Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?
Sorry for the long-delayed follow-up. On 2020-01-01 12:43, Philip Barnes wrote: They are certainly not post boxes, I have used amenity=vending_machine, vending=parcel_pickup which is a combination that probably came from asking on #osm. For example my local one https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5978482863 Thank you. I was, finally, about to update along similar lines, and also add a couple in my immediate area, but... https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Pna indicates the taging has a fair amount of useage. Indeed there are several so it would be best to follow the pattern, and I now see this is documented at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parcel_lockers_in_the_United_Kingdom On the way to "vending machine" I discovered there's button in iD which fills the tags. Good. I ran a query and found there are also two nodes in the UK with amenity=parcel_pickup. These don't seem to conform to accepted practice but without further information it's probably wrong to amend them. There is also a proposal for amenity=parcel_lockers https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Parcel_lockers_and_parcel_postbox. This has been used twice in the Glasgow area and a few times in Europe, but not as widely as the existing convention. So I've learnt quite a bit from your (and others') response. Many thanks. Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?
On 01/01/2020 12:49, Martin Wynne wrote: See also man_made=street_cabinet. The wiki page invites us to add additional usage tags: True, but it's not really a good idea to "expand" the meaning of a key that's already in use too far - it just makes it harder to identify the (in this case) "original street cabinets" used for roadside wiring etc. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet perhaps street_cabinet=pickup_locker The actual values used for this key can be seen at https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/street_cabinet#values , and no-one seems to be using it for e.g. Amazon / Inpost lockers. Instead, Phil's example of https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5978482863 is a fairly typical example, except that worldwide quite a lot of these from various providers seem to be two-way - see https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/vending#values . Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?
I had mapped, but forgotten to add the operator to the Inpost locker at Morrisions. The only thing I have ever collected from Inpost are my two interrail passes for SOTM Milan and SOTM Heidelberg. Maybe a Morrions without such lockers mapped is a survey opportunity? Phil (trigpoint) On Wed, 2020-01-01 at 12:51 +, Tony OSM wrote: > Hi > > My local Morrisons supermarket has 2 sets, I have tagged > > amenity=vending_machine > > operator=InPost (2nd one has Amazon) > > vending=parcel_pickup;parcel_mail_in (these machines often receive > parcels as well as deliver them) > > location=indoor|outdoor could useful - i've just added this while > writing > > They don't render on the 'standard' map, but the data is there if > anyone > wants to render > > Happy Mapping New Year > > TonyS999 > > On 01/01/2020 12:18, Dan Glover wrote: > > Please forgive me if this is has been debated previously - I'm new > > here and having trouble finding a searchable archive for this list. > > > > A local mapper has added an Amazon "Hub Locker", tagged as > > amenity=post_box. This causes it to flag as an anomaly when > > comparing > > against Royal Mail data. My view is this is not a "post box" since > > it > > forms part of delivery rather than collection arrangements. > > > > However I can see there may be some benefit in mapping such > > facilities, albeit anyone wanting to use it will need to make > > advance > > arrangements with Amazon and chose from a list of locations. This > > is > > a different situation to Royal Mail where there is no official > > "post > > box finder" and one is at liberty to use any convenient box at any > > time. Searching the OSM Wiki doesn't seem to provide any specific > > guidance but hints that Amazon might be persuaded to contribute > > the > > locations directly, since they are apparently both consumers and > > contributors to OSM. > > > > Arguably parcel drop-off points for Hermes and so forth might be > > suitable for inclusion, though they're not a stand-alone feature > > but > > part of facilities at a premises and again require advance action > > by > > the user to select . > > > > Is there existing policy/guidance/consensus and if not, what is > > the > > best way to proceed? > > > > > > Dan > > > > ___ > > Talk-GB mailing list > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?
Remember that features in OpenStreetMap are not only useful for finding those features. If you know a region has the pickup lockers all mapped, you could do analysis such as density of their locations (do they favour more expensive neighbourhoods, or how accessible are they by traffic-free cycle routes, and so forth). You could even start looking at history of where they've been removed or how they've increased in number. This is not so possible by the list you select from when making a purchase. Gregory. On Wed, 1 Jan 2020, 12:43 Philip Barnes, wrote: > They are certainly not post boxes, I have used amenity=vending_machine, > vending=parcel_pickup which is a combination that probably came from > asking on #osm. > > > For example my local one https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5978482863 > > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Pna indicates the taging has a fair amount > of useage. > > HTH > Phil (trigpoint) > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-01 at 12:18 +, Dan Glover wrote: > > Please forgive me if this is has been debated previously - I'm new > > here > > and having trouble finding a searchable archive for this list. > > > > A local mapper has added an Amazon "Hub Locker", tagged as > > amenity=post_box. This causes it to flag as an anomaly when > > comparing > > against Royal Mail data. My view is this is not a "post box" since > > it > > forms part of delivery rather than collection arrangements. > > > > However I can see there may be some benefit in mapping such > > facilities, > > albeit anyone wanting to use it will need to make advance > > arrangements > > with Amazon and chose from a list of locations. This is a different > > situation to Royal Mail where there is no official "post box finder" > > and > > one is at liberty to use any convenient box at any time. Searching > > the > > OSM Wiki doesn't seem to provide any specific guidance but hints > > that > > Amazon might be persuaded to contribute the locations directly, > > since > > they are apparently both consumers and contributors to OSM. > > > > Arguably parcel drop-off points for Hermes and so forth might be > > suitable for inclusion, though they're not a stand-alone feature but > > part of facilities at a premises and again require advance action by > > the > > user to select . > > > > Is there existing policy/guidance/consensus and if not, what is the > > best > > way to proceed? > > > > > > Dan > > > > ___ > > Talk-GB mailing list > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?
Hi Dan, See also man_made=street_cabinet. The wiki page invites us to add additional usage tags: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet perhaps street_cabinet=pickup_locker cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?
They are certainly not post boxes, I have used amenity=vending_machine, vending=parcel_pickup which is a combination that probably came from asking on #osm. For example my local one https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5978482863 https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Pna indicates the taging has a fair amount of useage. HTH Phil (trigpoint) On Wed, 2020-01-01 at 12:18 +, Dan Glover wrote: > Please forgive me if this is has been debated previously - I'm new > here > and having trouble finding a searchable archive for this list. > > A local mapper has added an Amazon "Hub Locker", tagged as > amenity=post_box. This causes it to flag as an anomaly when > comparing > against Royal Mail data. My view is this is not a "post box" since > it > forms part of delivery rather than collection arrangements. > > However I can see there may be some benefit in mapping such > facilities, > albeit anyone wanting to use it will need to make advance > arrangements > with Amazon and chose from a list of locations. This is a different > situation to Royal Mail where there is no official "post box finder" > and > one is at liberty to use any convenient box at any time. Searching > the > OSM Wiki doesn't seem to provide any specific guidance but hints > that > Amazon might be persuaded to contribute the locations directly, > since > they are apparently both consumers and contributors to OSM. > > Arguably parcel drop-off points for Hermes and so forth might be > suitable for inclusion, though they're not a stand-alone feature but > part of facilities at a premises and again require advance action by > the > user to select . > > Is there existing policy/guidance/consensus and if not, what is the > best > way to proceed? > > > Dan > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Amazon pickup lockers - how to represent (if at all)?
Please forgive me if this is has been debated previously - I'm new here and having trouble finding a searchable archive for this list. A local mapper has added an Amazon "Hub Locker", tagged as amenity=post_box. This causes it to flag as an anomaly when comparing against Royal Mail data. My view is this is not a "post box" since it forms part of delivery rather than collection arrangements. However I can see there may be some benefit in mapping such facilities, albeit anyone wanting to use it will need to make advance arrangements with Amazon and chose from a list of locations. This is a different situation to Royal Mail where there is no official "post box finder" and one is at liberty to use any convenient box at any time. Searching the OSM Wiki doesn't seem to provide any specific guidance but hints that Amazon might be persuaded to contribute the locations directly, since they are apparently both consumers and contributors to OSM. Arguably parcel drop-off points for Hermes and so forth might be suitable for inclusion, though they're not a stand-alone feature but part of facilities at a premises and again require advance action by the user to select . Is there existing policy/guidance/consensus and if not, what is the best way to proceed? Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
