Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-06 Thread Warin
On 6/10/23 14:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Thanks Ian & Steve Looking at the numbers from a Qld perspective, I'd go inbetween the two samples! e.g. Hamlet <250 Village 250-1000 Town 1000-15000 City 15000< Which would produce https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Bup It also becomes obvious that

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Ian & Steve Looking at the numbers from a Qld perspective, I'd go inbetween the two samples! e.g. Hamlet <250 Village 250-1000 Town 1000-15000 City 15000< Which would produce https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Bup It also becomes obvious that there are quite a few places with no population

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-05 Thread stevea
Oops, resending to the talk-au list as a whole: On Oct 5, 2023, at 7:00 PM, Little Maps wrote: > City = > 50,000 people > Town = 5000 - 50,000 > Village = 1000 - 5000 > Hamlet = < 1000 > > This kind of query gives a broad-brush pattern of how we can classify places > into cities, towns etc.

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-05 Thread Little Maps
Hi all, building on Andrew's great work, I've provided an Overpass query below that allows users to change population cutoffs to see how different values affect which places are categorised as cities, towns, villages and hamlets. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Bug (yep, that's the random link

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-05 Thread Little Maps
I agree with others that setting up a long list of services is probably unworkable, and would prefer to focus on population cut offs as the key criterion, with secondary, minor consideration to a very short list of key services. However, can we focus on what the key cut offs are before we

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-05 Thread cleary
Thanks Andrew. You are clearly well-informed on the availability and use of ABS data. Population size correlates fairly closely with the range and level of services that are available in a place. I support using population data to determine city/town/village/hamlet classification. On

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-05 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 5/10/23 18:01, cleary wrote: the small central district? Or is it the much larger Tamworth LGA? I think it would include the suburbs but not the outlying towns/villages in the LGA. There are also city/suburbs such as "City of Ryde" which is the name of a local government area in the Sydney

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-05 Thread cleary
It seems to me that the presence and types of services correlate reasonably closely with population, which is a verifiable number. Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) statistical boundaries approximate but are not exactly the same as state government suburb/locality boundaries but are

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-04 Thread Andrew Davidson
On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 3:50 PM David Bannon wrote: > I'd wonder if we are building an impossible to manage rule set. For example, > many small town doctor's clinic only have a doctor there one or two days a > week. So, a full time doctor is worth 40 points, so, a one day a week one is > 8

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-04 Thread David Bannon
On 5/10/23 14:41, Warin wrote: Community hall, Police, Fire say 10 each Store, fuel, mechanic say 20 each Nurse medical facility, RFDS clinic say 30 Doctors say 40 Hospital say 100 I'd wonder if we are building an impossible to manage rule set. For example, many small town doctor's

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-04 Thread Warin
On 5/10/23 14:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: So coming back to this ... I like the idea of adding "numbers" per extra facility :-) Calling each of them is worth 100, if a place has Police, Fire & Ambos, do they get +300 or just +100? & another "important" thing that I thought of - the

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
So coming back to this ... I like the idea of adding "numbers" per extra facility :-) Calling each of them is worth 100, if a place has Police, Fire & Ambos, do they get +300 or just +100? & another "important" thing that I thought of - the community Hall, home of public meetings, dances etc!

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-03 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 3/10/23 20:40, Warin wrote: The 'government/community services' might be ordered by there total numbers? PO (including local PO agents) Police Doctors (theses seam scarcer than Police?_ Hospitals OK, so there was a maths error in my example. I was suggesting that the population

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-03 Thread Warin
On 3/10/23 19:41, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2/10/23 21:53, Little Maps wrote: As I understand your message, we have and/or can get population data for a small proportion of places in Aus (probably with comprehensive data for most larger places and less data for the many smaller ones). There