Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-30 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 30 April 2012 18:24, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: What if there were two signed routes near each other, but there wasn't, strictly speaking, a signed route between the two? Let's say 200m. Focussing on hypothetical edge cases always seems to me to result in bad decisions. I

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-29 Thread Ian Sergeant
Hi, Seems like we have a fair bit to discuss if we ever manage to sit down over a beer. I agree, however, that overall most of these differences are unlikely to make a substantial difference to the map. However, returning to the two key points on cycle routes in AU. Firstly, mapping personal

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: route from somewhere to somewhere else.  We've seen on sites like bikely how prolific these cycle routes can be, with around 9000 cycle routes crossing the Sydney area alone. We agree that it wouldn't be a Worth

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-29 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. I agree with Ian. Some of this comes down to a question of What is a cycle route? Most of the ones I have mapped (and there are quite a few in Sydney) are laid out by local government. I generally look for some evidence on the ground before I add lcn, and I often look at council maps to

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Cycle and walking routes get relocated, torn up, fences put across them. ...and there's no way we can keep up with such changes. Park names?  The name that is on the park prevails - quite often different to other

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree.  The map what's on the ground is a good mantra.  It solves 90% plus of  contentious mapping issues, by making a decision to map what is there.  It also guides us towards verifiability - which is a key tenet

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-26 Thread Ian Sergeant
On Apr 27, 2012 12:43 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Verifiability and objectivity are the principles here - so let's call them that. Map what's on the ground fails in plenty of cases: - walking/bike routes (what's on the ground is a few signposts, nothing more) - ferry routes

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-25 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 24 April 2012 11:23, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: (Btw, the map what's on the ground mantra is really inaccurate - we map tons of stuff which is not on the ground in any literal or even metaphorical sense. It's not a good rule of thumb.) I disagree. The map what's on the ground

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-24 Thread Adrian Plaskitt
@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie? Message-ID: cadht9wb6qwtthzssjmzqfj4-noqvdwr3nmtq6wbafk97kt1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've recently moved back to Lake Macquarie after some years in Canberra

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-23 Thread Lachlan Rogers
Thanks for your wise comments, Ian. I do clearly see the problem with individuals tagging up their own favourite routes into OSM. I will put my personal rides on bikely, and keep adding objective data to OSM. This afternoon I have discovered a cycle planning document from Newcastle City Council

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-23 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Lachlan, On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Lachlan Rogers lach...@rogers.name wrote: I am wanting to scout out optimal on-road routes to connect cycle paths into excellent recreational routes.  For instance the recently opened Fernleigh (Rail trail) Track ends in Belmont, and just a few kms

[talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-22 Thread Lachlan Rogers
I've recently moved back to Lake Macquarie after some years in Canberra, and I'm delighted to find that there are more cycle paths around the central coast and Lake Macquarie than I was previously aware of. Unfortunately many of them are either incomplete or disconnected from each other. I am

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-22 Thread Ian Sergeant
I can see your argument, and no doubt having useful cycle routes available is a good thing. However, I don't think personal ad-hoc cycle routes should be added to OSM. It is a slippery slope, and OSM can't accommodation everyone's ideal connecting route. Instead, I'd add the information (speed

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for unofficial Cycle routes in Lake Macquarie?

2012-04-22 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. I agree with Ian. Routing sites should be able to connect up disconnected SUPs in a sensible manner. As an aside, it would be nice if sites like Bikely supported OSM as a background. - Ben. On Apr 23, 2012 9:07 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: I can see your argument, and