Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-25 Thread Sebastian S.
I think in the US the tiger import used such tags with the aim to remove them once the item has been checked. A massive and still ongoing effort from what I heard. On 20 July 2020 10:17:25 pm AEST, Andrew Harvey wrote: >On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 12:33, David Wales >wrote: > >> Is there any

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-23 Thread Joost Schouppe
Hi, Have you discovered https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_for_Government ? It collects projects where governments seek closer integration with OSM. One in particular comes to mind: "An Open Summer of Code (osoc) project to building a tool to compare and maintain OSM cycle routes

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-21 Thread Greg Dutkowski
Thanks, I'll check it out. Greg Dutkowski +61 0362238495/0408238495 1 Cascade Road, SOUTH HOBART. On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 12:48, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Richard Fairhurst posted something very relavent to this topic at this > https://twitter.com/richardf/status/1285590975511957504 in particular

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-21 Thread Andrew Harvey
Richard Fairhurst posted something very relavent to this topic at this https://twitter.com/richardf/status/1285590975511957504 in particular http://theodi.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-05-Providing-data-to-OpenStreetMap.pdf On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 14:52, Greg Dutkowski wrote: > Hi, >

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au
I think that it is a good summary (disclaimer - I am doing it an extremely tiny scale, with extremely small dataset of points). Exact implementation details depends on what you exactly need - detect deletion in OSM? detect missing data in OSM dataset/foreign dataset? Detect differences that

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
That's exactly how I see it working too. Eventually we could probably put together a document of best practice, suggestions for the workflow as a guide for anyone else looking to set this up. On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 14:04, Andrew Hughes wrote: > Hi All, > > We expect to encounter the same

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-20 Thread Andrew Hughes
Hi All, We expect to encounter the same problem at the NHVR if we begin to use OSM. My (possibly unfounded) initial thoughts are based around linking the OSM & Source feature outside OSM in something similar to a "join" table. The join might be on attribution (id), geometry or both. Then, you

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 12:33, David Wales wrote: > Is there any reason against using a custom tag as a linking key? > > e.g. some_import_object_id=123456 > > Then when you need to update the data, you can match the key in OSM with > the key in the source data. It can be a deterrent to mappers,

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-20 Thread David Wales
I imagine this approach would work better on nodes than on ways. But I imagine that the number of keys with changed nodes would be much fewer than the total number of keys, allowing the unchanged nodes to be easily updated, and reducing the conflation burden. On 20/7/20 5:24 pm, Mateusz Konieczny

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au
(1) pollution of tags by such keys is irritating (2) people may split, move, delete, edit or copy such tag wikidata key is slightly better - but requires wikidata entries Jul 20, 2020, 04:33 by daviewa...@disroot.org: > Is there any reason against using a custom tag as a linking key? > > e.g.

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-19 Thread Greg Dutkowski
Hi, I was thinking of using the ref tag to store the council ID for the object, and then the council could use the OSMID in their database. What I was looking for was tools or approaches for keeping the two in sync. The foreign keys in each system are part of that. The conflation tools Andew

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-19 Thread David Wales
Is there any reason against using a custom tag as a linking key? e.g. some_import_object_id=123456 Then when you need to update the data, you can match the key in OSM with the key in the source data. On 19 July 2020 11:21:04 pm AEST, Andrew Harvey wrote: >On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 22:28, Greg

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-19 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 22:28, Greg Dutkowski wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for everyone's input. > Sebastien best understood what I am trying to do. > It seems inefficient for local government to make their data open and then > hope the OSM community translates it to OSM tagging. > Better for local

[talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-19 Thread Greg Dutkowski
Hi, Thanks for everyone's input. Sebastien best understood what I am trying to do. It seems inefficient for local government to make their data open and then hope the OSM community translates it to OSM tagging. Better for local government to put their data directly into OSM and maintain a two way

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-18 Thread Sebastian Spiess
On 9/7/20 7:52 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au wrote: > > > > Jul 9, 2020, 06:50 by greg.dutkow...@gmail.com: > > Hi, > Bicycle Network Tasmania are trying to improve the quality of > cycling infrastructure information in OSM. > Much has been done by volunteers in various

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au
Jul 9, 2020, 06:50 by greg.dutkow...@gmail.com: > Hi, > Bicycle Network Tasmania are trying to improve the quality of cycling > infrastructure information in OSM. > Much has been done by volunteers in various jurisdictions, and we have done > lots locally, but the tagging is quite complex

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Take a look at... https://opencouncildata.org/ perhaps. There is a mailing list (quiet at the moment); a set of standards for a bunch of open data ( http://standards.opencouncildata.org/); etc. There isn't a specific one for cycling infrastructure; but its a good model they can perhaps follow;

Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-08 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 14:52, Greg Dutkowski wrote: > Hi, > Bicycle Network Tasmania are trying to improve the quality of cycling > infrastructure information in OSM. > Much has been done by volunteers in various jurisdictions, and we have > done lots locally, but the tagging is quite complex for

[talk-au] Working with local government

2020-07-08 Thread Greg Dutkowski
Hi, Bicycle Network Tasmania are trying to improve the quality of cycling infrastructure information in OSM. Much has been done by volunteers in various jurisdictions, and we have done lots locally, but the tagging is quite complex for cycle paths and not always correct. Local councils are