Re: [Talk-ca] Place Tagging

2019-01-24 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 24, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Danny McDonald wrote: > A place does not need to incorporated to be a place=town, city, village. > That is not how it works anywhere in OSM - there are many unincorporated > places with these tags, worldwide. The tagging in Ottawa is a good guide, > with e.g.

Re: [Talk-ca] Place Tagging

2019-01-24 Thread Danny McDonald
A place does not need to incorporated to be a place=town, city, village. That is not how it works anywhere in OSM - there are many unincorporated places with these tags, worldwide. The tagging in Ottawa is a good guide, with e.g. Richmond a village, but e.g. Centretown and Stittsville

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Place Reclassification needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread Martin Chalifoux via Talk-ca
I know in Quebec the place=village tag has been adopted to tag the municipalities other than town, cities and suburb, regardless of population. I think, but don’t know for sure, the main reason for this is actually the rendering engine(s). The place=village tag get a nice rendering that allow

Re: [Talk-ca] Place Tagging

2019-01-24 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Danny McDonald wrote: > My understanding of place tagging is that place=city, place=town, and > place=village are for distinct urban settlements, whether or not they are > separate municipalities. Correct, in that these tags can be placed upon a node, way or

[Talk-ca] Ongoing Place Reclassification needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread Danny McDonald
Repeating this, since it seemed to get bumped by all the building import talk. Now with a catchier subject line. DannyMcD My understanding of place tagging is that place=city, place=town, and place=village are for distinct urban settlements, whether or not they are separate municipalities.

Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Building imports wiki page

2019-01-24 Thread Nate Wessel
John, I mentioned several times in the various email threads that I planned to make substantial changes to the wiki. If you think something I added is a value judgment, I encourage you to point it out, on the wiki itself ideally. I think I've mostly been restructuring the page (without

[Talk-ca] Canada Building Import wiki page

2019-01-24 Thread Nate Wessel
Hi all, I just want to let everyone know that I moved the OSM wiki page for the Canadian building import, much discussed of late on this list. My hope is that this name is easier to search and more clearly conveys what we are trying to do. All history for the page is preserved and a

Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Building imports wiki page

2019-01-24 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 24, 2019, at 9:29 AM, john whelan wrote: > You seem to have made rather large changes without consultation including > changing the title of the project. You have also added some value judgments. > A number of people were involved in the original and it might have been nice > to

Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Building imports wiki page

2019-01-24 Thread john whelan
You seem to have made rather large changes without consultation including changing the title of the project. You have also added some value judgments. A number of people were involved in the original and it might have been nice to consult with them before making such drastic changes. The word

[Talk-ca] Fwd: Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread john whelan
We're over the 40 k limit again so I trimmed it. I get the impression that just adding the building outline or even an approximation of a building outline adds value to the map. My own house has a cantilever on the back so the upper story extends beyond the basement outline. It also has a porch

[Talk-ca] Canada Building imports wiki page

2019-01-24 Thread Nate Wessel
Hi all, Just a heads up that I've moved the page documenting the plan to import buildings across Canada, much discussed on this list of late. The idea is that the new title is more concise, easily searchable, and clearly explains what we're trying to do. All page history has been preserved

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread James
That is incorrect, some building parts could be bigger if they are surrounding the building as an overhang etc. You can't assume building will be bigger On Thu., Jan. 24, 2019, 11:51 a.m. Nate Wessel Is it sufficient to tag fragments as building:part without indicating > which part or how many

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread Yaro Shkvorets
>>It looks like perhaps we might just have to find the largest part for the footprint (building=yes) and any intersecting smaller buildings (building:part=yes). Yes, that's what I usually do. I also sometimes delete non-important building parts that don't add anything valuable to the map but only

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread Kevin Farrugia
Data is currently stored in OSM by mappers this way, regardless of the source. I don't think a height or which part is needed to use the building part tags. It provides the basis for later additions should a mapper be so inclined to add it. --- Kevin Farrugia On Thu., Jan. 24, 2019, 11:51

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread Nate Wessel
Is it sufficient to tag fragments as building:part without indicating which part or how many stories? If the data is properly structured, this seems like something that could be handled in preprocessing by checking for overlapping polygons. It looks like perhaps we might just have to find the

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread John Whelan
>they can be brought in from another source with better documentation / attribute tagging. (i.e. City of Toronto?) I understand The City of Toronto Open Data License has been submitted to the OSM Legal Working Group some time ago.  The Federal Government 2.0 license and the City of Ottawa

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread Yaro Shkvorets
OSM wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:part It's not in the import wiki though since whoever wrote it didn't know about it at the time. Here's what I mean by mapping 3D features in our case. Say there is a residential tower on a podium. In the StatsCan data usually you would

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread Nate Wessel
Hi Yaro, I just had a chance to look at the documentation on the source data and I wasn't able to find anything about 3D features or parts of buildings being mapped separately. Are you guessing here, or is there documentation on this? If so can you point us to it? In any case, the big

[Talk-ca] Place Tagging

2019-01-24 Thread Danny McDonald
My understanding of place tagging is that place=city, place=town, and place=village are for distinct urban settlements, whether or not they are separate municipalities. Place=suburb is for large parts of urban settlements (such as North York in Toronto, or Kanata in Ottawa). Whether to classify