Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

[John Whelan]

Are you confusing the availability of Open Data with an import?  Most 
imports need plans but just because Open Data is available does not mean 
the license is compatible nor that it will be imported.


My feeling is the wiki page lists open data and indicates if the license 
is compatible.


We do not need a plan for every potential source only those that someone 
is planing to import.


Cheerio John

OSM Volunteer stevea wrote on 2018-11-01 4:00 PM:

On Nov 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Дмитрий Киселев  wrote:

Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct 
license either separately or a note added to each entry.

Mmmm, not "only," an Import Plan is required, too.  That can be part of a wiki 
that describes the project in general or stands on its own as a separate wiki.  But it is 
required.

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Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

[John Whelan]

The Canadian Federal Government Open Data License is one of the few that 
has been formally approved by the legal working group.  I would have 
preferred to see it released through the Treasury Board's Open Data 
portal that way there is no question about the license but I accept 
Alessandro's statement it is released under that license.


In the same way that we do not import everything that CANVEC offers 
through the Treasury Board Open Data portal I think we need to examine 
and treat this data in the same way.  James has already made a comment 
on part of it.


There is a history of importing data from the TB Open Portal in small 
quantities on an Ad Hoc basis which makes drawing a line to say none of 
this data should be used unless there is an import plan that has been 
approved etc.


The pilot was different. There we did a formal import plan for Ottawa 
and the decision was taken by local Ottawa mappers to proceed and they 
did the import.


Importing everything that Stats Canada could find across Canada is a 
little different.  Who are the local mappers who make the decision to go 
ahead or not?  Remember that parts of Canada are closer to Europe than 
the west coast.


Should it be done using a grid?

Who should do it?  and that is an interesting question given that mapper 
resources are not unlimited and doing an import is more complex than 
running a maperthon with new mappers.


Cheerio John

Дмитрий Киселев wrote on 2018-11-01 3:47 PM:

Hi John,

Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the
correct license either separately or a note added to each entry.


what's the status of OGL-CA is it compatible or not,
or compatible with some restrictions or only for some datasets?

StatsCan just published building footprints dataset under OGL-CA it's 
of course quite controversial
do we want to import some parts of that dataset or not, but looks like 
there is no concerns about

license compatibility (at least on mailing list),
Is that true or not, or we don't have legal answer which we can rely on?

вс, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 11:52, John Whelan >:


Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the
correct license either separately or a note added to each entry. 
I have noticed before there is no authority listed on the wiki.

Cheerio John

Дмитрий Киселев wrote on 2018-10-21 10:28 AM:

About source, I suppose it's

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Open_Data [12]

вс, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 10:20, Frederik Ramm mailto:frede...@remote.org>>:

Hi,

there's a mapper in Canada - Darthmouthmapper - who seems to:

1. import data from a source he calls "Nova Scotia Open Data"
- I am not
aware of any imports discussion, and the source specification
is not
precise enough to determine the legal status of that. Judging
from past
changeset comments, whatever imports procedure is used must
have a
number of flaws.

2. import administrative boundaries

2a. as a mesh of closed ways (where most people would prefer
relations),

2b. with, among other things, the tags "_Shape_Area_=yes",
"addrcountry=Canada" (no colon!), "addr:postcode" (which is not
generally used for objects that do not represent an address), and
"type=land_area" (which is not generally used on closed ways).

2c. The combination of a level-8 admin boundary and
place=village is
also unusual (eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/616463020)
but I
cannot judge if this is normal in Canada. This is also used in
residential areas https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636390857
- is this
area really a "village"?

3. use a ton of is_in tags which are highly unusual nowadays

4. occasionally change existing relations (not ways) from
type=boundary
to type=land_area
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8417484/history)

5. add addr:postcode and addr:province to place=village nodes

6. revert corrections applied to this by other users,
claiming that "The
video and instructions state these can be part of the ways"

A number of people have complained in the past

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=698649
but many of the issues seem to be present still.

Before I ask him to fix this -- are any of the behaviours /
mapping
techniques outlined above somehow usual in Canada?

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

On Nov 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Дмитрий Киселев  wrote:
> Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct 
> license either separately or a note added to each entry.

Mmmm, not "only," an Import Plan is required, too.  That can be part of a wiki 
that describes the project in general or stands on its own as a separate wiki.  
But it is required.

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Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

[Дмитрий Киселев]

Hi John,

Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct
> license either separately or a note added to each entry.


what's the status of OGL-CA is it compatible or not,
or compatible with some restrictions or only for some datasets?

StatsCan just published building footprints dataset under OGL-CA it's of
course quite controversial
do we want to import some parts of that dataset or not, but looks like
there is no concerns about
license compatibility (at least on mailing list),
Is that true or not, or we don't have legal answer which we can rely on?

вс, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 11:52, John Whelan :

> Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct
> license either separately or a note added to each entry.  I have noticed
> before there is no authority listed on the wiki.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> Дмитрий Киселев wrote on 2018-10-21 10:28 AM:
>
> About source, I suppose it's
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Open_Data [12]
>
> вс, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 10:20, Frederik Ramm :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> there's a mapper in Canada - Darthmouthmapper - who seems to:
>>
>> 1. import data from a source he calls "Nova Scotia Open Data" - I am not
>> aware of any imports discussion, and the source specification is not
>> precise enough to determine the legal status of that. Judging from past
>> changeset comments, whatever imports procedure is used must have a
>> number of flaws.
>>
>> 2. import administrative boundaries
>>
>> 2a. as a mesh of closed ways (where most people would prefer relations),
>>
>> 2b. with, among other things, the tags "_Shape_Area_=yes",
>> "addrcountry=Canada" (no colon!), "addr:postcode" (which is not
>> generally used for objects that do not represent an address), and
>> "type=land_area" (which is not generally used on closed ways).
>>
>> 2c. The combination of a level-8 admin boundary and place=village is
>> also unusual (eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/616463020) but I
>> cannot judge if this is normal in Canada. This is also used in
>> residential areas https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636390857 - is this
>> area really a "village"?
>>
>> 3. use a ton of is_in tags which are highly unusual nowadays
>>
>> 4. occasionally change existing relations (not ways) from type=boundary
>> to type=land_area (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8417484/history
>> )
>>
>> 5. add addr:postcode and addr:province to place=village nodes
>>
>> 6. revert corrections applied to this by other users, claiming that "The
>> video and instructions state these can be part of the ways"
>>
>> A number of people have complained in the past
>>
>> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=698649
>> but many of the issues seem to be present still.
>>
>> Before I ask him to fix this -- are any of the behaviours / mapping
>> techniques outlined above somehow usual in Canada?
>>
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

[Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)]

Hi Janes, John and all,

Sure, it will be up to the OSM community to discuss, decide and organize as 
deemed appropriate.

The data are out there, released under one single open data lincese! (Open 
Government License - 
Canada)

My hope is that much more will follow soon!

Regards,
Alessandro

From: John Whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]
Sent: November-01-18 2:22 PM
To: talk-ca 
Cc: Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes 
sur les immeubles

I think on the OSM side we probably need to think this one through and get 
organised.

In Ottawa on the first import we went through all the steps to do the import 
including getting agreement with the local mappers and we were very fortunate 
in having an organised team of competent local mappers to do the import.

It went reasonably smoothly but there were some questions asked and one or two 
buildings were probably remapped which raised some eyebrows.  Since its been 
released under the federal government open data license licensing isn't an 
issue.

If we do nothing on the organising side then we will almost certainly get 
individuals importing Open Data in an ad hoc mode as has been happening in Nova 
Scotia recently.

My feeling is it would be better if mappers in the major cities / regions such 
as Toronto and Montreal took the lead for their cities / regions.

Cheerio John



Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) wrote on 2018-11-01 2:06 PM:

Released today!  / Diffusée aujourd’hui
Share with your networks ! / Partagez avec vos réseaux !


***(EN)
Open Building Data: an exploratory initiative
This exploratory initiative aims at enhancing the use and harmonization of open 
building data from government sources for the purpose of contributing to the 
creation of a complete, comprehensive and open database of buildings in Canada. 
The outcome of this exploratory work is a first version of the Open Database of 
Buildings 
(ODB), a centralized and harmonized repository of building data made available 
under the Open Government License - 
Canada.
This initiative originates from insights taken from the Statistics Canada pilot 
project on 
data crowdsourcing, which used OpenStreetMap as a platform for integrating data 
on building footprints. In addition to the possible benefits of crowdsourcing, 
that project highlighted the potential of integrating open data from municipal, 
regional, and provincial governments to meet the needs of official statistics.
In its current version (version 1.0), the ODB contains approximately 4.3 
million building footprints.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/index
Open Database of 
Buildings (ODB),

*** (FR)
Données ouvertes sur les immeubles : une initiative exploratoire
Cette initiative exploratoire vise à accroître l'utilisation et l'harmonisation 
des données ouvertes sur les immeubles provenant de sources gouvernementales en 
vue de contribuer à la mise en œuvre d'une base de données complète, exhaustive 
et ouverte sur les immeubles au Canada. Le travail exploratoire a mené à la 
création d'une première version de la Base de données ouverte sur les 
immeubles
 (BDOI), un référentiel centralisé et harmonisé des données sur les immeubles 
rendu public en vertu de la Licence du gouvernement ouvert du 
Canada.
Cette initiative est fondée sur les leçons tirées du projet pilote de 
Statistique 
Canada
 sur l'approche participative en matière de données, qui avait employé 
OpenStreetMap comme plateforme d'intégration des données sur les empreintes 
d'immeubles. En plus des avantages potentiels de l'approche participative, ce 
projet a mis en lumière la possibilité d'intégrer les données ouvertes des 
administrations publiques municipales, régionales et provinciales afin de 
répondre aux besoins en matière de statistiques officielles.
Dans sa version actuelle (version 1.0), la BDOI contient environ 4,3 millions 
d'empreintes d'immeubles.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/index

Base de données ouverte sur les 
immeubles
 (BDOI)


Alessandro Alasia
Chief | Chef
Data Exploration and Integration Lab (DEIL) | Lab pour l’exploration et 
l’intégration de données (LEID)
Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les 
entreprises
Statistics Canada | Statistique Canada

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

Additionally, the greater OSM community looks forward to your Import Plan that 
follows our Import Guidelines ( 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines ).

Regards,
SteveA
California

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 11:22 AM, John Whelan  wrote:
> 
> I think on the OSM side we probably need to think this one through and get 
> organised.
> 
> In Ottawa on the first import we went through all the steps to do the import 
> including getting agreement with the local mappers and we were very fortunate 
> in having an organised team of competent local mappers to do the import.
> 
> It went reasonably smoothly but there were some questions asked and one or 
> two buildings were probably remapped which raised some eyebrows.  Since its 
> been released under the federal government open data license licensing isn't 
> an issue.
> 
> If we do nothing on the organising side then we will almost certainly get 
> individuals importing Open Data in an ad hoc mode as has been happening in 
> Nova Scotia recently.
> 
> My feeling is it would be better if mappers in the major cities / regions 
> such as Toronto and Montreal took the lead for their cities / regions. 
> 
> Cheerio John
> 
> 
> 
> Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) wrote on 2018-11-01 2:06 PM:
>> Released today!  / Diffusée aujourd’hui 
>> Share with your networks ! / Partagez avec vos réseaux !
>>  
>>  
>> ***(EN)
>> Open Building Data: an exploratory initiative
>> This exploratory initiative aims at enhancing the use and harmonization of 
>> open building data from government sources for the purpose of contributing 
>> to the creation of a complete, comprehensive and open database of buildings 
>> in Canada. The outcome of this exploratory work is a first version of the 
>> Open Database of Buildings (ODB), a centralized and harmonized repository of 
>> building data made available under the Open Government License - Canada.
>> This initiative originates from insights taken from the Statistics Canada 
>> pilot project on data crowdsourcing, which used OpenStreetMap as a platform 
>> for integrating data on building footprints. In addition to the possible 
>> benefits of crowdsourcing, that project highlighted the potential of 
>> integrating open data from municipal, regional, and provincial governments 
>> to meet the needs of official statistics.
>> In its current version (version 1.0), the ODB contains approximately 4.3 
>> million building footprints. 
>> https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/index
>> Open Database of Buildings (ODB),
>>  
>> *** (FR)
>> Données ouvertes sur les immeubles : une initiative exploratoire
>> Cette initiative exploratoire vise à accroître l'utilisation et 
>> l'harmonisation des données ouvertes sur les immeubles provenant de sources 
>> gouvernementales en vue de contribuer à la mise en œuvre d'une base de 
>> données complète, exhaustive et ouverte sur les immeubles au Canada. Le 
>> travail exploratoire a mené à la création d'une première version de la Base 
>> de données ouverte sur les immeubles (BDOI), un référentiel centralisé et 
>> harmonisé des données sur les immeubles rendu public en vertu de la Licence 
>> du gouvernement ouvert du Canada.
>> Cette initiative est fondée sur les leçons tirées du projet pilote de 
>> Statistique Canada sur l'approche participative en matière de données, qui 
>> avait employé OpenStreetMap comme plateforme d'intégration des données sur 
>> les empreintes d'immeubles. En plus des avantages potentiels de l'approche 
>> participative, ce projet a mis en lumière la possibilité d'intégrer les 
>> données ouvertes des administrations publiques municipales, régionales et 
>> provinciales afin de répondre aux besoins en matière de statistiques 
>> officielles.
>> Dans sa version actuelle (version 1.0), la BDOI contient environ 4,3 
>> millions d'empreintes d'immeubles.
>> https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/index
>>  
>> Base de données ouverte sur les immeubles (BDOI)
>>  
>>  
>> Alessandro Alasia 
>> Chief | Chef
>> Data Exploration and Integration Lab (DEIL) | Lab pour l’exploration et 
>> l’intégration de données (LEID)
>> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les 
>> entreprises
>> Statistics Canada | Statistique Canada
>> alessandro.ala...@canada.ca / (613) 796-6049
>>  
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Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

[John Whelan]

I think on the OSM side we probably need to think this one through and 
get organised.


In Ottawa on the first import we went through all the steps to do the 
import including getting agreement with the local mappers and we were 
very fortunate in having an organised team of competent local mappers to 
do the import.


It went reasonably smoothly but there were some questions asked and one 
or two buildings were probably remapped which raised some eyebrows.  
Since its been released under the federal government open data license 
licensing isn't an issue.


If we do nothing on the organising side then we will almost certainly 
get individuals importing Open Data in an ad hoc mode as has been 
happening in Nova Scotia recently.


My feeling is it would be better if mappers in the major cities / 
regions such as Toronto and Montreal took the lead for their cities / 
regions.


Cheerio John



Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) wrote on 2018-11-01 2:06 PM:

*Released today**!  /Diffus**é**e**aujourd**’h**ui *
Share with your networks ! / Partagez avec vos réseaux !
***(EN)
*Open Building Data: an exploratory initiative*
This exploratory initiative aims at enhancing the use and 
harmonization of open building data from government sources for the 
purpose of contributing to the creation of a complete, comprehensive 
and open database of buildings in Canada. The outcome of this 
exploratory work is a first version of the _Open Database of 
Buildings_ 
 (ODB), 
a centralized and harmonized repository of building data made 
available under the _Open Government License - Canada_ 
.
This initiative originates from insights taken from the _Statistics 
Canada pilot project_ 
 
on data crowdsourcing, which used OpenStreetMap as a platform for 
integrating data on building footprints. In addition to the possible 
benefits of crowdsourcing, that project highlighted the potential of 
integrating open data from municipal, regional, and provincial 
governments to meet the needs of official statistics.
In its current version (version 1.0), the ODB contains approximately 
4.3 million building footprints.

_https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/index_
_Open Database of Buildings_ 
 (ODB),

*** (FR)
*Données ouvertes sur les immeubles : une initiative exploratoire*
Cette initiative exploratoire vise à accroître l'utilisation et 
l'harmonisation des données ouvertes sur les immeubles provenant de 
sources gouvernementales en vue de contribuer à la mise en œuvre d'une 
base de données complète, exhaustive et ouverte sur les immeubles au 
Canada. Le travail exploratoire a mené à la création d'une première 
version de la _Base de données ouverte sur les immeubles_ 
 
(BDOI), un référentiel centralisé et harmonisé des données sur les 
immeubles rendu public en vertu de la _Licence du gouvernement ouvert 
du Canada_ 
.
Cette initiative est fondée sur les leçons tirées du _projet pilote de 
Statistique Canada_ 
 
sur l'approche participative en matière de données, qui avait employé 
OpenStreetMap comme plateforme d'intégration des données sur les 
empreintes d'immeubles. En plus des avantages potentiels de l'approche 
participative, ce projet a mis en lumière la possibilité d'intégrer 
les données ouvertes des administrations publiques municipales, 
régionales et provinciales afin de répondre aux besoins en matière de 
statistiques officielles.
Dans sa version actuelle (version 1.0), la BDOI contient environ 
4,3 millions d'empreintes d'immeubles.

_https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/index_
_Base de données ouverte sur les immeubles_ 
(BDOI)

Alessandro Alasia
Chief | Chef
Data Exploration and Integration Lab (DEIL) | Lab pour l’exploration 
et l’intégration de données (LEID)
Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur 
les entreprises

Statistics Canada | Statistique Canada
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Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

[James]

We were actually talking about that on the osmcanada slack channel this
morning.

If we wanted to use said data it would have to be evaluated city by city
not as a whole data source.

There are providers(Ottawa, Yellowknife, Montreal for example) that are
already pretty well mapped in OSM where others(Rimouski) that only have a
couple building in OSM.

And as the data quality can vary provider to provider, it would probably be
best to evaluate data quality city by city

On Thu., Nov. 1, 2018, 2:08 p.m. Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN), <
alessandro.ala...@canada.ca> wrote:

> *Released today**!  /* *Diffus**é**e** aujourd**’h**ui *
> Share with your networks ! / Partagez avec vos réseaux !
>
>
> ***(EN)
> *Open Building Data: an exploratory initiative*
> This exploratory initiative aims at enhancing the use and harmonization of
> open building data from government sources for the purpose of contributing
> to the creation of a complete, comprehensive and open database of buildings
> in Canada. The outcome of this exploratory work is a first version of the 
> *Open
> Database of Buildings*
>  (ODB), a
> centralized and harmonized repository of building data made available under
> the *Open Government License - Canada*
> .
> This initiative originates from insights taken from the *Statistics
> Canada pilot project*
>  on
> data crowdsourcing, which used OpenStreetMap as a platform for integrating
> data on building footprints. In addition to the possible benefits of
> crowdsourcing, that project highlighted the potential of integrating open
> data from municipal, regional, and provincial governments to meet the needs
> of official statistics.
> In its current version (version 1.0), the ODB contains approximately
> 4.3 million building footprints.
> *https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/index*
> 
> *Open Database of Buildings*
>  (ODB),
>
> *** (FR)
> *Données ouvertes sur les immeubles : une initiative exploratoire*
> Cette initiative exploratoire vise à accroître l'utilisation et
> l'harmonisation des données ouvertes sur les immeubles provenant de sources
> gouvernementales en vue de contribuer à la mise en œuvre d'une base de
> données complète, exhaustive et ouverte sur les immeubles au Canada. Le
> travail exploratoire a mené à la création d'une première version de la *Base
> de données ouverte sur les immeubles*
> 
> (BDOI), un référentiel centralisé et harmonisé des données sur les
> immeubles rendu public en vertu de la *Licence du gouvernement ouvert du
> Canada*
> .
> Cette initiative est fondée sur les leçons tirées du *projet pilote de
> Statistique Canada*
> 
> sur l'approche participative en matière de données, qui avait employé
> OpenStreetMap comme plateforme d'intégration des données sur les empreintes
> d'immeubles. En plus des avantages potentiels de l'approche participative,
> ce projet a mis en lumière la possibilité d'intégrer les données ouvertes
> des administrations publiques municipales, régionales et provinciales afin
> de répondre aux besoins en matière de statistiques officielles.
> Dans sa version actuelle (version 1.0), la BDOI contient environ
> 4,3 millions d'empreintes d'immeubles.
> *https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/index*
> 
>
> *Base de données ouverte sur les immeubles*
> 
> (BDOI)
>
>
> Alessandro Alasia
> Chief | Chef
> Data Exploration and Integration Lab (DEIL) | Lab pour l’exploration et
> l’intégration de données (LEID)
> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les
> entreprises
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> 796-6049
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[Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

[Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)]

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***(EN)
Open Building Data: an exploratory initiative

This exploratory initiative aims at enhancing the use and harmonization of open 
building data from government sources for the purpose of contributing to the 
creation of a complete, comprehensive and open database of buildings in Canada. 
The outcome of this exploratory work is a first version of the Open Database of 
Buildings 
(ODB), a centralized and harmonized repository of building data made available 
under the Open Government License - 
Canada.
This initiative originates from insights taken from the Statistics Canada pilot 
project on 
data crowdsourcing, which used OpenStreetMap as a platform for integrating data 
on building footprints. In addition to the possible benefits of crowdsourcing, 
that project highlighted the potential of integrating open data from municipal, 
regional, and provincial governments to meet the needs of official statistics.

In its current version (version 1.0), the ODB contains approximately 4.3 
million building footprints.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/index
Open Database of 
Buildings (ODB),

***  (FR)
Données ouvertes sur les immeubles : une initiative exploratoire

Cette initiative exploratoire vise à accroître l'utilisation et l'harmonisation 
des données ouvertes sur les immeubles provenant de sources gouvernementales en 
vue de contribuer à la mise en œuvre d'une base de données complète, exhaustive 
et ouverte sur les immeubles au Canada. Le travail exploratoire a mené à la 
création d'une première version de la Base de données ouverte sur les 
immeubles
 (BDOI), un référentiel centralisé et harmonisé des données sur les immeubles 
rendu public en vertu de la Licence du gouvernement ouvert du 
Canada.
Cette initiative est fondée sur les leçons tirées du projet pilote de 
Statistique 
Canada
 sur l'approche participative en matière de données, qui avait employé 
OpenStreetMap comme plateforme d'intégration des données sur les empreintes 
d'immeubles. En plus des avantages potentiels de l'approche participative, ce 
projet a mis en lumière la possibilité d'intégrer les données ouvertes des 
administrations publiques municipales, régionales et provinciales afin de 
répondre aux besoins en matière de statistiques officielles.
Dans sa version actuelle (version 1.0), la BDOI contient environ 4,3 millions 
d'empreintes d'immeubles.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/index

Base de données ouverte sur les 
immeubles
 (BDOI)


Alessandro Alasia
Chief | Chef
Data Exploration and Integration Lab (DEIL) | Lab pour l’exploration et 
l’intégration de données (LEID)
Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les 
entreprises
Statistics Canada | Statistique Canada
alessandro.ala...@canada.ca / (613) 796-6049


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Re: [Talk-ca] Dartmouthmapmaker

[Andrew Lester]

I'm not sure how helpful that article would be, considering that it focuses on 
building tagging, but this user is primarily working on admin boundaries and 
highways. 

John, I'm surprised that you were able to successfully have a discussion with 
them. A number of other contributors have tried to communicate with them 
through various means, but they either didn't respond or responded in a way 
that demonstrates they clearly don't understand what's happening. The fact that 
they refused to communicate is what led to the current block, and I'm not 
confident that they'll suddenly change their ways once the block ends. I guess 
we'll see what happens in a couple of days. 

Andrew Lester 
Victoria, BC 


From: "OSM Volunteer stevea"  
To: "john whelan" , "talk-ca" 
 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 9:54:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Dartmouthmapmaker 

Being as gentle (though not local) as I can be, I continue to assert that our 
wiki for BC2020 in general and 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_that_could_be_mapped
 as a specific section IN that wiki (calling attention to these tags, with 
hundreds of potential values): 

building 
man_made 
addr 
start_date 
entrance 
amenity 
and others 

might prove very helpful starting points. Often the simple act of reading OSM's 
built-in wiki documentation is one of the best, if not THE best starting point. 
Of course, talk- mailing lists, our forum and many other sources of 
advice/documentation/help are available, too. 

Regards. 
SteveA 
California 

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 9:40 AM, john whelan  wrote: 
> I've discussed the Open Data side with them but I think they could do with a 
> bit of guidence on the tagging side. Could someone ideally more local than I 
> point them gently towards map features and more standard tagging? 
> 
> I must confess my knowledge of tagging is a little limited to highways and 
> buildings. 
> 
> I get the impression they are open to dialog if treated gently. 
> 
> Thanks John 
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Re: [Talk-ca] Dartmouthmapmaker

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

Being as gentle (though not local) as I can be, I continue to assert that our 
wiki for BC2020 in general and 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_that_could_be_mapped
 as a specific section IN that wiki (calling attention to these tags, with 
hundreds of potential values):

building
man_made
addr
start_date
entrance
amenity
and others

might prove very helpful starting points.  Often the simple act of reading 
OSM's built-in wiki documentation is one of the best, if not THE best starting 
point.  Of course, talk- mailing lists, our forum and many other sources of 
advice/documentation/help are available, too.

Regards.
SteveA
California

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 9:40 AM, john whelan  wrote:
> I've discussed the Open Data side with them but I think they could do with a 
> bit of guidence on the tagging side.  Could someone ideally more local than I 
> point them gently towards map features and more standard tagging?
> 
> I must confess my knowledge of tagging is a little limited to highways and 
> buildings.
> 
> I get the impression they are open to dialog if treated gently.
> 
> Thanks John
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> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
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[Talk-ca] Dartmouthmapmaker

[john whelan]

I've discussed the Open Data side with them but I think they could do with
a bit of guidence on the tagging side.  Could someone ideally more local
than I point them gently towards map features and more standard tagging?

I must confess my knowledge of tagging is a little limited to highways and
buildings.

I get the impression they are open to dialog if treated gently.

Thanks John
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