Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers
Great overview of OSM and tools for working with the data. How could this open data that includes school latitude and longitude be used for a building mapping project in OSM? School Information and Student Demographics . https://www.ontario.ca/data/school-information-and-student-demographics Jonathan From: Pierre Béland Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:28 AM To: Jonathan Brown; John Whelan Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers http://jakobmiksch.eu/post/openstreetmap_overview/ Pierre Le samedi 24 novembre 2018 10 h 24 min 06 s HNE, John Whelan a écrit : http://teachosm.org/en/ Might be of some use. Cheerio John Jonathan Brown wrote on 2018-11-22 7:45 PM: Alessandro had some engineering profs from the University of Rome working with a local high school for testing the mobile app used for BC2020. Here’s a Comenius program for Life Long Learning of the European Union EU. The official title of the project is: "To boost local and international tourism with OpenStreetMap". The project's acronym is: "BoostOSM" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Life_Long_Learning_Mapping_Project Jonathan From: John Whelan Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:08 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: BC2020 and School Mappers I hadn't thought about the programming side but C# certainly can be useful. https://www.jatws.org/openstreetmap/openstreetmap.html It needs visual studio 2017 but it has a sample program from which other programs looking for other things could be written. I think that would be high school level though. There has been some work in creating activities for schools in OSM but they would need chasing down. Cheerio John Jonathan Brown wrote on 2018-11-22 6:33 PM: Climate change planning would be good. That topic could be linked to the UN sustainable development goals. Also, in Ontario there is a big need to incorporate math skills into learning by doing (e.g., http://www.barbareeduke.com/ccmath/mathactivities.htm (adapted for OSM), or for postsecondary GIS and programming for computer science courses. At CivicTech Toronto Meetup last Tuesday someone pointed out David MacKay’s book Sustainable Energy: Without Hot Air https://withouthotair.com/ Jonathan From: john whelan Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:46 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers So what do we need? A hook of some type to build on? An inventory of buildings for climate change planning? I understand in many cities some 80% of apartment buildings are forty years old now and identifying them and upgrading them would help with climate change emissions. Unfortunately they tend to be privately owned and coaxing landlords to invest money is not easy. An introduction to basic stats? I'm not a teacher but I'm sure we can sort something out. We do have a tasking manager that covers Canada so tiles can be set up for a local area. I suggest an import first then something after that. Thoughts Thanks John On Thu, 22 Nov 2018, 5:22 pm Jonathan Brown https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Sent from Postbox -- Sent from Postbox ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers
http://jakobmiksch.eu/post/openstreetmap_overview/ Pierre Le samedi 24 novembre 2018 10 h 24 min 06 s HNE, John Whelan a écrit : http://teachosm.org/en/ Might be of some use. Cheerio John Jonathan Brown wrote on 2018-11-22 7:45 PM: Alessandro had some engineering profs from the University of Rome working with a local high school for testing the mobile app used for BC2020. Here’s a Comenius program for Life Long Learning of the European Union EU. The official title of the project is: "To boost local and international tourism with OpenStreetMap". The project's acronym is: "BoostOSM" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Life_Long_Learning_Mapping_Project Jonathan From: John Whelan Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:08 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: BC2020 and School Mappers I hadn't thought about the programming side but C# certainly can be useful. https://www.jatws.org/openstreetmap/openstreetmap.html It needs visual studio 2017 but it has a sample program from which other programs looking for other things could be written. I think that would be high school level though. There has been some work in creating activities for schools in OSM but they would need chasing down. Cheerio John Jonathan Brown wrote on 2018-11-22 6:33 PM: Climate change planning would be good. That topic could be linked to the UN sustainable development goals. Also, in Ontario there is a big need to incorporate math skills into learning by doing (e.g., http://www.barbareeduke.com/ccmath/mathactivities.htm (adapted for OSM), or for postsecondary GIS and programming for computer science courses. At CivicTech Toronto Meetup last Tuesday someone pointed out David MacKay’s book Sustainable Energy: Without Hot Air https://withouthotair.com/ Jonathan From: john whelan Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:46 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers So what do we need? A hook of some type to build on? An inventory of buildings for climate change planning? I understand in many cities some 80% of apartment buildings are forty years old now and identifying them and upgrading them would help with climate change emissions. Unfortunately they tend to be privately owned and coaxing landlords to invest money is not easy. An introduction to basic stats? I'm not a teacher but I'm sure we can sort something out. We do have a tasking manager that covers Canada so tiles can be set up for a local area. I suggest an import first then something after that. Thoughts Thanks John On Thu, 22 Nov 2018, 5:22 pm Jonathan Brown https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Sent from Postbox -- Sent from Postbox___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers
I hadn't thought about the programming side but C# certainly can be useful. https://www.jatws.org/openstreetmap/openstreetmap.html It needs visual studio 2017 but it has a sample program from which other programs looking for other things could be written. I think that would be high school level though. There has been some work in creating activities for schools in OSM but they would need chasing down. Cheerio John Jonathan Brown wrote on 2018-11-22 6:33 PM: Climate change planning would be good. That topic could be linked to the UN sustainable development goals. Also, in Ontario there is a big need to incorporate math skills into learning by doing (e.g., http://www.barbareeduke.com/ccmath/mathactivities.htm (adapted for OSM), or for postsecondary GIS and programming <https://www.gislounge.com/learning-programming-for-gis/> for computer science courses. At CivicTech Toronto Meetup last Tuesday someone pointed out David MacKay’s book Sustainable Energy: Without Hot Air https://withouthotair.com/ Jonathan *From: *john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> *Sent: *Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:46 PM *To: *Jonathan Brown <mailto:jonab...@gmail.com> *Cc: *Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers So what do we need? A hook of some type to build on? An inventory of buildings for climate change planning? I understand in many cities some 80% of apartment buildings are forty years old now and identifying them and upgrading them would help with climate change emissions. Unfortunately they tend to be privately owned and coaxing landlords to invest money is not easy. An introduction to basic stats? I'm not a teacher but I'm sure we can sort something out. We do have a tasking manager that covers Canada so tiles can be set up for a local area. I suggest an import first then something after that. Thoughts Thanks John On Thu, 22 Nov 2018, 5:22 pm Jonathan Brown <mailto:jonab...@gmail.com> wrote: “Should we try to tailor the information on Building 2020 towards inexperienced mappers to make it easier for schools etc to get involved?” Good idea, John. We need a process similar to HOT for local beginners and maybe a way of connecting the mapping to a sustainable development challenge in the community. Jonathan ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Sent from Postbox <https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=email_medium=siglink_campaign=reach> ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers
Climate change planning would be good. That topic could be linked to the UN sustainable development goals. Also, in Ontario there is a big need to incorporate math skills into learning by doing (e.g., http://www.barbareeduke.com/ccmath/mathactivities.htm (adapted for OSM), or for postsecondary GIS and programming for computer science courses. At CivicTech Toronto Meetup last Tuesday someone pointed out David MacKay’s book Sustainable Energy: Without Hot Air https://withouthotair.com/ Jonathan From: john whelan Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:46 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers So what do we need? A hook of some type to build on? An inventory of buildings for climate change planning? I understand in many cities some 80% of apartment buildings are forty years old now and identifying them and upgrading them would help with climate change emissions. Unfortunately they tend to be privately owned and coaxing landlords to invest money is not easy. An introduction to basic stats? I'm not a teacher but I'm sure we can sort something out. We do have a tasking manager that covers Canada so tiles can be set up for a local area. I suggest an import first then something after that. Thoughts Thanks John On Thu, 22 Nov 2018, 5:22 pm Jonathan Brown https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers
Peut-être commencer par proposer aux écoles, universités etc. des informations leur permettant de s'initier à la cartographie numérique actuelle. Éditer, cela est très pointu comme initiation et la très grande majorité quittent après quelques heures laissant des données de mauvaise qualité De fait, ne s'intéressent-ils pas d'abord à ce fameux Web 2.0, OpenSource, OpenData avec internet, ordinateurs, téléphones et tabletes, et les nouveaux modes sociaux de collaboration? Il y a aussi les outils d'analyse tel QGIS, les outils de requête, toutes les thématiques préssentes sur OSM. Ce domaine évolue rapidement et les contributeurs OSM et développeurs collaborent avec gouvernements, organismes internationaux etc. Il est aussi possible d'initier avec des journées thématiques où on visite un quartier ou village pour mieux le documenter. De telles journées sont aussi l'occasion d'initier par des discussions au monde de la cartographie numérique. Les projets cartographiques devraient venir ensuite et être mieux planifiés, en proposant du matériel et démarche pour un minimum de formation avant de cartographier. Beaucoup de contributeurs OSM sont réticents aux opérations marketing de HOT où on invite tous et chacun à venir tracer sur la carte. De grands chiffres de conribution. Mais quelle qualité ? Les organisateurs de mapathons ne devraient pas avoir des connaissances limitées d'OSM. Ils devraient aussi avoir un plan de formation. Le risque comme on l'a vu trop souvent est que de nouveaux contributeurs s'initient à OSM en démarrant immédiatement la cartographie sans aucune connaissance et quittent après quelques heures, laissant souvent un nombre élevé d'erreurs. Avez-vous vu l'Analyse Qualité de la géométrie que j'ai produite à partir de 25 projets cartographiques HOT ? Habituellement dans une municipalité, on ne retrouve qu'un faible pourcentage, nettement moins de 10% d'immeubles avec formes irrégulières (angles autres que 90°). Beaucoup de projets avaient des taux supérieurs à 10%. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2018-September/081392.html Pierre Le jeudi 22 novembre 2018 17 h 21 min 27 s HNE, Jonathan Brown a écrit : “Should we try to tailor the information on Building 2020 towards inexperienced mappers to make it easier for schools etc to get involved?” Good idea, John. We need a process similar to HOT for local beginners and maybe a way of connecting the mapping to a sustainable development challenge in the community. Jonathan ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers
So what do we need? A hook of some type to build on? An inventory of buildings for climate change planning? I understand in many cities some 80% of apartment buildings are forty years old now and identifying them and upgrading them would help with climate change emissions. Unfortunately they tend to be privately owned and coaxing landlords to invest money is not easy. An introduction to basic stats? I'm not a teacher but I'm sure we can sort something out. We do have a tasking manager that covers Canada so tiles can be set up for a local area. I suggest an import first then something after that. Thoughts Thanks John On Thu, 22 Nov 2018, 5:22 pm Jonathan Brown “Should we try to tailor the information on Building 2020 towards > inexperienced mappers to make it easier for schools etc to get involved?” > > > > Good idea, John. We need a process similar to HOT for local beginners and > maybe a way of connecting the mapping to a sustainable development > challenge in the community. > > > > Jonathan > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers
“Should we try to tailor the information on Building 2020 towards inexperienced mappers to make it easier for schools etc to get involved?” Good idea, John. We need a process similar to HOT for local beginners and maybe a way of connecting the mapping to a sustainable development challenge in the community. Jonathan ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
