Re: [Talk-de] Das Problem mit mechanischen Edits in OpenStreetMap

2016-10-06 Thread markus schnalke
Hoi, wie kann man denn diesen Artikel kommentieren? http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2016/09/das-problem-mit-mechanischen-edits-in-openstreetmap/ Er hat bereits Kommentare, ich finde aber keine Moeglichkeit selber auch einen Kommentar zu hinterlassen. Oder ist das nur eine Zeitlang

Re: [Talk-es] Encuesta implicación Asociación

2016-10-06 Thread Santiago Higuera
Gracias, Jorge El jue, 06-10-2016 a las 23:00 +0200, Jorge López escribió: > Buenas noches, > > El otro día en la reunión propuse hacer una encuesta para saber > cuántos  > de aquí esteríamos interesados en formar parte de la asociación y > hasta  > que punto. > > He creado una página en la

Re: [Talk-it] Utente che modifica confini

2016-10-06 Thread Fayor Uno
Forse mi sono perso qualcosa è vietato modificare i confini? Da: Federico Cortese Inviato: giovedì 6 ottobre 2016 21.55 A: openstreetmap list - italiano Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Utente che modifica confini 2016-10-06 21:03 GMT+02:00

Re: [Talk-es] Comarcalización de España

2016-10-06 Thread Alejandro S.
En la Wikipedia son bastante estrictos con que la información que se incluye en ella requiriendo que esté respaldada por referencias. En este caso si se leen los artículos, comentan que hay algunas comarcas propuestas y otras oficiales, por ejemplo el artículo sobre Castilla y León [0] indica que

[Talk-cz] GE Money -> Moneta Money

2016-10-06 Thread Marián Kyral
Ahoj, nejsem jejich klientem, nicméně jsem si všiml, že se tato banka přejmenovala. Neplánuje někdo provést aktualizaci v OSM? Já na to teď nemám prostor. Předpokládám, že bude stačit stáhnout data přes overpass-turbo, upravit v Level0 editoru a nahrát zpět. Zbývá jen otázka, co dát do name=*

[Talk-es] Encuesta implicación Asociación

2016-10-06 Thread Jorge López
Buenas noches, El otro día en la reunión propuse hacer una encuesta para saber cuántos de aquí esteríamos interesados en formar parte de la asociación y hasta que punto. He creado una página en la wiki [1]. Están explicados los niveles de implicación. Id añadiéndoos a la tabla cuando

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Arriva Openbaar vervoer Concessie Limburg

2016-10-06 Thread Reinier Battenberg
Elke keer dat je denkt, ik begin aan iets simpels, dan blijkt het weer een wereld op zich te zijn. Ik ga moeten leren over Openbaar Vervoer. Dank voor de tips tot zo ver. Jo, een ticketje is om en nabij de 30 euri, met 1 overstap in Luik, wat echt een schitterend station is.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Arriva Openbaar vervoer Concessie Limburg (sorry for cross-posting)

2016-10-06 Thread Jo
Hallo Reinier, Wij hebben deze zomer in het kader van Google Summer of Code een nieuwe plugin ontwikkeld: pt_assistant. De plugin is bedoeld om handig te zijn voor iedere mapper. Er worden regels toegevoegd aan de validator. De problemen die gevonden worden, kunnen dan aangepakt worden met de

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Parcourir toutes les routes d'une commune

2016-10-06 Thread Stéphane Péneau
Je suis sur une bonne piste. Overpass Turbo -> highway=* in nomdelacommune Josm, un peu de nettoyage puis export en geojson import dans Qgis (linestring uniquement) Application du plugin chinese postman Export GPX avec force track/route activé, et en ne prenant que les linestrings. Crash test

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Arriva Openbaar vervoer Concessie Limburg (sorry for cross-posting)

2016-10-06 Thread Marc Gemis
Als je versie 2 van de public transport routes gebruikt, kan je de PT assistent plugin gebruiken om je relaties te verifieren. Dit is een nieuwe plugin geschreven door Darya in het kader van een Google Summer of Code project begeleidt door Polyglot. m 2016-10-06 21:53 GMT+02:00 Maarten Deen

Re: [Talk-GB] UK suburbs

2016-10-06 Thread Michael Booth
addr:locality could cause confusion in OSM because place=locality is a named place with no population? I live in a post town so things are straightforward, but I've never been entirely sure how to tag addresses in the village and town either side of me. For example the Royal Mail address:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Arriva Openbaar vervoer Concessie Limburg

2016-10-06 Thread Reinier Battenberg
Hoi Maarten, Ik neem graag een laptop voor je mee, met zoveel ervaring zou ik je niet willen missen. Je kunt je registreren op Eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/registratie-openstreetmap-maastricht-de-nieuwe-buslijnen-28432144309 Er wordt aan pizza's gewerkt, maar dat is nog niet

Re: [Talk-it] Utente che modifica confini

2016-10-06 Thread Federico Cortese
2016-10-06 21:03 GMT+02:00 Stefano : > Ciao, > segnalazione da facebook > > QUOTE > Ciao a tutti, l'utente fayor è evidentemente alle prese con la modifica di > tutti i confini dei comuni di Italia (!). C'è stata qualche decisione della > community a riguardo? Quali sono le

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Arriva Openbaar vervoer Concessie Limburg (sorry for cross-posting)

2016-10-06 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2016-10-06 12:51, Reinier Battenberg wrote: Hallo, Vanaf 11 december gaat Arriva het openbaar vervoer in Limburg overnemen. Op 5 Oktober hebben ze hun, gedeeltelijk nieuwe, buslijnen gepubliceerd http:// www.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf20161005_00025183/dag-van-de-waarheid-voor-limburgs-

Re: [Talk-GB] UK suburbs

2016-10-06 Thread Jez Nicholson
Thank you chaps. Colin: I said 'technically' because I saw the address in lots of web searches without the Rottingdean and believed that Royal Mail weren't going to specify it...looks like I was wrong. The Lloyds Pharmacy website uses Rottingdean, Brighton. Lester: I'm glad that it wasn't

Re: [OSRM-talk] Segfault with 5.4.0 osrm-extract and foot.lua

2016-10-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, so all OSRM releases up to 5.2.7 work ok on my machine and with my input file and the foot profile; all releases from 5.3.0 upwards have the segfault. I'll continue trying to identify exactly where it was introduced. (It could of course still be a funny problem with 16.04 or with my input

Re: [Talk-it] Utente che modifica confini

2016-10-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 06 ott 2016, alle ore 21:03, Stefano ha scritto: > > Io in questi giorni sono a controllare la cartellonistica in Sardegna, se c'è > qualcuno che può intervenire o commentare, al limite faccio da tramite su FB.. visto che si tratta (per la

Re: [Talk-it] OSM al Linux Day 2016

2016-10-06 Thread Alessandro
Scusate l'off topic E' da un pò che cerchiamo in rete un pinguino gonfiabile di una certa dimensione, almeno 1,5m o anche 2, ma al massimo si trova quello da 91cm su ebay o Amazon Qualcuno sa se e dove si può trovare? In rete su Alibaba ce nè uno da 2m in PCV spesso 0,31mm ma prima che

Re: [Talk-es] Comarcalización de España

2016-10-06 Thread Pepe Casado
Opino igual que Emilio y siento si he sembrado la polémica pero no era mi intención Pepe El 6 oct. 2016 20:50, "Emilio Gómez Fernández" escribió: > Que no se me malinterprete. No pongo ninguna objección a cómo etiquetar y > crear las relaciones, que lo veo bien.

Re: [Talk-ca] ODbL vs CC-BY

2016-10-06 Thread Begin Daniel
Merci Charles, you make my day! Daniel -Original Message- From: Charles Basenga Kiyanda [mailto:perso...@charleskiyanda.com] Sent: Thursday, 6 October, 2016 15:02 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] ODbL vs CC-BY I would rather look here:

[Talk-it] Utente che modifica confini

2016-10-06 Thread Stefano
Ciao, segnalazione da facebook QUOTE Ciao a tutti, l'utente fayor è evidentemente alle prese con la modifica di tutti i confini dei comuni di Italia (!). C'è stata qualche decisione della community a riguardo? Quali sono le fonti usate? Ha senso fare questa modifica? Ora come ora modifiche a

Re: [Talk-ca] ODbL vs CC-BY

2016-10-06 Thread Charles Basenga Kiyanda
I would rather look here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility CC-by-4.0 is still under review, but all other CC-by-x.x licences have a problem with attribution: "is ODbL compatible if rights holder(s) explicitly states in writing that credit on the Contributors

Re: [Talk-GB] UK suburbs

2016-10-06 Thread SK53
I tend to avoid trying to add suburb & city address tags. Firstly the Royal Mail's usage is rather arbitrary: they aren't used in Nottingham AFAIK even though there are several duplicate street names (Vernon Roads in Basford & Wilford). Secondly, I find that people's perceptions of boundaries of

Re: [Talk-es] Comarcalización de España

2016-10-06 Thread Emilio Gómez Fernández
Que no se me malinterprete. No pongo ninguna objección a cómo etiquetar y crear las relaciones, que lo veo bien. Simplemente comentaba que tengamos cuidado y solo añadamos al mapa las comarcas que sepamos que existen administrativamente, porque en el artículo de la Wikipedia se muestran mapas y se

Re: [Talk-GB] UK suburbs

2016-10-06 Thread Lester Caine
On 06/10/16 17:48, Jez Nicholson wrote: > Seems like a silly question, but which tag do we commonly use in the UK > for suburbs? addr:place? If you look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr you will see there are a few 'ancillary' sub tags including suburb, but there is little

Re: [Talk-GB] John Watson School, Oxford

2016-10-06 Thread Lester Caine
On 06/10/16 18:56, Christian Ledermann wrote: > How to map this? The staring point is if you can identify separate buildings. I've mapped a couple of sites where the playgrounds are shared space, so the 'site' is an amenity=school, but the names go against each building. Closer surveying of a

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Arriva Openbaar vervoer Concessie Limburg (sorry for cross-posting)

2016-10-06 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
> Op 6 okt. 2016, om 12:51 heeft Reinier Battenberg > het volgende geschreven: > > PS, ik kijk zelf nooit op forums, dus ik crosspost voor deze ene keer dubbel, > geen idee wat policy er is en wie ik via welk kanaal bereik. Ik hoop niet te > veel overlap. Het internet

Re: [Talk-GB] UK suburbs

2016-10-06 Thread Colin Smale
Royal Mail would agree with the residents. The postcode finder returns: Lloyds Pharmacy 2-4 West Street Rottingdean BRIGHTON BN2 7HP What do you mean with "it is technically..."? The current OSM tagging for addresses doesn't cater very well with the UK address model, which can get really

[Talk-GB] John Watson School, Oxford

2016-10-06 Thread Christian Ledermann
when I look at: https://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/7410/ there seem to be 3 schools on the same schoolground: Wheatley Nursery School (0.0 m) source:name = edubase amenity = school name = Wheatley Nursery School ref:edubase = 122983 source:geometry = OS_Open_Map_Local_FunctionalSite

Wochennotiz Nr. 324 27.09.2016–03.10.2016

2016-10-06 Thread Wochennotizteam
Hallo, die Wochennotiz Nr. 324 mit vielen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap Welt ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2016/10/wochennotiz-nr-324/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-GB] UK suburbs

2016-10-06 Thread Jez Nicholson
I was just looking at the address for Lloyds Pharmacy in Rottingdean whilst adding the fhrs:id. It is technically "2-4 West St, Brighton, BN2 7HP". There is a West Street in the centre of Brighton, so residents would probably put "2-4 West St, Rottingdean, Brighton, BN2 7HP" Seems like a silly

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew Task 2195

2016-10-06 Thread Blake Girardot
I agree, experienced UAV and local operators would be great. HOT does not coordinate any UAV missions in disaster situations, that is handled by UAViators Humanitarian UAV Network as far as I understand things and have already seen them mentioned as providing coordination for Hurricane Matthew

Re: [Talk-ht] Lot Talk-ht, Vol 73, Parution 4

2016-10-06 Thread Schneider kennedy Alcereste
Bonjour Severin, Nous apprécions enormement vos bonnes actions qui nous arrivent toujours aux moments opportuns, notre équipe à Saint-Marc refflechissait comment pourrions nous etre utile à cet effet. en fait, sur cette tache nous allons faciliter la possibilité à plus de gens. Merci Severin.

Re: [Talk-it] Contatti per coordinatore regionale Emilia Romagna

2016-10-06 Thread Giuseppe Profiti
Ciao Matteo, come avrai visto dall'altra mia e-mail (a proposito, abbiamo trovato un volontario), in Emilia-Romagna di richiesta ce n'è, ma di mappatori che rispondano molti meno. Potrebbe essere un'idea creare degli eventi di tipo "train the trainers", in modo da avere più volontari ben preparati

Re: [Talk-es] Comarcalización de España

2016-10-06 Thread Diego García
Mi intención no era abrir este debate, sino aportar la manera de crear dichos límites. Un saludo, El jue., 6 oct. 2016 a las 10:34, Emilio Gómez Fernández (< emilio.gomez.f...@gmail.com>) escribió: > Yo estoy de acuerdo con lo que dice Pepe y David. Es absurdo definir unas > comarcas en CA.AA.

Re: [Talk-ht] [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew Task 2195

2016-10-06 Thread Blake Girardot
I agree, experienced UAV and local operators would be great. HOT does not coordinate any UAV missions in disaster situations, that is handled by UAViators Humanitarian UAV Network as far as I understand things and have already seen them mentioned as providing coordination for Hurricane Matthew

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew Task 2195

2016-10-06 Thread nicolas chavent
Hey there, At that stage of HurricaneMatthew response, can we know the status on Fred's proposal. Fred has a unique experience and most robust experience within the HOT community and the HOT US Inc organization when it comes to Haiti : multi years of work experience as GIS Officer for IOM right

[Talk-us] University of Washington "to host global center for disaster reconnaissance and research"

2016-10-06 Thread Pine W
Perhaps of interest: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/science/uw-will-host-global-center-for-disaster-reconnaissance-research/ "NSF-funded disaster reconnaissance teams from across the country will be able to draw on the UW center’s tools, expertise and personnel. All data will be freely

Re: [OSRM-talk] Per-Direction Node Restrictions

2016-10-06 Thread Spencer Gardner
Come to think of it, it would probably be simpler to just make each node aware of the "highest" order of highway. Knowing that, it would work to read that info for each constituent way and determine priority based on if the way's order matches the node's order.. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:29 AM,

[talk-ph] ADB–OSMPH Padre Burgos and Santa Josefa Mapathon

2016-10-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hello all! The Asian Development Bank and OSM Philippines is inviting all of you to join the Padre Burgos and Santa Josefa Mapathon! This will be held at the ADB Headquarters on October 15, 2016 from 9:00am to 4:00pm. Be a digital volunteer and help us complete the base map of Padre Burgos,

Re: [Talk-cz] OSM na konferenci OpenAlt? | 5.-6. listopadu | Brno

2016-10-06 Thread Ladislav Nesnera
Jsem to ostuda - soustředěním se na přehlásku jsem zkomolil jméno. Správně - Jan Böhm On 03/10/16 17:49, Ladislav Nesnera wrote: > > Mirku, díky! A do podmínek bych dal - "vyšlápnuté pohorky a rozcestník > sebou" :-D > > Čerstvá zpráva - Missing Maps na Altu budou!

Re: [OSRM-talk] Segfault with 5.4.0 osrm-extract and foot.lua

2016-10-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I've re-run with debug enabled but that wasn't much better: === Backtrace: = /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0x77725)[0x7fd9e4134725] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0x7ff4a)[0x7fd9e413cf4a] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(cfree+0x4c)[0x7fd9e4140abc]

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Conflit entre les sources et le terrain sur une limite intercommunale

2016-10-06 Thread Philippe Verdy
Je vois des "old" partout. Pas convaincu qu'on ait un accès direct aux données actualisées (à moins de 5 ou 10 ans; ceci dit le cadastre tel qu'il est publié n'est souvent pas non plus à jour depuis des années concernant l'at des propriétés et constructions). Si on veut des données récentes il

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Conflit entre les sources et le terrain sur une limite intercommunale

2016-10-06 Thread Philippe Verdy
Le 6 octobre 2016 à 11:34, Romain MEHUT a écrit : > Sauf qu'à ce jour aucun rendu ne permet d'afficher les numéros de > parcelles (exemple zone en cours de correction > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/48.6279/5.6202) à moins de tricher > sur les tags

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Update nieuwbouw in Aerdenhout

2016-10-06 Thread Sebastiaan Couwenberg
On 10/06/2016 11:53 AM, Hugo Holscher wrote: > In Aerdenhout bij de Gezina van de Molenlaan en Mies Noltenlaan > (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.36121=4.60237#map=19/52.36121/4.60237) > zijn nieuwe woningen gebouwd. > Ze zijn deels al sinds begin dit jaar bewoond. Ze staan echter nog niet

Re: [Talk-it] Cercasi mapatori per Linux Day a Bologna

2016-10-06 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 06/ott/2016 12:14, "Stefano Droghetti" ha scritto: > > > > Il 05/10/2016 16:46, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: >> >> >> Le ZTL sono una cosa molto complessa, in quanto le regole e specifiche sono diverse in ogni comune. L'unico modo praticabile che funziona su

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Conflit entre les sources et le terrain sur une limite intercommunale

2016-10-06 Thread Romain MEHUT
Le 6 octobre 2016 à 11:54, Philippe Verdy a écrit : > Je suis aussi d'accord que ces numéros de parcelles d'exploitation sont > utiles dans OSM s'ils sont visibles sur le terrain, mais pas sûr que l'ONF > les publie même dans une forêt domaniale publique. > Si ONF - Forêts

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Conflit entre les sources et le terrain sur une limite intercommunale

2016-10-06 Thread Philippe Verdy
Le 6 octobre 2016 à 10:59, David Marchal a écrit : > En parlant des numéros de parcelle (dont je me doutais qu'elle ne > correspondaient pas aux parcelles cadastrales ; merci de me l'avoir > confirmé), les données de l'ONF sont-elles assez fiables pour être > utilisées

[OSM-talk-nl] Update nieuwbouw in Aerdenhout

2016-10-06 Thread Hugo Holscher
In Aerdenhout bij de Gezina van de Molenlaan en Mies Noltenlaan (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.36121=4.60237#map=19/52.36121/4.60237) zijn nieuwe woningen gebouwd. Ze zijn deels al sinds begin dit jaar bewoond. Ze staan echter nog niet op de kaart. Ik kan me niet voorstellen dat er geen

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Conflit entre les sources et le terrain sur une limite intercommunale

2016-10-06 Thread Romain MEHUT
Bonjour, Le 6 octobre 2016 à 10:59, David Marchal a écrit : > En parlant des numéros de parcelle (dont je me doutais qu'elle ne > correspondaient pas aux parcelles cadastrales ; merci de me l'avoir > confirmé), les données de l'ONF sont-elles assez fiables pour être > utilisées

Re: [OSRM-talk] Segfault with 5.4.0 osrm-extract and foot.lua

2016-10-06 Thread Daniel Hofmann
Hey Frederik, the 5.4 release and its three profiles (car, foot, bike) work fine for us on all our deployments, with the latest planet. I think we need more details here: first of all, it seems like Ubuntu 16.04 ships Lua5.3 with apt, for which we saw an immense increase in memory usage. This

Re: [Talk-it] Cercasi mapatori per Linux Day a Bologna

2016-10-06 Thread Stefano Droghetti
Il 05/10/2016 16:46, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: Le ZTL sono una cosa molto complessa, in quanto le regole e specifiche sono diverse in ogni comune. L'unico modo praticabile che funziona su (quasi) tutti motori di routing sarebbe mettere alle singole strade motor_vehicle=private oppure

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Conflit entre les sources et le terrain sur une limite intercommunale

2016-10-06 Thread David Marchal
Tant que le cadastre donne les noms, je les utilise, mais les noms cadastraux ne correspondent souvent plus à la situation actuelle, mais à celle qui avait cours il y a des lustres (« Pré la Fauche », « La Jonchère », « La Pointière ») ; par ailleurs, le cadastre ne donne pas toujours le nom

Re: [Talk-es] Comarcalización de España

2016-10-06 Thread Emilio Gómez Fernández
Yo estoy de acuerdo con lo que dice Pepe y David. Es absurdo definir unas comarcas en CA.AA. donde no existen o no se han desarrollado las leyes de comarcalización. En Cantabria, por ejemplo, existe la ley de 1999, pero estas no se han creado y pasará tiempo si se llegan a formar. Sí existe una

Re: [Talk-in] Automating OSM translation into Indic languages

2016-10-06 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On 7 April 2015 at 11:32, Sajjad Anwar wrote: > Aruna, we can use the Wikidata to get a first pass of the translation and > then present the spreadsheet view for someone to eyeball and add missing? > I got a spreadsheet view[0] to this using the OverpassToGoogleSheets

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Vernieuwde Wiki .... is die te gebruiken voor België ? Nouveau Wiki compatible pour Belgique ...

2016-10-06 Thread Glenn Plas
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_lanes_in_oneway_motor_car_roads && https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_lanes_in_bidirectional_motor_car_roads Use those please, not Ulamm's... Glenn On 04-10-16 20:25, Jakka wrote: >

[Talk-it-trentino] meteo personalizzato con OSM

2016-10-06 Thread AGH
Ciao a tutti, ho un forum di escursionismo in montagna ( girovagandoinmontagna.com), per il quale mi piacerebbe poter mettere una mappa personalizzata OSM con le icone delle previsioni a 1-2-3 gg su determinate località a mia scelta. Ho provato vari widget tra quelli disponibili online ma nessuno

Re: [Talk-cz] RFmap (mapování vysílačů)

2016-10-06 Thread Mikoláš Štrajt
Zdar,kdyby se někomu chtělo nějak vylepšit tu mou mapu (na zobrazování) vysílačů, tak jsem hodil kód na github. Viz https://github.com/osmcz/rfmap -- Mikoláš Štrajt / Severák / http://severak.svita.cz/ ___ Talk-cz mailing list

Re: [Talk-es] Comarcalización de España

2016-10-06 Thread David Marín Carreño
Entiendo que esta comarcalización sólo habría que hacerla en aquellas comarcas administrativamente definidas, lo que sucede en algunas comunidades autónomas (según la Wikipedia: Aragón, Asturias, Galicia, Cataluña y el Bierzo en Castilla-León), pero no en el resto... Por ejemplo, ¿qué hacer con

Re: [OSRM-talk] Per-Direction Node Restrictions

2016-10-06 Thread Daniel Hofmann
This is not planned at the moment, since all the profiles know about are tags. All additional processing has to happen internally in the C++ code, and that's exactly why priority roads / give ways / stop signs are a bit ugly to implement. Sorry. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Spencer Gardner