Re: [OSM-talk-be] A12 motorway

2015-09-06 Thread Ruben Maes 
Saturday 05 September 2015 20:16:16, Erik Beerten:
> AX: te ontwerpen van N31 (Brugge - Blauwe Toren) tot N49/A11 (West-kapelle)"
Note that the AX has already changed ref and will join the A11. Eventually the 
A11 will go from Antwerp to Brugge Blauwe Toren.

http://www.a11verbindt.be/

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] A12 motorway

2015-09-05 Thread Erik Beerten 

Ter info:
In België zijn de gewesten verantwoordelijk voor de wegen. Voor 
Vlaanderen is er een bindende categorisering en opsomming van de 
belangrijke wegen Ruimtelijk Structuurplan Vlaanderen.
 
http://www2.vlaanderen.be/ruimtelijk/publicaties/docs/rsv_gecoordineerde_versie/RSV_Bindende%20bepalingen_w.pdf
Op de 15de pagina van dat document (pagina 491 van het volledige 
Structuurplan) vind je:

"Het Vlaams Gewest selecteert volgende wegvakken als hoofdweg:
R1 van A1 (Ekeren) tot A14 (Linkeroever)
R0 van A7 (Drogenbos) tot A7 (Ittre)
R2 van N49/A11 (Beveren) tot A12 (Stabroek)
A1 (E19) van R1(Ekeren) naar Breda
A1 (E19) van R0 (Machelen) tot R1 (Berchem)
A2 (E314)van A3 (Bertem) tot Nederlandse grens
A3 (E40) van R0 (Kraainem) naar Luik
A4 (E411) van R0 (Hoeilaart) naar Namen
A7 (E19) van R0 (Drogenbos) naar Bergen
A8 (E429) van R0 (Halle) naar Doornik
A10 (E40) van A18 (Jabbeke) tot R0 (Groot-Bijgaarden
A11/N49 van A18 (Westkapelle) tot A14 (Linkeroever)
A12 van A1 (Ekeren) naar Bergen op Zoom
A13 (E313) van R1 (Wijnegem) naar Luik
A14 (E17) van R1 (Antwerpen-LO) naar Rijsel
A17 van A10 (Oostkamp) tot A8 (Doornik)
A18 (E40) van A10 (Jabbeke) naar Duinkerke
A21 (E34) van A13 (Ranst) naar Eindhoven
A25 (E25) van Maastricht naar Luik
A102 : te ontwerpen van R1(Merksem) tot A13 (Wommelgem)
AX: te ontwerpen van N31 (Brugge - Blauwe Toren) tot N49/A11 (West-kapelle)"

Volgens de categorisering in het Structuurplan hebben Hoofdwegen de 
hoofdfunctie om internationaal te verbinden.
Overigens is het de categorising in het Vlaamse Structuurplan en de 
Uitvoeringsplannen en ook in de Provinciale Structuurplannen bindend en 
niet meer de N-nummering van de wegen, die nog dateert uit jaren 1980.


Groeten,

Erik


Op 04-09-15 om 15:16 schreef Ben Laenen:

Indeed, there's only one Belgian road number on a road, and for the
Antwerp Ring this is R1, not A1 which is completely wrong. If two
numbered roads join for a while before separating again, then only one
number is used for the shared part (as opposed to the Netherlands
where they can put multiple numbers on a road).

About the E-numbers, the Ring is part of some of them, although we're
in Belgium in this special situation where we're using E-numbers of
motorways as the main reference, but never use them on the R-roads. So
it's correct but a lot of people think it's odd that the Ring would be
labeled E19 and E34.


Ben


On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  wrote:

Hi,

I see thet the ring of Antwerp is incorporated in the relations of E19
(Amsterdam - Paris) and of the A1 (Flemish part of A19).
While the E-roads are a conceptual thing, this is understandable.

However the A-roads are a physical, real highway and they should be mapped
as indicated on eg. the km-markings.
That means that the ring around a city is a separate way: the R-roads and
not part of a A-road.

For this reason I would suggest to leave the A12 in 2 pieces and recommend
to remove the ring from the A1.

In any case:
- segment 3 is the end point of segment 6 and should be joined to it by
adding it and the missing piece of road between.
- same problem for segment 4 which should be joined to 6 with th missing
bridge part.

Regards,
Gerard.

Marc Gemis wrote:

Hallo,

I'm wondering whether the relation for the A12 should include the ringway in
Antwerp as well.
Right now, the relation consists of 2 separate sections, north and south of
Antwerp.
see http://osmrm.openstreetmap.de/relation.jsp?id=102684

Depending on the answer to that question, I might remove what is marked as
section 3, which is not connected to any other part.

regards

m


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] A12 motorway

2015-09-04 Thread Gerard Vanderveken 

Hi,

I see thet the ring of Antwerp is incorporated in the relations of E19 
 
(Amsterdam - Paris) and of the A1 
(Flemish part of A19).

While the E-roads are a conceptual thing, this is understandable.

However the A-roads are a physical, real highway and they should be 
mapped as indicated on eg. the km-markings.
That means that the ring around a city is a separate way: the R-roads 
and not part of a A-road.


For this reason I would suggest to leave the A12 in 2 pieces and 
recommend to remove the ring from the A1.


In any case:
- segment 3 is the end point of segment 6 and should be joined to it by 
adding it and the missing piece of road between.
- same problem for segment 4 which should be joined to 6 with th missing 
bridge part.


Regards,
Gerard.

Marc Gemis wrote:


Hallo,

I'm wondering whether the relation for the A12 should include the 
ringway in Antwerp as well.
Right now, the relation consists of 2 separate sections, north and 
south of Antwerp.

see http://osmrm.openstreetmap.de/relation.jsp?id=102684

Depending on the answer to that question, I might remove what is 
marked as section 3, which is not connected to any other part. 


regards

m



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[OSM-talk-be] A12 motorway

2015-09-04 Thread Marc Gemis 
Hallo,

I'm wondering whether the relation for the A12 should include the ringway
in Antwerp as well.
Right now, the relation consists of 2 separate sections, north and south of
Antwerp.
see http://osmrm.openstreetmap.de/relation.jsp?id=102684

Depending on the answer to that question, I might remove what is marked as
section 3, which is not connected to any other part.

regards

m
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] A12 motorway

2015-09-04 Thread Ben Laenen 
Indeed, there's only one Belgian road number on a road, and for the
Antwerp Ring this is R1, not A1 which is completely wrong. If two
numbered roads join for a while before separating again, then only one
number is used for the shared part (as opposed to the Netherlands
where they can put multiple numbers on a road).

About the E-numbers, the Ring is part of some of them, although we're
in Belgium in this special situation where we're using E-numbers of
motorways as the main reference, but never use them on the R-roads. So
it's correct but a lot of people think it's odd that the Ring would be
labeled E19 and E34.


Ben


On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I see thet the ring of Antwerp is incorporated in the relations of E19
> (Amsterdam - Paris) and of the A1 (Flemish part of A19).
> While the E-roads are a conceptual thing, this is understandable.
>
> However the A-roads are a physical, real highway and they should be mapped
> as indicated on eg. the km-markings.
> That means that the ring around a city is a separate way: the R-roads and
> not part of a A-road.
>
> For this reason I would suggest to leave the A12 in 2 pieces and recommend
> to remove the ring from the A1.
>
> In any case:
> - segment 3 is the end point of segment 6 and should be joined to it by
> adding it and the missing piece of road between.
> - same problem for segment 4 which should be joined to 6 with th missing
> bridge part.
>
> Regards,
> Gerard.
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> Hallo,
>
> I'm wondering whether the relation for the A12 should include the ringway in
> Antwerp as well.
> Right now, the relation consists of 2 separate sections, north and south of
> Antwerp.
> see http://osmrm.openstreetmap.de/relation.jsp?id=102684
>
> Depending on the answer to that question, I might remove what is marked as
> section 3, which is not connected to any other part.
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> 
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