Re: [talk-au] Recommended CB radio channel for road

[Stephen Backway]

More legible map of the repeaters (again for illustrative purposes only):

https://southaustralia.com/media/tetlvg10/5505_4wd_tart_new-brochure.pdf

 

 
 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:45 PM
From: "Stephen Backway" 
To: "Graeme Fitzpatrick" 
Cc: "OSM Australian Talk List" 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Recommended CB radio channel for road



I wonder if this could be expanded to also capture the relevant emergency use channel for the area.

 

The use case in mind, is in relation to the pastoral leases, in outback SA, operate repeaters for their own use, but are also there for emergency use.

See page 9-12 of this PDF (noting that this is just provided for illustrative purposes only, as unsure on the license): 

https://www.oca.sa.gov.au/resources/4WD-Tracks-and-Repeater-Towers.pdf

(page 1 provides the guidance on use/etiquette).

 

The challenge with including this is should it be captured on the relevant road section, or on the repeater tower and the data consumer then needs to work out coverage?

 

These channels are usually advertised on road signs located at the boundaries between pastoral leases on the main through route, so there may be Mapillary or KartaView photos of the signs to use as a source.

 

Stephen.

 
 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 3:18 PM
From: "Graeme Fitzpatrick" 
To: "Brendan Barnes" 
Cc: "OSM Australian Talk List" 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Recommended CB radio channel for road




 
 


On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 13:44, Brendan Barnes <brenbar...@gmail.com> wrote:



Absolutely agree with you Bob. I'm just talking about specific "hazardous" roads where the jurisdiction's Roads Authority has put up a permanent sign advising road users to operate on a specific channel for that road. I'm cognizant not to encourage use of 5/35, unless in an emergency.

 

And Graeme thanks for the research! I'll have a think and do a little Any Tags You Like on the first road. Probably a bit too early for any formal tagging guidelines proposal at this stage. I'll tag Great Alpine Road soon, and see if it evolves to other roadways with verifiable CB signage.



 

The other thing with it is that the channel would then need to be shown somehow, so "OSMAND" would have to have the option of showing CB="29", the same as it currently shows the speed limit for that stretch of road, which may be even trickier to do?

 

Thanks
 

Graeme



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Re: [talk-au] Recommended CB radio channel for road

[Stephen Backway]

I wonder if this could be expanded to also capture the relevant emergency use channel for the area.

 

The use case in mind, is in relation to the pastoral leases, in outback SA, operate repeaters for their own use, but are also there for emergency use.

See page 9-12 of this PDF (noting that this is just provided for illustrative purposes only, as unsure on the license): 

https://www.oca.sa.gov.au/resources/4WD-Tracks-and-Repeater-Towers.pdf

(page 1 provides the guidance on use/etiquette).

 

The challenge with including this is should it be captured on the relevant road section, or on the repeater tower and the data consumer then needs to work out coverage?

 

These channels are usually advertised on road signs located at the boundaries between pastoral leases on the main through route, so there may be Mapillary or KartaView photos of the signs to use as a source.

 

Stephen.

 
 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 3:18 PM
From: "Graeme Fitzpatrick" 
To: "Brendan Barnes" 
Cc: "OSM Australian Talk List" 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Recommended CB radio channel for road




 
 


On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 13:44, Brendan Barnes  wrote:



Absolutely agree with you Bob. I'm just talking about specific "hazardous" roads where the jurisdiction's Roads Authority has put up a permanent sign advising road users to operate on a specific channel for that road. I'm cognizant not to encourage use of 5/35, unless in an emergency.

 

And Graeme thanks for the research! I'll have a think and do a little Any Tags You Like on the first road. Probably a bit too early for any formal tagging guidelines proposal at this stage. I'll tag Great Alpine Road soon, and see if it evolves to other roadways with verifiable CB signage.



 

The other thing with it is that the channel would then need to be shown somehow, so "OSMAND" would have to have the option of showing CB="29", the same as it currently shows the speed limit for that stretch of road, which may be even trickier to do?

 

Thanks
 

Graeme



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[talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Stephen Backway]

Hi group,

 

I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been shared already and I missed it:

https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon

 

Extract from the above page:


The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on Sunday, 9th February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register visit: SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon 

SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for reaching out to assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the continued offers of assistance from individuals and businesses from within Australia and globally.

 

From reading through the pages, they are going to be using OpenStreetMap in conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they have any new datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on the list...

 

Stephen.


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Re: [talk-au] Goyder's Lagoon

[Stephen Backway]

I agree with your revised suggestion of swamp, intermittent as a closer 
approximation of Goyders Lagoon.
Stephen.

> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 at 12:43 AM
> From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Goyder's Lagoon
>
> Possibly too hasty?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goyder_Lagoon
> 
> Wikipedia has it as an ephemeral swamp ..:-)
> 
> Would that be better? Tag it as swamp, intermittent ???
> After all the area is not really covered in water .. water flows through it 
> but not really covers it ???
> 
> Not certain if I'd call ephemeral?
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/12/18 10:17, cleary wrote:
> > Agree completely
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2018, at 10:02 AM, Warin wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I have made a rough entry for Goyder's Lagoon - South Aust. above Lake
> >> Eyre - about thesame size.
> >> The boundary is rough because, as you would expect, the rain fall
> >> determines where it is and that varies from fall to fall.
> >> Yes, it is tagged intermittent.
> >>
> >> I make the comment here so those surprised by it's sudden appearance
> >> have some idea of what it is. ~ 80% of the water headed to Lake Eyre
> >> disappears on its way there .. and this is one of the major places where
> >> that disappearance takes place. So I think it needs some representation
> >> on the map.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

[Stephen Backway]

Thanks Tony for providing your images.



I see those signs quite often and dont register them when I ride.



https://app.box.com/s/wawk2d19abv5ic65h5daslgqj6xrhqut

If this sign is to be taken literally (as in what is on the ground) the only formed management trail is the Dargon Track and Lanes track and small sections of the other tracks. As the tracks are not formed, or maintained by Parks (with the exception of a lawn mow here or there for fire management purposes). Therefore all other trails including this one should have an appropriate access tag that reflects this. (not specific restrictions)




The long worded sign identifies that if you are not allowed to ride there is a no bikes symbol is displayed. (https://app.box.com/s/t66300e74l19nr9dwsl7h9b8l25jt0bd)

Similar statement here:

http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/315692/Park-note-Lysterfield-Lake-mountain-bike-riding.pdf



Both maps on the parks site are out of date and do not show all the signed tracks, let alone the unsigned tracks that are used my many visitors to the area. Just because it doesnt appear on a map doesnt mean it doesnt exist.



Im happy to wait, but I already know the response from the ranger, who doesnt want to expose himself to further liabilities.

(If you could, can you ask him what regulation governs the restriction to ride a bike on an existing trails? (I know you arent allowed to make them, but if they exist I would be interested to see the legal requirement)).



Thanks.

Stephen.


Sent:Monday, August 10, 2015 at 12:25 PM
From:fors...@ozonline.com.au
To:stev...@email.com
Cc:talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject:Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Thanks stev391 and others for the feedback and the welcome.

Re real world indications of bicycle=no, there is a lot of signage in
the area indicating that only formed and signed bike trails can be
used and that the creation and use of other tracks is illegal.

https://app.box.com/s/a7215oibuxni7igetyr1onq7yhowfkk1
Map of authorised bike paths at Horswood Rd
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-37.96593/145.30346

https://app.box.com/s/v0d7q8og4qwtzp6ke43u84a9jbkkha84
Detail of above stating Ride only on formed trails designated for
cycling. Do not take shortcuts or make new trails.

https://app.box.com/s/v2s8dl3q3a86gnuwlig2ez9ygsbzngif
sign at cnr Logan Park Rd and Wellington Rd Please remain on formed
Management tracks only, penalties apply
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-37.93742/145.31140

https://app.box.com/s/t66300e74l19nr9dwsl7h9b8l25jt0bd
Detail of sign Cyclists are not permitted ... to ride on tracks...
other than those designated for mountain bike riding

https://app.box.com/s/rldybfj6gfscfr3zwc7jd20tac7yho7y
Detail of sign, map showing authorised trails

https://app.box.com/s/wawk2d19abv5ic65h5daslgqj6xrhqut
Sign at cnr Dargon Tk and Wellington Rd

https://app.box.com/s/gy198r926p05g3f6wgt41hkm2p0jwswy
Example of signage on authorised bike track (Dargon Track)

Thanks for the photo of Ant Trail. Another at the link below
https://app.box.com/s/n13xkced9ra4bv97xf1xqspl3xptnht5
Ant trail at Sunset Tk looking east

It appears that this is not a formed track or a designated track.
The signage in the area therefore indicates that its use is illegal.

https://app.box.com/s/zbdg27crru77njfsvj58proe87qj0oif
A similar but unnamed track at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-37.93253/145.30901

Park notes
http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/315692/Park-note-Lysterfield-Lake-mountain-bike-riding.pdf
http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/315693/Park-note-Lysterfield-Park-and-Churchill-NP.pdf
map the authorised trails and indicate that the use of other trails is
illegal. We do not always rely on on ground signage for tagging, for
example footpaths would be tagged as cars=no even though there are no
barriers or signs.

Re the name of the trail, it is unclear how widely the name Ant Trail
is known, it is not supported on the ground by eg signage.

I spoke briefly with the head ranger Lysterfield last week and expect
to talk again in the next 2 days and hope to get an official answer on
(a) the exact legal status of these trails
(b) whether Parks Vic has a position on how they should be mapped

So please hold off retagging for a couple of days.

Thanks
Tony


 TONY,THANKS FOR FIRSTLY RAISING YOUR PROPOSED EDIT PRIOR TO MAKING
 THE CHANGE (AND ALSO WELCOME TO THE OPENSTREETMAP COMMUNITY). I HAD
 NOT BEEN TO THAT TRACK IN ABOUT 6 MONTHS, SO NEEDED TO REVISIT TO SEE
 WHAT WAS ON THE GROUND BEFORE PRESENTING MY ARGUMENT. PLEASE DO NOT
 TAKE THIS AS AN ATTACK ON YOURSELF AND I HOPE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO
 CONTRIBUTE TO THE MAP. I AGREE WITH BRYCE, IT IS DEFINITELY NOT
 BICYCLE=NO AS THERE IS NOTHING IN THE REAL WORLD TO INDICATE THAT
 THIS NOT ALLOWED TO BE ACCESSED. SEE:
 HTTP://WIKI.OPENSTREETMAP.ORG/WIKI/BICYCLEWHICH STATES WHEN USING
 BICYLCE=NO: QUOT;WHERE BICYCLES ARE NOT PERMITTED, 

Re: [talk-au] Growth in OSM usage.

[Stephen Backway]

Linking Melbourne Authority have now added the attribution to the map (it is a 
little 'i' above the legend, that upon clicking expands to show the 
attribution.)
- Original Message -
From: stev...@email.com
Sent: 03/11/14 03:32 PM
To: Leon Kernan
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Growth in OSM usage.

Group,

Just letting you know I have made some friendly contact with Linking Melbourne 
Authority, and they have acknowledged the issue and are working to include the 
appropriate attribution.

Steve
- Original Message -
From: Leon Kernan
Sent: 03/05/14 10:01 PM
To: stev...@email.com
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Growth in OSM usage.

They are using Mapbox, which provides the attribution string (it's in the 
source code) but its up to the user to display it appropriately. 

Looks like they didn't read this page when they set it up:

https://www.mapbox.com/help/attribution/ 

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:11 PM,  stev...@email.com  wrote:More and more 
people are using the data now, it is quite good and rewarding to know that it 
is useful.

One thing I couldn't find on the website was links to the attribution etc.
Were you able to find it? If not either email linking melbourne with a polite 
email or let me know and I can do it.

Cheers,
Steve
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From: Dssis1
Sent: 03/05/14 07:20 PM
To:  talk-au@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: [talk-au] Growth in OSM usage.

Hi, just letting you guys know that the East-West Link page now uses a OSM map 
to show drilling locations. Link attached: 
http://linkingmelbourne.vic.gov.au/east-west-link/technical-studies/geotechnical-studies
  . Thanks, David. -- View this message in context: 
http://openstreetmap-australia.2291470.n4.nabble.com/Growth-in-OSM-usage-tp4642240.html
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Re: [talk-au] Gordon Lake - Multipolygon relations - I just do not understand

[Stephen Backway]

Brett,

Good to here that you are gaining confidence and are working it out.

I'm not sure where you are seing the incomplete [id 12345567] error, however 
when you are in the relation editing window there is a button on the left hand 
side that (for me it is 2nd from the bottom), lets you download all the 
ways/nodes from that the relation. Maybe this will help with the error.
Regards
Steve.
- Original Message -
From: Brett Russell
Sent: 08/05/13 11:15 PM
To: Stephen Backway, OSM Australia mailing list
Subject: RE: [talk-au] Gordon Lake - Multipolygon relations - I just do not 
understand

Hi Steve

Thanks for that information. Gradually getting the hang of them on the simple 
examples but when I struck Lake Gordon wonder what on earth the incomplete [id 
31755640] meant. It looks like an error message but as you commented earlier 
the lake is rendering as it should. Do notice that in JOSM the lake does not 
render correctly once I split a way and then refine it probably due to the size 
of the lake exceeding the downloadable segment.

Due to the size of the Lake I am splitting sections out and tracing them in 
with more nodes and then reconnecting them. The delay in tile render can make 
this a bit challenging to check but looks like based on your notes that I am 
doing the right thing.

And finally mastering getting maps on my Garmin with contours and rendered like 
mapnik. Thanks to a fellow list member I now can update the Australia pbf file 
and also extract contours for any part of the globe that has them. Typviewer 
means I can create or steal icons. Gradually figuring out the style sheet 
plus a few Garmin idiosyncrasies that mean things like resolution levels do not 
work past a certain pre-set Garmin point. 

Next step will be implementing sac_scale for walking tracks and revisiting the 
unpaved road issue. Plus seeing if I can liberate the higher 1 second contour 
line scans that were down as part of the SRTM contours for Australia.

Cheers Brett
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Re: [talk-au] Missing Silver Lake

[Stephen Backway]

Brett,

I have fixed/created the multipolygon.

In JOSM you needed to select the lake way, and the two islands and then go to 
Tools-Create Multipolygon. JOSM takes care of the rest.

Regards
Stephen.
- Original Message -
From: Brett Russell
Sent: 07/26/13 08:45 PM
To: OSM Australia mailing list
Subject: [talk-au] Missing Silver Lake

Hi

I sometimes managed to stuff up multipolygon relationships and have no idea 
what is wrong so no idea how to fix them. The most recent one is Silver Lake. 
It does not come up in the search in mapnik, nor does the name display in 
mapnik nor JOSM. It is the lake north of Lake Antimony in Tasmania on the Pine 
River. Can someone have a look at it and advise me how to fix it.

Cheers Brett
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Re: [talk-au] Who to create a OSM Wikipedia information page

[Stephen Backway]

Brett,

I assume that you are referring to the OSM wiki, not Wikipedia:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page

If this is the case, you do not need any special editors at all (just your 
favourite web browser).

The first step would be to go to the wiki and sign up for an account.

Once this is done you can edit pages, so find a spot in the wiki where you 
think there should be more information what you want to do and either:
1) add it to an existing page, or
2) edit the page to link to a wiki page with the right title, once that is done 
click on the link to the new page and edit it with the new information.

The syntax for creating headings/links/images etc is rather simple and brief 
look into the source (button on each wiki page) will show you the syntax. See 
this page for style guides and hints:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Help:Wiki-Editing

Hope this makes sense,

Stephen.
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From: Brett Russell
Sent: 07/17/13 02:27 PM
To: OSM Australia mailing list
Subject: [talk-au] Who to create a OSM Wikipedia information page

Hi All


Thanks to the enormous efforts and patience of a mailing list member, I am 
gradually battling through the process of creating img files for Garmin on a 
Windows machine.The process ironically is easier on a Unix cmd style interface 
as many things work without battling Window style differences, but for better 
and more likely worse Windows is my operating system as that is what matches my 
work environment.Also many people use it.
 G
iven that I can find no clear guides to creating Garmin img files using Windows 
machines I would like to document the process and put up a Wikipedia entry on 
the process.I am not sure how to do this and would like a few pointers such as 
login and editors to use, and even confirmation that it is possible.I would 
like to do it now as nothing like writing instructions before you become 
familiar and start assuming and abstracting away things plus steps that once 
made your life difficult.

Anyway, as usual, any help and pointers would be appreciated.


Cheers Brett
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[talk-au] Disconnected ways, almost connected nodes and crossing ways - user goldfishxyz

[Stephen Backway]

Hello,

I have been monitoring one of Geofabrik's quality assurance sites and fixing 
errors (if appropriate) etc:
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routinglon=146.39491lat=-36.03879zoom=6


About a month ago I had the state of Victoria almost cleaned up, with only some 
issues in Melbourne shown on the map (a lot of these are false positives, and 
take a while to get through).

However recently I have noticed new errors appearing, in the form of 
disconnected ways, ways that just end short and also crossing ways (when there 
should be a node). These have been made by the user goldfishxyz, I have tried 
to contact this user directly via the openstreetmap messaging system, but have 
not had a response (the user is still creating more errorneous edits).

So goldfishxyz are you on this mailing list?

What other action should I be taking? 
Since noticing the new edits, I have fixed a few, but left the majority there 
so I can highlight them to this user. I don't really want to continue to clean 
the map, I would prefer to educate the person so they know of the issue.

Regards,
Stephen
(OSM user steve91)
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