Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
A bit late to the party but anyway: I wonder if we should add a sentence about verifiability (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability) like: "If you are mapping private areas, make sure you only include details that [other mappers can verify]( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability)" This covers the case like me who does map private roads etc but only where others can see them from the street or from the air etc. Indeed I'd like to map a swimming pool but can't as no-one else can verify it as is not visible from above, nor from any public place. Alex On 9/10/19, 11:26 am, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Ok.. I think the following can be done on the Australian Tagging Guidelines; ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 05:40, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > access=destination is defined as no transit traffic. > > So it means that anybody may use road/path, > but not as a shortcut. > > "only residents", "only with permission > of owner" are access=private > Thanks for that clarification - access=private it should be then. Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
9 Oct 2019, 09:47 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > Destination if it leads somewhere (house), private if it goes to a > field/barn/etc??? > access=destination is defined as no transit traffic. So it means that anybody may use road/path, but not as a shortcut. "only residents", "only with permission of owner" are access=private___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
+1 On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 11:56, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ok.. I think the following can be done on the Australian Tagging > Guidelines; > > > Remove the words "not map the interior private roads in detail" from > service roads > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Urban_Areas > > > Add a new section "Private Roads" under 'Road Tagging' as the last entry. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Road_Tagging > > With words something like? > > "Private roads can be mapped, this provides information for; > the person going past, that the road is private and their location on > the map > emergency services who may find the road of benefit > the private individual who can use the road > > Such private roads should have the tag 'access=private', if you are not > certain then it is best to err on the cautious side and add the > 'access=private'." > > > > Any objections, corrections, better words .. ??? > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
On 09/10/19 15:11, Ian Steer wrote: Sounds OK (I'll have to change my mapping practices) Other than not mapping things we should not, what we each contribute is up to us. There is certainly enough to do without adding any additional tasks to what most are already doing. There are 3 reasons why I asked. I have added a road in the past that I know is there but leads to some homesteads, I did not think it needed access=private but it did. I came across a deletion of a bridge that I had reference to, the local who deleted it claimed it was private, I checked with the council and they too said it was private. So I put it back with access private and made comments to the local. I came across some deletions by someone who did not want people using their farm tracks. Another mapper remapped these with comments back to the deleter. So there is some action over private roads that concerns me and I wanted some wider thoughts. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
On 09/10/19 15:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: 2 thoughts. Map the full road we can see on overhead imagery, or just up to the (usual) gate? & access=private, or =destination? I think if we go with the provision of information for emergency services then we map all we can. Destination if it leads somewhere (house), private if it goes to a field/barn/etc??? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
I like the suggestion to add destination. This is sensible for three driveways leaving from the same road to different houses. I think the wording suggestions are good. Provide a link to this thread as reference. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On 9 October 2019 3:19:11 pm AEDT, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >2 thoughts. > >Map the full road we can see on overhead imagery, or just up to the >(usual) >gate? > >& access=private, or =destination? > >Thanks > >Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
2 thoughts. Map the full road we can see on overhead imagery, or just up to the (usual) gate? & access=private, or =destination? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
Sounds OK (I'll have to change my mapping practices) Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
+1 and well done. On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 14:27, cleary wrote: > Supported. Well done. > > > > > On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, at 11:55 AM, Warin wrote: > > Ok.. I think the following can be done on the Australian Tagging > Guidelines; > > > > > > Remove the words "not map the interior private roads in detail" from > > service roads > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Urban_Areas > > > > > > Add a new section "Private Roads" under 'Road Tagging' as the last entry. > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Road_Tagging > > > > With words something like? > > > > "Private roads can be mapped, this provides information for; > > the person going past, that the road is private and their location on > > the map > > emergency services who may find the road of benefit > > the private individual who can use the road > > > > Such private roads should have the tag 'access=private', if you are not > > certain then it is best to err on the cautious side and add the > > 'access=private'." > > > > > > > > Any objections, corrections, better words .. ??? > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- Warm Regards Ewen Hill Internet Development Australia ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
Supported. Well done. On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, at 11:55 AM, Warin wrote: > Ok.. I think the following can be done on the Australian Tagging Guidelines; > > > Remove the words "not map the interior private roads in detail" from > service roads > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Urban_Areas > > > Add a new section "Private Roads" under 'Road Tagging' as the last entry. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Road_Tagging > > With words something like? > > "Private roads can be mapped, this provides information for; > the person going past, that the road is private and their location on > the map > emergency services who may find the road of benefit > the private individual who can use the road > > Such private roads should have the tag 'access=private', if you are not > certain then it is best to err on the cautious side and add the > 'access=private'." > > > > Any objections, corrections, better words .. ??? > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
Yer... I'll sleep on it. Probably think of something better tomorrow! Leave it for a couple of weeks and see. On 09/10/19 13:10, Ben Kelley wrote: Looks good I think. - Ben. On 9/10/19 11:55, Warin wrote: Ok.. I think the following can be done on the Australian Tagging Guidelines; Remove the words "not map the interior private roads in detail" from service roads https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Urban_Areas Add a new section "Private Roads" under 'Road Tagging' as the last entry. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Road_Tagging With words something like? "Private roads can be mapped, this provides information for; the person going past, that the road is private and their location on the map emergency services who may find the road of benefit the private individual who can use the road Such private roads should have the tag 'access=private', if you are not certain then it is best to err on the cautious side and add the 'access=private'." Any objections, corrections, better words .. ??? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:56 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Any objections, corrections, better words .. ??? > > No, looks good. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
Looks good I think. - Ben. On 9/10/19 11:55, Warin wrote: Ok.. I think the following can be done on the Australian Tagging Guidelines; Remove the words "not map the interior private roads in detail" from service roads https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Urban_Areas Add a new section "Private Roads" under 'Road Tagging' as the last entry. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Road_Tagging With words something like? "Private roads can be mapped, this provides information for; the person going past, that the road is private and their location on the map emergency services who may find the road of benefit the private individual who can use the road Such private roads should have the tag 'access=private', if you are not certain then it is best to err on the cautious side and add the 'access=private'." Any objections, corrections, better words .. ??? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion
Ok.. I think the following can be done on the Australian Tagging Guidelines; Remove the words "not map the interior private roads in detail" from service roads https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Urban_Areas Add a new section "Private Roads" under 'Road Tagging' as the last entry. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Road_Tagging With words something like? "Private roads can be mapped, this provides information for; the person going past, that the road is private and their location on the map emergency services who may find the road of benefit the private individual who can use the road Such private roads should have the tag 'access=private', if you are not certain then it is best to err on the cautious side and add the 'access=private'." Any objections, corrections, better words .. ??? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
