Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jo
2013/1/7 Kurt Roeckx > On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 06:06:02PM +, Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: > > Of course, that leads me to the question of "Why do > > we add addr:city at all, assuming that every house is fully within a > > city's boundaries?" > > The only reason I can see that being useful is

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 06:06:02PM +, Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: > Of course, that leads me to the question of "Why do > we add addr:city at all, assuming that every house is fully within a > city's boundaries?" The only reason I can see that being useful is that border between 2 cities goes

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Sander Deryckere wrote: > If it's administrative, it's not necessarily the closest. I have given an > example of it, but there are multiple examples, like for this house: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/174076563, it's in gemeente Staden, > but all streets

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Sander Deryckere
On 7 Jan 2013 17:51, "Jan-willem De Bleser" wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Jo wrote: > > So all the ways forming a street with addresses in the same city, having the > > same postcode, together with all the houses go into the same > > associatedStreet relation. > > Ah, ok, one relatio

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Jo wrote: > So all the ways forming a street with addresses in the same city, having the > same postcode, together with all the houses go into the same > associatedStreet relation. Ah, ok, one relation containing all the ways and all the houses - I agree, but pleas

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Initial stuck to the name

2013-01-07 Thread Guy Vanvuchelen
Of L. Claes ooit burgemeester was weet ik niet (naar de voornaam kan ik alleen maar raden) maar ik ben nog namen op straatborden tegengekomen waar de voornaam niet voluit staat. Guy Vanvuchelen Van: Jo [mailto:winfi...@gmail.com] Verzonden: maandag 7 januari 2013 17:44 Aan: OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Initial stuck to the name

2013-01-07 Thread Jo
Op 7 januari 2013 17:20 schreef Guy Vanvuchelen < guido.vanvuche...@pandora.be> het volgende: > Bij een controle via osmose krijg ik ‘Initial stuck to the name’ als > foutmelding. Het zou om een spellingfout gaan. > > Wat is er fout aan bijvoorbeeld “O.L.Vrouw ten Steenkapel” of “L. > Claeslaan”

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Initial stuck to the name

2013-01-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 07 January 2013 17:20:47 Guy Vanvuchelen wrote: > Bij een controle via osmose krijg ik 'Initial stuck to the name' als > foutmelding. Het zou om een spellingfout gaan. > > Wat is er fout aan bijvoorbeeld "O.L.Vrouw ten Steenkapel" of "L. > Claeslaan" ? Moet de naam voluit geschreven wor

[OSM-talk-be] Initial stuck to the name

2013-01-07 Thread Guy Vanvuchelen
Bij een controle via osmose krijg ik 'Initial stuck to the name' als foutmelding. Het zou om een spellingfout gaan. Wat is er fout aan bijvoorbeeld "O.L.Vrouw ten Steenkapel" of "L. Claeslaan" ? Moet de naam voluit geschreven worden (moeilijk in het geval van L. Claeslaan!) of moeten de puntjes w

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 08:17:11AM +0100, Jo wrote: > The associatedStreet relation has the streetname in 'name', not in > addr:street. I also found some relations where this was done incorrectly. > > It is possible to fix all of them in one go. Advise me if you want me to do > so. As far as I un

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jo
2013/1/7 Jan-willem De Bleser > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Sander Deryckere > wrote: > > Who says that the closest street is in the associatedstreet relation. > That > > relation has nothing to do with the closest street, only with the > > administrative division of houses into streets. > >

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Sander Deryckere wrote: > Who says that the closest street is in the associatedstreet relation. That > relation has nothing to do with the closest street, only with the > administrative division of houses into streets. > > Look at this relation: http://www.openstree

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Sander Deryckere
Who says that the closest street is in the associatedstreet relation. That relation has nothing to do with the closest street, only with the administrative division of houses into streets. Look at this relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1869108 So you end up with checking in

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Sander Deryckere wrote: > Only queries like "give all the houses of street 'Veldstraat'" are better > with that binding. But how often do these queries happen? I haven't found the time yet to give Jo's proposal proper consideration, so I'll respond to that and the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Sander Deryckere
I completely agree with you, Jo. Having an easy way to contribute addresses is absolutely necessary. The walking and cycle nodes can follow complicated relation schemas, because there are only a few thousand of them, the OSM core users can all map them. But addresses can't, because everyone needs

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jo
This is what I would propose: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1919939/history addr:city, addr:postcode, addr:country, and maybe addr:state, although I'd prefer addr:province there go in the associatedStreet relation. The name of the street goes into name. This way it becomes usable i

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Marc Gemis
I've added most of those addresses in Reet. I use JOSM all the time to create associatedStreet relations. I vaguely remember seeing a different behavior at a certain point, where JOSM started adding addr:street tags to the buildings when its building tool creates an associatedStreet relation. Is t

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Joren
Op 07-01-13 11:21, Jan-willem De Bleser schreef: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jo wrote: @Jan-Willem: I wouldn't take away the addr:street from the houses and POIs when you add them to an associatedStreet relation. I tried that once, a few years ago, and had to revert because portable editor

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jo wrote: > @Jan-Willem: I wouldn't take away the addr:street from the houses and POIs > when you add them to an associatedStreet relation. I tried that once, a few > years ago, and had to revert because portable editors didn't support > relations (and they still d

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jo
The remark I made was about the associatedStreet relation. The name of the street is put in the name tag, just like it is done on the ways forming the street. So all other tags are addr:country, addr:city, addr:postcode, but the streetname goes into name. Everyone is free to add addr:street to the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Jan-willem De Bleser
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Jo wrote: > The associatedStreet relation has the streetname in 'name', not in > addr:street. I also found some relations where this was done incorrectly. > > It is possible to fix all of them in one go. Advise me if you want me to do > so. Do you mean fix associat

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium

2013-01-07 Thread Ivo De Broeck
I don't agree with that. Its necessary to have addr:street for every address. When you use potlatch on the computer or iLOE on your smartphone its easy to bring in new data or correct the data. The associated street is redundant (and as i saw in Bierbeek often wrong). For me it is most important t