Re: [OSM-talk-be] Housenumber collection and GPSsing GSMs
On 2013-02-19 05:30, Marc Gemis wrote : How up-to-date is this PICC database ? I randomly clicked on the map, and came in Orbais. There I see at least 15 houses without red rectangle. Does this mean that they are not in the database yet ? 15 houses out of how many? Where else did you see the houses? If you find out when the houses were built, then you have some answer to your question. What I can say is that no house of the very few I was interested in was missing. I determined that an aerial view they show is at least 12 years old. But the houses that are missing there are on this map. Quand on vous offre un cheval, on ne regarde pas les dents. Please note that the site is replaced by the following one. Their new maps are expectedly more up to date. But this is a warning. Compare them. If the old maps disappeared, we would lose very much. And this is a less obvious reason why it's important to get the permission to use them. Hoping this can help. Cheers, André. Le Portail cartographique de la Région wallonne est remplacé par le Géoportail de la Wallonie ! Le Portail cartographique de la Région wallonne méritait bien un petit coup de jeune. C’est désormais chose faite, puisqueson successeur est en ligne depuis peu. Découvrez dès à présent le nouveau *_Géoportail de la Wallonie http://geoportail.wallonie.be_*. En pratique : -Ne parlez plus de Portail cartographique de la Région wallonne mais de Géoportail de la Wallonie. -Remplacez vos liens pointant vers http://cartographie.wallonie.be par la nouvelle adresse http://geoportail.wallonie.be ! -Si vous ne trouvez pas sur le Géoportail de la Wallonie un contenu que vous aviez l’habitude de trouver sur l’ancien portail, n’hésitez pas à _nous contacter http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/home/contact.html_. -Le Portail cartographique de la Région wallonne restera encore en ligne pendant quelques mois afin de vous assurer une transition la plus douce possible. Toutefois certaines pages disposent déjà d'une redirection automatique vers le nouveau Géoportail de la Wallonie. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:25 PM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-18 10:51, Glenn Plas wrote : Since the meeting in Lier , I've been getting myself into the collection of housenumbers, I do have a few remarks / questions since starting this: - Accuracy of the GPS on Samsung S3 is low see 2 below. - Never trust Bing maps too much concerning aerial photo's, The deepest zoomlevel seem to be offset (where available) but also quite aged. I have mentioned many times (mailing lists and e-mail to taggers) that Bing zoom needs a per area JOSM offset correction. Its a pity to notice careful mappers devote so much time making maps offset because of Bing. - Editing takes 4 times as much time as walking the walk see 1 below (airplane speed). - Many people don't even care about hanging up their housenumbers. see 1 below. - Walking in the dark is a bad idea, and watch out for people who consider their housenumber a private property, be prepared to make a run for it. see 1 below. - Map caching does not work in OSMPAD - Always keep one eye for the road while scanning housenumbers, since they seem to define the landscape here I want to vote for the use of the tag 'barrier=dogshit', perhaps 'barrier=dogpile' for the larger concentrations. I saw people sticking little flags on dog poop but one still has to watch one's steps. There's an impressive amount of hardware http://www.befr.ebay.be/sch/i.html?LH_AvailTo=23_sop=15_ipg=200_kw=dog%20poop for that software, but nothing of what you need. Resist using bags and putting them in the letterboxes, even if that raises the discussion among the concerned people. But if you walk your own dog while prospecting numbers, you will feel the leash loosen at every danger ;-) questions - Do you know of any hardware that gives better GPS fixes and comes with the ease-of-use OSMPAD delivers on entering numbers ? - Are there any better tools/software around for this type of work on Android ? - What do you use? 1 The PICC maps http://cartocit1.wallonie.be/pw/index.jsp contains very precise building mapping with street numbers. You'll never do better than an airplane. This is one, just one, of the reasons why I say it's of paramount importance for us to be able to use PICC. People say that the government agrees to make it available but that they have no time to say yes. This is why I wait and I'm doing very limited house numbering business presently. 2 Does anyone have an opinion or recommendation about such cheap devices
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Housenumber collection and GPSsing GSMs
André, sorry that I sound so negative about this dataset. But since it is incomplete and although the next version will be more complete, it will be incomplete again. That's the nature of this kind of data. We still need people that go out in the field to make additions and corrections. How will you cope with this ? How will you merge existing data with the imported data ? how often will you do an import ? Who decides which data is correct ? How do keep existing POI data ? Do you have a plan for this ? I seriously hope that you are an experienced programmer who has merged geographical databases in the past. Otherwise you might get a lot of complaints the day that your import has run. Success with this project and hopefully you get the data soon. Until then, go out and survey, it's healthy :-) regards m On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013-02-19 05:30, Marc Gemis wrote : How up-to-date is this PICC database ? I randomly clicked on the map, and came in Orbais. There I see at least 15 houses without red rectangle. Does this mean that they are not in the database yet ? 15 houses out of how many? Where else did you see the houses? If you find out when the houses were built, then you have some answer to your question. What I can say is that no house of the very few I was interested in was missing. I determined that an aerial view they show is at least 12 years old. But the houses that are missing there are on this map. Quand on vous offre un cheval, on ne regarde pas les dents. Please note that the site is replaced by the following one. Their new maps are expectedly more up to date. But this is a warning. Compare them. If the old maps disappeared, we would lose very much. And this is a less obvious reason why it's important to get the permission to use them. Hoping this can help. Cheers, André. Le Portail cartographique de la Région wallonne est remplacé par le Géoportail de la Wallonie ! Le Portail cartographique de la Région wallonne méritait bien un petit coup de jeune. C’est désormais chose faite, puisque son successeur est en ligne depuis peu. Découvrez dès à présent le nouveau *Géoportail de la Walloniehttp://geoportail.wallonie.be *. En pratique : - Ne parlez plus de Portail cartographique de la Région wallonne mais de Géoportail de la Wallonie. - Remplacez vos liens pointant vers http://cartographie.wallonie.be par la nouvelle adresse http://geoportail.wallonie.be ! - Si vous ne trouvez pas sur le Géoportail de la Wallonie un contenu que vous aviez l’habitude de trouver sur l’ancien portail, n’hésitez pas à *nous contacter http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/home/contact.html*. - Le Portail cartographique de la Région wallonne restera encore en ligne pendant quelques mois afin de vous assurer une transition la plus douce possible. Toutefois certaines pages disposent déjà d'une redirection automatique vers le nouveau Géoportail de la Wallonie. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:25 PM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-18 10:51, Glenn Plas wrote : Since the meeting in Lier , I've been getting myself into the collection of housenumbers, I do have a few remarks / questions since starting this: - Accuracy of the GPS on Samsung S3 is low see 2 below. - Never trust Bing maps too much concerning aerial photo's, The deepest zoomlevel seem to be offset (where available) but also quite aged. I have mentioned many times (mailing lists and e-mail to taggers) that Bing zoom needs a per area JOSM offset correction. Its a pity to notice careful mappers devote so much time making maps offset because of Bing. - Editing takes 4 times as much time as walking the walk see 1 below (airplane speed). - Many people don't even care about hanging up their housenumbers. see 1 below. - Walking in the dark is a bad idea, and watch out for people who consider their housenumber a private property, be prepared to make a run for it. see 1 below. - Map caching does not work in OSMPAD - Always keep one eye for the road while scanning housenumbers, since they seem to define the landscape here I want to vote for the use of the tag 'barrier=dogshit', perhaps 'barrier=dogpile' for the larger concentrations. I saw people sticking little flags on dog poop but one still has to watch one's steps. There's an impressive amount of hardwarehttp://www.befr.ebay.be/sch/i.html?LH_AvailTo=23_sop=15_ipg=200_kw=dog%20poopfor that software, but nothing of what you need. Resist using bags and putting them in the letterboxes, even if that raises the discussion among the concerned people. But if you walk your own dog while prospecting numbers, you will feel the leash loosen at every danger ;-) questions - Do you know of any hardware that gives better GPS fixes and comes with the ease-of-use OSMPAD delivers on entering numbers ? - Are there any better tools/software
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Housenumber collection and GPSsing GSMs
On 2013-02-18 10:51, Glenn Plas wrote : Since the meeting in Lier , I've been getting myself into the collection of housenumbers, I do have a few remarks / questions since starting this: - Accuracy of the GPS on Samsung S3 is low see 2 below. - Never trust Bing maps too much concerning aerial photo's, The deepest zoomlevel seem to be offset (where available) but also quite aged. I have mentioned many times (mailing lists and e-mail to taggers) that Bing zoom needs a per area JOSM offset correction. Its a pity to notice careful mappers devote so much time making maps offset because of Bing. - Editing takes 4 times as much time as walking the walk see 1 below (airplane speed). - Many people don't even care about hanging up their housenumbers. see 1 below. - Walking in the dark is a bad idea, and watch out for people who consider their housenumber a private property, be prepared to make a run for it. see 1 below. - Map caching does not work in OSMPAD - Always keep one eye for the road while scanning housenumbers, since they seem to define the landscape here I want to vote for the use of the tag 'barrier=dogshit', perhaps 'barrier=dogpile' for the larger concentrations. I saw people sticking little flags on dog poop but one still has to watch one's steps. There's an impressive amount of hardware http://www.befr.ebay.be/sch/i.html?LH_AvailTo=23_sop=15_ipg=200_kw=dog%20poop for that software, but nothing of what you need. Resist using bags and putting them in the letterboxes, even if that raises the discussion among the concerned people. But if you walk your own dog while prospecting numbers, you will feel the leash loosen at every danger ;-) questions - Do you know of any hardware that gives better GPS fixes and comes with the ease-of-use OSMPAD delivers on entering numbers ? - Are there any better tools/software around for this type of work on Android ? - What do you use? 1 The PICC maps http://cartocit1.wallonie.be/pw/index.jsp contains very precise building mapping with street numbers. You'll never do better than an airplane. This is one, just one, of the reasons why I say it's of paramount importance for us to be able to use PICC. People say that the government agrees to make it available but that they have no time to say yes. This is why I wait and I'm doing very limited house numbering business presently. 2 Does anyone have an opinion or recommendation about such cheap devices http://www.tinydeal.com/index.php?main_page=ws_search_resultis_search=1inc_subcat=search_in_description=3keyword=wifi+gpsis_input=keyword=wifi+gpscPath=categories_id=54disp_order=3? (there are other similar shops) Usually, CN stuff is of fair quality but minimally documented and supported (e.g. no MP4 games). But that's different for Android, isn't it? 22€ means a risk of paying taxes, but, according to Test-Achats, it looks like it's only VAT. Cheers, André. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Housenumber collection and GPSsing GSMs
How up-to-date is this PICC database ? I randomly clicked on the map, and came in Orbais. There I see at least 15 houses without red rectangle. Does this mean that they are not in the database yet ? On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:25 PM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013-02-18 10:51, Glenn Plas wrote : Since the meeting in Lier , I've been getting myself into the collection of housenumbers, I do have a few remarks / questions since starting this: - Accuracy of the GPS on Samsung S3 is low see 2 below. - Never trust Bing maps too much concerning aerial photo's, The deepest zoomlevel seem to be offset (where available) but also quite aged. I have mentioned many times (mailing lists and e-mail to taggers) that Bing zoom needs a per area JOSM offset correction. Its a pity to notice careful mappers devote so much time making maps offset because of Bing. - Editing takes 4 times as much time as walking the walk see 1 below (airplane speed). - Many people don't even care about hanging up their housenumbers. see 1 below. - Walking in the dark is a bad idea, and watch out for people who consider their housenumber a private property, be prepared to make a run for it. see 1 below. - Map caching does not work in OSMPAD - Always keep one eye for the road while scanning housenumbers, since they seem to define the landscape here I want to vote for the use of the tag 'barrier=dogshit', perhaps 'barrier=dogpile' for the larger concentrations. I saw people sticking little flags on dog poop but one still has to watch one's steps. There's an impressive amount of hardwarehttp://www.befr.ebay.be/sch/i.html?LH_AvailTo=23_sop=15_ipg=200_kw=dog%20poopfor that software, but nothing of what you need. Resist using bags and putting them in the letterboxes, even if that raises the discussion among the concerned people. But if you walk your own dog while prospecting numbers, you will feel the leash loosen at every danger ;-) questions - Do you know of any hardware that gives better GPS fixes and comes with the ease-of-use OSMPAD delivers on entering numbers ? - Are there any better tools/software around for this type of work on Android ? - What do you use? 1 The PICC maps http://cartocit1.wallonie.be/pw/index.jsp contains very precise building mapping with street numbers. You'll never do better than an airplane. This is one, just one, of the reasons why I say it's of paramount importance for us to be able to use PICC. People say that the government agrees to make it available but that they have no time to say yes. This is why I wait and I'm doing very limited house numbering business presently. 2 Does anyone have an opinion or recommendation about such cheap deviceshttp://www.tinydeal.com/index.php?main_page=ws_search_resultis_search=1inc_subcat=search_in_description=3keyword=wifi+gpsis_input=keyword=wifi+gpscPath=categories_id=54disp_order=3? (there are other similar shops) Usually, CN stuff is of fair quality but minimally documented and supported (e.g. no MP4 games). But that's different for Android, isn't it? 22€ means a risk of paying taxes, but, according to Test-Achats, it looks like it's only VAT. Cheers, André. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
