Re: [talk-au] SA Aquatic Reserves Import

[Andrew Harvey]

Thanks for all the feedback, since this is very small scale and the
feedback so far hasn't highlighted any issues I've done the initial
import.

I've continued to use type=boundary on the relations. I've omitted the
protect_class since it's not in the original data, but followed up
with a post-import edit to make them protect_class=6.

> Some time ago, I raised on the talk-au list  the question of protected areas 
> not being rendered on the map and the outcome was that we would add 
> "leisure=nature_reserve" to all protected areas (whether or not the areas are 
> used for leisure) until such time as the rendering problem is sorted.

That makes sense. The rendering issue looks like it's making progress
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/3509 however
I've added leisure=nature_reserve until then.

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Re: [talk-au] SA Aquatic Reserves Import

[Andrew Davidson]

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:36 PM cleary  wrote:

>
>  I did not see  this data in CAPAD 2016
>

Have a look in the "Marine CAPAD 2016 SA summary" spreadsheet.
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Re: [talk-au] SA Aquatic Reserves Import

[Andrew Davidson]

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:23 PM Lee Mason  wrote:

> But in categories 2-6, it contradicts and lists specific protection titles
> for a protect class.
>
> Sorry, that was me. I added that note to protect_class=1 a number of years
ago but forgot/was too lazy to copy it to the other categories. I've fixed
that now.


> Speaking from a Tasmanian example, Conservation Areas span from IUCN 1a to
> VI. But the vast majority are IV, V or VI.
>
> Yeap, if you look at the talk page you'll find a comment from me making
this same point. That's why a look-up table based on names won't work in
Australia.


> I think type=boundary and boundary=protected_area for the relations.
> Type=multipolygon is more for physical objects such as water, wood, etc.
>
>
> JOSM uses different validation rules if you use type=boundary or
type=multiploygon. So you'll get some non-applicable warnings if you tag a
boundary=* with type=multipolygon.
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Re: [talk-au] SA Aquatic Reserves Import

[cleary]

My comments relate to point 4 (Open Questions):

In other datasets, the IUCN category has been part of the data. After a quick 
search I found that Wikipedia reports West Island Encounter Bay Aquatic Reserve 
to be IUCN category VI and gives CAPAD 2014 (retrieved in 2016) as the source. 
I don't think we can use Wikipedia as data source and I did not see  this data 
in CAPAD 2016 but it may be available elsewhere. SA Government has been very 
helpful to OSM and I'd be surprised if the data were not available somewhere.  
Alternatively, if the areas do not have an IUCN category, the wiki identifies 
"protect_class=7" for nature-feature areas without IUCN level.

In regard to type=boundary or type=multipolygon, I have a strong preference for 
type=boundary.  I have used JOSM to add some data but Potlatch has been easier 
for reviewing/changing/modifying and checking against existing data.  I have 
found type=multipolygon renders relations difficult to edit in Potlatch whereas 
type=boundary is no problem. However others may have had different experiences 
and different editors may be the reason. 

Some time ago, I raised on the talk-au list  the question of protected areas 
not being rendered on the map and the outcome was that we would add 
"leisure=nature_reserve" to all protected areas (whether or not the areas are 
used for leisure) until such time as the rendering problem is sorted. 

Overall, I think this is a good data import. 




On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> I'm proposing to import 5 aquatic reserves in SA as sourced from
> https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/aquatic-reserves
> 
> 1. Licensing
> okay per https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Catalogue
> will add a list to Contributors wiki page as part of the import
> 
> 2. Conflation with existing
> - confirmed manually none of these exist in OSM currently
> - the metadata for this data says that the coastal borders are mean
> high water mark, so these should be glued with the OSM coastline,
> however I'm proposing that be done post-import as a clean up task
> 
> 3. Tagging
> - name is the only tag brought across
> - wikidata/wikpedia tags added manually
> - protection_title=Aquatic Reserve
> - operator_type=government
> - operator=PIRSA Fisheries & Aquaculture
> - boundary=protected_area
> - note=coastline boundaries are Mean High Water Mark from DEWNR, they
> can be glued to the OSM mean high water mark coastline
> 
> 4. Open questions
> - What is the protect_class?
> - is boundary=protected_area enough for the relations, or should it
> have type=boundary or type=multipolygon?
> 
> 5. Import Process
> Open https://tianjara.net/data/osm/imports/sa-aquatic-reserves.osm in
> JOSM and upload
> - done using dedicated import account
> - changeset source tag pointing to
> https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/aquatic-reserves
> - changeset tag pointing to this thread
> 
> /cc Lee and cleary since you worked on the commonwealth level marine
> parks, any feedback on what I've proposed here would be great

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Re: [talk-au] SA Aquatic Reserves Import

[Lee Mason]

>- What is the protect_class?



I’m pretty sure that protect_class is just the IUCN 
classification of 
the protected area, which can roughly be interpreted as the conservation 
significance of the area. At least that is my interpretation from the wiki.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area



The table in the above link is a bit confused in regards to Australia, it 
correctly states in the category 1 column:

“In Australia there is no general relationship between the title given to a 
protected area and its IUCN category. Tagging should be based on data from 
(CAPAD)”



But in categories 2-6, it contradicts and lists specific protection titles for 
a protect class.



Speaking from a Tasmanian example, Conservation Areas span from IUCN 1a to VI. 
But the vast majority are IV, V or VI.



> is boundary=protected_area enough for the relations, or should it
have type=boundary or type=multipolygon?



I think type=boundary and boundary=protected_area for the relations. 
Type=multipolygon is more for physical objects such as water, wood, etc.



Hope that helps.

Lee




From: Andrew Harvey 
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 6:50:49 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List
Cc: Lee Mason; o...@97k.com
Subject: SA Aquatic Reserves Import

I'm proposing to import 5 aquatic reserves in SA as sourced from
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata.sa.gov.au%2Fdata%2Fdataset%2Faquatic-reservesdata=02%7C01%7C%7C94bca20cea9b4262dfc408d658f415a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636794202683220412sdata=Yn4%2FnjNgpkFAw%2FbpeINY9ks%2FQR2liDg5%2BLql%2B9zzTbs%3Dreserved=0

1. Licensing
okay per 
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FAustralian_Data_Cataloguedata=02%7C01%7C%7C94bca20cea9b4262dfc408d658f415a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636794202683220412sdata=wVhUJyyyZA0%2BmVlY95gSpfW%2BYUzRyBTgk%2BfOsQsgP1s%3Dreserved=0
will add a list to Contributors wiki page as part of the import

2. Conflation with existing
- confirmed manually none of these exist in OSM currently
- the metadata for this data says that the coastal borders are mean
high water mark, so these should be glued with the OSM coastline,
however I'm proposing that be done post-import as a clean up task

3. Tagging
- name is the only tag brought across
- wikidata/wikpedia tags added manually
- protection_title=Aquatic Reserve
- operator_type=government
- operator=PIRSA Fisheries & Aquaculture
- boundary=protected_area
- note=coastline boundaries are Mean High Water Mark from DEWNR, they
can be glued to the OSM mean high water mark coastline

4. Open questions
- What is the protect_class?
- is boundary=protected_area enough for the relations, or should it
have type=boundary or type=multipolygon?

5. Import Process
Open 
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftianjara.net%2Fdata%2Fosm%2Fimports%2Fsa-aquatic-reserves.osmdata=02%7C01%7C%7C94bca20cea9b4262dfc408d658f415a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636794202683220412sdata=O%2Fv9%2BWGLMESstEtZ2AtW8X0Myg5eIgMPb5wxqcBYHMk%3Dreserved=0
 in
JOSM and upload
- done using dedicated import account
- changeset source tag pointing to
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata.sa.gov.au%2Fdata%2Fdataset%2Faquatic-reservesdata=02%7C01%7C%7C94bca20cea9b4262dfc408d658f415a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636794202683220412sdata=Yn4%2FnjNgpkFAw%2FbpeINY9ks%2FQR2liDg5%2BLql%2B9zzTbs%3Dreserved=0
- changeset tag pointing to this thread

/cc Lee and cleary since you worked on the commonwealth level marine
parks, any feedback on what I've proposed here would be great
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Re: [talk-au] SA Aquatic Reserves Import

[Andrew Harvey]

https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/marine-park-network-boundaries/resource/db08fa8c-2aaa-4937-9ba1-55a0934c534f
is another dataset we can try to include as it bridges the gaps CAPAD
leaves inside the coastal waters limit.
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 18:50, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
>
> I'm proposing to import 5 aquatic reserves in SA as sourced from
> https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/aquatic-reserves
>
> 1. Licensing
> okay per https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Catalogue
> will add a list to Contributors wiki page as part of the import
>
> 2. Conflation with existing
> - confirmed manually none of these exist in OSM currently
> - the metadata for this data says that the coastal borders are mean
> high water mark, so these should be glued with the OSM coastline,
> however I'm proposing that be done post-import as a clean up task
>
> 3. Tagging
> - name is the only tag brought across
> - wikidata/wikpedia tags added manually
> - protection_title=Aquatic Reserve
> - operator_type=government
> - operator=PIRSA Fisheries & Aquaculture
> - boundary=protected_area
> - note=coastline boundaries are Mean High Water Mark from DEWNR, they
> can be glued to the OSM mean high water mark coastline
>
> 4. Open questions
> - What is the protect_class?
> - is boundary=protected_area enough for the relations, or should it
> have type=boundary or type=multipolygon?
>
> 5. Import Process
> Open https://tianjara.net/data/osm/imports/sa-aquatic-reserves.osm in
> JOSM and upload
> - done using dedicated import account
> - changeset source tag pointing to
> https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/aquatic-reserves
> - changeset tag pointing to this thread
>
> /cc Lee and cleary since you worked on the commonwealth level marine
> parks, any feedback on what I've proposed here would be great

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