[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Licence change

2011-04-19 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
West Mids mappers... If you haven't logged into your OSM account or done any editing recently you may be unaware of the forthcoming proposed licence change for OSM. A major part of that process is to sign up to new contributor terms. If you have not logged into OSM recently could you please do

[Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Andy Allan
Hi All, In making my recent transport map[1] I've found there's a (relatively) large number of nodes in the UK tagged railway=station, when they aren't stations (and often aren't any railways there, either). I'm proposing that we don't tag former, disused or fictional stations in a way that

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Tom Chance
On 19 April 2011 09:21, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I realise that there are additional tags to try to indicate that they don't exist (such as disused=yes) but I don't think this is a particularly useful approach I completely agree. As a fellow data user, I think the rule of

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Bob Kerr
I agree Cheers Bob --- On Tue, 19/4/11, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com Subject: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station To: Talk-GB talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Date: Tuesday, 19 April, 2011, 8:21 Hi All, In making my recent

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Avis
Andy Allan gravitystorm@... writes: In making my recent transport map[1] I've found there's a (relatively) large number of nodes in the UK tagged railway=station, when they aren't stations I realise that there are additional tags to try to indicate that they don't exist (such as disused=yes)

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread 80n
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: I've even seen status=desire to indicate that a path doesn't exist, but it would be nice if it did... Ed, you might be mis-understanding the meaning of that tag. Desire paths do very much exist on the ground and don't fall

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Avis
80n 80n80n@... writes: I've even seen status=desire Here's a description, and a nice photo, of a desire path: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path Ah, you're right. I'm glad I didn't try to retag it. -- Ed Avis e...@waniassset.com ___

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Lennard
Any unambiguous tagging scheme you can think of would be fine. (railway=abandoned_station would also be possible) This variant has the added benefit that it would make it into most current rendering databases for free. Data users that do want to show this, don't have to do anything special to

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Lester Caine
Lennard wrote: Any unambiguous tagging scheme you can think of would be fine. (railway=abandoned_station would also be possible) This variant has the added benefit that it would make it into most current rendering databases for free. Data users that do want to show this, don't have to do

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/19/11 11:10, Lennard wrote: Granted, as a maintainer of a few maps, I'm biased. I just detest those negating tags. This is a $shazbaz. Oh, no, it isn't! It's often natural language that makes people do that. For example, people say: This is a railway line under construction, or

Re: [Talk-GB] Things that aren't stations tagged railway=station

2011-04-19 Thread Peter Miller
On 19 April 2011 10:30, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Lennard wrote: Any unambiguous tagging scheme you can think of would be fine. (railway=abandoned_station would also be possible) This variant has the added benefit that it would make it into most current rendering databases

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-19 Thread TimSC
I have been wondering how much data has been imported into OSM from OS Opendata and who has accepted the CTs. I still think that the CTs ask for rights to be granted that are broader than are granted by the Opendata license. This point is disputed by Richard and others. Here are the most

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/19/11 12:32, TimSC wrote: I still think that the CTs ask for rights to be granted that are broader than are granted by the Opendata license. This point is disputed by Richard and others. Here are the most prolific Opendata users (in terms of version 1 objects) that have accepted the

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-19 Thread TimSC
On 19/04/11 11:45, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 04/19/11 12:32, TimSC wrote: I still think that the CTs ask for rights to be granted that are broader than are granted by the Opendata license. This point is disputed by Richard and others. Here are the most prolific Opendata users (in terms of

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-19 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 18 April 2011 23:21, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Richard Bullock wrote: It's on the Copyright page though http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright United Kingdom: Contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown copyright and database right 2010. That is, IIRC, what we were required to

[Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread Peter Miller
Andy Allan just asked me a question privately about changes I have made to layers in Wandsworth which has prompted me to do a post here saying what I have been up in order to rationalise use of the layers in East Anglia, London and now Kent. The ITO Map 'Layers' view highlighted a huge amount of

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-19 Thread Peter Miller
On 19 April 2011 14:14, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence On 19/04/11

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/04/2011 14:31, Peter Miller wrote: ... railways at layer=1 or -1 Well, that might be correct if they're at layer -1 or +1 relative to a feature that hasn't been mapped yet. A conversation with the original mappers (or a visit) should be able to resolve that easily. In the process

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Andy Allan just asked me a question privately about changes I have made to layers in Wandsworth which has prompted me to do a post here saying what I have been up in order to rationalise use of the layers in East

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread Tom Hughes
On 19/04/11 14:50, Andy Allan wrote: He's also removed the layer tags from stretches of the railway, for example at http://osm.org/go/euunor2Ku-- which again, those of us who know that area know the railway is on a

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread Matt Williams
On 19 April 2011 15:50, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'm assuming his map layers view has some logic that layers tags only apply to ways that cross but I don't believe that to be true. Actually, that's exactly how I understood the layer tag to be used. It is simply there to

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread Peter Miller
On 19 April 2011 14:49, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 19/04/2011 14:31, Peter Miller wrote: ... railways at layer=1 or -1 Well, that might be correct if they're at layer -1 or +1 relative to a feature that hasn't been mapped yet. A conversation with the original

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: On 19 April 2011 15:50, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'm assuming his map layers view has some logic that layers tags only apply to ways that cross but I don't believe that to be true. Actually, that's

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread Peter Miller
On 19 April 2011 14:50, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Andy Allan just asked me a question privately about changes I have made to layers in Wandsworth which has prompted me to do a post here saying

[Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-19 Thread monxton
Lately I've been doing some tagging of the South-West region of the National Byway, and I'm finding it quite disappointing that it is not rendered on the cycle map. I've rummaged around in the history of this issue and located what I think are the most relevant thread starters:

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread Peter Miller
On 19 April 2011 15:20, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: On 19 April 2011 15:50, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'm assuming his map layers view has some logic that layers tags only apply to ways

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/04/2011 15:26, Peter Miller wrote: That is not what the wiki says (and said before my edits). Before my edits it said: ... It really doesn't matter what the wiki says. What matters is that someone's mapped something and recorded some information and you're removing that

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-19 Thread martyn
I recently cycled following Byway signs to the Cambridgeshire border near Gamlingay (where the signs disappeared ..) I later extended the relation for that part of the Byway which I found by searching the Wiki. The Sustrans network is often better mapped in OSM than on the Sustrans website.

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-19 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
monxton [mailto:gm...@jordan-maynard.org] wrote: Sent: 19 April 2011 3:24 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap Lately I've been doing some tagging of the South-West region of the National Byway, and I'm finding it quite disappointing that

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-19 Thread Brian Prangle
Being cast as the most guilty party threatening OSM by having the greatest number of OS data edits and signing the CTs - I thought I'd contribute to make it clear where I stand. I'm absolutely with Peter Miller on this. I trust the OSMF implicitly to get it right which is why I signed the CTs.

[Talk-GB] Another Nottingham Pub Meet-up Week after Easter

2011-04-19 Thread Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM
I've been remiss in getting another Nottingham Pub Meet-up organised. I'm going to suggest next Tuesday 26th April at the Lincolnshire Poacher, Mansfield Road, from 19:30 onwards. Preferably in the back-room snug. I'll check out if they do food at that time. I'll be outside at 18:30 for

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-19 Thread Graham Jones
I have also made some contributions based on OS OpenData and have just accepted the new CTs. I am disappointed that it got to the point that we had to accept or decline the new terms before the issue over the OS data has been settled, but reasoned that the vast majority of my contributions have

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-19 Thread monxton
On 19/04/2011 17:05, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: monxton [mailto:gm...@jordan-maynard.org] wrote: These, and other threads I haven't listed, tend to end with Andy saying that he will render the National Byway tags in their own colour some time in the future. I guess we need

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence

2011-04-19 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 19 April 2011 20:06, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: Declining the new terms would have been silly because it would have meant my non-OS based contributions being removed, That would only be the case if/when we proceed to the next stage in the licence change process and you