[Talk-ca] Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state

2018-02-16 Thread Matthew Darwin
Hi all, During the discussion of cleaning up municipality names in Canada, it was suggested that the addr:city could be removed entirely if the appropriate boundaries are defined.   I would hazard to guess (and will endeavour to investigate) that the addr:city and the boundaries do not always

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Matthew Darwin
To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being changed (remove "City of" or "City Of").   Once that is done, I'll come back with the next batch to process... The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful consideration to ensure the necessary boun

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread James
Nice work, I forgot to mention that removing City Of makes bilingual procesaing easier too. As you wont have "Ville de City of Toronto" On Feb 16, 2018 12:43 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being > changed (remove "City of" or "City

Re: [Talk-ca] Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state

2018-02-16 Thread Alan Richards
I typically remove these tags when I come across them, as yes, I've heard the same argument that they're redundant. I like all this cleanup you've been doing with phone numbers, addresses, etc. Kudos! On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > Hi all, > > During the discussion of

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > St. Catharines, St. Thomas, Sault Ste. Marie I dislike sounding nit-picky, this really is meant as constructive criticism, but let's expand these names so there are no abbreviations. Our wiki https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Names says "If the name

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread James
http://saultstemarie.ca/ thats how its written. even on signs to there On Feb 16, 2018 3:47 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > > St. Catharines, St. Thomas, Sault Ste. Marie > > I dislike sounding nit-picky, this really is meant as construc

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Harald Kliems
See also: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/19609/saint-or-st-is-there-an-official-osm-policy On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 2:50 PM James wrote: > http://saultstemarie.ca/ > > thats how its written. even on signs to there > > On Feb 16, 2018 3:47 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" > wrote: > >> On Feb

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
We (the USA) has many sources which "say" St. Louis (Missouri) but OSM has name=Saint Louis. The latter is correct in an OSM context. Following our wiki, CAN the name be spelled without an abbreviation?" If yes, then please do so. Thanks, SteveA > On Feb 16, 2018, at 12:50 PM, James wrote:

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Kevin Farrugia
Sorry, accidentally pressed reply instead of reply all: Those are the official names, for example: http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDJFN http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDTCR --- Kevin Farrugia On Feb 16, 2018 3:50 PM, "James" wrote: > http://saultstemar

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
Chiming in as a years-long resident-neighbour of St. Catharines, I have to concur - it is always abbreviated - city's official https://www.stcatharines.ca/en/ , regional government e.g. https://www.niagararegion.ca/transit/routes.aspx St. James's Park and St. John's Wood in London in England are "

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I stand corrected, thank you everybody. BTW I do my best not to abbreviate thinks like "DC" for District of Columbia, but I now better understand that "St." in many cases has now truly become the official name, abbreviation included. SteveA ___ Talk-

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Tristan Anderson
I'm going to make here to the unpopular argument that in OSM tagging "St." should always be written as "Saint". I know that you will never see "Sault Sainte Marie" on a sign, map or official document and that seeing it written like that looks weird and even wrong to local residents. In much th

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
We call it TALK-ca for a reason! We call it OPENStreetMap for a reason! Consensus doesn't always come easy! Thanks to everyone for good discussion. SteveA ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tal

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread James
the only expanded version of the city name was in french, and on wikipedia: https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sault-Sainte-Marie_(Ontario) Maybe because people(English) have trouble spelling "Sainte"? On Feb 16, 2018 5:38 PM, "Tristan Anderson" wrote: > I'm going to make here to the unpopular arg

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
With "street" in a street name, it's clear to most everyone that Pine St is an abbreviation and Pine Street is the correct unabbreviated Canadian English version. It is not clear to me that "Saint Catharines" is the correct unabbreviated version of the city's name. In fact it looks incorrect to me.

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Feb 16, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > With "street" in a street name, it's clear to most everyone that Pine St is > an abbreviation and Pine Street is the correct unabbreviated Canadian English > version. It is not clear to me that "Saint Catharines" is the correct > unabbrevi

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Matthew Darwin
In my OSM map updates to remove of "City of" and similar prefixes from locality names, I will not be expanding any "St", "Ste" or any other abbreviations of those names.  If the name (minus the prefix to be removed) matches what is in NRCan database, I will remove the prefix; if it doesn't, I w

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread James
My favourite is Moose Factory. I think Canadian typonomy was the consesus last time we had the same subject come up On Feb 16, 2018 7:14 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > In my OSM map updates to remove of "City of" and similar prefixes from > locality names, I will not be expanding any "St", "Ste"

[Talk-ca] Serge Wroclawski's op/ed on the challenges OSM faces today

2018-02-16 Thread David E. Nelson
I thought I would post this article that I recently came across, and I would like to gauge how Canadian contributors to OSM would react to this. It came across as a bit disconcerting to me, but it in no way affects my enthusiasm for OSM, given just how much I enjoy contributing to it. https://

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Bill & Kathy Patterson
It would seem to me that an official place name should take precedence over OSM protocols.  If we expand the abbreviations (or contractions), of St. and Ste., then are we not altering the official place name of the feature? The federal government downloaded that responsibility to the provinces, a

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Feb 16, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Bill & Kathy Patterson wrote: > It would seem to me that an official place name should take precedence over > OSM protocols. If we expand the abbreviations (or contractions), of St. and > Ste., then are we not altering the official place name of the feature? > > T

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Bernie Connors
‎Matthew,      "Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!"‎ is a good one. I have driven through "Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!" on my way from NB to Montreal. Growing up in NS I have always been intrigued by long French names in NB like S