[talk-au] Nearmap Sydney area imagery

2010-01-20 Thread John Smith
It looks like Nearmap have started processing imagery from beyond just
the Sydney area down towards Wollongong...

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#Current_coverage

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Re: [talk-au] Nearmap Sydney area imagery

2010-01-20 Thread John Smith
2010/1/20 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
 It looks like Nearmap have started processing imagery from beyond just
 the Sydney area down towards Wollongong...

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#Current_coverage


More imagery seems to be being processed round Geelong area too...

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Re: [talk-au] JOSM on handheld device

2010-01-20 Thread Andy Owen

 Ive tried a few packages such as opencitymap and OSM-tracker, but they
 all seem to have pre-requesites that arent identified on the download
 sites.
 
 I figure I cant be the only person who wants to edit OSM from my GPS
 device, so Im hoping someone might have a few ideas for apps worth a
 play with, before I give up and look at writing my own.

I use osm2go on a nokia n810:

https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osm2go

It is written in C, and it might be a decent starting point. I haven't
poked the code at all to see how portable it is, but it is actively
developed and very usable.

Andy

 
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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
 Has anyone got a better suggestion for showing a boat ramp than
 extending a highway=service out into the water?  The leisure=slipway
 tag is meant to apply to nodes, not ways.

I would suggest tagging the way leisure=slipway. If you need to
break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki
page. Tagging it highway=service seems wrong. Service roads do not
go underwater...

The tagging system is supposed to be flexible and updated to reflect
changing requirements, after all.

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would suggest tagging the way leisure=slipway. If you need to
 break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki
 page.

Yeah, how strange that a slipWAY can supposedly only apply to a NODE.

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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 10:35 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
  Has anyone got a better suggestion for showing a boat ramp than
  extending a highway=service out into the water?  The leisure=slipway
  tag is meant to apply to nodes, not ways.
 
 I would suggest tagging the way leisure=slipway. If you need to
 break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki
 page. Tagging it highway=service seems wrong. Service roads do not
 go underwater.

So, where should it terminate, before the water?  Or at a junction with
the polygon?  Neither of these choices is really suitable, so leading a
way into the water seems the best option to me.

Also, from the wiki for 'service':
Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach,
campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc..

This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or
campsite, why not to a boatramp?

 The tagging system is supposed to be flexible and updated to reflect
 changing requirements, after all.

I thought the tagging system was meant to be consistent, before being
flexible.  If everyone tags boatramps in their own 'flexible' way, how
is any renderer supposed to know what to do, for every possible variant?

I believe it should be discussed in here, and the general consensus
should be applied when tagging, rather than everyone going off with
their own idea.

David


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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread John Henderson
Steve Bennett wrote:

 I would suggest tagging the way leisure=slipway. If you need to
 break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki
 page. Tagging it highway=service seems wrong. Service roads do not
 go underwater...
 
 The tagging system is supposed to be flexible and updated to reflect
 changing requirements, after all.

That was my initial thinking.  When I tagged it like that, it didn't 
render of  course.  And I thought it important for a boat ramp to show up.

If only highway=ford rendered.  But that's not right for a boat ramp 
either.

Do you mean make a note on the Australian Tagging Guidelines and tag the 
way as leisure=slipway?  As a traffic way, it really should have a 
highway=* tag, shouldn't it?

John H

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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/1/21 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
 Also, from the wiki for 'service':
 Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach,
 campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc..

 This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or
 campsite, why not to a boatramp?

A service road can lead to a boat ramp.  But the boat ramp itself is
not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp
starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading.

Don't worry if it doesn't currently render.  Record it in the
database, and then we can hassle the renderers to support it later.

SLH

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Re: [talk-au] Blue?

2010-01-20 Thread Arie Paap
Yes, the background throughout most of metro Perth is blue. At higher
zoom levels any tiles that don't have blue background will become blue
when submitted for rendering (by requesting the tile with /dirty added
to the URL).

From a brief look the coastline appears to be intact and I can't see
any way located on the boundary of the blue background which might be
the cause.

Arie.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote:
 Just wondering if others are seeing blue too?

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.754lon=115.906zoom=11layers=B000FTF

 What I'm seeing is blue, just like the ocean, from just south of Yanchep,
 down to just south of Rockingham, east just past Kalamunda. Maybe it's
 global warming raising the sea level?

 It's also apparent at most zoom levels when zooming in.

 I'd have a go at fixing it, but I'm not sure where to start?

 --
 Andrew Gregory mailto:and...@scss.com.au

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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread John Smith
2010/1/21 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com:
 A service road can lead to a boat ramp.  But the boat ramp itself is
 not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp
 starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading.

Assuming you don't go head over tail on the ramp and do an injury first :)

 Don't worry if it doesn't currently render.  Record it in the
 database, and then we can hassle the renderers to support it later.

The more popular a tag is the more likely it will be to render as well.

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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread John Henderson
Stephen Hope wrote:

 A service road can lead to a boat ramp.  But the boat ramp itself is
 not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp
 starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading.
 
 Don't worry if it doesn't currently render.  Record it in the
 database, and then we can hassle the renderers to support it later.

How about tagging boat ramps as:

highway=service
service=boat_ramp

I think a slipway is different from a boat ramp.  I know a slipway as a
track (perhaps with rollers) for launching boats and for winching them
ashore for repairs.

John H


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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 13:51 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote:
 2010/1/21 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
  Also, from the wiki for 'service':
  Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach,
  campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc..
 
  This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or
  campsite, why not to a boatramp?
 
 A service road can lead to a boat ramp.  But the boat ramp itself is
 not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp
 starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading.
 
 Don't worry if it doesn't currently render.  Record it in the
 database, and then we can hassle the renderers to support it later.

It does currently render in osmarender.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-35.64913lon=150.14393zoom=17layers=0B00FTF
is a couple of boat ramps Ive added near Batemans Bay, NSW as rendered
by osmarender.

David


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Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp

2010-01-20 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 16:53 +1100, John Henderson wrote:

 How about tagging boat ramps as:
 
 highway=service
 service=boat_ramp
 
 I think a slipway is different from a boat ramp.  I know a slipway as a
 track (perhaps with rollers) for launching boats and for winching them
 ashore for repairs.

I think slipway is the British term.  From the leisure=slipway wiki
page:

 A slipway is a ramp into the water for launching a boat. In Australia
 they are referred to as boat ramps. In the US they are often referred
 to as boat landings as well as boat ramps.

 They are typically simply a concrete ramp at the end of an access
 road or track into the water. The boat owner backs a vehicle with a
 boat trailer down the ramp until the trailer is in the water and
 floats the boat off.


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