to
raise this request on their behalf.
Regards,
Rob
On 8 February 2014 19:53, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2014, Rob Nickerson wrote:
Warwickshire CC are documenting it at http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/gisAt
the moment they seem to have gone for the approach
Try the NCR for electric charge points (need survey to confirm they are in
deed there):
http://data.gov.uk/dataset/national-charge-point-registry
http://www.nationalchargepointregistry.com/
What we could do with is an phone app in which you can load all this data,
and then when surveying you can
are missing. If it's then later discovered
*not* to be a right of way, the designation tag can always be removed.
Nick
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To: Gregory Marler nomoregra...@googlemail.com, Talk-GB
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
From: Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker
Hi,
Just to confirm, the tags for a right of way are described at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_access_provisions#Public_Rights_of_Way
Basically, if its on the ground AND in the councils definitive map as a
right of way then use designation=public_footpath (or public_bridleway,
etc).
Hi All,
I spotted this on Engadget.com and thought, hmm, sounds like Andy's work.
Although he's not mentioned by name in Engadget's write-up, the Guardian
did give him a shout out.
Well done Andy Mabbett :-)
Now if only we could get both pronunciations of Shrewsbury added to it's
wikipedia
Hi All,
Okay, I'm going to take a different approach and look at the original
intention of the OS OpenData initiative (ignoring OpenStreetMap). Not that
this relates to the original OS OpenData product.
A) Following public consultation [1]:
Central government has negotiated a commercial
Hi everyone
This url is indeed just for the 3 sets of aerial imagery and I will check
with Jonathan at WCC if it's correct
Regards
Brian
Hi All,
As noted the http://wppgeog3/gs/Aerial_Photography/wms link will not work
on the public web (it's a internal link for Warwickshire CC only as it
Oh sorry, I've just realised that Grant's link is fine. I should read (and
test) before writing!
http://maps.warwickshire.gov.uk/gs/Aerial_Photography/wms
Just pop this in JOSM's +WMS dialogue in the setting menu.
Best wishes,
Rob
On 14 January 2014 21:41, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker
Hi all,
I'm busy in the hours before our meeting so cannot give a definite time,
but will aim to be there before 8
Rob
On 3 December 2013 18:36, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
I usually try to get there between 7 and 7:30. I'm very busy this week but
currently plan to be there -
Okay, time to re-focus my efforts on the Mappa Mercia website. The current
version of the site is online at http://mappa-mercia.org/ . And the
proposed new version is in development at http://mappa.stulester.co.uk/
Looking at the new design again (with SOTM now behind us) I now think we
are
Hi,
The Hants data was one of the first Rights of Way datasets that we got
access to. It is my understanding that we did get the permission for using
this OS OpenData licensed data above and beyond what the OS OpenData
license says (we have permission from both OS and Hants CC).
Having said
Hi all,
We are fast approaching the first Thursday of the month and that means it's
time for the local West Midlands group to meet up for a drink or two in the
evening. All are welcome, so please join us from 7:30pm at The Bull, Price
Street, Birmingham.
(And yes, before it went live, many people suggested to remove the
Welcome box as well.)
And the response was 'we will not change it!' so why ask for comments when
the
changes were already a done deal?
--
Hi Lester,
I just want to pick up on this point to make it clear that the we in this
Oh, I forget to say that I like the way you are using the OS Open Data to
add the built up landuse areas. Hopefully it will also encourage more
people to map buildings to help improve the OSM data.
Rob
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Brian,
(I tried my best to communicate this change - oh, and it was also at SOTM
2013 :-P )
I agree that these changes should be communicated better which is exactly
why I posted news of this change to both the talk and talk-gb mailing list
a few weeks ago. I was only aware of it's imminent
To use the map I'd prefer not to have that signup box floating around all
the time (I am only logged in when I am about to edit).
Oliver
You could tick the stay logged in button, or alternatively if you want a
full screen map there are plenty of sites that provide alternate views of
OSM
On 17 November 2013 21:14, Oliver Jowett oliver.jow...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the response to Here's a usability issue with the proposed changes
really use something else then?
Oliver
Not at all. I am trying to help you by communicating the fact that this
change is upcoming, and I am collating
Thanks for all the comments so far. I will communicate them back to the
github pull request [1] on your behalf.
In regards to the comment about wanting a [x] button on the welcome text,
it does disappear for logged in users and small screen devices. As for non
logged in users this request has
(The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming
change to the
OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive feedback)
(I posted this email to the talk mailing list last Tuesday. Since
then we had some
great feedback and changes have been made to the
Hi Paul,
I hope you are well.
As you have seen my responses at [1] and [2], it will come as no surprise
that I oppose this move. I have set out my reasoning below:
== Reason 1: Open Historical Maps (OHM) is not an entirely separate project
to OSM ==
I will start by providing a bit of
Hi Andy,
We are mixing up two issues here. One is as to whether historic layers
should be removed from the default menus (and determining what counts as
historic of no value to current mapping) and the second issue of how iD
presents the list.
Please do not let an iD bug direct the future
Andy T,
By default menus I mean those background layers that appear for normal
folk who just go to osm.org and click edit (be that in ID, JOSM, Potlatch).
Basically those people who do not spend the time, or have the know-how to
add a new layer in JOSM's menus, or add a custom URL in ID. I'm also
A great website in this weeks Weekly Notice [1] (translated from German),
and a great reason as to why I contribute to OSM:
http://walks.io/
Best,
RobJN
[1] http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2013/11/07/wochennotiz-nr-172/
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Hi all,
Share an OSM moment with us over a drink or two at The Bull, Price Street,
Birmingham. Tonight (Thursday) from 7 ish. I'll aim to get there at around
7:30. Hope to see you all: -)
Rob
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Hi all,
I think its probably my turn to step in and moderate on this one given that
Jonathan's original post stems from me asking him about some road
classifications in his home town.
To summarise: a simple question was asked entirely inocently, and I am 100%
sure that it was not meant to
If you are using the Harvard style of referencing then this site should
have you covered:
http://libweb.anglia.ac.uk/referencing/harvard.htm
In regards to Alyssa's presentation, then there is a video available at
http://osm.won2.de/sotm/ but there are unfortunately issues with echoing
audio for
Hi Andy,
I get all of your points on this one, but just as we generally don't go and
remove other peoples custom tags, I think it would be a shame if we remove
available layers. Having historical background layers can attract people to
other projects (Open Historical Map). I've even used historic
Dealing with it from a UI perspective is difficult, and I get the
impression that's the main issue, not the coding once the UI is figured
out.
I'm not a UI designer, but I'll have a go at sketching a few ideas over the
next 7 days. It would be a shame to drop background layers where they are
Hi Andy,
I would like to see as many layers as possible in iD and other editors. The
issue, in my opinion, is one of how best to present the available layers
(more on that later). So why more layers:
1). More layers = more choice and more potential sources for confirming the
presence or absence
Is there a useful distinction between the two 1:25000 layers?
--
Andrew
At face value, no. They both show map sheets from the Ordnance Survey 1:25k
series (although the dates may differ slightly).
However if we look at the hosting of these tiles we find that one of these
is provided by the
Great idea.
I spotted http://onosm.org/ the other day. Perhaps this could be used to
capture the details.
Rob
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Brian,
I think the task was/is to change artist:name to artist_name so that it
matches the existing tags used in your heritage map.
Rob
On 22 October 2013 17:41, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Andy
Can I ask why? Please be aware that my heritage map data relies currently
on
Andy,
The easiest way to do this is to go to the taginfo page and click the JOSM
link in the top left. As long as you have JOSM open this will download all
the content with the artist:name tag key.
This is where I get stuck and have to refer to manually editing them. If
you try to select all and
On 21 October 2013 22:51, Ed Loach:
Offlist – in JOSM after downloading, can’t you just search for things with
the tag you want to change and then edit the tag, or do you mean it still
adds it to the nodes of the ways even though they won’t be part of the
selection?
Ah yes that's how to do
Hi,
Looking at National Grids shapefiles (published online [1] but no licence
stated so assumed to be copyright), then it appears that names like the one
you linked to are used but on the circuit rather than the line. For
example, each line-string (or way in OSM terminology) can have a circuit
1
How would I deal with a subdivision that has multiple codes? For example in
Wales, we have both GB-CRF and GB-CRD for Cardiff (Caerdydd) - one code for
English language, and another code for Welsh. How to tag this?
Regards,
Rob
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Hi All,
Has anyone tried the GPS on the new cheap Hudl tablet Tesco launched the
other week?
I'm just starting to venture into the modern world and have been trying out
some of the android apps related to OSM. Many of these require a reasonably
good GPS chip, which seems to be slowing me down a
Hi All,
Thanks for those that have helped so far. I am now in contact with a OSM
sys admin to get these maps up on a tile server (for subsequent use in the
OSM editors).
Out of interest, OSM servers are able to create tiles on the fly as long
as it is provided a raster image that is geocoded.
Hi All,
Thanks for those that have helped so far. I am now in contact with a OSM
sys admin to get these maps up on a tile server (for subsequent use in the
OSM editors).
Out of interest, OSM servers are able to create tiles on the fly as long
as it is provided a raster image that is geocoded.
I think we can manage this :-) I would suggest just using one of the
existing map tiles such as toner as a starting point.
Plenty to keep us going post sotm!!
Rob
On 2 Oct 2013 10:09, Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org wrote:
Hi everyone - I've responded to this guy and offered him our help.
Corner coordinates are now displaying, allowing these to be aligned
adjusted to fit. Have fun!
Are the configuration files available already somewhere or is there a plan
to make them available so users of the maps could just load the maps rather
than having to align themselves with the given
Hi Andy,
There is a whole bunch of OS Town Plans available on the National Library
of Scotland website. They are already georectified and served up as tiles
(ready for use in OSM editors). I am in the early stages of getting these
added to iD and JOSM as a series of separate layers.
I note that
on
the Copyright page [2] and the page makes it clear that you should see the
Contributors page for the other sources.
Best regards,
Rob Nickerson
[1]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Land_Registry_-_Price_paid_data
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
Oh I should add that I am a fan of source tags on the objects myself so I
add a source:postcode=Land Registry 'Price Paid' data tag (or =ONS
Postcode Centroids) to my edits. Not everyone agrees that source tags
should be added to the objects, preferring instead to add them to the
changeset
and get a better plan together.
** **
Cheers
Andy
** **
*From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 09 July 2013 21:13
*To:* Andy Robinson
*Cc:* Oxford, Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds; talk-gb-westmidlands; Talk-GB
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands
I've wondered about these in the past too. I'm not quite sure that track
is correct even though they are unpaved (to me a track is more rural). How
about:
highway=service
service=alley
surface=unpaved
I guess the next question is - what if the alleyway is only wide enough for
wheelie
the end sections that may be paved where it rejoins the road).
Rob
On 16 September 2013 22:13, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
To complicate matters, a minority are paved, and a few are paved for
some of their length.
On 16 September 2013 22:05, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker
As the deadline for poster printing has gone, is there a possibility to
get a print during the conference e.g. from a USB stick (like we did at
FOSSGIS)?
Yours, Stefan
2013/8/25 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
Hi All,
Two deadlines for State of the Map to be aware of:
== 1. Posters
Hmm, that's odd as I seem to see it fine with and without my google
account. Anyone else able to confirm this for me please?
The programme will be making it's way onto Lanyrd soon so you should be
able to view it there. Lanyrd has a great website designed for mobile
devices (and a dedicated app)
Hi All,
== SOTM Final Programme ==
After a lot of hard work and many long hours the final programme for State
of the Map 2013 is now available to view at
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/programme/
This will also be copied over to Lanyrd in the coming days and the
preceding text updated on the
Hi All,
Two deadlines for State of the Map to be aware of:
== 1. Posters: ==
We are offering to print (free of charge thanks to ITO World) A1 sized
posters for display at SOTM. This is ideal for people who want to share
something with the community but are unable to attend.
Our print deadline
Hi All,
To get you excited for State of the Map in 17 days time, we have launched a
photo competition to find the most usual object / sign / situation found
whilst surveying.
You don't need to be attending SOTM 2013 to enter this competition so head
over to the blog post [1] or wiki page [2] to
Half of them seem to be radio stations. Even if I can figure out how to tag
these, should I tag the studio or something else (e.g. transmitter)?
Radio Warwick always used to be in Students Union building, but Milliams
may be able to confirm whether this is still correct.
On 11 August 2013
Hello Talk-GB,
We could do with a few more volunteers helping out at SOTM 2013 (6th-8th
September, Birmingham). The tasks will range from manning the front desk
(general enquiries), helping the presenters with setting up, and keeping
the conference running to schedule. Nothing too strenuous and
Hi All,
Just a quick update on the Hackday following SOTM 2013:
If you need somewhere to stay on the Sunday and/or Monday night, Conference
Aston Hotel have kindly extended our discount code. Please book online at
[1] using the discount code in the confirmation email you received when you
signed
The hotel booking link I failed to attach is:
http://kx-web-live.aston.ac.uk/
Cheers,
Rob
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Hi All,
SOTM 2013 is now only 4 weeks away!! For information on signing-up,
submitting a poster and/or attending the post SOTM hackday, please see the
sections below.
== Register to attend ==
If you're planning to come and have not yet signed up, what are you waiting
for? If you head over to the
Robert W said:
That being the case, please note that Ordnance Survey have recently stated
that their OS OpenData licence is not forward compatible with the ODC-By
and ODbL.
Yes, they did, and that quote has gotten them in a lot of trouble. The Open
Government License (of which Ordnance Survey's
I created this in QGIS comparing the OSM data to the PRoW released from
Durham County Council, I created a special query using intersects. This is
why it's not perfectly accurate because if an OSM mapped math intersected
with the PRoW data it would show up green, even though it may not be that
Hi both,
Those are some really neat ideas! I hope you are thinking about sharing
them at State of the Map in September ;-) We have a theme of change this
year and one of the areas I am interested in is how we manage external data
sources. Public Rights of Way are a great example as it poses
Great work, and thanks to Andy for his work re-writing the rendering rules
in CartoCSS.
I'm forwarding this to the general talk mailing list as I expect there
will be some not Brits who will be pleased to hear about the progress on
this one. My understanding (from watching Andy's presentation and
Bob
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*Sent:* Saturday, 13 July 2013, 18:18
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Historic Maps - Can you help?
I've
I'd like to be able to run through all issues of the Bartholomew half inch
series but even the ones already available are a start.
Lester,
Are you aware that Bartholomew half inch maps for Scotland, England and
Wales are available online at http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/ ? If yes,
then can
Hi All,
I have been speaking with the National Library of Scotland (NLS) about
their large collection of historic maps. Currently they provide a online
collection of historic maps as set out on their website [1]. Some of these
are georeferenced and can be used in OSM [2]. There is lots more left
Sounds like a good plan :-)
And thanks both for making me hungry!!
On 8 July 2013 17:45, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, in the West Mids group a while back we mulled the idea of doing a
joint
meet with our southerly brethren on Oxfordshire.
We are proposing Saturday October
Sounds like a good plan :-)
And thanks both for making me hungry!!
On 8 July 2013 17:45, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, in the West Mids group a while back we mulled the idea of doing a
joint
meet with our southerly brethren on Oxfordshire.
We are proposing Saturday October
3D map example in an area with lots more detail about buildings
http://map.f4-group.com/#lon=8.8073256lat=53.0758799zoom=18camera.theta=49.315camera.phi=-167.2
For those unable to see it, I have found a screenshot online:
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=27u=13208997
Other 3d projects
Wow, sounds amazing.
He wants to explore how to use our data at a meeting with his GIS guys.
Does this mean just within Centro, or does he want someone from OSM present?
Are these the sculptures you are talking about?
http://www.flickr.com/groups/public_art_in_public_transport_wm/
On 5 July
Dear All,
Some time ago I wrote to you about the process by which notice of changes
to Public Rights of Way are distributed to Ordnance Survey and other
interested third parties.
These third parties are listed as Prescribed Organisations in Appendix A
of [1].
Based on your comments, I contacted
That was my Plan A when I contacted Defra. Unfortunately their response
didn't really consider it properly. It sort of flirted round the edge -
very public sector like!!
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Hi All,
I'm aware that some within our community are very cautious of so called
open data. As I'm not in any way qualified to assess legal jargon I can't
provide much support. I can however notify you that the Open Government
Licence has now been updated to make it more explicit that the OGL is
One for the mappa-mercia website:
http://map.f4-group.com/#lon=-168401lat=6874255zoom=19
P.s. This is a 3d web gl render of OSM including working fountains,
flowing water, rain, and building heights/roofs (if tagged). I would
imagine it needs an up to date browser (not IE6!) to view it.
Hi List,
A short update for those still following the OS OpenData Licence story:
http://data.gov.uk/library/minutes-of-open-data-user-group-11-june-2013
Summary: The issue is supported by ODUG and is being progressed by them.
For now its a waiting game.
Regards,
Rob
Nick,
The more options we have as organisers of SotM, the better. I personally
would love to hear more about this (and no doubt will chat to you during
one of the breaks).
Rob
-- SOTM Organising Committee
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Hi All,
The Call for Presentations for State of the Map 2013 closes Monday*. If
you've not yet submitted your presentation proposal please act quickly.
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/
I posted some ideas in recent SotM blog posts to get you thinking. These
were:
-
the Industrial Estate bu
Arrow Valley Lake
Regards
Brian
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Rob Nickerson
rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote:
The Royal Enfield it is then. Thanks Jonathan. See you all on Thursday.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.30698mlon=-1.943327zoom=18layers=Q
Lancashire CC have a good description of what a private street is:
http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/atoz/a_to_z/service.asp?u_id=1065tab=3siteid=5409pageid=29027e=e
As Nick said, a Private road often simply means that it has not been
adopted by the Local Authority and therefore any
The Royal Enfield it is then. Thanks Jonathan. See you all on Thursday.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.30698mlon=-1.943327zoom=18layers=Q
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Less than 24hrs to sign up for an Early Bird 25% discounted State of the
Map 2013 ticket. Get yours now and join over 80 people who have already
signed up:
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/booking/
See you there,
Rob
Organising committee volunteer,
State of the Map 2013,
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Try here:
http://www.thehs2.com/
Thanks Barry :-)
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Hi All,
Tickets for OpenStreetMap's State of the Map 2013 conference in
Birmingham, England, are now available. They can be purchased at a
discounted Early Bird rate but only until the end of May. Get yours at
http://www.stateofthemap.org/
Looking forward to seeing everyone there,
Rob Nickerson
I guess one question might be, would it be a good idea to distinguish
between statutory and non-statutory designations?
The simpler the tagging, and the easier it is to explain, the more likely
it will be used as you intend. So, although this may be a good idea, it
would need some supporting text
Hi All,
I've previously written about the monthly releases of Land Registry Price
Paid data as these datasets are a great source of address details and are
available under OGL. Matt Williams has already done a good job pulling this
data into his Postcode Finder [1]. This is a nice tool that
Urrgg.. It was [0] that all Natural England open datasets (with the
exception of Local Nature Reserves), were plain OGL licensed and could
therefore be used. Looking again, it seems like NE have now added that
annoying line at the top of the OGL licence that seems be be raising a few
eyebrows:
Hi All,
- please forward this on to your local communities -
It's that time of year again when we look to you, the mind-bogglingly
creative OpenStreetMap community, to tell us what you've been up to. That's
right - it time to submit your presentation ideas for the annual State of
the Map
Yep, as others have noted, the Green Sign = Trunk Road is the age old
convention. If you want to add details about who maintains the road you can
use operator=Highways_Agency (the second highest use of the operator tag
apparently [1]). We don't have a tag for indicating that the signs are
green
Hi,
The issue of how to update imports is an important one. For this years SotM
(in Birmingham, September) we have a theme of Change, with one of these
areas of change being how do we go from being map data creators to map data
maintainers.
I would love to see ideas put forward for this in the
I would not, therefore, support updating OSM with another NaPTAN import in
my local area.
Agreed that a blanket import would be a poor option, but surely a tool that
would show comparisons between the new NaPTAN data and OSM data would be
useful? Or perhaps a comparison between the old and new
Maybe we should be advising that for all imports the original files are
kept somewhere safe.
Rob
On 18 April 2013 19:57, Oliver Jowett oliver.jow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Rob Nickerson
rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote:
Or perhaps a comparison between the old
All,
Whether you care for public sector data released under the OS OpenData
Licence or not, this will probably effect you one way or another. Can I
therefore request that you please submit a comment in support of the data
request available at the link below.
This is especially true if you run a
All,
Anyone using OS Land-Form PANORAMA elevation data, might find the following
announcement about OS Terrain 50 of interest.
In essence (and to quote the Ordnance Survey) Land-Form PANORAMA was an
unmaintained product and was last updated in the 1990s. The new product
will give users more
Hi,
As Andy noted, the JOSM button is probably the best option. Alternatively
as there are not too many, you can use the Overpass XAPI without restring
to a geographic region. Simply paste the following URL into a browser, save
the resulting file with the .osm extension and open in JOSM:
Is probably too late for me to get over there now :-( What time and where?
Also let me know the plans for Sunday
Rob
On 30 March 2013 18:07, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote:
Gregory (or anyone else interested),
(This mail was bounced earlier today because I use the wrong email
The conclusion seemed to be to add the reference in the same format as used
by the Local Authority. Some include the parish name, some also include FP
for footpath etc. As your data is from a Parish level it's unclear
whether the Local Authority will include the parish name before any numbers
-
All, Stu,
Should have mentioned this the other week but it skipped my mind. :-)
Piwik provides web analytics/stats about visitors to your website. The OSM
French community run it on their website and have offered to help anyone
who may be interested to add it to theirs too. I think it's quite
Brian,
The list was of invalid postcodes. Hopefully everything you entered was a
valid postcode (it seems that way given that only 3 invalid B27 postcodes
appear in the list).
Rob
On 12 March 2013 22:37, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
Aidan
I've had a look at your list and would
Thanks for letting us know.
Based on the progress of the Coventry public realm improvements and this
cross-reference photo [1], I would date the imagery as circa 27th March
2012.
In Coventry, as with the previous imagery, there may be a small offset. If
you use Ordnance Survey data released
as well since it breaks
from the convention of uppercase postcodes, you could argue that they
should be in or out, but it was easier to leave them in.
[1]
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0viaV_xKHyCNmJDY1A1X092Zkk/edit?usp=sharing
On 28 February 2013 23:44, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker
Interestingly out of the 95 you also identified 2 postcodes that are
incorrect in OSM... raising the obvious questions:
* How accurate is the data already in OSM?
* Should imports be compared to 100% accuracy or a more realistic measure
of OSM accuracy?
Rob
Deleted after survey. Thanks
Rob
p.s. Interestingly on the opposite side of the road I found a plaque on
number 51:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/content/image_galleries/2_tone_plaque_gallery.shtml?29
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