Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

[Charles Gregory]

Hi all, I just shared this on the community site so will share here for
completeness:
---
I think it depends on the type of charger. If it’s ABC Service Station or
XYZ Hotel and they have a charger on their site, as an ancillary feature to
their primary business, that they self own and manage, I don’t think it
needs a dedicated name.

If it’s ABC Restaurant and the company who installed/operates the charger
is different, then the name should be included. If it’s a shopping centre
which had many other tenants (all named, of which the charging operator is
another tenant), or just an unnamed car park in a town (where the charging
station is the only named feature), then the charger name is even more
relevant.

The apps for the various charging networks all list a name for each of
their sites, so there is a canonical name which can be used.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:09 PM Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Sebastian,
>
>
>
> I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be
> made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?
>
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name
>
>
>
> Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other
> networks? This usually goes in the ref key.
>
>
>
> I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the
> carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for
> labelling charging stations in that map instance.
>
>
>
> Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.
>
>
>
> Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well
>
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565
>
>
>
> Cheers – Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* Sebastian S. 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt ;
> 'Warin' <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.
>
> I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla
> has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla
> Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'.
> For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is one of my
> key reasons to have the name tag, full length.
>
> Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current
> or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the
> are or will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.
>
> But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is
> ' Woolworths Dee Why '
>
> Seb
>
> On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Warin,
>
>
>
> Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions
> or operators/networks and locations
>
>
>
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:
>
> My thoughts:
>
>
>
> I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing
> definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially
> if 50% have a name.
>
>
>
> "Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And
> there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like
> tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'.
>
> The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that
> way OSM looses no information.
>
> Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*.
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Ben.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some
> 'name'.
>
>
>
> Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc
> (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets
> rendered on the map.
>
>
>
> Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are
> lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the
> correct tags.
>
>
>
> (I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)
>
>
>
> [Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
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[talk-au] ABC article - Google Maps in Eromanga

[Charles Gregory]

I notice this article:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-14/google-maps-outback-queensland-street-view-inaccurate/100065310

A good opportunity to make sure the town is 100% accurate (and detailed) in
OSM.

Assuming we can locate some appropriately licensed sources of course - it's
a bit of a trek to get there in person.

Regards,
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Re: [talk-au] Uncredited use of OSM map

[Charles Gregory]

Great work Phil!  I wasn't sure if it was worth the effort.. clearly it was
:)

Good to see they are using OSM instead of Google Maps in any case!

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:43 AM Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Looks like the old links are dead but all have been corrected
>
>
>
>
> https://www.justice.tas.gov.au/strategic-infrastructure-projects/new-northern-prison#New-site-location
>
>
> https://www.justice.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0003/544584/DJustice-prison-map.png
>
>
> https://www.justice.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/571540/Flat-Map-Deloraine-to-Westbury.pdf
>
>
>
> *From:* Ewen Hill 
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 June 2020 6:55 PM
> *To:* Phil Wyatt 
> *Cc:* Charles Gregory ; talk-au 
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Uncredited use of OSM map
>
>
>
> Top work Charles and Phil. Keeping 'em honest.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, 5:47 PM Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
> I have sent an appropriate message to the agency and the appropriate
> Government Minister and requested an update to the website and map with the
> correct attribution.
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* Charles Gregory 
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 June 2020 5:13 PM
> *To:* talk-au 
> *Subject:* [talk-au] Uncredited use of OSM map
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> The map rendering used by the Tasmanian Government in a recent
> announcement about a new prison site in Northern Tasmania looked familiar..
>
>
> https://www.justice.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/571540/Northern-Regional-Prison-map.pdf
>
>
>
> Compared to OSM, there are some features missing, some other features are
> rendered differently.  It could well be a different site/source with
> similar rendering:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/-41.5123/146.7475
>
>
>
> (Screenshots of both: https://imgur.com/a/7EE2GXV)
>
>
>
> Just sharing for interest's sake - not sure if it is worth following up
> on, or making a big deal about?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Charles
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[talk-au] Uncredited use of OSM map

[Charles Gregory]

Hi all,

The map rendering used by the Tasmanian Government in a recent announcement
about a new prison site in Northern Tasmania looked familiar..
https://www.justice.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/571540/Northern-Regional-Prison-map.pdf

Compared to OSM, there are some features missing, some other features are
rendered differently.  It could well be a different site/source with
similar rendering:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/-41.5123/146.7475

(Screenshots of both: https://imgur.com/a/7EE2GXV)

Just sharing for interest's sake - not sure if it is worth following up on,
or making a big deal about?

Regards,
Charles
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Re: [talk-au] Caltex on name-suggestion-index

[Charles Gregory]

Thanks Alex and Ian,

So it seems there are plenty of standard Caltex service stations in
Australia - any advice on how to stop entries labelled "Caltex" from auto
resolving to a "Woolworths Petrol" location when "update these tags" is
used?

Just changed the "brand" on the second entry in my original post from
"Caltex" to "Caltex Woolworths"?

I could play about of course, but I don't want to break things!

Regards,
Charles



On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 3:42 PM Ian Sergeant  wrote:

> Strictly speaking, I don't think that's true.  Some Caltex operated sites
> still branded as Woolworths Caltex, and offered the Woolworths facilities.
> You couldn't tell just by looking who owned what.
>
> Of course, now Woolworths has sold all its fuel outlets, and doesn't
> operate as a fuel retailer any longer.
>
> I'd go by the name on the sign - as these are likely to change over the
> past few months as the Caltex owned stores all revert to form.
>
> Ian.
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 14:51, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:55 PM Charles Gregory 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are "Caltex" and "Caltex Woolworths" identical in some parts of
>>> Australia?
>>>
>>> "What is the difference between [the 535] Woolworths Caltex and [the
>> 680] Caltex locations?
>> Woolworths Caltex is a Woolworths owned fuel location, that sells Caltex
>> fuel. The shop at a Woolworths Caltex is a Woolworths store.
>> The shop at a Caltex location can be a Star Mart, Star Shop or The
>> Foodary."
>> https://www.caltex.com.au/woolworths
>>
>> The map on their website makes a distinction between the two when you
>> click on it https://www.caltex.com.au/find-a-caltex
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[talk-au] Caltex on name-suggestion-index

[Charles Gregory]

Are "Caltex" and "Caltex Woolworths" identical in some parts of Australia?

I'm asking because I'm matching a few brands of local chains on OSM, and
notice that Caltex entries default to Woolworths Petrol.

The NSI info seems to have both using "brand=Caltex" but the Woolworths
ones take priority in Australia:

http://osmlab.github.io/name-suggestion-index/brands/amenity/fuel.html

"amenity/fuel|Caltex": {
"tags": {
"amenity": "fuel",
"brand": "Caltex",
"brand:wikidata": "Q277470",
"brand:wikipedia": "en:Caltex",
"name": "Caltex"
}
},

"amenity/fuel|Woolworths Petrol": {
"countryCodes": ["au"],
"nomatch": [
"shop/convenience|Woolworths Petrol"
],
"tags": {
"amenity": "fuel",
"brand": "Caltex",
"brand:wikidata": "Q5023980",
"brand:wikipedia": "en:Caltex Woolworths",
"name": "Woolworths Petrol"
}
},

I'm thinking it might be a local idiosyncrasy - there are a range of Caltex
stations near me in southern Tasmania - some are owned/co-branded under a
local company (Bennetts Petroleum), some are Caltex Woolworths branded, and
there may be others which are neither.

Any input welcome!

Charles
(user:chuq on OSM)
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Re: [talk-au] Couchsurfing

[Charles Gregory]

That doesn't sound like something that should be tagged.  There is no
reason for it to be on the map, and is probably an invasion of privacy to
do so.  Couchsurfing is pre-arranged - it's not just a public list of
addresses where you can walk up and knock on the door.

Regards,
Charles


On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:26 AM,  wrote:

> Hi
> What's the best tagging for couchsurfing?
> eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5447891722
> Tony
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Re: [talk-au] OSM representative in Australia

[Charles Gregory]

Hi all - no volunteers with this one?


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Charles Gregory c...@chuq.net wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I've been asked by a friend who works at a cultural institution in
 Canberra - is there a person in Australia who can represent the OSM
 community at an event later this year, preferably someone in Canberra or
 who can travel there easily?

 The ideal person would be someone who can communicate about OSM well with
 people from outside the community; possibly some public speaking, and/or
 participation on a panel.  If there are enough people interested they could
 assist with a mapping party or training day.

 Simon Poole - is this something you would have time for?

 Regards,

 Charles






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[talk-au] OSM representative in Australia

[Charles Gregory]

Hi everyone,

I've been asked by a friend who works at a cultural institution in Canberra
- is there a person in Australia who can represent the OSM community at
an event later this year, preferably someone in Canberra or who can travel
there easily?

The ideal person would be someone who can communicate about OSM well with
people from outside the community; possibly some public speaking, and/or
participation on a panel.  If there are enough people interested they could
assist with a mapping party or training day.

Simon Poole - is this something you would have time for?

Regards,

Charles
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[talk-au] Fwd: [Osmf-talk] State of the Map 2013 - Call for Venues

[Charles Gregory]

Hi everyone,

I've only been on this list for a short time - is there any city in
Australia with a large enough active userbase to submit a bid?

Regards,

Charles

-- Forwarded message --
From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
Date: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:14 AM
Subject: [Osmf-talk] State of the Map 2013 - Call for Venues
To: t...@openstreetmap.org, osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org


Hi all,

The State of the Map 2013 call for venues is out:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2013/**Call_for_venueshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2013/Call_for_venues

Looking forward to seeing the bids. Please do forward this to/translate for
your local country lists.

cheers
Richard

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Re: [talk-au] Few questions about tagging ways in Australia

[Charles Gregory]

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:

 I shouldn't have started this discussion - sorry. Suffice to say:

 1) OSM policy is not to copy street names from any other source other
 than appropriately licensed ones, or from physical street signs.
 2) IMHO, this particular aspect of OSM policy is IMHO excessively
 conservative with regards to actual copyright law. IMHO.


Just to play devil's advocate:

What if someone used Google Street View?

Regards,

Charles
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[talk-au] Tasmanian transmission line import

[Charles Gregory]

Hi everyone,

I've received a KML of all of Tasmania's high voltage transmission lines
from a representative of Transend Networks, with no restrictions on their
usage, so I am free to upload these into OSM.

At the moment in OSM, some lines already exist and include towers (sourced
from bing imagery), some only have towers (most likely due to redaction),
and some lines are not marked at all.

The KML file includes only lines - not towers - they have a license for the
tower information - while it costs nothing, it can not be re-distributed.

I could
1) Delete the existing data and replace with 100% official data, but then
the tower information would be lost.
2) Only replace the missing lines, but then there would be inconsistencies
(some with towers, some without).

What is the preferred option?   I'm tending to go with the second option,
since from a brief inspection, the existing OSM ways are pretty accurate
when compared with the official data.  So long as the sources for each line
are accurate it shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Regards,

Charles Gregory
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Re: [talk-au] Tasmanian transmission line import

[Charles Gregory]

No problem.  At the moment the test line I have added is tagged:

power=line
name=Lindisfarne-Sorell
voltage=11
operator=Transend Networks
source=Transend Networks

Regards,

Charles

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Oh okay.  If you are just using the KML as a background image, and
 copy/pasting segments after reviewing them in OSM then personally,  I
 don't see any issues at all.  I was just worried we were going to have
 an extra ton of fixme data, when we probably have enough to fix
 right now.

 Probably still a good idea to put the permission to use statement on
 the wiki (for future mappers to understand), and use a consistent
 source= so people understand where they came from.

 Thanks,
 Ian.

 On 4 September 2012 13:26, Charles Gregory osm.li...@chuq.net wrote:
  Hi Ian,
 
  Regarding the imports process, this wouldn't be a bulk automated import -
  rather, me loading the KML as a background image, then selecting
 individual
  ways and converting them to the appropriate type.  There are less than 60
  separate lines in the state (and many are already in OSM) so it wouldn't
  take me that long.  Does that still need to go through the process?
 
  Regarding getting the license information in writing, that is one thing I
  hadn't considered, I will ask my contact for details on this.
 
  Happy to leave it for a while - although I thought I saw a notice
 recently
  that all redaction related changes were now complete?
 
  Regards,
 
  Charles
 
  On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  This needs to go through imports process (the imports list, and the
  imports on the wiki).  We need to document the licence stuff so there
  are no problems later.
 
  Personally, I'd be inclined to sit on this for a month or two, until
  we are recovered from more of the redaction issues.  Adding wires
  seems a bit like icing the cake when the sponge isn't set.
 
  And yes, the second would be my preferred option, too, but make the
  data available for people who want to merge.
 
  Ian.
 
  On 3 September 2012 21:25, Charles Gregory osm.li...@chuq.net wrote:
   Hi everyone,
  
   I've received a KML of all of Tasmania's high voltage transmission
 lines
   from a representative of Transend Networks, with no restrictions on
   their
   usage, so I am free to upload these into OSM.
  
   At the moment in OSM, some lines already exist and include towers
   (sourced
   from bing imagery), some only have towers (most likely due to
   redaction),
   and some lines are not marked at all.
  
   The KML file includes only lines - not towers - they have a license
 for
   the
   tower information - while it costs nothing, it can not be
   re-distributed.
  
   I could
   1) Delete the existing data and replace with 100% official data, but
   then
   the tower information would be lost.
   2) Only replace the missing lines, but then there would be
   inconsistencies
   (some with towers, some without).
  
   What is the preferred option?   I'm tending to go with the second
   option,
   since from a brief inspection, the existing OSM ways are pretty
 accurate
   when compared with the official data.  So long as the sources for each
   line
   are accurate it shouldn't be too much of an issue.
  
   Regards,
  
   Charles Gregory
  
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[talk-au] Redaction progress

[Charles Gregory]

(apologies for the formatting - below is quoted from the mailing list web
archive.)

Hi everyone,

I'm a long time contributor but this is my first post to this list.

Neal, don't be discouraged!

I've already restored a significant amount of street data to Hobart in a
team of a few others (combined we have done about 1/3 of the city total):

http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/33  (thanks Simon Poole for this site)

I don't expect it will take too long, especially with 1-2 more people
helping!

Regards,

Charles


Hobart has been decimated.

 It feels like vandalism to lose so much data.

 I allowed my edits to be preserved but as stated earlier I will not keep
 contributing - I can't find the incentive after so much effort was simply
 tossed out.

 Regards,
 Neal

  Mapper since: 12 September 2007 at 04:13 (almost 5 years ago)

 - Original Message -

  From: Michael Hampson mhampson at fastmail.com.au
  To: Liz edodd at billiau.net, talk-au at openstreetmap.org
  Sent: Thursday, 19 July, 2012 11:23:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [talk-au] Redaction progress

  It's a shame to lose so much data, but I've learnt that things are
  often done better the second time around. We'll be back on our feet
  in no time.

  Maybe we'll get those pesky roundabouts right. :)

  Regards,

  Michael
  On 19/07/2012 10:28 PM, Liz wrote:

   On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:22:37 +1000
 
   Michael Hampson wrote:
 
Looks like we lost Botany Bay!! Who's good at fix that?
   
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.9929lon=151.1838zoom=13layers=M
Regards,
  
 

Michael
  
 
   I think you will see far more gone as the night progresses.
 
   More reassuring to watch le Tour de France.
 
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