Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-30 Thread Tim Waters
At first look I thought this was a once-hedge, a hedge that's been left to itself. But each tree is equally spaced, looks the same age, doesn't seem pollarded or coppiced as what you might expect a tree in a hedge to be, and so I don't think that's the case now. So to my mind now, it's a fence,

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Warin
On 28/08/18 04:00, Chris Hill wrote: On 27/08/2018 18:09, Martin Wynne wrote: Landuse=highway does have some usage, and certainly the term forbidden does not exist in OSM. There is no such thing as available, if you think a new tag is needed then you can use it.

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Mike Evans
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:09:53 +0100 Martin Wynne wrote: > the point of adding it to the database? If I put landuse=ufo_landing_pad > who would ever know that it is in there? I'm sure that an actual on-the-ground verified UFO landing pad really would be a valuable addition. Mike E -- GPG

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Chris Hill
On 27/08/2018 18:09, Martin Wynne wrote: Landuse=highway does have some usage, and certainly the term forbidden does not exist in OSM. There is no such thing as available, if you think a new tag is needed then you can use it.

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Martin Wynne
Landuse=highway does have some usage, and certainly the term forbidden does not exist in OSM. There is no such thing as available, if you think a new tag is needed then you can use it. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dhighway Hi Phil, I'm confused. If anyone

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-08-27 at 15:52 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > > Certainly as clear as mud, a router will should only look on the > > left > > side. How is that any different to landuse=railway? > > > > Phil (trigpoint) > > Hi Phil, > > For railways you can have landuse=railway_corridor for sidings

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Martin Wynne
Certainly as clear as mud, a router will should only look on the left side. How is that any different to landuse=railway? Phil (trigpoint) Hi Phil, For railways you can have landuse=railway_corridor for sidings and other wide areas inside the railway's boundary fence. But there doesn't

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-08-27 at 15:29 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > > > What you can't do is have landuse=highway, which would otherwise > > > be > > > the most logical way to deal with such areas. > > > > > > > Why not? I agree it is the most logical way of treating these > > areas. > > > > Phil

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Martin Wynne
What you can't do is have landuse=highway, which would otherwise be the most logical way to deal with such areas. Why not? I agree it is the most logical way of treating these areas. Phil (trigpoint) Hi Phil, I was told on one of the forums that it was forbidden, because it affects routing

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-08-27 at 13:48 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > What you can't do is have landuse=highway, which would otherwise be > the  > most logical way to deal with such areas. > Why not? I agree it is the most logical way of treating these areas. Phil (trigpoint)

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Martin Wynne
Another instance where this can cause problems is something like a public square, in many cases these are legally highways even if they are, at least most of the time, pedestrianised. But you can't tag an area as a highway, only a way. So you can't tag a public open space as a highway even if,

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread David Woolley
On 27/08/18 04:20, Chris Jones wrote: 1) The boundary is is clearly a fence. Thats what stops you just walking across. Also OSM should not pretend to indicate legal boundaries. In fact, in the real world, these can be quite fuzzy, as they depend on verbal descriptions, or rough maps from

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Philip Withnall
On Sun, 2018-08-26 at 20:35 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > Rural boundaries can be extraordinarily difficult to map. For > example, > is this: > > https://goo.gl/maps/FtjMZiwNj542 > > a) a fence, > > b) a hedge, > > c) a very narrow wood, > > d) all three at the same time? > > Is the area

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-26 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Martin, 1) The boundary is is clearly a fence. Thats what stops you just walking across. You can map the trees as several natural : tree or a tree_row depending on how long the row is I guess. Certainly not a hedge or wood. 2) The road is a highway, the grass is a verge.. the wiki suggests

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-26 Thread Dave F
When someone's appearance is still presentable after being dragged backwards through one. DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-26 Thread Mark Goodge
On 26/08/2018 23:16, Martin Wynne wrote: Both. It's administratively and legally part of the highway, but it's the part of the highway which consists of a grass verge. Thanks Mark. I think I should map that as landuse=highway landcover=grass However for some inexplicable reason,

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-26 Thread Martin Wynne
Both. It's administratively and legally part of the highway, but it's the part of the highway which consists of a grass verge. Thanks Mark. I think I should map that as landuse=highway landcover=grass However for some inexplicable reason, landuse=highway isn't allowed. I was told the

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-26 Thread Mark Goodge
On 26/08/2018 20:35, Martin Wynne wrote: Rural boundaries can be extraordinarily difficult to map. For example, is this:  https://goo.gl/maps/FtjMZiwNj542 a) a fence, b) a hedge, c) a very narrow wood, d) all three at the same time? I'd call it a hedgerow. I'm not sure if OSM has a

[Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-26 Thread Martin Wynne
Rural boundaries can be extraordinarily difficult to map. For example, is this: https://goo.gl/maps/FtjMZiwNj542 a) a fence, b) a hedge, c) a very narrow wood, d) all three at the same time? Is the area in front of it a) grass, b) highway, c) both? (Not mapping from Google, I walked