Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to tag highway only emergency
The problem is that emergency is used for both access rules (a permission) and for features, see http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/emergency#values This means that you can never restrict/allow access to a feature in the emergency-tag group (fire stations, fire hydrants, etc.) for emergency-vehicles, in case you ever need this. You can't have emergency=some feature fire_station, water_tank, etc. vehicle=no emergency=yes on 1 object. don't know if someone want to do something like this, or whether it is useful at all. Still I think the two uses should use different keys. (e.g. use emergency_vehicle for permissions). regards m On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:13 PM, André Pirard a.pir...@ulg.ac.be wrote: On 2015-06-23 11:54, Marc Gemis wrote : On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com wrote: It is currently tagged vehicle=no + emergency=yes. I would go even further and say access=no + emergency=yes. The problem with this way of tagging access rights for emergency vehicles is that you cannot combine it with the other emergency tags. Suppose there is a water tank with only permission for emergency, you are stuck. while emergency=water_tank access= emergency works. That might be a reason to stop using emergency=yes for access and leave the emergency tag for features. IMHO, we should not combine a tag used for access rights and for features. p.s. the example above might not be the best. emergency=* is a permission. Stating a permission without a restriction is like doing nothing. GPS (routing) software will forbid nothing. As Rubin writes, a *=no is needed first to disallow something. vehicle=no emergency=yes Will disallow vehicles except emergency ones. Suppose there is a water tank with only permission for emergency, you are stuck. ... emergency=water_tank access= emergency What do you mean exactly? emergency=* and access=* can only used with yes or no. Else, GPS (routing) software will not understand. It means that the emergency category of vehicles is allowed, not that anything is allowed in case of emergency. GPS software uses strict logic to apply strict wiki rules. André. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to tag highway only emergency
It is currently tagged vehicle=no + emergency=yes. I would go even further and say access=no + emergency=yes. 2015-06-23 10:52 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: According to taginfo [1], it is used over 45.000 times so it is good. An alternative would be to use access=emergency, but that is used only 1620 times. The problem with emergency=yes is that there are a bunch of other tags that have nothing to do with access rights that are also tagged with emergency=xxx, e.g. fire hydrants The access=emergency is therefore a better solution IMHO [1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/emergency#values On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote: At Ieper new crossing under construction http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.87122/2.89731 From the south Briekestraat only emergency will be allowed to go on N38 Straight on tunnel only for bicycle en foot. How to tag highway only emergency http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency_vehicle_access this page still good ?? For the moment I used highway=service and emergency=yes selec 1 Algemeen toegang ??? selec 4 Alle voertuigen no ??? selec 12 Noodhulp yes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to tag highway only emergency
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com wrote: It is currently tagged vehicle=no + emergency=yes. I would go even further and say access=no + emergency=yes. The problem with this way of tagging access rights for emergency vehicles is that you cannot combine it with the other emergency tags. Suppose there is a water tank with only permission for emergency, you are stuck. while emergency=water_tank access= emergency works. That might be a reason to stop using emergency=yes for access and leave the emergency tag for features. IMHO, we should not combine a tag used for access rights and for features. p.s. the example above might not be the best. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] How to tag highway only emergency
At Ieper new crossing under construction http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.87122/2.89731 From the south Briekestraat only emergency will be allowed to go on N38 Straight on tunnel only for bicycle en foot. How to tag highway only emergency http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency_vehicle_access this page still good ?? For the moment I used highway=service and emergency=yes selec 1 Algemeen toegang ??? selec 4 Alle voertuigen no ??? selec 12 Noodhulp yes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] How to tag highway only emergency
According to taginfo [1], it is used over 45.000 times so it is good. An alternative would be to use access=emergency, but that is used only 1620 times. The problem with emergency=yes is that there are a bunch of other tags that have nothing to do with access rights that are also tagged with emergency=xxx, e.g. fire hydrants The access=emergency is therefore a better solution IMHO [1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/emergency#values On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote: At Ieper new crossing under construction http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.87122/2.89731 From the south Briekestraat only emergency will be allowed to go on N38 Straight on tunnel only for bicycle en foot. How to tag highway only emergency http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency_vehicle_access this page still good ?? For the moment I used highway=service and emergency=yes selec 1 Algemeen toegang ??? selec 4 Alle voertuigen no ??? selec 12 Noodhulp yes ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
