Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Adam Snape
It seems a bit odd for Osmose to be flagging highway=footway, foot=yes as an error just because foot access is implied by default. Whilst there might be the tiniest bit of redundancy I can't see any particular reason to remove it and, indeed, there might be an argument that an explicit tag is

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Lester Caine
On 10/07/2020 22:27, Nick wrote: Hi Lester I think there needs to be some thought as to the "proper channel to feed corrections to the 'data officer' responsible". It took me months to get a 'data officer' to correct the location of a single UPRN, so my thought is that this needs to be a

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Nick
Hi Lester I think there needs to be some thought as to the "proper channel to feed corrections to the 'data officer' responsible". It took me months to get a 'data officer' to correct the location of a single UPRN, so my thought is that this needs to be a 'public' (open) channel that shows a)

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Hi, I'm the changeset commenter, I added the foot=yes on the common based on it being a registered common with definite legal access. I also add foot=yes to signed public footpaths. I would only add foot=designated where there is a blue person sign or similar (not a green/wooden public footpath

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Mike Baggaley
>I have been doing some tidying based on Osmose, including the warning for >highway=footway foot=yes, which is often left over >from a preset in Potlatch >1. > >https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87672607 > >I got a changeset comment querying the edit. Hi Andrew, My understanding is that

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Adam Snape
Hi, It's worth pointing out that if Wimbledon Common is (as I assume) registered as common land then there would normally be a legal right of access on foot under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000, so foot=yes would be correct. Kind regards, Adam

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Goodge
On 10/07/2020 16:00, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: After not having any luck in finding out of copyright maps that helped I wondered, if a FOI request to Ealing Council, naming the exact location and asking for the name would be fruitful. Did anyone ever try something like this? Would this

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Goodge
On 10/07/2020 14:21, Lester Caine wrote: On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: This is, of course, one of the problems with proprietary data. It can be difficult to spot errors, because the people who are most likely to spot errors - members of the general public with local knowledge -

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-07-10 at 11:54 +, Andrew Hain wrote: > I have been doing some tidying based on Osmose, including the warning > for highway=footway foot=yes, which is often left over from a preset > in Potlatch 1. > > > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87672607 > > > > > > I

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Kai Michael Poppe - OSM
Thank you for this absolute masterpiece of detective work, Marc! I'd never thought that looking through old Notes would spark such an interest :) As reported before, my own dip into having USRN data underlying JOSM at that particular point showed that this stub (in USRN the part where the

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
Jul 10, 2020, 14:49 by ajt1...@gmail.com: > On 10/07/2020 12:54, Andrew Hain wrote: > >> I have been doing some tidying based on Osmose, including the warning for >> highway=footway foot=yes, which is often left over from a preset in Potlatch >> 1. >> >>

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Robert Skedgell
On 10/07/2020 13:35, David Woolley wrote: > On 10/07/2020 13:11, Colin Smale wrote: >> What does "legally accessible" mean? Are they Public Footpaths? Do we >> tag all Public Footpaths with an explicit "foot=yes" or is >> "designation=public_footpath" enough? >> > > I don't know the situation in

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Lester Caine
On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: This is, of course, one of the problems with proprietary data. It can be difficult to spot errors, because the people who are most likely to spot errors - members of the general public with local knowledge - tend not to have easy access to the data.

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Andy Townsend
(apologies for the double reply) I just remembered I wrote a diary entry last year about this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/391053 . That has some useful links in such as a pointer to the start of "designation" tagging, in 2009:

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Andy Townsend
On 10/07/2020 12:54, Andrew Hain wrote: I have been doing some tidying based on Osmose, including the warning for highway=footway foot=yes, which is often left over from a preset in Potlatch 1. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87672607 If Osmose is flagging "highway=footway;foot=yes"

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread David Woolley
On 10/07/2020 13:11, Colin Smale wrote: What does "legally accessible" mean? Are they Public Footpaths? Do we tag all Public Footpaths with an explicit "foot=yes" or is "designation=public_footpath" enough? I don't know the situation in Wimbledon Common, but most footpaths in public park

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Silent Spike
The changeset comment seems backwards to me, foot=designated is more specific than foot=yes (which would be the default for any mapped footpath). On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:12 PM Colin Smale wrote: > What does "legally accessible" mean? Are they Public Footpaths? Do we tag > all Public Footpaths

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Colin Smale
What does "legally accessible" mean? Are they Public Footpaths? Do we tag all Public Footpaths with an explicit "foot=yes" or is "designation=public_footpath" enough? On 2020-07-10 13:54, Andrew Hain wrote: > I have been doing some tidying based on Osmose, including the warning for >

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Dan S
I have always believed that highway=footway in the UK implies foot=yes (and not foot=designated), though I actually don't know if UK tagging practice is successfully documented. IMHO the use of "designated" is quite specific and probably shouldn't be assumed as an invisible default. Best Dan Op

[Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

2020-07-10 Thread Andrew Hain
I have been doing some tidying based on Osmose, including the warning for highway=footway foot=yes, which is often left over from a preset in Potlatch 1. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87672607 I got a changeset comment querying the edit. * I note you have removed foot=yes

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Nick
Hi Mark Brilliant comment - "because the people who are most likely to spot errors - members of the general public with local knowledge - tend not to have easy access to the data". Now we need the evidence (errors) collated centrally (OSM?). On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: Apologies

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread James Derrick
Hi, On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: So this is a bit of a warning, really, for the open mapping community. Although the open data release of USRN ids and coordinates is welcome, don't be tempted to look up street names on the street list published, with a restrictive licence, on

[Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Goodge
Apologies for the long read, but this may be interesting to some folk. This follows on from my earlier response to Kai Michael Poppe about "Fairfield Road" in Ealing. On 04/07/2020 12:02, I wrote: To find the USRN of the path, you need to use the lookup tables supplied by OS. Doing that, we