Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-27 Thread Julien Minet
+ 1 for a wiki page about landuse/landcover mapping in Belgium. I once found this interesting page about mapping the environnement in OSM in Ukraine: http://www.50northspatial.org/map-nature-openstreetmap-approaches-issues-key-tags/. I think the OSM tagging should be adapted to countries/ecoregion

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-27 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:42 AM, joost schouppe wrote: > That is just an example. Basically I would wish we had a wiki page as > detailed as the one about bicycle lane tagging for landuse and related > stuff. I agree on the need of a wiki page with lot's and lot's of photos to get a better unders

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-26 Thread joost schouppe
> My garden is a forest (really) and also, well, my garden; and then also part > of a residential area. You could use the all of the following tags on the area of your garden: landuse=residential leisure=garden access=private landcover=trees leaf_cycle= leaf_type= as a wrote a few months before,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-26 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 9:39 PM, joost schouppe wrote: > My garden is a forest (really) and also, well, my garden; and then also part > of a residential area. You could use the all of the following tags on the area of your garden: landuse=residential leisure=garden access=private landcover=trees

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-26 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Karel Adams wrote: > Better to give less but reliable detail. "landuse=meadow" could be used in > some specific cases, like aerodromes. and fields where they keep cows, horses, or sheep. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-26 Thread joost schouppe
> > Teach me how I can determine the right tags from imagery. During my > lunch break today I was working on the area south of the Pierstraat > and north of Voetweg 32 http://osm.org/go/0EpHov3c-- and further to > the east/north east. > I wonder which tags others would use for the areas covered wit

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-26 Thread Karel Adams
On 26/03/17 19:10, Marc Gemis wrote: here is another example I met today location : http://osm.org/go/0ErT_~pXR-?m= picture: https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2017/2017-03-26-Dessel/i-VvGqfPV/A It's clear that the left part on the picture (north on the map) is cultivated land, the grass is green

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-26 Thread Marc Gemis
here is another example I met today location : http://osm.org/go/0ErT_~pXR-?m= picture: https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2017/2017-03-26-Dessel/i-VvGqfPV/A It's clear that the left part on the picture (north on the map) is cultivated land, the grass is greener. I assume it is landuse=farmland. I

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 5:04 PM, joost schouppe wrote: >> >> Please help me with the cleanup of the area around Reet. I honestly >> cannot remap all landuse=farm there based on imagery, although I know >> the area more or less. :-) > > > I'll have a look :) > What would you prefer for "unsure from

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread Marc Gemis
Why would you do the mechanical edit ? Just so osm.org does not show white areas ? Or is there another reason ? m On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Ben Laenen wrote: > On Friday, 24 March 2017 15:43:47 CET Marc Gemis wrote: >> That's what some want to do in The Netherlands, a mechanical edit from

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread joost schouppe
> > > I'm mostly talking as data consumer here. I'd like to know if there are > > cows, plants or cows-or-plants. > > When mappers always use farmland for crops and meadow for cows (or > horses), the data consumer will never find an area cows-or-plants. > yes, that's exactly what I would like to s

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread joost schouppe
> > > > That's what some want to do in The Netherlands, a mechanical edit from > > farm to farmland. > > That's what I would do. Yes, mechanical edits are bad, but a lot of the > landuse data isn't really that accurate to begin with and would need > improvement anyway, especially when landuse=farm

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday, 24 March 2017 15:43:47 CET Marc Gemis wrote: > That's what some want to do in The Netherlands, a mechanical edit from > farm to farmland. That's what I would do. Yes, mechanical edits are bad, but a lot of the landuse data isn't really that accurate to begin with and would need improv

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Jakka wrote: > landuse=meadow > landuse=grass > landuse=farmland > landuse=* plantgrowing > landuse= > > When you are living the countryside, I see every season that the farmer use > the crop rotation most of the landuse you define will be wrong the ne

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:15 PM, joost schouppe wrote: > I'm mostly talking as data consumer here. I'd like to know if there are > cows, plants or cows-or-plants. When mappers always use farmland for crops and meadow for cows (or horses), the data consumer will never find an area cows-or-plants.

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-22 Thread Jakka
Hi, landuse=meadow landuse=grass landuse=farmland landuse=* plantgrowing landuse= When you are living the countryside, I see every season that the farmer use the crop rotation most of the landuse you define will be wrong the next season. My personal opinion Op 22/03/2017 om 1

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-22 Thread joost schouppe
> > > > But I wonder if we > > could tag things so that it stays easy to recognize "agricultural land of > > which we're not sure whether it is grazing land or plant-growing land". > > You mean in case you are looking at an aerial image and want to colour > a part of the map ? > Or is this also a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-22 Thread Lionel Giard
In Wallonia, we are currently working at redoing most of the old stuff and correcting errors, and landuse=farm is part of them. As we don't have good landuse coverage, it is probably better to just not render these old "farm" polygon (most of them overlap other zones or are badly traced). And we wi

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:03 PM, joost schouppe wrote: > In Flanders, the convention seems to be landuse=meadow for grazing lands, > and landuse=farmland for growing plants. That's not according to what the > wiki says (farmland could be grazing land). But it does make it easy to > differentiate.

[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-22 Thread joost schouppe
Hi, It looks like landuse=farm rendering is being removed from the standard map. That means a huge hole is going to be visible in landuse mapping in Belgium in a short while. Most of landuse=farm is the oldest landuse mapping we have. It does not differentiate between growing plants and raising