Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-19 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 20/6/21 10:03 am, Adam Horan wrote: /"Lineage:  The production process commences with textual matching between the Australia Post database and the attribute fields of the spatial Localities theme of the Administrative Boundaries dataset. Detailed analysis is then required of duplicate

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-19 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 20/6/21 10:03 am, Adam Horan wrote: They do also say this: /"Postcode Boundaries is produced through a partnership with Australia Post and *provides the official representation of postal delivery areas across Australia*."/ I don't understand your point. Are you saying that Australia Post

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-19 Thread Adam Horan
PSMA/Geoscape isn't Australia Post. AusPost will sell you a list of postcodes mapped to Localities, and with a lat/long reference for a single point within the postcode. They don't sell a shapefile. https://postcode.auspost.com.au/product_display.html?id=4 The AusPost sample data is: PCode

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-19 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 17/6/21 7:14 pm, Andrew Harvey via Talk-au wrote: This does sound like addr:postcode on each address object is the way to go and correctly capture the postcode of each address. We can still have postal_code's on admin boundaries where the the vast majority of addresses within that boundary

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-19 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 19/6/21 3:54 am, stevea wrote: In the USA (in OSM) we say rather bluntly "ZIP codes are not boundaries." (ZIP codes are USA postcodes). The situation in Australia is different. Over here they *are* boundaries and our local postal service will sell you a copy of them:

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-19 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 19/6/21 9:48 am, Ewen Hill wrote: and who sends a letter nowadays ;) You make a good point there. So why are we putting postcodes into OSM? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-18 Thread forster
Quoting "Sebastian S." : "Me is wondering how I would get notified if my postcode would change? By Australia Post? By ABS?" Hi When my postcode changed from Narre Warren East 3782 to Belgrave South 3160, I was notified by Australia Post. (But amusingly: they then realised that the roads

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-18 Thread Sebastian S.
Me is wondering how I would get notified if my postcode would change? By Australia Post? By ABS? On 19 June 2021 9:48:56 am AEST, Ewen Hill wrote: >Hi all, >We have been using the ABS 2016 postcode boundaries under intense >scrutiny compared to the "current" Auspost and found very few

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-18 Thread Sebastian S.
Lots to read here. My take away is Postcodes are not from Australia Post and a proprietary system. Postcodes are not great for areas, it might work but can also be complex. (I'm thinking sprinkled houses in a rough terrain making the relation consists of several areas that are not officially

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-18 Thread stevea
On Jun 17, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Andrew Harvey via Talk-au wrote: >> It's a fair point that Vicmap's own postcode field shouldn't be taken as >> 100% correct, it looks like it might have been assigned based on postcode >> boundaries so might still suffer issues because of this, but where >>

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-17 Thread stevea
On Jun 17, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Andrew Harvey via Talk-au wrote: > It's a fair point that Vicmap's own postcode field shouldn't be taken as 100% > correct, it looks like it might have been assigned based on postcode > boundaries so might still suffer issues because of this, but where >

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-17 Thread Andrew Harvey via Talk-au
On Thu, 17 Jun 2021, at 6:08 PM, Adam Horan wrote: > > The ABS have an interesting factsheet on postcodes and their own 'Postal > Area' interpretation (POA). > https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetspoa > It starts with this statement: > *"A postcode is a four digit

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-17 Thread Adam Horan
The ABS have an interesting factsheet on postcodes and their own 'Postal Area' interpretation (POA). https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/censushome.nsf/home/factsheetspoa It starts with this statement: *"A postcode is a four digit number used by Australia Post to assist with mail delivery. Australia

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-17 Thread stevea
I know (I know), I’m talking to the Australia list and I’m in the USA (California). I have friends from Oz, but I’ve never been (I’d love to visit as a tourist, it’s on my bucket list). In the USA, the USPS (postal service) uses five-digit “ZIP” codes (Zone, digit 1; Improvement, digits 2 and

[talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

2021-06-16 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 14/6/21 10:28 pm, Ewen Hill wrote: With regard to postcodes. The proprietary nature and no formal notification of change to postcodes makes the whole process of getting data less than optimal. This is the weird thing about postcodes in Australia. On one hand they are designed to be