Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-07 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
Public Rights of Way mapping is one of my OSM hobbies, and I've done quite a bit in my local area of Norfolk and Suffolk. I've also put together a tool to compare OSM coverage with official (OGL-licensed) data from the two councils: http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/prow/progress/ . (As an aside, I'd

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-02-07 20:15, Adam Snape wrote: > Colin, the Ramblers' 'Blue Book' is a standard recommended guide to law and > practice. Sadly, I've lent my copy out so can't quote chapter and verse but > it does cover the right to deviate and also the right to abate a public > nuisance. The general

[Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-07 Thread Adam Snape
"I disagree with you here, the walkable line should be mapped as the right of way whether it follows the definitive line or not. It absolutely should not be mapped as permissive, the landowner is not giving permission. If the definitive line is obstructed you have an absolute right to go around

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Feb 7 15:04:22 2017 GMT, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2017-02-07 15:01, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > Hi Adam, welcome to the list. > > > > If the definitive line is obstructed you have an absolute right to go > > around it. > > Are you sure about this? I would expect that you only have a right

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-02-07 15:01, Philip Barnes wrote: > Hi Adam, welcome to the list. > > If the definitive line is obstructed you have an absolute right to go around > it. Are you sure about this? I would expect that you only have a right to report the obstruction to the LA or apply to the courts.

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-07 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi Adam, welcome to the list. On Tue Feb 7 13:26:00 2017 GMT, Adam Snape wrote: > Hi all, > > This is my first post to this (or indeed any) mailing list. Apologies if > I've made any errors. > > I agree with Colin that we should certainly not be assuming permissive > status for paths which are

[Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-07 Thread Adam Snape
Hi all, This is my first post to this (or indeed any) mailing list. Apologies if I've made any errors. I agree with Colin that we should certainly not be assuming permissive status for paths which are not included on the definitive map. The DM is legally definitive in the rights that it shows

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2017-02-06 at 14:53 +, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 06/02/2017 11:18, Colin Smale wrote: > > > > >    > >   On 2017-02-06 09:57, Dave F wrote: > >    > > >  On 05/02/2017 11:33, > > > Colin Smale wrote: > > > > > > > > > >   Any

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/02/2017 11:18, Colin Smale wrote: On 2017-02-06 09:57, Dave F wrote: On 05/02/2017 11:33, Colin Smale wrote: Any paths that no longer follow the official route (as per the DM/DS) should not be tagged as PROW and probably as access=permissive unless they go across otherwise public

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-06 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-02-06 09:57, Dave F wrote: > On 05/02/2017 11:33, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Any paths that no longer follow the official route (as per the DM/DS) should >> not be tagged as PROW and probably as access=permissive unless they go >> across otherwise public land. The official route is still

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-06 Thread Dave F
On 05/02/2017 11:33, Colin Smale wrote: Any paths that no longer follow the official route (as per the DM/DS) should not be tagged as PROW and probably as access=permissive unless they go across otherwise public land. The official route is still a public right of way, it's just no longer

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-05 Thread SK53
gt; I think I'll take each case on its merits as at the moment I can't see a > 'rule' that will be sensible for everything. > > Cheers, > Rob > > > - Original Message - > *From:* SK53 <sk53....@gmail.com> > *To:* Rob <r...@care4free.net> > *Cc:* T

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-05 Thread Rob
' that will be sensible for everything. Cheers, Rob - Original Message - From: SK53 To: Rob Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate. Hi Rob, Generally the ideal is a path

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-05 Thread SK53
yright if the > route can be determined only from the definitive map (based on the OS map). > > Regards, > Rob > > > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> > *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > *Sent:* Sunday, February 05, 2017 11:33

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-05 Thread Rob
-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate. Hi, I'm a relative newcomer to contributing to OSM but trying to get to grips as quickly as possible with the consensus on various topics, one of which

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-05 Thread Rob
can be determined only from the definitive map (based on the OS map). Regards, Rob - Original Message - From: Colin Smale To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate. My understanding

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-05 Thread Colin Smale
My understanding is that the definitive data held by the appropriate local authority is exactly that, definitive. There may be legitimate errors in there of course, but where a path has been willfully and legally rerouted, that is a different type of error - lack of currency, i.e. an order has

[Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

2017-02-05 Thread Dave F
Hi If you're using local authority data/os open data to map paths, as a contributor current is in Somerset, please don't assume their layout corresponds with what's on the ground or is more accurate than what's mapped in OSM. These official ways are often outdated, being based on redundant