM
To: Winters, Frank (ITS) 
Subject: Interested in importing the Address Point data from the Clearing 
House into OpenStreetMap


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Hello Mr Winters,

Thank you for your part in making the GIS data for New York State available 
to the public through the Clearing House project!


I am a contributor to the OpenStreetMap project [1], a collaborative open 
project to create a global geodata set freely usable by anyone [2].


We respect the IP rights of others and I write to ask if we can use this 
data. There does not appear to be any explicit information about the 
license under which the data sets in the Cleaning House web site are 
distributed. It's unclear what the terms are for its use, and specifically 
whether or not it is public domain, and if it is permitted to import into 
the OpenStreetMap project and redistribute to the world under an open license.


At the most simple, I would seek a statement like this:

"The New York State GIS Program Office [or the relevant NYS department(s)] 
has no objections to geodata derived in part from the GIS Clearing House 
data sets being incorporated into the OpenStreetMap project geodata 
database and released under a free and open license" [1]


I also ask that whatever statement you are prepared to make can be made 
public for information purposes.


Below is a fact sheet. If you would like any more information, I will do my 
best to help or can ask our project's License Working Group to get in touch 
with you.


Regards,
Skyler Hawthorne

Fact Sheet

[1] The OpenStreetMap project currently has over 750,000 registered 
contributors worldwide. Our main website is https://www.openstreetmap.org


[2] We are mandated to make our geodata available in perpetuity under a 
free and open licence. We are not allowed to use a commercial license, but 
commercial organisations are allowed to use our data under similar terms.


[3] Our data is currently published under the Open Database License 1.0, 
https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=76761582-2a4eb33f-7674ecb7-000babd9fa3f-f71edf933744da0d=1=391ef603-5912-439f-b6e4-b8ac749598bd=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opendatacommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fodbl%2F


[4] Most of our geodata is contributed by individuals. However, we are very 
grateful when able to incorporate or derive from other geo-data datasets 
where license terms are compatible.


[5] We formally attribute all such sources at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution, using any specific wording 
if you request. We also try to provide a link to this page with any extract 
of data from our database. However, for reasons of practicality, we do not 
require end-users to repeat such attribution since it runs into hundreds.


[6] We also keep a public track of third party data use at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue and usually have a 
project page for each dataset, describing how we use it and whether there 
are any license restrictions to be aware of.


[7] If you have any specific legal questions, the OpenStreetMap 
Foundation's License Working Group can be reached at 
le...@osmfoundation.org and will be glad to help.


On July 16, 2020 12:16:19 Kevin Kenny  wrote:


(By the way, hi, Skyler, and welcome!  You've stepped into a difficult
area - most programmers don't realize just how difficult until they've
waded in.

The legal situation in New York is _very_ complicated, because the key
court case that governs GIS data 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Relation : multiples … ca existe ?

[Jérôme Amagat]

Tout ce trouve dans un polygone donc il ne faut pas une relation mais un
polygone avec à l'intérieur les bâtiments, le jardin, le recycleur... et on
sait que le composteur et les bâtiments font partie du "Jardin du Hêtre"
parce qu'ils sont à l'intérieur, par contre il faut y mettre les bon tags
dessus à part le nom. Je pense que c'est surtout un jardin donc le tag
principal leisure=garden convient. J'ai modifié le polygone
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/787565928 et supprimé la relation.

Le ven. 17 juil. 2020 à 15:25, Denis Chenu via Talk-fr <
talk-fr@openstreetmap.org> a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> J'ai une difficulté sur une relations, je ne sais pas comment la placer.
> L'ensmble fait partie d'un seul élément "Jardin du Hétre"
> La relation est la suivante
> 1. Deux bâtiments coté rue
> 2. 1 bâtiment intérieur (et plus)
> 2. Une zone jardin (1 deuxième zone à construire)
> 3. Un recycleur (compost partagé)
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.69923=3.16242#map=19/50.69923/3.16242
> Pour l'instant : j'ai un multipolygone "Jardin du Hétre" en plus du
> jardin "Jardin du Hétre" et du composteur "Jardin du Hétre" …
>
> On peut faire autrement ? Par exemple : indiquer quel est la partie du
> batiment coté rue qui est l'entrée ?
>
> Merci
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Découpage administratif à Paris, les conseils de quartier

[Jérôme Amagat]

Les quartiers administratifs ça sert à quoi ?
Ils ont des limites fixées depuis plus de 150 ans et ont dans leur nom le
mot "administratif" mais tout ce que je trouve apres une brève recherche
c'est qu"ils ont chacun un poste de police...(c'est une ancienne division
de la préfecture de police ?)
Donc j'ai l'impression qu'il n'ont rien à faire dans osm avec
boundary=administrative admin_level=10.
Les conseils de quartier ont aucun pouvoir non plus :) seulement
consultatif mais je trouve plus logique que pour eux il y ait
boundary=administrative admin_level=10.
Par contre pour les quartiers administratifs, il faudrait savoir a quoi ils
servent pour savoir quoi mettre dans boundary=*, peut être "historic"...

nb : Je ne suis pas parisien.
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Re: [Talk-it] wikidata OpenStreetMap

[Jo]

Io vorrei aggiungere funzionalità a JOSM per facilitare quest tipo de
operazione

Jo

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 1:06 PM Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>
> qualche giorno fa ho scoperto che qualcuno ha importato 2 anni fa 1701
> oggetti da OpenStreetMap in wikidata senza attribuzione. Vorrei rimediare e
> fare due operazioni:
>
> 1.
> aggiungere la licenza ODbL agli oggetti in wikidata e OpenStreetMap come
> fonte
>
> 2.
> aggiungere un relativo tag wikidata agli oggetti in OpenStreetMap
>
>
> Qualcuno di voi ha già fatto un’operazione simile? Ci sono degli script
> per farlo?
>
> Eventualmente qualcuno pratico in questo tipo di operazione avrebbe voglia
> di farlo? Posso fornire una query per trovare questi 1700 oggetti in
> wikidata.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] API indisponible ?

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 17/07/2020 à 23:29, Gaël Simon a écrit :


api.openstreetmap.org n’a pas pu être résolu.


Résolu en 6 et en 4.

J.

api.openstreetmap.org.  286 IN  A   130.117.76.13
api.openstreetmap.org.  286 IN  A   130.117.76.12
api.openstreetmap.org.  286 IN  A   130.117.76.11

Non, rien.


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[OSM-talk-fr] API indisponible ?

[Gaël Simon]

Bonjour,
Je travaille sous JOSM et depuis quelques minutes j’ai le message Le nom d’hôte 
api.openstreetmap.org n’a pas pu être résolu. 
Je suis le seul ?
Merci

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Re: [Talk-it] wikidata OpenStreetMap

[Stefano]

Il giorno ven 17 lug 2020 alle ore 13:06 Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>
> qualche giorno fa ho scoperto che qualcuno ha importato 2 anni fa 1701
> oggetti da OpenStreetMap in wikidata senza attribuzione. Vorrei rimediare e
> fare due operazioni:
>
> 1.
> aggiungere la licenza ODbL agli oggetti in wikidata e OpenStreetMap come
> fonte
>
> 2.
> aggiungere un relativo tag wikidata agli oggetti in OpenStreetMap
>
>
> Qualcuno di voi ha già fatto un’operazione simile? Ci sono degli script
> per farlo?
>

Puoi fare degli esempi?
Comunque per lavorare su Wikidata questo è lo strumento più facile
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:QuickStatements


>
> Eventualmente qualcuno pratico in questo tipo di operazione avrebbe voglia
> di farlo? Posso fornire una query per trovare questi 1700 oggetti in
> wikidata.
>
> Ciao Martin
>

Ciao,
Stefano


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Découpage administratif à Paris, les conseils de quartier

[Gad Jo]

Je ne suis pas certains que les conseils de quartier peuvent faire parti des 
limites administrative.
Sur ma ville un conseil de quartier peut englober jusqu'à 5 quartier ceci par 
manque de conseil existant. Mais ça peut donner une bonne idée sur le nom des 
quartier existant.

Le July 16, 2020 9:26:56 PM UTC, Brice  a écrit :
>Le découpage administratif, tel que défini pour la France
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#Valeurs_sp.C3.A9cifiques_par_pays_pour_admin_level
>défini admin_level=10 comme "limites des quartiers utilisés pour la 
>démocratie locale"
>
>Dans le cas de Paris,
>sous l'arrondissement (admin_level=9)
>ont été tracés 80 quartiers administratifs 
>(https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_quartiers_administratifs_de_Paris)
>
>avec admin_level=10
>exemple : https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2195038
>
>Mais il se trouve qu'il y a un découpage encore plus fin : les conseils
>
>de quartier 
>(https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conseils_de_quartier_de_Paris) définis 
>avec une extension territoriale 
>(https://www.apur.org/sites/default/files/documents/54.pdf), il y en a 
>124 dans Paris.
>Cas particuliers :
>- dans le  1er, 3ème, 4ème, 5ème et 7ème arrondissements les conseils
>de 
>quartier ont la même extension que les quartiers administratifs (soit 4
>
>/ arrondissement)
>- dans le  2ème, un conseil de quartier s'étend sur 2 quartiers 
>adminsitratifs
>
>Si on se réfère à "limites des quartiers..." alors admin_level=10 
>correspond bien au quartier administratif
>mais si on se réfère à la deuxième partie de la définition
>("...utilisés 
>pour la démocratie locale") alors admin_level=10 correspond au conseil 
>de quartier, à Paris.
>
>Je prévois de tracer ces conseils de quartier, que faire ?
>1/ leur attribuer un admin_level=11 ? : ne fonctionnera pas dans le 
>2ème, ni 1er à 7 non plus d'ailleurs (ou si ?)
>2/ déclasser les quartiers actuels (mais pour en faire quoi) et 
>attribuer admin_level=10 aux conseils de quartier ?
>3/ un autre type de balisage, à la façon des EPCI 
>(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/France/Limites_administratives/Tracer_les_limites_administratives#.C3.89tablissements_publics_de_coop.C3.A9ration_intercommunale_.28EPCI.29_.C3.A0_fiscalit.C3.A9_propre)
>
>?
>4/ autre ?
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Clear Creek County in Colorado has a broken county boundary

[stevea]

Taylor Smock wrote:

> https://data.colorado.gov/Transportation/Counties-in-Colorado/67vn-ijga The 
> `About` tab /claims/ that the data is Public Domain, but
> I would double check, just in case. (Some people I've talked to in county 
> governments thought public domain meant the data was
> available for the public, /not/ that the copyright status was public domain, 
> so I've learned to double check). 

Thank you for that link, Taylor.  While I am not an attorney, I am confident 
enough that when a state government adds metadata of "License:  Public Domain" 
I can discern these data are ODbL-compatible.  So I essentially re-drew OSM's 
previously-broken (significant chunks missing) polygon for Clear Creek County 
based on these data (and using the missing segment whole and unchanged).  This 
also required some massage of the data for part of the boundary shared with 
Gilpin County.  I attributed the link above in the changeset's source comment.

Especially in the area of James Peak (node/358916927), there are a number of 
boundaries here (James Peak Wilderness Area, James Peak Protection Area, Grand 
County, Continental Divide) which remain quite messy, with significant errors 
that look to be around 20 to 30 meters.  Indeed, the Continental Divide itself 
(way/385331055) is tagged FIXME=improve precision.

While I don't often publicly complain about OSM's data, thanks to this dataset 
submission to talk-us, I have noticed that a fair amount of county boundary 
data in Colorado, while extant in OSM, have serious drift and accuracy errors — 
hundreds of meters or even kilometers.  As there exist ODbL-compatible data 
which are clearly superior to OSM's current dataset, I recommend a dedicated 
editor (or team) properly import these, conflating with existing data where 
necessary (there appear to be many shared ways for edges of forest and 
wilderness boundaries).  This necessarily will be careful work, but OSM will be 
much better for it.

I don't know how extensive these sorts of data errors are in other states.  I 
stumbled down this rabbit hole while using 
http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=5=40.2=-97.5=0B000FFFTFTTTFF
 to quality-check county-boundary tagging.  There are still some oddities 
(several counties in California plus a score or so sprinkled around the lower 
48) where I still do not quite understand why they remain in apparent error, 
despite my "healing" some previously-broken boundaries.  It could be I don't 
fully understand this renderer's tiling schedule.  But while this rendering has 
improved some of those broken counties due to my improvements, some of them 
stubbornly refuse to better render, despite seeming correct (and 
correctly-tagged) polygons.  Hm.

I'm "slowly watching" this (county boundaries which appear to have decayed to 
brokenness, then repairing them), but I wanted to both share my activities more 
widely with the US OSM community, as well as thank Taylor for his quick reply 
to my request for state-issued county boundary data:  I appreciate the pointer.

SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Référencer la production alimentaire locale

[osm . sanspourriel]

Pas d'accord dans le sens où shop=farm insiste sur la production locale.

Vous mettriez un shop=butcher pour un éleveur ?

A priori les shop=farm ont une gamme de produits plus étroite que les

shop=greengrocer, butcher...

Maintenant si on ajoute produced_on_site ça devient une alternative
intéressante.

Seulement 131 usages dans le monde.

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/produced_on_site#values

Yes = entre autres, dans le même sens que organic=*.

yes 

107
81.68%
no 

18
13.74%
fruit 

2
1.53%
only 

2
1.53%
specific␣produce␣only


1
0.76%
most 

1
0.76%

Jean-Yvon

Le 17/07/2020 à 18:32, Rpnpif - rpn...@trob.eu a écrit :


Le 17/07/2020 à 13:09, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :



Il faut aussi avoir en tête qu'une ferme agricole ou une boutique de
ferme ne vend pas forcément de la production alimentaire. Par
exemple : https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7723612275


oui tout à fait, cependant le shop=farm est centré alimentation
(fraîchement récolté, donc sans doute c'est même quasi que des fruits
et légumes non ?) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfarm

shop=farm se caractérise avec product=* ou produce=* (je ne sais pas
si c'est le plus simple d'ailleurs, il pourrait être plus simple de
faire des shop=greengroccer, cheese, butcher en précisant que c'est
produit sur place par exemple)

à plus


Je n'avais pas très bien lu le wiki mais je suis bien d'accord que
shop=farm est un peu ambiguë.

Je serais d'accord avec ta proposition qui lève toute ambiguïté.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Référencer la production alimentaire locale

[Rpnpif]

Le 17/07/2020 à 13:09, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :


Il faut aussi avoir en tête qu'une ferme agricole ou une boutique de 
ferme ne vend pas forcément de la production alimentaire. Par exemple 
: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7723612275


oui tout à fait, cependant le shop=farm est centré alimentation 
(fraîchement récolté, donc sans doute c'est même quasi que des fruits 
et légumes non ?) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfarm


shop=farm se caractérise avec product=* ou produce=* (je ne sais pas 
si c'est le plus simple d'ailleurs, il pourrait être plus simple de 
faire des shop=greengroccer, cheese, butcher en précisant que c'est 
produit sur place par exemple)


à plus

Je n'avais pas très bien lu le wiki mais je suis bien d'accord que 
shop=farm est un peu ambiguë.


Je serais d'accord avec ta proposition qui lève toute ambiguïté.

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Re: [Talk-at] Autobahn Baukilometer

[Andreas]

Am 17.07.20 um 09:53 schrieb Philipp Kolmann:
> 
> 
> Am 17.07.2020 um 09:38 schrieb vari...@mailbox.org:
>> Hm, eine Ahnung, aber es gab letztens mal was im Forum, vielleicht
>> hilft das ja weiter?
>> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=68686 bzw. direkt
>> dann http://autobahnkilometer.tirol/
>>
>> Vielleicht kann man damit ja etwas machen?
>>
> 
> Danke, das schaut auch interessant aus. Ich habe mittlerweile mit Fr. DI
> Mandl-Mair gemailt, welche Projektleiterin von den GIP Daten ist, und
> sie hat mir gesagt, sie wird bei der ASFINAG nachfragen.
> 
> Möglicherweise hat diese Daten einfach noch niemand nachgefragt und sie
> wurden bisher nie exportiert...

Hm, könnte aber auch eine gewollte Einschränkung im OGD Datensatz sein.
Weil bei den Straßennetzen sind gewisse Subnetze wie Wanderwege oder
Forststraßen nicht im OGD Datensatz enthalten.

Aber meistens werden bei Interesse diese Daten dann freigegeben, falls
es keine Widersprüche mit den Ursprungsdaten-Lizenzen gibt.

lg Andreas
(geologist)

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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Robin Däneke]

In osm, we are not mapping for the render, but for a correct database with the 
agreed on rules. The standard carto/slippy map is no transport render, the 
thunderforest and öpnvkarte (bus map) are. It does not matter what the standard 
render shows. Names are just names and not 100 of line numbers added to them. 
That is the task of relation, or extra (by standard non-rendered) tags if 
really needed. When the data is there, correctly, anybody can query it. That is 
the beauty of OSM vs, e.g Google Maps. There you see no lines (or stations) if 
there is no GTFS of the area and also can’t query anything more exact. In OSM 
that works, so no dirty „workarounds" needed.

> Am 17.07.2020 um 18:09 schrieb 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit 
> :
> 
> i think it is the same tag format that only will show on the standard map the 
> street name because no one puts the
>  
> the route no on the name line and that is the only thing the non editor see’s
>  
> not like the transit map where there is a route line.
>  
> the point is there is no pop up on the standard map so how do you know what 
> the route no. it is ?
>  
> Friday, July 17, 2020 5:02 AM -05:00 from Sander Deryckere 
> :
>  
> Hi, 
>  
> > editor does not show the route number
>  
> Since you specifically mention the editor, perhaps it's worth to check out 
> JOSM as an editor. iD is just a generic editor and fine for most tasks, but 
> JOSM can be extended with plugins and styles that make it easy to work on 
> specific features (like bus routes).
>  
> Kind regards, 
> Sander 
>  
> Op vr 17 jul. 2020 11:40 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit 
>  >:
>  
>  
>  
> Jul 17, 2020, 03:15 by talk-transit@openstreetmap.org 
> :
> In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at named 
> intersections, that is at where the street
>  
> sign is.
>  
>so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop tag 
> depending on the
>  
> editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on the 
> tag ?
>  
> the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
>  
>  
>  
> You can change layer of map (cake / paper sheets button on the right)
> and select
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=T 
> 
> or
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=O 
> 
> both showing bus lines.
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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Clay Smalley]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 9:10 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit <
talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> i think it is the same tag format that only will show on the standard map
> the street name because no one puts the
>
> the route no on the name line and that is the only thing the non editor
> see’s
>
> not like the transit map where there is a route line.
>
> the point is there is no pop up on the standard map so how do you know
> what the route no. it is ?
>
>

By using something other than the standard map.

-Clay

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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit]

i think it is the same tag format that only will show on the standard map the 
street name because no one puts the
 
the route no on the name line and that is the only thing the non editor see’s
 
not like the transit map where there is a route line.
 
the point is there is no pop up on the standard map so how do you know what the 
route no. it is ?
  
>Friday, July 17, 2020 5:02 AM -05:00 from Sander Deryckere 
>:
> 
>Hi, 
>  > editor does not show the route number
> 
>Since you specifically mention the editor, perhaps it's worth to check out 
>JOSM as an editor. iD is just a generic editor and fine for most tasks, but 
>JOSM can be extended with plugins and styles that make it easy to work on 
>specific features (like bus routes).
> 
>Kind regards, 
>Sander   
>Op vr 17 jul. 2020 11:40 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit < 
>talk-transit@openstreetmap.org >:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Jul 17, 2020, 03:15 by  talk-transit@openstreetmap.org :
>>>    In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at named 
>>>intersections, that is at where the street
>>> 
>>>sign is.
>>> 
>>>   so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop 
>>>tag depending on the
>>> 
>>>editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on the 
>>>tag ?
>>> 
>>>the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>You can change layer of map (cake / paper sheets button on the right)
>>and select
>>https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=T
>>or
>>https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=O
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[Talk-lt] Vilnius ketina paskelbti ženklų žemėlapį

[Eduardas Kriščiūnas]

Rašo, kad bus kaip Klaipėdoje. Tomai, ar esi matęs jį? Gal reikia kaip 
nors kitaip duomenis pateikti, kad ir OSM naudos būtų?


Čia klaipėdietiškasis: 
https://klaipeda.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=88a5514e62b0432fa885c5000dc24ad0



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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] private or not, USA ?

[Matthew Woehlke]

On 16/07/2020 21.06, Steve Friedl wrote:

On 16/07/2020 20.58, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us wrote:

Are wi-fi passwords and the IP number of a hot spot, located in MC Donald, 
burger-king, Starbucks,


Answering a different question than what you asked: they don’t belong in OSM, 
so any other answer is off topic.


...and in addition, yes, they are private. Such AP's are usually for 
customers only; said establishments will likely be very annoyed if you 
go around publishing their passwords. It may even be illegal to do so.


**DO NOT** add such information to OSM.

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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Agustin Rissoli]

In OsmAnd you can do the same, touching the stop shows all the routes.
Alternatively at osm.org you can know the routes of a stop using the tool
"?"

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> topics" 
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> If you click on a bus stop at http://openbusmap.org/ it will show you the
> routes that stop there. Is this closer to what you're looking for?
>
>  -Clay
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 6:16 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit <
> talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> > In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at
> > named intersections, that is at where the street
> >
> > sign is.
> >
> >so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop
> > tag depending on the
> >
> > editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on
> > the tag ?
> >
> > ​​​the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
> >
> >
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[OSM-talk-fr] Relation : multiples … ca existe ?

[Denis Chenu via Talk-fr]

Bonjour,

J'ai une difficulté sur une relations, je ne sais pas comment la placer.
L'ensmble fait partie d'un seul élément "Jardin du Hétre"
La relation est la suivante
1. Deux bâtiments coté rue
2. 1 bâtiment intérieur (et plus)
2. Une zone jardin (1 deuxième zone à construire)
3. Un recycleur (compost partagé)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.69923=3.16242#map=19/50.69923/3.16242
Pour l'instant : j'ai un multipolygone "Jardin du Hétre" en plus du
jardin "Jardin du Hétre" et du composteur "Jardin du Hétre" …

On peut faire autrement ? Par exemple : indiquer quel est la partie du
batiment coté rue qui est l'entrée ?

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Re: [Talk-ca] Proposal to tag Yonge Street in Toronto and York Region as Primary

[Kevin Farrugia]

Maybe we look at volume and connectivity to higher orders of road and/or
connectivity to other municipalities as the criteria?

In some areas these will also happen to be former provincial highways (ex:
parts of former Hwy 7, parts of former Hwy 10/Hurontario, Main St
(Hamilton), etc.) while others won't have ever been provincial, such as
Adelaide, Dixie, Steeles, King (Hamilton).

When those former highways were being made primary before, they were simply
only because they were former provincial highways and not because of
volume, for example Queen & Main (former Hwy 7 & Hwy 10) in downtown
Brampton was made Primary.

Thoughts?

-Kevin


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> What Jarek says makes sense to me.  I suspect many of the map users don't
> live where the use the map.
>
> Having said that could we come up with something that could be applied
> across Canada or is that too much to ask for?
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Proposal to tag Yonge Street in Toronto and York Region as Primary

[john whelan]

What Jarek says makes sense to me.  I suspect many of the map users don't
live where the use the map.

Having said that could we come up with something that could be applied
across Canada or is that too much to ask for?

Thanks John

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 22:39 Jarek Piórkowski  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 11:30, Andrew Deng via Talk-ca
>  wrote:
> > Hello, I believe Yonge Street in Toronto and York Region (Regional Road
> 1) should be tagged as highway=primary rather than highway=secondary as it
> is tagged now.
> > Here are some reasons I believe why:
> > 1) Yonge Street is considered the "Main Street" of Toronto, Thornhill,
> Richmond Hill, and Aurora. It is also a major road in Newmarket.
> > 2) It is a major thoroughfare throughout the route. In Toronto, the
> Yonge subway follows it and in York Region, Viva bus lanes are being built.
> It also connects to Bradford in the north.> 3) It was a former Ontario
> King's Highway - Highway 11. Some other former King's Highways in the
> Toronto/York area are tagged as highway=primary, such as Highway 27,
> Highway 7, and Highway 48.
>
> Hi Andrew, hi mailing list,
>
> I've been thinking about this for a while. Thanks for bringing this up!
>
> I'd like to contribute to a wider discussion about tagging primary in
> Ontario, particularly in urban and suburban areas. I think we should
> use it more - here's why.
>
> I've been unhappy for a while with the tagging guidelines for Ontario
> roads. The primary/secondary/tertiary OSM scheme originated in the UK,
> where basically all "A-roads" are primary (or trunk) and all "B-roads"
> are secondary. This is a UK-wide scheme and a crucial point is that
> there are still A-roads in busy urban areas. For example what is by
> GTA standards a narrow street in inner city like
> https://osm.org/way/327282307 (one-way, 1 or at most 2 lanes) is
> primary because it's an A road. [1] Many other regions in Europe also
> use primary for urban thoroughfares with frequent cross streets.
>
> For a long time, the Canadian tagging guidelines were a very close
> copy of the UK scheme - check out Danny's wiki edit in May 2019 [2]
> that removed very UK-like references to "C roads" (a UK
> classification) and "a suburb" ("An example would be the main roads
> within the suburb to get to the local primary school", "A
> highway=residential road which is used for accessing or moving between
> private residential properties (homes).  Otherwise called a
> 'suburb'."), and removed a statement that primary, secondary, and
> tertiary roads are "all maintained by the provincial governments, with
> provincial jurisdiction."
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence
> still specifies that in Canada, a highway=primary is a "Provincial
> primary highway that does not meet freeway standards". That might work
> in BC, where there are provincial highways in downtown Vancouver, but
> it doesn't work in Ontario. BC Highway 99 through downtown Vancouver
> is tagged as trunk, and it is no wider than Yonge through York Region
> tagged as secondary.
>
> Historically, in Ontario, the maintenance and jurisdiction of a road
> has more to do with whether a lower-level government could be
> strong-armed into accepting ownership in the 1990s than with its
> actual role in the road network. Ontario government downloaded the
> roads it could onto the regions and cities, but of course the volume
> of traffic or significance of the road doesn't change just because we
> enter a somewhat-built-up area (or it increases). There's some good
> examples along Highway 7 entering east Kitchener and east Guelph.
> Highways 8 and 24 entering south Cambridge are more examples - it's
> just a cut at point of jurisdiction change, it's got nothing to do
> with the actual road or its use.
>
> As a result, we don't really show the main roads in Ontario cities. We
> mostly jump from a freeway straight to secondary, and most exceptions
> are recent changes.
>
> To an extent a grid system, which most Ontario cities use, does of
> course consist of a number of fairly equal arterials, but natural
> obstacles often get in the way, and so in Toronto/GTA some arterials
> are more equal than others. Is every grid street really the same rank?
> When everything is secondary, what really is secondary?
>
> To give some examples, in Toronto Lake Shore Blvd is clearly a busier
> road and can carry more inter-local traffic than Church or Yonge
> downtown, yet currently they're all secondary. Adelaide and Richmond
> are the designated through corridors - consider especially their
> direct connection to the DVP. Given the choice, you should be driving
> on Adelaide/Richmond, not on Queen - they are designed for this. Yet
> again, Queen, Adelaide, and Richmond are currently all secondary.
>
> Until last year, York Region's Highway 7 was being indicated the same
> secondary as Dundas Street next to Dundas Square (because after all,
> Hwy 7 was downloaded). They are 

Re: [Talk-it] Sondaggio OpenStreetMap Italia

[mbranco2]

Grazie Anisa del tuo lavoro, interessante.

Oltre a notare che non hanno risposto mappatori di San Marino e Vaticano
(forse hanno una loro mailing list? :-) ), ho provato a rapportare i
mappatori che hanno risposto al numero di abitanti della loro regione;
questa la classifica (il rapporto è fatto su 100.000 abitanti) :

 Valle d'Aosta 1,592
 Trentino-Alto Adige 1,119
 Friuli-Venezia Giulia 0,658
 Umbria 0,567
 Piemonte 0,551
 Liguria 0,451
 Molise 0,327
 Abruzzo 0,305
Lombardia 0,299
 Toscana 0,295
 Veneto 0,285
 Marche 0,262
 Emilia-Romagna 0,224
 Lazio 0,204
 Sardegna 0,183
 Sicilia 0,080
 Puglia 0,074
 Campania 0,017
 Basilicata 0
 Calabria 0

Il giorno gio 16 lug 2020 alle ore 19:46 Anisa Kuci 
ha scritto:

> Ciao a tutti,
>
> in questo link
> 
> trovate le slide con le statistiche del sondaggio rivolto alla comunità di
> OSM Italia.
>
> Chiedo scusa per il ritardo e spero davvero che troverete i risultati
> interessanti quanto li ho trovati io.
>
> Penso che siano un buon punto di partenza per riflettere su molte cose
> riguardanti la situazione attuale di OSM Italia e vedere dove possiamo
> lavorare di più.
>
> Nell'ultimo slide trovate un link di un pad creato per commenti o altre
> idee che volete condividere. :)
>
> Vi ringrazio tantissimo per tutte le vostre risposte, per le idee e
> proposte e per il tempo dedicato al sondaggio!
>
> Buona serata e buona mappatura,
>
> Anisa
>
>
> On 7/12/20 2:15 PM, Anisa Kuci wrote:
>
> Ciao a tutti,
>
> vorrei proporre un incontro aperto a tutta la comunità OSM italiana dove
> condividerò con voi una presentazione dei risultati del sondaggio che vi ho
> inviato qualche settimana fa.
>
> Le risposte sono state molte e le statistiche sono molto interessanti. Vi
> prego di partecipare all'incontro in modo da poterne discutere insieme.
>
> Propongo il *15 luglio (mercoledì) alle 17:00*. Ci troviamo in questa
>  stanza Jitsi.
>
> La presentazione con i risultati sarà pubblicata nella lista talk-it -
> ovviamente senza i dati personali di nessuno - dopo l'incontro, così
> chiunque voglia può tornare a vederli in dettaglio.
>
> Grazie a tutti e buona domenica!
>
> A presto,
>
> Anisa
>
>
>
> On 6/19/20 7:20 PM, Anisa Kuci wrote:
>
> Ciao,
>
> C'è tempo fino a lunedì (22 giugno) per compilare il sondaggio (APERTO A
> TUTTI I MEMBRI DELLA COMUNITÀ OSM ITALIA) con le vostre opinioni!
>
> Condivido di nuovo il link:
> https://sondaggio.wikimedia.it/index.php/724728?lang=it
>
> Buon weekend,
>
> Anisa
> On 6/16/20 12:32 PM, Anisa Kuci wrote:
>
> Ciao a tutti,
>
> questo è solo un gentile promemoria per chi non ha compilato il
> questionario che rimane attivo fino 22 Giugno.
>
> Più risposte avremo, meglio sapremo quali sono gli argomenti più
> importanti per la comunità.
>
> Vi ringrazio in anticipo!
>
> Buona giornata,
>
> Anisa
> On 6/8/20 4:46 PM, Anisa Kuci wrote:
>
> Ciao a tutti,
>
> in collaborazione con i coordinatori di OSM Italia abbiamo preparato
> un'indagine con argomenti e attività diverse.
>
> Chiedo gentilmente a tutta la comunità di OSM Italia di compilare il
> sondaggio  in
> modo da poter creare un'idea degli argomenti più importanti su cui lavorare.
>
> Se volete condividerlo nei gruppi regionali, per favore segnalatemi dove è
> stato fatto.
>
> Il sondaggio sarà disponibile per due settimane a partire da oggi (fino al
> 22 giugno).
>
> Fatemi sapere se avete domande!
>
> Buona mappatura,
>
> Anisa
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Référencer la production alimentaire locale

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 17/07/2020 à 11:23, Rpnpif a écrit :

Bonjour,

Le 16/07/2020 à 14:15, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :


Merci Christian,

Le 15/07/2020 à 20:34, chris-...@netcourrier.com a écrit :

Bonjour.

En complément :

J'avais pris le temps de regarder ceci il y a 1 an, et j'ai résumé 
ici :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_CircularEconomy 
(paragraphe sur "produits alimentaires locaux")


Il y a plusieurs sites exemples, basés sur osm :

1. Marchés, magasins et distributeurs automatiques de produits 
alimentaires sur le site Web Farmshops.eu :

https://farmshops.eu
Tags utilisés :
shop=farm
amenity=vending_machine and tags supplémentaires vending=milk et 
vending=food

amenity=marketplace

2. Les marchés avec Wo ist markt :
https://wo-ist-markt.de/

Et si je résume :
Fermes qui font de la vente directe : shop=farm avec produce=* (ne 
pas utiliser product=* pour les produits peu ou pas transformés)

Bio : organic=yes and organic=only


ceux sont effectivement les mêmes tags.

j'ajouterai le landuse=farmyard même si cela concerne surtout des 
producteurs agricoles n'ayant pas forcément de point de vente 
(shop=farm) mais ayant par exemple une activité sur des marchés et/ou 
éventuellement sur rendez vous.


Encore merci


Il faut aussi avoir en tête qu'une ferme agricole ou une boutique de 
ferme ne vend pas forcément de la production alimentaire. Par exemple 
: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7723612275


oui tout à fait, cependant le shop=farm est centré alimentation 
(fraîchement récolté, donc sans doute c'est même quasi que des fruits et 
légumes non ?) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfarm


shop=farm se caractérise avec product=* ou produce=* (je ne sais pas si 
c'est le plus simple d'ailleurs, il pourrait être plus simple de faire 
des shop=greengroccer, cheese, butcher en précisant que c'est produit 
sur place par exemple)


à plus


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[Talk-it] wikidata OpenStreetMap

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone


qualche giorno fa ho scoperto che qualcuno ha importato 2 anni fa 1701 oggetti 
da OpenStreetMap in wikidata senza attribuzione. Vorrei rimediare e fare due 
operazioni:

1.
aggiungere la licenza ODbL agli oggetti in wikidata e OpenStreetMap come fonte

2. 
aggiungere un relativo tag wikidata agli oggetti in OpenStreetMap 


Qualcuno di voi ha già fatto un’operazione simile? Ci sono degli script per 
farlo? 

Eventualmente qualcuno pratico in questo tipo di operazione avrebbe voglia di 
farlo? Posso fornire una query per trovare questi 1700 oggetti in wikidata.

Ciao Martin 
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[Talk-it] Biblioteche: importare Wikidata in OSM?

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Dopo la deludente verifica del dataset ICCU (vedi post "Controllo
coordinate dataset Biblioteche"), si potrebbe tentare la strada della
sinergia tra dataset Wikidata ed OSM, importando con conflation.

Qua [1] la mappa di audit:
pin verde: nuova biblioteca (assente in OSM oppure coordinate Wikidata
fuori di oltre 100 metri)
pin blu: si propone la scelta dei tag OSM tra i due dataset
pin blu semitrasparente: coordinate dal dataset wikidata

Purtroppo la mappa ha già evidenziato dei problemi in un changeset
[2], con alcune biblioteche in mezzo alla strada, curiosamente
coincidenti con le coordinate Wikidata; presumo quindi che Wikidata ed
OSM abbiano attinto dalla stessa fonte, dichiarata nel changeset come
"Regione Toscana".

[1] http://audit.osmz.ru/project/TuLib/
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82520037

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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Sander Deryckere]

Hi,

> editor does not show the route number

Since you specifically mention the editor, perhaps it's worth to check out
JOSM as an editor. iD is just a generic editor and fine for most tasks, but
JOSM can be extended with plugins and styles that make it easy to work on
specific features (like bus routes).

Kind regards,
Sander

Op vr 17 jul. 2020 11:40 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit <
talk-transit@openstreetmap.org>:

>
>
>
> Jul 17, 2020, 03:15 by talk-transit@openstreetmap.org:
>
> In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at
> named intersections, that is at where the street
>
> sign is.
>
>so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop
> tag depending on the
>
> editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on
> the tag ?
>
> ​​​the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
>
>
>
>
> You can change layer of map (cake / paper sheets button on the right)
> and select
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=T
> or
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=O
> both showing bus lines.
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Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit]

Jul 17, 2020, 03:15 by talk-transit@openstreetmap.org:

>     In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at named 
> intersections, that is at where the street
>  
> sign is.
>  
>    so you DO know where you are. but on the OSM standard map the bus stop tag 
> depending on the
>  
> editor does not show the route number, can you have the route number on the 
> tag ?
>  
> ​​​the wiki on this seems to be written for a European standard.
>  
>  
>  
>
You can change layer of map (cake / paper sheets button on the right)
and select 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=T
or
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.60203/-122.32333=O
both showing bus lines.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Référencer la production alimentaire locale

[Rpnpif]

Bonjour,

Le 16/07/2020 à 14:15, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :


Merci Christian,

Le 15/07/2020 à 20:34, chris-...@netcourrier.com a écrit :

Bonjour.

En complément :

J'avais pris le temps de regarder ceci il y a 1 an, et j'ai résumé ici :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_CircularEconomy 
(paragraphe sur "produits alimentaires locaux")


Il y a plusieurs sites exemples, basés sur osm :

1. Marchés, magasins et distributeurs automatiques de produits 
alimentaires sur le site Web Farmshops.eu :

https://farmshops.eu
Tags utilisés :
shop=farm
amenity=vending_machine and tags supplémentaires vending=milk et 
vending=food

amenity=marketplace

2. Les marchés avec Wo ist markt :
https://wo-ist-markt.de/

Et si je résume :
Fermes qui font de la vente directe : shop=farm avec produce=* (ne 
pas utiliser product=* pour les produits peu ou pas transformés)

Bio : organic=yes and organic=only


ceux sont effectivement les mêmes tags.

j'ajouterai le landuse=farmyard même si cela concerne surtout des 
producteurs agricoles n'ayant pas forcément de point de vente 
(shop=farm) mais ayant par exemple une activité sur des marchés et/ou 
éventuellement sur rendez vous.


Encore merci


Il faut aussi avoir en tête qu'une ferme agricole ou une boutique de 
ferme ne vend pas forcément de la production alimentaire. Par exemple : 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7723612275


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Rpnpif



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Re: [Talk-it] Link Wikidata-OSM: no match

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Sto provando oggi.
Ha attivato il "download from Spohox API".

Grazie per il suggerimento!

Il 16/07/20, Jo ha scritto:
> Ciao,
>
> Hai provato di utilizzare il plugin Wikipedia de JOSM?
>
> Polyglot
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 11:32 AM Cascafico Giovanni 
> wrote:
>
>> Sto cercando di integrare in OSM eventuali biblioteche toscane
>> presenti in Wikidata. Ho scaricato da WD con questa [1] query.
>>
>> Perchè, tra i diversi oggetti "no match", c'è anche questa [2]
>> biblioteca? L'oggetto OSM è dalla parte opposta della piazza, ben
>> entro il raggio di ricerca [3] della query che usa questo strumento di
>> link
>>
>>
>> [1] https://w.wiki/Wym
>> [2] https://osm.wikidata.link/Q86537068
>> [3] (around:1000,44.07872,10.09992)
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Re: [OSM-talk] private or not, USA ?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

If they were public, why would there have to be a password anyway (maybe to
have the connection encrypted)? Are they exposed publicly, or do you have
to be a client and get a piece of paper with the password on it, or at
least enter the place and look at a blackboard? From my experience these
passwords are thought to be provided to customers only, not to the general
public, but it might be different elsewhere.

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-at] Autobahn Baukilometer

[Philipp Kolmann]

Am 17.07.2020 um 09:38 schrieb vari...@mailbox.org:

Hm, eine Ahnung, aber es gab letztens mal was im Forum, vielleicht hilft das ja 
weiter?
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=68686 bzw. direkt dann 
http://autobahnkilometer.tirol/

Vielleicht kann man damit ja etwas machen?



Danke, das schaut auch interessant aus. Ich habe mittlerweile mit Fr. DI 
Mandl-Mair gemailt, welche Projektleiterin von den GIP Daten ist, und 
sie hat mir gesagt, sie wird bei der ASFINAG nachfragen.


Möglicherweise hat diese Daten einfach noch niemand nachgefragt und sie 
wurden bisher nie exportiert...



lg
Philipp

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Re: [OSM-talk] private or not, USA ?

[Alex Dawn]

Both of those are subject to regular changes, I've  seen a lot of hospitality 
passwords fit the year within them and probably have some conditions of use. 
Depends where they place the board with the details may be?

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Subject: [OSM-talk] private or not, USA ?

Are wi-fi passwords and the IP number of a hot spot, located in MC Donald, 
burger-king, Starbucks,

motel 6, super 8, best western ect. public ?



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Re: [Talk-at] Autobahn Baukilometer

[various]

Hm, eine Ahnung, aber es gab letztens mal was im Forum, vielleicht hilft das ja 
weiter?
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=68686 bzw. direkt dann 
http://autobahnkilometer.tirol/

Vielleicht kann man damit ja etwas machen?

> Philipp Kolmann  hat am 17.07.2020 09:08 geschrieben:
> 
>  
> Hallo Andreas
> 
> Am 17.07.2020 um 00:03 schrieb Andreas:
> > ich habe nochmal drüber nachgedacht und glaube du müsstest mit den
> > Bezugspunkten von der GIP auskommen. Die Bezugspunkte liegen ja als
> > Punkt-Feature vor und daher hat jeder Bezugspunkt entsprechende
> > Koordinaten. Mit einem GIS Programm deiner Wahl, zb QGIS kannst du dir
> > die Koordinaten zusätzlich als Attribute ausgeben lassen und zu den
> > Bezugspunkten dazu speichern.
> 
> Danke für den Hinweis mit den Bezugspunkten. Die Idee ist ansicht super, 
> nur leider gibts keinen einzigen Bezugspunkt mit Owner ASFINAG (Id 11 
> laut LUT_DATABASE)
> 
> Alle anderen Strassen sind damit super kilometrierbar...
> 
> lg
> Philipp
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Re: [Talk-at] Autobahn Baukilometer

[Philipp Kolmann]

Hallo Andreas

Am 17.07.2020 um 00:03 schrieb Andreas:

ich habe nochmal drüber nachgedacht und glaube du müsstest mit den
Bezugspunkten von der GIP auskommen. Die Bezugspunkte liegen ja als
Punkt-Feature vor und daher hat jeder Bezugspunkt entsprechende
Koordinaten. Mit einem GIS Programm deiner Wahl, zb QGIS kannst du dir
die Koordinaten zusätzlich als Attribute ausgeben lassen und zu den
Bezugspunkten dazu speichern.


Danke für den Hinweis mit den Bezugspunkten. Die Idee ist ansicht super, 
nur leider gibts keinen einzigen Bezugspunkt mit Owner ASFINAG (Id 11 
laut LUT_DATABASE)


Alle anderen Strassen sind damit super kilometrierbar...

lg
Philipp

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [HS mais pas trop] Référencer la production alimentaire locale

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 16/07/2020 à 16:42, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :


Le 15/07/2020 à 20:34, chris-...@netcourrier.com a écrit :

J'avais pris le temps de regarder ceci il y a 1 an, et j'ai résumé ici :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_CircularEconomy 




Pourquoi j'ai du mal avec ce «concept» d'Economie Circulaire » qui 
tente de nous faire croire que « Puisqu'on sait recycler (circulaire) 
on peut consommer/polluer/gaspiller »





parce que c'est des débats, lobbyings sur certains concepts (le 
développement durable est un autre exemple).


parce qu'il y a des tenants de cette conception de l'économie circulaire 
et des tenants qui considèrent que c'est forcément moins de 
consommation, de pollution et de gaspillage.


Pour connaître quelques "acteurs", il est difficile de les taxer 
d'incitation à la consommation, à la pollution ou au gaspillage (car 
c'est aussi réparation, lutte contre l'obsolescence programmée, ...).


Mais il y a bien toute une catégorie d'acteurs qui va dans le sens que 
tu évoques "consommer car c'est recyclable" !



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Vincent Bergeot


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