The background here is that the UK, AUS and NZ (these are the ones I'm
aware of, of the former UK colonies India and the US have moved away
from this but used to have similar issues) have very strong "sweat of
the brow" doctrines that essentially lead to there being no creativity
and originality
On 06/08/18 08:37, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
On 5 August 2018 at 19:50, David Woolley wrote:
The only place for which I am aware of national legislation making certain
government publications automatically free to use is the USA.
Thanks to the EU, we do however have the "Re-Use of
On 5 August 2018 at 19:50, David Woolley wrote:
> The only place for which I am aware of national legislation making certain
> government publications automatically free to use is the USA.
Thanks to the EU, we do however have the "Re-Use of Public Sector
Information Regulations 2015"
On 05/08/18 23:04, Warin wrote:
The legal niceties are above me, but the phone book people won ... so
even though the facts in the phone book are not copyright, practically
you cannot copy them into your own data base.
Ridiculous but true.
I'd think similar legal arguments could be made in a
On 05/08/18 22:00, Mark Goodge wrote:
either via a licence which permits re-use or an explicit grant of
permission from the rightsholder.
That's what a licence is, an explicit grant of permission!
The confusion probably arises because of the open source movement's
creation of the concept of
On 06/08/18 06:10, Martin Wynne wrote:
Copyright doesn't work like that.
But you can't copyright names, addresses and similar material.
Road names and numbers would surely fall within that.
I'm not suggesting copying the document and posting it verbatim.
There was a long and costly court
On 05/08/2018 22:55, Martin Wynne wrote:
But C and D numbers are not (normally) public, they are internal
identifiers not intended for public use.
They often appear in planning applications, and public notices about
road works and diversions.
So do extracts of detailed OS maps. That
On 05/08/18 21:10, Martin Wynne wrote:
Copyright doesn't work like that.
But you can't copyright names, addresses and similar material.
That's why the legislators introduced the concept of database rights.
OSM works more in the concept of database rights, which don't require
creativity,
But C and D numbers are not (normally) public, they are internal identifiers
not intended for public use.
They often appear in planning applications, and public notices about
road works and diversions.
All of which are intended for public use.
I can't see why Worcestershire County Council
On 05/08/2018 14:44, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Rob Nickerson wrote:
Dave can you do the D class roads too. Someone has added these -
e.g: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.21554/-1.87663
That reminds me - there's some weird ones in Hillingdon too:
On 05/08/2018 21:10, Martin Wynne wrote:
Copyright doesn't work like that.
But you can't copyright names, addresses and similar material.
Road names and numbers would surely fall within that.
Public road names and numbers (eg, names on name plates and numbers on
road signs) fall within
Copyright doesn't work like that.
But you can't copyright names, addresses and similar material.
Road names and numbers would surely fall within that.
I'm not suggesting copying the document and posting it verbatim.
Martin.
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Martin Wynne wrote:
> Google publishes a map for profit.
> Worcestershire County Council is paid for by me. And a few others.
Sure. The point is that copyright automatically subsists unless expressly
disclaimed.
WCC has not expressly openly licensed this data. You can't just say "it's
publicly
On 05/08/18 19:02, Martin Wynne wrote:
Worcestershire County Council is paid for by me. And a few others.
The only place for which I am aware of national legislation making
certain government publications automatically free to use is the USA.
Even there it only applies to the Federal
Google publishes a map, but that doesn't mean it's an admissible source for
OSM. :)
Richard
Google publishes a map for profit.
Worcestershire County Council is paid for by me. And a few others.
At this rate, nothing could ever appear on OSM because it is mentioned
in a dictionary or on a
Martin Wynne wrote:
> Worcestershire County Council publishes PDF text lists (no mapping)
> of classified and unclassified roads.
Google publishes a map, but that doesn't mean it's an admissible source for
OSM. :)
Richard
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On Sun, 2018-08-05 at 15:23 +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
> So we end up with data that should not be displayed ... but is still
> valid data in terms of the database!
Which comes back to they should not be in the ref tag in osm, but in
something else such as admin_ref so that those who are
On 05/08/18 14:44, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Rob Nickerson wrote:
Dave can you do the D class roads too. Someone has added these -
e.g:https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.21554/-1.87663
And D designations will be reused in other areas ... I have seen a
couple more D5383 such as D5383,
There is also the question of the source used, locally the source of
these references would be an overlay over an OS map labeled crown
copyright making such data incompatible with OSM. I assume that most
local authorities will use similar GIS systems?
Hi Phil,
Worcestershire County Council
On Sun, 2018-08-05 at 08:44 -0500, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Rob Nickerson wrote:
> > Dave can you do the D class roads too. Someone has added these -
> > e.g: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.21554/-1.87663
>
> That reminds me - there's some weird ones in Hillingdon too:
>
Rob Nickerson wrote:
> Dave can you do the D class roads too. Someone has added these -
> e.g: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.21554/-1.87663
That reminds me - there's some weird ones in Hillingdon too:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/51.5603/-0.3943
Can anyone think of a
Dave can you do the D class roads too. Someone has added these - e.g:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.21554/-1.87663
Thanks,
*Rob*
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