[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: 6 April 2011 19:08 Subject: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ... To: d...@openstreetmap.org ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license change implementation plan [1]. This involves

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:31:53 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com didn't write: (Michael Collinson did) For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program.

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Grant Slater
On 6 April 2011 10:51, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:31:53 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com didn't write: (Michael Collinson did) For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread {withheld}
On 06/04/11 19:31, John Smith wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: 6 April 2011 19:08 Subject: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ... To: d...@openstreetmap.org ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors

2011-04-06 Thread All Blokes
I was very keen and learning ...had done a few edits not many but I was planning on getting right into it. I don't agree with the new licensing and have just been sitting on the side reading. I have some firm views against the new licensing and also about the methods that have

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Michael Hampson
So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? I have read what I could about the new Contributor Terms and I get the drift about the CC-BY-SA and ODbL. Just not sure about the OSMF bit. Regards, Michael

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread James Livingston
On 06/04/2011, at 7:31 PM, John Smith wrote: ... the License Working Group intends implementing Phase 3 of the license change implementation plan [1]. This involves blocking edits with HTTP Forbidden messages until the individual contributor has Accepted/Declined the new terms by logging in

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:50 AM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: Time to go read the CTs again... Hi James, That's one of the sections of v1 that has been clarified in v1.2.4. Have a look. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread 4x4falcon
There are around 12,000 accounts which have prior to May 2010 contributed 95%+ of all the data. So how many of these 12,000 accounts have agreed to the new CT's? Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread 4x4falcon
There are around 12,000 accounts which have prior to May 2010 contributed 95%+ of all the data. Regards Grant Also how many of these are actual people not import accounts eg ABS2006? Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:52 AM, 4x4falcon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: There are around 12,000 accounts which have prior to May 2010 contributed 95%+ of all the data. Regards  Grant Also how many of these are actual people not import accounts eg ABS2006? I don't know, I haven't tried to

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors

2011-04-06 Thread Kevin Sheather
Paul, I know how you feel. I came home from a trip to remote Australia with lots of material to upload and was met with the “traffic” generated by this issue. I don’t understand what’s it’s all about. The Wicki, like it is in most things, is confused and inconclusive. No one has contacted

[talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence

2011-04-06 Thread Michael Hampson
This came through over night. Is it a standard mailer going out to all? Original Message Subject:[OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:09:39 +0100 From: wicking m-177534-5c8...@messages.openstreetmap.org To:

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 22:09 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? Well, it depends what you read. According to the wiki, stage 4 is when OSM asks the community what

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence

2011-04-06 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 09:17 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: This came through over night. Is it a standard mailer going out to all? I received the same, so presumably yes. One has to wonder how many innocent users who dont want to be banished from the project, simply click 'agree' or follow

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:37 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 22:09 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? Well, it depends what you

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 09:37, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: In UK: - This will remove 65% of users - This will remove 40% of nodes, 40% of ways and 10% of relations In Europe: - This will remove 61% of users - This will remove 20% of nodes, 20% of ways and 15% of relations I wonder

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 10:06, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to NearMap? Nearmap have refused to allow data derived from their imagery to be used without guarantee of attribution and share-a-like in a future license, or having a guarantee that such data would be removed

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:14 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 10:06, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to NearMap? Nearmap have refused to allow data derived from their imagery to be used without guarantee of attribution and

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 April 2011 10:31, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: Surely that's a simple procedural matter then (CT 1.2.4 already has It always has been, but as others have pointed out, control of the process has gone on largely without proper consultation and feedback to better shape what

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence

2011-04-06 Thread James Livingston
On 7 April 2011 09:42, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 09:17 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: This came through over night. Is it a standard mailer going out to all? I received the same, so presumably yes. More importantly is it a official OSMF or

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors

2011-04-06 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 6 April 2011 21:47, All Blokes speed_13...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I was very keen and learning ...had done a few edits not many but I was planning on getting right into it. I don't agree with the new licensing and have just been sitting on the side reading. Just out of interest, I'd

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence

2011-04-06 Thread Leon Kernan
More importantly is it a official OSMF or semi-official LWG email, or just some pro-ODbL people spamming everyone? Pretty sure it's the last one. I received it a few weeks back, even through i'd put a note on my OSM user page saying i didn't want it. I'm sure i've seen something on the OSM

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Leon Kernan
Supposedly it sends you to this flippant page if you decline the CT: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined I think the lolcat picture on that page tells us exactly what they think of those of us that won't / can 't / don't want to accept their terms. Certainly

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Grant Slater
On 7 April 2011 00:37, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 22:09 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? Well, it depends what you read.  

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 03:19 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: For clarity: (according to odbl.de) In Australia: For pete's sake! Stop making up blatantly untrue stuff. Those are likely the precentages if we moved *today* without even formally contacting/emailing anyone. I never made

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap

2011-04-06 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 7 April 2011 12:57, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested why isnt OSMF seeking to make a rapid agreement with NearMap as was done with Bing? This really needs to be done. Is wonder if this is just due to a shortage of