On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Franc Carter wrote:
There was a discussion on talk-au some months ago about the use of
mini_rounabout in
Australia. From memory the informal otcome of this was that mini_roundabout
coud be used
for a roundabout that would fit inside the width of a residential road.
I
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Mike R wrote:
Liz
Railway St is in the list but Bales Av is not !
Mike
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Looked at another source yesterday - our work database of names and addresses.
Quite a large number of names and addresses - between 33K and 35K I'd
as my vmware is broken after an interesting computer problem
can anyone tell me the correct command to extract a track from a garmin device
on /dev/ttyS0
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
I'd love to survey Serviceton but it is a bit out of the way for me.
Your tracks and mine often cross.
That road between sa and vic I haven't yet taken, so it can join the list for
when I'm going further south into SA.
Liz
online
The above and a GPS with tracks - upload your tracks to the server, but I
think you need JOSM to use them
there are alternate editing programs, I haven't managed to get them to compile
for my use. Without a java overhead they may be more usable on older
hardware.
Liz
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Stuart Robinson wrote:
Links are by default oneway, I think that's what the other person is
getting at.
stuart.
so the use of secondary_link was possibly a shorthand to avoid oneway=true ??
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Liz wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Mike R wrote:
. . . . . Mid Western Hwy and Rankins Springs Rd are also listed :-)
Mike
I've emailed the council for advice.
Its the sort of place which may provide access to their GIS for our use (to
make sure they aren't
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Brent Easton wrote:
Hope this makes sense! Feel free to ask questions.
so that explains why there are gaps on some major highways at z8
i'll make a point of exploring the captionless layer in future.
LIz
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On Sun, 25 May 2008, Andy Zivkovic wrote:
The road's pretty steep and I wouldn't be comfortable changing tyres
anywhere other than a very level area, so I drove home since it wasn't
far, but the sounds coming from the wheel weren't pleasant. It doesn't
look like anything was damaged, so I'm
On Mon, 26 May 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote:
2. Look at the audio recording stuff in JOSM. Crank up your recording mp3
player, and just say the street names (spelling if required) as you pass
them. JOSM lets you forward your GPS trace to see what you said at certain
points. See the wiki.
the
On Wed, 28 May 2008, Ben Kelley wrote:
I managed a nice scape down the side of my Subaru (through to the metal)
when not taking enough care turning around when the track became impassable
right about here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.38987lon=148.65745zoom=16layers=B0
0FF
I backed
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Darrin Smith wrote:
It's tragic to see that as usual with most of the people who dive in
they haven't actually checked out the AU or SA wiki which make it
pretty clear what should be primary roads in rural areas and have gone
primary crazy...
I did the B23, and if I didnt
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, 80n wrote:
I'm not saying that Yahoo tracers should not do roads, but please do lakes
and buildings and stuff first. Give the GPS guys a chance to do the roads.
It's a big planet we are not going to run out of unmapped space any time
soon.
80n
This weekend I'm going to
everything to the mailing list, tell forum likers to use
nabble or gmane and have just two input points - the forum and the wiki.
Liz
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Luke Woolley wrote:
'professional' usability expert from outside to volunteer to take a
look at the project. Does anyone know one? More specifically about
the mailing lists: does anyone know a tool that: * is an online forum,
with threads and whatever 'forum people'
to state that we meet here, and giving the gmane
archive of the list as the contact for those who would like forum method.
No, we can't yet integrate the blogs and private messages.
Liz
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Luke Woolley wrote:
OK, I have switched from my Hotmail to my Gmail as well as changing my
format from HTML to just plain text. Hopefully this will fix my
problems but I do think it is funny I am creating a reason against the
mailing list without even realising it. But
)
:-))
I've had my first play with osm maps on the Neo Freerunner too.
Liz
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
Ok - Found it and Fixed it.
At Bulahdelah the transition to dual lane was disconnected and both lanes
were southbound right up to Possum Brush. Then there were more problem up
near Taree.
Fortunately there were just enough GPS tracks to connect the
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Liz wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
Ok - Found it and Fixed it.
At Bulahdelah the transition to dual lane was disconnected and both lanes
were southbound right up to Possum Brush. Then there were more problem up
near Taree.
Fortunately there were
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Peter Ross wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Nick Hocking [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I've now got Gosmore running well on a couple of Mios (WM5 and WM6) and
the radomir routable osm maps running on Garmin (with TTS)
I can't find any information about radomir.
it
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Proposed_features/highway:quaternary
We'd better put a few word in here about how Oz-OSM thinks about quaternary.
Despite my massive tertiary education I reckon that quaternary is not a useful
word for this.
If I had to rename unclassified roads
the author of them explain for me?
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Stephen Hope wrote:
Yeah - look to see if they have a notes tag.
Are these the Yahoo coverage boxes you are talking about? I noticed the
one for Adelaide appeared a few months ago and confused me until I
realised that's what it was for.
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well what use is it on a
sadly the image is too big to go as an attachment
the images are on my server
this is 110MB of Australia.osm in josm
took about 20 min and all my RAM and swap to get this to display
http://billiau.net/~liz/Screenshot.png
and the compressed version at http://billiau.net/~liz/Screenshot.jpg
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Matt White wrote:
That's pretty cool. But what's New Caledonia doing just off the coast of
Rockhampton? Did someone tow it a little closer to make for cheaper
flights there?
Matt
didn't you notice that Australia itself has moved to the south of the
continent?
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Greg Harper wrote:
Those boxes as Matt said are probably the Yahoo coverage extents (see the
notes tag). They should only appear during editing and shouldn't render,
unless they are something else.
Cheers,
Greg
But they do in other applications
a routing application can
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
What is the best method of tagging these and if I use methods 1 or 2 (as I
have been doing) should I also add a street relation to tie up the two ways
into one entity (also with the same name).
I haven't worked out to make relations in JOSM - can
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
Sorry 'bout the formatting (looked ok on my screen).
It doesnt make much sense now - damm.
I'll try anyway. there's a No Left Turn in the metropolis of Binalong -
important for routing because it keeps traffic on the main road.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
Talking of accuracy - I mapped two streets in Yass and I think that I've
got one of them wrong. I must have either misread the street sign or I have
made a typo whilst editing. Does anyone have authoritave information (from
a non copyrighted source) of
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
I'm interested to see where that No left turn in Binalong is. After some
horrible experiences with Teleatlas maps in the US (and Sensis here), to do
with one way streets and missing turn restictions, I have multiple bees in
my bonnet about accurately
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
We haven't got the first road named yet, the turn is into Monteagle
Street.
Ahh - yes I remember. And I think there may be another turn restriction
in the same area (maybe a no right turn from Monteagle)
I couldn't find any street signs till I got
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
I photographed the map in the park (on a big resolution).
That road could be Manning Street.
10 days and I can check them again
The RC church could be on that road or on Sykes Road - finding the address in
the phone book I would regard as confirmatory
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
In Tathra I missed mapping one street (probably called Esther Street). The
GSV actually is readable for this street but I won't name any street
unless I've read the sign and uploaded a public GPS track for it. I'll get
it in November.
I'm now
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
Well I'll be dammed, I've driven past John Gilberts Grave so many time on
my trips to/from Adelaide and never knew it was there.
Actually I'd never heard of John Gilbert either. Next time this is a must
stop and read event - Thanks Liz
That's one
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
I photographed the map in the park (on a big resolution).
That road could be Manning Street.
I searched today until I found a sign Manning Street. If that failed I was
going to see the lady at the post office to ask her {ref=local_knowledge}.
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Stephen Hope wrote:
I can't make it, unfortunately. I have a previous engagement.
Ditto
Well actually, Kangaroo Island won, and that's where I'll be
I'd be pleased to meet some osm'ers one day
LIz
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Kim Hawtin wrote:
Hugh Barnes wrote:
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:03:34 Thomas Schröder wrote:
Even better — and this is my ulterior motive — come along to the Brisbane
mapping party/marathon next week in New Farm and I'll walk you through
it, literally:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Liz wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Kim Hawtin wrote:
Hugh Barnes wrote:
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:03:34 Thomas Schröder wrote:
Even better — and this is my ulterior motive — come along to the
Brisbane mapping party/marathon next week in New Farm and I'll walk you
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Franc Carter wrote:
The site said that it was UK only - has this changed ?
cheers
It works fine for Au.
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Diego Molla wrote:
[Some time ago I sent a similar email from a different email address
and I think it never made it to the group]
In a recent trip I was comparing Shonkymaps and OSM on my Garmin GPSr
and I saw that Shonkymaps displays a floating icon with the road
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. A normal suburban roundabout should just be a circle (I use 8 corners)
with the 4 ways connected. Merkaartor has a roundabout tool where you click
a crossing, select the diameter of the roundabout and it creates a circle
with the ways cropped off
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
sample of highway markers - Mildura
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.1939lon=142.1734zoom=12layers=B000
FTF sample of highway markers - Renmark
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.2052lon=140.7778zoom=12layers=B000
FTF sample of highway markers
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Darrin Smith wrote:
But not all sections of the road in one state have the same code (Sturt
Highway being exactly the case in point, it is NOT National A20 for the
last ~5km between Gepps Cross and Pooraka. I don't know about the case
around Mildura so I can't comment
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Darrin Smith wrote:
Of course, if it's a newer edit, especially if it's a change from the
correct data, string 'em up
that's what it is, because I did a lot of Hay in May
Or was that made Hay in May?
Liz
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Darrin Smith wrote:
so I have some
hope that sometime in the future the route system will be pretty
consistent.
there are drugs for people like you with delusions
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts
I've put up here some pictures of Australian roundabouts. I checked more than
one source for information on mini_roundabout and found no consensus. German
precision was noted on wikipedia, but the writer had left some potential
sizes out of the
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Jim Croft wrote:
How about this?
http://www.gisca.adelaide.edu.au/web_aria/aria/aria.html
a remoteness index for Australia
http://www.gisca.adelaide.edu.au/products_services/ariav2_about.html
You could invent a 'townyness' metric based on the product of the
variables of
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Janet Hawtin wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia
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A useful list indeed.
Is that Kim in disguise? or
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Matt White wrote:
So, if you've got either Naracoorte traces, or local Naracoorte
knowledge in terms of streetnames etc, I'd really appreciate some help :-)
Sorry Matt, visited there a coupla years ago, before I started with OSM.
So all I have now is commercial maps and no
Putting in a few POIs and not sure about one - I can't be sure which side of
the road (Old Kapunda road) the TAFE is on from my photo.
Someone who knows - could you check whether it is south of north of the road?
(Perhaps its really big and on both sides?)
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Darrin Smith wrote:
The other core idea that you can't
drive straight across the junction or pull a standard right turn any
more is broken however if you use a mini.
Darrin, where does this *core* idea come from?
I had not seen it until you mentioned it.
Starting again about *round*abouts
The renderers accept two methods of drawing a *round*about.
There is a quick and easy method ideal for where two simple ways cross.
Somebody has decided that this is called a mini-roundabout, and honestly I
don't think that this item actually exists in
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Darrin Smith wrote:
You are still equating mini_roundabouts and roundabouts as exactly the
same thing. Minis were defined as a very specific subset of roundabout
which all the pages YOU provided say are small roundabouts that can be
completely driven over. I notice you
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote:
I plan on submitting a proposal for the roundabout tag, where you
can add it to a node like a mini_roundabout, for use in simple
suburban type roundabouts. Something like junction:
inner_width=3mcould specify the island size, making it possible for
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Andrew Laughton wrote:
Hi All
This might be just a survey with long gaps between points, but my
Whereis based GPS also has the same road layout.
I am a little worried that someone has copied another map, complete with
faults. Look at my trace relative to what the road is
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote:
(Although I think
people arguing against overloading tags have a bigger campaign on their
hands than just mini-roundabouts.)
The highway reference tag has two things in the one tag - the highway type
and the highway number.
Then the double naming of
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Matt White wrote:
How are people mapping National Park (or state forest or other
government mandated areas)? It seems that in a lot of cases, there is no
way of actually doing an on the ground survey - a lot of the boundaries
aren't marked, the areas can be massively
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote:
It says that normal pedestrian islands aren't meant to be drawn as two
separate ways (flares). I
the pedestrian islands are *splitter islands*
just being pedantic
the flare is used to describe the flared direction of the incoming traffic
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote:
The primary questions here is:
Should a suburban roundabout be mapped as a node or as a loop?
My position is a node for three reasons..
or something like a josm plugin which would turn a node into a little way with
4 nodes, on demand?
+ When you
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
Could someone with personal knowledge of this intersection please map it,
even if is just to save me a 6 hour return trip just
to map one smallish bridge :-)
I think that we can get there on route to somewhere else - just took some
variations on last
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Nick Hocking wrote:
Thanks Darrin, that worked perfectly.
Now can you tell ne how to convert that mini roundabout into a normal one
without destroying both parks first.
Since the mini node is part of both parks I would have to leave it there
and build a normal
the source of the data who knows whether it
should be corrected or not?
There is a substantial amount of data with no source tag. I'd really like to
know whether it was traced or surveyed, because then I'd know whether to go
down that street or not.
Liz
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
My thoughts on this is if it's not tagged then it's not surveyed.
Cheers
Ross
Initially I didn't tag my surveyed stuff as source=survey
There is just so much to learn about what really needs to be recorded, and I
once thought that unmarked stuff
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Nick Hocking wrote:
Eventually someone may use these traces without knowing if I was actually
driving on the road the whole time.
Or carried the gps with you on a side trek into the bushes for nature's
call :-)
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Cameron wrote:
I have recently been into the SA state library and found an out of
copyright SA street directory (from the 40s.) They had both Fuller's and
Gregory's directories but the Gregory's were far easier to read and thus,
to copy.
Important matter on copyright
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, BlueMM wrote:
Apparently there was a big push for unification of suburb postcode
boundaries a few years back by the governmental spatial agencies. I believe
it hasn't been completed, parts of NT didn't correspond.
we have one postcode here for many places - 8 distinct
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Well not really
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On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Sarah Manley wrote:
Dear All,
I recently received this message, and was curious is anyone is already
involved or planning to be? I am based out of SF, and would be willing
to help from a distance.
Best,
Sarah
To save others having to use a popular web search engine
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Australia was changed by a bot
to a new format for the map. It broke, and I have edited it to have the map
show again.
Just check any wiki pages you may have put a map onto in case they were broken
too.
Liz
boundaries are not right and I can't find any division
between postcode 2680 and 2681. I don't know where the line is either, and
probably not many people do know, as we don't have postal delivery and it
isn't of practical importance.
LIz
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Fake SteveC announced OSMF CEO
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Nick Hocking wrote:
2) If a suburb follows a road or river should part of the boundary way be
deleted and replaced with that part of the road or river.
3) How can we determine if a boundary follows the centre of the road/river
or maybe one or other sides of it.
I've just
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Gordon Smith wrote:
So, dear list members, what pronouncement have I missed? What has
been updated or changed that I don't yet know about?
No idea either, but I have new JOSM and new plugins this week (could have been
available earlier) and Validator can be customised in
located another name for the Cudal Canowindra Road, and have
emailed the council for a definitive answer.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.3973lon=148.7264zoom=12layers=B000FTF
Liz
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Nick Hocking wrote:
Please, guys, don't copy road names from anywhere.
I'll second third and fourth that. There are Easter eggs everywhere. A
quick visual check of different copyrighted maps quickly shows the
presence of these. A town or suburb usually has at least one.
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
I'm currently wrestling with trying to get a handle on how we can tell
whether the ABS data is more geographically
accurate than yahoo or other data (not necessairly whether it is an accuate
reflection of the boundaries)
So, yes - thoughts please
ABS
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I've added three new members and some renewals tonight and our current
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Darrin Smith wrote:
Know that feeling, I have several days of Easter holiday traces to go
in also. *twiddles*thumbs*
we were just catching up from December in our house, now the days are shorter,
and have stuff waiting for upload
more thumb twiddling
collected at the motel calls it Benetook Avenue.
I'm sure that the mapper , who I have identified, will have some evidence,
like a geo-tagged photo, to post a link to, so that they can justify the name
change (NOT)
Please guys, stop copying Google Maps
Especially when you are copying rubbish.
Liz
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Matt White wrote:
I've created my first set of routable OSM maps for Garmin devices. For
those of you with such a device, have a go at downloading the IMG files
and see how the routing works.
The routing is fairly new for the mkgmap application, and will probably
improve
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Liz wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
I'm currently wrestling with trying to get a handle on how we can tell
whether the ABS data is more geographically
accurate than yahoo or other data (not necessairly whether it is an
accuate reflection
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
Hmm, one thing that I forgot to check is the number of nodes in the ways
- I seem to remember that 0.6 was going to introduce a limit on this . .
. .
cheers
The limit is 2000, and the involved way
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Liz wrote:
1433 nodes
split it into 600+ and 700+, still couldn't upload the change.
I wait on the bug report - someone has another problem with relations and
they may be related problems
Merkaartor let me bypass the problem
and split the way
however, now one length has
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Darrin Smith wrote:
I'm working on 2 relations like this on KI that sound like they are
having the same kind of issue. ANY edit of any form to the relation
would cause an error - EXCEPT deleting I eventually tried on one of
them. So I've just kept a copy of all the details
On Fri, 1 May 2009, mattwh...@iinet.net.au wrote:
While this may not change to much in AU for OSM, it's still an interesting
ruling - particuarly the possible future review of the Telstra v Desktop
Marketing decision.
IceTV won their appeal against Channel 9 over the reuse of 9's TV guide.
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Photographers_face_wider_anti_terror_curbs_news_281398.html
From a UK site, where they are reporting on training civilians to keep a watch
on
'hostile reconnaissance'. This urges people to look out for 'overt/covert
photography' as well as those in
On Wed, 20 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
I tried JOSM briefly the other day but the entire background was black and
made it harder to use than potlatch.
All of that is completely configurable - all the colours can be changed and a
heap of other stuff.
Potlatch makes it hard to do some things
On Fri, 22 May 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote:
and no, we don't have mini-roundabouts in australia, they are all
roundabouts.
Agree totally Liz but I did find one that matched the description in the
wiki.
did it have a blue sign with white circulating arrows?
(rhetorical question
On Mon, 25 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Wikipedia has 2 distinct entries, a ford is something close to the usual
concrete slab I'm thinking/refering to, the US version of a causeway looks
like a built up piece of land acting like a low bridge, although they do
seem to have a Western
On Mon, 25 May 2009, Mark Pulley wrote:
Wikipedia also has
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_water_crossing - this is what I have
been thinking of as 'causeway'.
Do we need a new setting highway=low_water_crossing ?
ford should do that OK.
We have an interesting language problem in
- if
the creek had water it would be wet??
Liz
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On Wed, 27 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Thanks for the tips that everyone replied with, will give me something to
swat up on.
I've looked through a few devices on ebay but while they logged a large
number of points, some had a 5 second refresh which is a little too high, 1
second per point
On Sat, 30 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
It's fairly blank at present in most rural areas I've seen, there is the
odd town mapped out and I've been helping where I can, but in my opinion
it's much more important getting the street/road data before anything else
will really matter.
We started
600km
to cover 4 different towns, concentrating on town roads and names, then points
of interest.
It is raining :-) cold and bleak and not really bicycle weather this long
weekend
Liz
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Nick Hocking wrote:
I'll be conducting a one man, mini mapping frenzy, around the Hervey Bay
area, whilst trying to avoid
1) Swine Flu
2) Dengue Fever
3) Getting drowned by the floods
hell, it's getting really hard to take a holiday these days
I've got a new
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Obtaining_old_maps
this page has been marked by someone from the phillipines as being out of
date
Three links for NSW Dept of Lands stuff are now broken. Can anyone find better
links and put them in
However, i think that
This article or section contains
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
I've come to the realisation that every road (and
everything that was placed in reference to the roads) in the
suburb where I live is out by about 8-10m. Much of
Brisbane's road system seems to have been traced off the
Yahoo imagery, apparently
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Does anyone know the exact latitude of the SA/Vic border?
I've only seen rough estimates of 3.6km west of 141 degrees east.
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