Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: jonathan [mailto:jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me] Sent: 02 March 2014 22:48 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery Yes, I was seeing that Steve. I assumed it was due to local caching by JOSM, you see your old version briefly before the newer tile is dragged down into the cache. I'm guessing but seems likely? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 02/03/2014 15:39, Steve Brook wrote: I am getting a strange effect in JOSM where, as I move around I get a flash of the old higher quality image which then degrades to the newer poor quality image. Is the old stuff available but being superseded or overwritten by the new inferior images - any explanations. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3705/7142 - Release Date: 03/02/14 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery - West Midlands
Interestingly, Bing imagery that was present in December but missing in January has now reappeared: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=18/52.72279/-2.12197 so perhaps some kind of scheduled renewal process? Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/ 53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Has anyone tried contacting Microsoft? Chris On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Eric Grosso eric.grosso...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/ 53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Life is not the amount of times you breathe, is the moments that take your breath away. To all things comes an end. And to all things comes a beginning. Cred in inspirat, nu in expirat. in vise, nu in somn. In trait, nu in existat. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery (http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Will, Could you please give an example of an area where the others, e.g. SK53, can see the high-resolution imagery in order to see if it works for us. Thanks, Eric On 3 March 2014 16:35, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Eric, Try here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.92611mlon=-1.21314#map=18/52.92611/-1.21314 At this location, I can see the roof of a supermarket at zoom level 19. I get a 'No tiles at this zoom level' message if I zoom in further. Previously, I would see an area of waste ground before the supermarket was built at zoom 20. And an even older view of the site at zoom level 21. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 18:15, Eric Grosso wrote: Will, Could you please give an example of an area where the others, e.g. SK53, can see the high-resolution imagery in order to see if it works for us. Thanks, Eric On 3 March 2014 16:35, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com mailto:wp4...@gmail.com wrote: What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery (http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery
Will, Thanks. Same here. Eric On 3 March 2014 18:42, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, Try here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.92611mlon=-1.21314#map=18/52.92611/-1.21314 At this location, I can see the roof of a supermarket at zoom level 19. I get a 'No tiles at this zoom level' message if I zoom in further. Previously, I would see an area of waste ground before the supermarket was built at zoom 20. And an even older view of the site at zoom level 21. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 18:15, Eric Grosso wrote: Will, Could you please give an example of an area where the others, e.g. SK53, can see the high-resolution imagery in order to see if it works for us. Thanks, Eric On 3 March 2014 16:35, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others, including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve Brook's message yesterday. Regards, Will On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote: Hi all, I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning of last December: - (5 December) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html - (7 December) https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592 Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16 here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408. @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8 Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D Bing maps data: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery ( http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently unsolvable. Cheers, Eric On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Andy Robinson wrote: Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at different zoom levels. I don't anything missing. Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456 (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom) At z19 there's the current road layout. At z20 (or 21?) the old road layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a road). I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new configuration. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
