Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 November 2011 12:39, Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Also I haven't checked off licences - not sure what to search for? There has been a little discussion on the talk page about this. I think Andy is mainly interested in specialist shops (shop=alcohol) and noting

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread Craig Loftus
There has been a little discussion on the talk page about this. I think Andy is mainly interested in specialist shops (shop=alcohol) and noting whether they sell real ale, either draught or bottled. As a first punt I suggested overloading real_ale (real_beer), with 'draught' and 'bottled'

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread John Sturdy
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2011 10:02, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: . Yes, “Former Brewery” is the former Ridley’s site. Bishop Nick launched their first beer at The Compasses, Littley Green (next village over) recently;

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread Graham Jones
On 27 November 2011 12:07, Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: There has been a little discussion on the talk page about this. I think Andy is mainly interested in specialist shops (shop=alcohol) and noting whether they sell real ale, either draught or bottled. As a first

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 27 November 2011 19:46, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 November 2011 12:07, Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Nobody disagreed. There haven't been any other suggestions, or the objections I expected to the use of real_beer. Go on then, I'll disagree -

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread Brian Prangle
But it's common parlance to refer to real ale from the decades-long activities of CAMRA which was never called CAMRAB - this is splitting hairs On 27 November 2011 19:54, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 27 November 2011 19:46, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread Craig Loftus
CAMRA: What's the difference between 'ale' and other beers?, http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=100330 The suggestion of moving to real_beer was made in response to interest from fellow German beer drinkers, who don't know what ale is, or at least shouldn't have to. But it's common parlance to

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread Graham Jones
It is only splitting hairs if your beer horizon extends no further than the channel. Where I was coming from is that I think that 'real-stuff=yes' is useful as it distinguishes the supplier of 'craft' products from 'industrial' ones. The problem is that there are lots of different types of

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 27 November 2011 20:54, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: Where I was coming from is that I think that 'real-stuff=yes' is useful as it distinguishes the supplier of 'craft' products from 'industrial' ones. The problem is that there are lots of different types of stuff - ale,

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-26 Thread Graham Jones
On 25 November 2011 10:02, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: The page is working for me again. Yes, “Former Brewery” is the former Ridley’s site. Bishop Nick launched their first beer at The Compasses, Littley Green (next village over) recently; their old brewery tap. Not sure what the site

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-25 Thread SomeoneElse
Graham Jones wrote: I have had a good go at removing false positives from the BrewMap http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk tagQueries http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk/client/tagQueries.html page by coding it into the query I use to generate the list. There are a few odd things that I think are supposed to

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-25 Thread Ed Loach
://www.bishopnick.com/ but I think they are using spare capacity at Felstar Brewery (mapped) to brew until they get their own set up. From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: 25 November 2011 08:25 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK Graham

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-25 Thread Ed Loach
” as it has never been called “Former Brewery”. Ed From: Ed Loach [mailto:e...@loach.me.uk] Sent: 25 November 2011 09:47 To: 'SomeoneElse'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK I don’t seem to be able to view the pages at the moment to see what might be Ridley’s

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Norris
? (It does all!) Be Seeing You - Rob. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. From: rw_nor...@hotmail.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:37:12 + Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK My 2p

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-23 Thread Graham Jones
I notice the South/ South West is looking a bit empty, so I started a list of places I know but need investigating further before marking on the map (some I could do as single node as a very rough placement - but should be able to get better trace / identify stuff using Bing Aerials).

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-23 Thread Robert Norris
Brian Prangle wrote: How to distinguish real ale from industrial mass market breweries? Put something descriptive in real_ale= perhaps? In my mind, in the UK most (small/micro)breweries are real_ale, thus this should be assumed default. (According to http://www.beermad.org.uk/, there

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-22 Thread Graham Jones
On 22 November 2011 09:02, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Is there a way to flag false positives? Well, I don't have one at the moment. I was thinking of trying to refine them out of the tagQueries list by trapping landuse=retail etc., but you are right that this will not work for

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-22 Thread Craig Loftus
It is a bit of an abuse of the tag, but makes sense to me, so how about brewery=no? I think this is backwards. There is nothing wrong with naming something a brewery but it not being one. The marker should be applied to the tagQuery list, similar to Keepright. You could then write more

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-22 Thread Graham Jones
On 22 November 2011 20:46, Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.comwrote: It is a bit of an abuse of the tag, but makes sense to me, so how about brewery=no? I think this is backwards. There is nothing wrong with naming something a brewery but it not being one. The marker should be

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-22 Thread Graham Jones
I have had a good go at removing false positives from the BrewMaphttp://brewmap.maps3.org.uk tagQueries http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk/client/tagQueries.html page by coding it into the query I use to generate the list. There are a few odd things that I think are supposed to be bus-stops showing up,

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-21 Thread Tom Chance
On 20 November 2011 22:51, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: I have just added Craig's address lookup code to the BrewMap popups, along with some changes I have made to the key and statistics bits. Oh, this is a bit of a shame in my view. Now the map shows the address for this

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-21 Thread Graham Jones
I have just added Craig's address lookup code to the BrewMap popups, along with some changes I have made to the key and statistics bits. Oh, this is a bit of a shame in my view. Now the map shows the address for this brewery, which has no address info in OSM (

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-21 Thread Graham Jones
I forgot to say, I have improved the BrewMap tagQuery code, so there is now a long list of potential breweries, distilleries and vineyards on the tagQuery http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk/client/tagQueries.html page on http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk if anyone would like to use some local knowledge to tag

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-21 Thread Tom Chance
On 21 November 2011 19:42, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: Let me give some thought to how to do it - maybe if there is address data we should use that, otherwise fall back on a nominatim derived address with it drawn differently and a 'please fix the address' note. Sounds

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-20 Thread Borbus
On 19/11/11 10:59, Graham Jones wrote: This has swapped quite a few big breweries from the map to the tagQueries list, so if anyone gets bored, feel free to change the tags to 'industrial=brewery'. For some reason this tag query was not picking up the Adnams brewery which was named Adnams

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-20 Thread Graham Jones
For some reason this tag query was not picking up the Adnams brewery which was named Adnams Brewery. I have updated this one but there may be some more that are not appearing on the list. Thanks - I had better look at the tagQueries code and see what is happening - I have had a couple of

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-20 Thread Graham Jones
This was supposed to go to the list, sorry! On 20 November 2011 15:30, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am just looking through the BrewMap http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk tagQueries http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk/client/tagQueries.html page and am curious about the Bulmers

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-20 Thread John Sturdy
I'm sure this is a cider brewery, I've driven past it quite a few times and remember seeing the signage. (I used to live near Limerick). I don't know of any beers from Bulmers, I'm pretty sure they're only ciders. __John On 11/20/11, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: This was

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-20 Thread Graham Jones
Thanks - That's good enough for me - I have changed it to 'industrial=cider' with a note in the FIXME that this is a judgement. Graham. On 20 November 2011 21:46, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure this is a cider brewery, I've driven past it quite a few times and remember

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-20 Thread Graham Jones
Hi All, I have just added Craig's address lookup code to the BrewMap popups, along with some changes I have made to the key and statistics bits. It sort of works for me - If I access the main site as ' http://maps3.org.uk/BrewMap' it works fine. But, if I go to http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk, it

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-19 Thread Graham Jones
Hi Folks, I have just changed over the BrewMap (http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk) to use the 'industrial=' tag rather than 'industry='. This has swapped quite a few big breweries from the map to the tagQueries list, so if anyone gets bored, feel free to change the tags to 'industrial=brewery'. I have

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-18 Thread Tom Chance
@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK ** ** mead. ** ** Good point. Fortunately that will not need a new key in the database - phew! -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ** ** ___ Talk-GB

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-18 Thread Craig Loftus
Also I haven't checked off licences - not sure what to search for? There has been a little discussion on the talk page about this. I think Andy is mainly interested in specialist shops (shop=alcohol) and noting whether they sell real ale, either draught or bottled. As a first punt I suggested

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 November 2011 12:39, Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: shop=alcohol That would certainly distinguish from branches of Tesco et al. I suggested overloading real_ale (real_beer), with 'draught' and 'bottled' values Good idea, but we might also want to include specialist

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-18 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone If we include all off licences then we're going to have to include all pubs and bars and the map is going to get seriously crowded. Should we tag off-licences that sell real ale as realale=yes and if we extend this to specialist wine merchants and whisky shops then perhaps we should

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 November 2011 19:59, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: If we include all off licences then we're going to have to include all pubs and bars and the map is going to get seriously crowded. I specifically advised against that when I made the original proposal. Should we tag

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 17 November 2011 19:59, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: The main list of tags that I will use for BrewMap now are: Could the list of specialist tags go on a sub-page of the wiki page? My question is - have I missed any that I should include for the BrewMap? Do we have any

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-17 Thread Graham Jones
On 17 November 2011 20:55, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 17 November 2011 19:59, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: The main list of tags that I will use for BrewMap now are: Could the list of specialist tags go on a sub-page of the wiki page? By all means!

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 17 November 2011 21:48, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: Well, someone has been busy - last time I looked there was one distillery mapped now we have: 22 distilleries 1 winery 0 cider or perry As I head up to bed, I have one word to say to you all: mead. -- Andy

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-17 Thread Graham Jones
mead. Good point. Fortunately that will not need a new key in the database - phew! -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Craig Loftus
Will the map pick up on pubs too? *cough* I know lots around here *cough*, so can add the operator tag if that'll help - should we specifically pick out pubs that aren't tied (as opposed to the tag just not being there), eg operator=independent (?) Yep. There's a section on the talk page

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Sven Geggus
Hello altogether, sorry for entering the discussion this late, but I have just been pointed here right now because I do not usually follow talk-gb. I do however think, that this stuff should not be UK only :) Graham Jones schrieb am Sonntag, den 13. November um 23:46 Uhr: With some help from

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Craig Loftus
sorry for entering the discussion this late, but I have just been pointed here right now because I do not usually follow talk-gb. I do however think, that this stuff should not be UK only :) I can't speak for the original poster, but I think it was perceived as a UK completeness type project,

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Loftus wrote: Do make comments/suggestions on the wiki pages... the tags we're using are still evolving. I have changed craft|industrial=cider_house to craft|industrial=cider (and the same for perry). A cider house is a pub that predominantly serves cider, not a producer. There is no

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Doerr
On 15/11/2011 12:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote: A cider house is a pub that predominantly serves cider, not a producer. The /Oxford English Dictionary/ got it wrong then: *cider-house* /n./ a building in which cider is made. -- Steve ___ Talk-GB

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Doerr wrote: The Oxford English Dictionary got it wrong then: *cider-house* n. a building in which cider is made. Far be it for me to criticise the august OED (though I'm more of a Chambers man), but yes, it did. http://www.thecoronationtap.com/ - Clifton's original, and still it's only,

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Sven Geggus
Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Things tagged with microbrewery should be okay... assuming they respected the tags original definition, i.e., a pub with a brewery in it. When I announced Open Brewpub Map last year some people on the German Mailinglist also started talking

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Craig Loftus
When I announced Open Brewpub Map last year some people on the German Mailinglist also started talking about how to tag ordinary breweries (there are a lot of them in Germany). This is exactly what your proposal now defines. Would you give a summary of what suggestions emerged? Or perhaps

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Brian Prangle
Sven - we do have a couple of wineries and vineyards in the UK! On 15 November 2011 14:34, Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote: Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Things tagged with microbrewery should be okay... assuming they respected the tags original

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone Just dome some armchair mapping in Hereford where the HP Bulmer site is a massive industrial complex so I don't think ciderhouse or press or mill is somehow appropriate so I've labelled it industrial=brewery for the meantime. Perhaps we should also have industrial=cider? The Bulmers

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone Whilst I originally envisaged this as a UK project, what Sven has brought up does suggest that it has a global perspective, but I doubt if Graham's time or server could cope with something that large. The wine industry is certainly global and Heineken( not real ale I know!) has 115

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
Aston Manor Brewery in Birmingham no longer makes ales; just cider, on an industrial scale - yet retains the word Brewery in its name. :-( On 15 November 2011 15:40, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone Just dome some armchair mapping in Hereford where the HP Bulmer site is a

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Mabbett wrote: Aston Manor Brewery in Birmingham no longer makes ales; just cider, on an industrial scale - yet retains the word Brewery in its name. :-( I'd argue it doesn't really make anything recognisable as cider, either, but that's a whole different argument. ;) (not quite fair -

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Craig Loftus
Brian Prangle wrote: Perhaps we should also have industrial=cider? It exists. The table of values on the wiki page is supposed to apply to both craft and industrial keys. Richard Fairhurst wrote (not quite fair - they do own Knights who make some decent enough, though perhaps slightly

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Loftus wrote: We have real cider now as well? Yep, although I think it's less of a binary yes/no than with real ale. CAMRA has a lengthy definition at http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=aboutciderandperry , though it's worth noting that cider-drinkers generally don't regard CAMRA with

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Sven Geggus
Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Would you give a summary of what suggestions emerged? There was not much of a discussion with suggestions mostly about industrial or craft. What do you think of applying craft=* to the pub/restaurant? craft=brewery? Already there (And we

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Sven Geggus
Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Whilst I originally envisaged this as a UK project, what Sven has brought up does suggest that it has a global perspective Shure it does. I would bet hands down, that there are more breweries in Germany than in UK ;) but I doubt if Graham's time or

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Graham Jones
Sven, Brian, There are two reasons that this only works for the UK (or really the UK and Ireland) at the moment: - My OSM database only covers this region. It could probably cope with a larger area (maybe Europe), but I have never tried - it is running on my old Laptop so it is not

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Graham Jones
I forgot a third possible way around it - generate standard image tiles using Mapnik, and use Mapnik MetaWriters to provide data files for the popups - again I have not tried this one, but it would probably be the simplest way of getting to a larger area map with the least coding work required.

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Doerr
On 15/11/2011 22:48, Sven Geggus wrote: Huh, there actually _are_ wineries in the UK? Sven Not merely wineries, but vineyards too:

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Graham Jones
On 14 November 2011 09:50, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Should the wiki page mention industrial=brewery rather than industry=brewery? landuse=industrial/industrial=* is a more common usage (and why at least one of the locally to me tagged breweries doesn’t show). ** ** Ed

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Brian Prangle
Graham fantastic work! I updated some breweries I'd previously edited to get them to comply with your tagging schema and they were on your map in minutes! Was going to say something about the icons but I see they're only temporary New set of objectives with some drinking attached to seek out

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Borbus
On 13/11/11 22:46, Graham Jones wrote: With some help from Craig Loftus, and a bottle of Old Speckled Hen, I have set up a first go at a UK BrewMap rendering, using the craft=brewery | industry=brewery | microbrewery=yes scheme. You should be able to see it at http://brewmap.maps3.org.uk.

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Borbus bor...@gmail.com wrote: distillery=whisky Do we need to make a distinction between whisky and whiskey?  I don't know much about whiskey, I seem to remember the difference is more than just spelling. Whisky (Scottish) is distilled twice (and the smoke

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi Graham Problem - I've entered a couple of microbreweries where your map selects the name of the pub rather than the name of the microbrewery located on the same site e.g http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/136989676 where I've tagged the pub with name= and the brewery with name_1= .

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Graham Jones
Was going to say something about the icons but I see they're only temporary I would appreciate suggestions on what to use for icons - I just found the ones on the map from a freely available icon set. I think the icons we will need are: - Breweries: Industrial; Craft; Microbreweries

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Graham Jones
Looks good to me, nice work! Are you going to add distilleries and cider houses too? Thanks - yes will add those this week. I will probably do a bit of a code re-hash to make it just use one configuration file for the server side and client side to make it easy to change what it renders.

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Graham Jones
Several old breweries have Wikipedia articles; it would be good, please, if you could include those links, where present, in your pop-up. Is there a tag used for wikipedia articles? I was going to grab website and url tags (but that will have to wait until the weekend because I will need a

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Andy
If we go there, there is probably a host of other possibilities too - vodka etc., but not sure if anyone makes that in the uk?   Then there is gin - no idea how you make that There is a Gin distillery in Plymouth (sadly unmapped, will fix soon) Andy

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Graham Jones
Problem - I've entered a couple of microbreweries where your map selects the name of the pub rather than the name of the microbrewery located on the same site e.g http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/136989676 where I've tagged the pub with name= and the brewery with name_1= . Perhaps

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Ed Loach
I just wondered whether when mapping breweries whether we are using name for the name of the brewery and operator for the company that brews there. For smaller companies they may not have named their brewery, so name might do for the operator. Or are we using name for the brewing company and

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 14 November 2011 13:32, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: Several old breweries have Wikipedia articles; it would be good, please, if you could include those links, where present, in your pop-up. Is there a tag used for wikipedia articles? Yes:

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 14 November 2011 16:20, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 14 November 2011 13:32, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: Several old breweries have Wikipedia articles; it would be good, please, if you could include those links, where present, in your pop-up. Is there

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Craig Loftus
There is: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:industrial%3Dauto_wrecker and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project/Oil_and_Gas_Infrastructur e which use the industrial key already and so far I can't find any pages using industry key (apart from the brewery page). I think that is a

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Craig Loftus
On 14 November 2011 14:58, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: I just wondered whether when mapping breweries whether we are using name for the name of the brewery and operator for the company that brews there. For smaller companies they may not have named their brewery, so name might do for the

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone Browsing around Burton to see why there are so many Coors Breweries in the tagquery page ( there are 3 sites tagged but only one rendering at the moment) I came across the National Brewery Centre tagged as a museum. As it has Brewery in its name I would have expected to see it in the

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread SomeoneElse
Brian Prangle wrote: Hi everyone Browsing around Burton to see why there are so many Coors Breweries in the tagquery page ( there are 3 sites tagged but only one rendering at the moment) I came across the National Brewery Centre tagged as a museum. I believe that it's both, actually. It

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 November 2011 22:46, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: UK BrewMap rendering, using the craft=brewery | industry=brewery | microbrewery=yes scheme. A friend has just sent me a link to this site: http://www.quaffale.org.uk/ one of the most up to date lists of UK based

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Graham Jones
I came across the National Brewery Centre tagged as a museum. As it has Brewery in its name I would have expected to see it in the tagQueries page. I'll have to think about that. As far as I can tell it should appear on the tagQueries list. The select statement to pick out the entries in

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Hoyle
This project is perfect, so to chip in I've added The Chiltern Brewery north of Princes Risborough and also fixed the tags on Fuller's Griffin Brewery in Chiswick, both of which I know well. Looking forward to seeing them turn up on the map Will the map pick up on pubs too? *cough* I know

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Someoneelse wrote: I believe that it's both, actually. It was the Bass Museum, then got closed and eventually reopened under its current name after the musical chairs enforced by the MMC when Interbrew had to sell Bass to Coors. FWIW I think it was the Bass Museum; then the Coors Visitor

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-13 Thread Graham Jones
Hi Folks, Okay. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Breweries With some help from Craig Loftus, and a bottle of Old Speckled Hen, I have set up a first go at a UK BrewMap rendering, using the craft=brewery | industry=brewery | microbrewery=yes scheme. You should be

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-08 Thread Andy Allan
On 7 November 2011 16:58, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: Generally you shouldn't consider any performance implications when creating a tag, because you don't know what will change in the next version of the code. Very true. The

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-08 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 08/11/2011 11:12, Andy Allan wrote: The easy-for-mappers-but-maybe-a-bit-computationally-intensive scheme you're trying to avoid Colon-delineated key namespaces are the exact opposite of easy-for-mappers, Sorry if I wasn't clear -- I wasn't necessarily referring to colons and

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Andy, On 11/08/2011 12:12 PM, Andy Allan wrote: Colon-delineated key namespaces are the exact opposite of easy-for-mappers, for all bar a very few ultra-geeky mappers. Who happen to be the kind of people to invent new colon-delineated key namespaces and find them easy to use, as it happens.

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-08 Thread Craig Loftus
Who happen to be the kind of people to invent new colon-delineated key namespaces and find them easy to use, as it happens. I almost feel guilty for bring them up, but only almost because it has been illuminating. In mentioning them, apart from trying to be as open as possible, I was also

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
To: Andy Robinson Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK Hi everyone Thanks to everyone who made suggestions. If we can build on Graham's initial efforts I think we can get a great map  and do some some interesting surveying

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-07 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 05/11/2011 21:48, Graham Jones wrote: I know that tagging for the renderer is frowned upon, but I really do not like all these colons in key names, because (as far as I know) that means having an extra column in the database produced by osm2pgsql for renderingand every time I want to add

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-07 Thread Graham Jones
Hi Jonathan, I don't claim to be an osm2pgsql expert, but I think that's a misunderstanding of the situation. I think *any* new tag added to osm.xml results in an extra column, whether it has a colon or not. You are right, the colons are not significant. What I should have said is that I do

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-06 Thread Craig Loftus
If someone puts up a wiki page with the proposed tagging scheme, I will set up a renderer for it. Okay. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Breweries I've tried to distil the suggestions from the whole thread copying the structure of Graham's Historic Britain project.

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-05 Thread Craig Loftus
On 4 November 2011 22:10, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 04/11/2011 10:49, Craig Loftus wrote: Using that as a basis we could tag building=distillery building=brewery building=cider_press building=perry_press How would you tag multi use buildings? For cider and perry I think

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-05 Thread Steve Doerr
On 05/11/2011 15:05, Craig Loftus wrote: For cider and perry I think the building is usually called a mill? OED defines 'cider-mill' as 'a mill in which apples are crushed for making cider', but also has 'cider-house' = 'a building in which cider is made'. -- Steve

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-05 Thread Graham Jones
It might be better to use building=mill/press/barn? As I think the building=* key is loosely supposed to represent the design of the building rather than what people do inside it. We still need a multi *use* convention though. Taking craft=*, the documented style would see us use semi-colon

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-04 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone Thanks to everyone who made suggestions. If we can build on Graham's initial efforts I think we can get a great map and do some some interesting surveying with an incentive to get people out mapping! As a first pass on a tagging scheme can I suggest we follow the wiki page at

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-04 Thread SomeoneElse
Brian Prangle wrote: How to distinguish real ale from industrial mass market breweries? Put something descriptive in real_ale= perhaps? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-04 Thread Ed Loach
into a national database, but I’ve not heard how that is progressing. Ed From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 November 2011 08:58 To: Andy Robinson Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK Hi everyone Thanks

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-04 Thread Craig Loftus
Using that as a basis we could tag building=distillery building=brewery building=cider_press building=perry_press (that should remove any spurious entries like Brewery Apartments if we just do a search on names) Working within existing key definitions, I'm not sure this solves that

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-04 Thread Dave F.
On 04/11/2011 10:49, Craig Loftus wrote: Using that as a basis we could tag building=distillery building=brewery building=cider_press building=perry_press How would you tag multi use buildings? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-10-31 Thread Andy Robinson
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote Sent: 30 October 2011 20:43 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK Brian Prangle wrote: what do you call places where they make cider/perry? awesome I was going to suggest under pressure Cheers

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-10-30 Thread Andy Mabbett
Jon Bounds (@bounder on Twitter) used OSM to render a map of all the pubs in Birmingham - nothing else, just the pub names. There were obvious gaps in Bournville and Edgbaston. It was shown in an art exhibition he curated, at the newly re-opened MAC. Prints were also available to buy. -- Andy

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