Re: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol
On 15/02/2020 12:08, Borbus wrote: I've long suspected that local councils and other government bodies are giving data directly to Google. They're given to everyone. Look at the planning applications. They often have street names in the documents. Many OSMers are sensible enough not to add 'proposed' data, as developments are often severely amended or cancelled. It's much better to wait until there's ground evidence. Much rather be accurate than first. DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol
On 15/02/2020 12:08, Borbus wrote: I've long suspected that local councils and other government bodies are giving data directly to Google. I've seen developments turn up on Google maps that couldn't possibly have been established with a survey. It's all really shady. There's no reason why they shouldn't. Street names are not a secret. The same information would be available to anyone who asks. In some cases, it isn't even necessary to ask, as it's published on the council website. But at least we can say, even in this case, that OSM is the more accurate reflection of reality. No, it isn't. The development has been built and the roads are actually there, as can be seen from the photos in the media reports. Someone needs to get down there and do a trace! Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol
That’s usually the way I find out the name of a new road if the sales office is closed. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Neil Matthews [mailto:ndmatth...@ndmatthews.plus.com] Sent: 16 February 2020 10:58 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol Local coverage: https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/there-is-a-new-road-in-speedwell-called-cheers-drive/ Looks like housenumbers have the road name, even if roadsigns aren't installed. Cheers, Neil ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol
Local coverage: https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/there-is-a-new-road-in-speedwell-called-cheers-drive/ Looks like housenumbers have the road name, even if roadsigns aren't installed. Cheers, Neil ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol
I wondered if it might have come from OS OpenData so I downloaded the latest OS Open Names, but no it isn't there yet. Unless it's come from OS MasterMap (anyone on here have access to check?), it does appear the council are collaborating with the goog. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol
I once watched a conference presentation on the in-house software Google
use to update their map data (forget where I came across this). While they
didn't reveal full information on it, a large part of their workflow is
semi-automated and mostly comes down to humans reviewing and intervening in
areas flagged as problematic or requiring updates.
If I remember correctly, their sources for this information were either
user feedback ("report a map issue"); data provided directly by 3rd
parties; or data indirectly sourced from news reports and similar
(presumably using pretty sophisticated machine learning systems).
Wouldn't surprise me if this was either provided directly to Google by the
local council or flagged up by a semi-automated system.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol
I've long suspected that local councils and other government bodies are giving data directly to Google. I've seen developments turn up on Google maps that couldn't possibly have been established with a survey. It's all really shady. But at least we can say, even in this case, that OSM is the more accurate reflection of reality. On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:47 AM Jez Nicholson wrote: > Just been reading about the naming of a new road in Bristol "Cheers Drive" > which is apparently a local way to thank a bus/taxi driver > https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-51501412 > > Thing that caught my eye was the reference to Google Maps having it on > already which made me wonder how, because the road signs haven't been > installed yet? Are they importing road change notices from the Council? > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/51.46730/-2.54036 > > > https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Cheers+Dr,+Speedwell,+Bristol+BS5+7FQ/@51.4669956,-2.5405969,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x48718fc9fa803fa1:0x28c4a3d7786bfeab > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol
Just been reading about the naming of a new road in Bristol "Cheers Drive" which is apparently a local way to thank a bus/taxi driver https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-51501412 Thing that caught my eye was the reference to Google Maps having it on already which made me wonder how, because the road signs haven't been installed yet? Are they importing road change notices from the Council? https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/51.46730/-2.54036 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Cheers+Dr,+Speedwell,+Bristol+BS5+7FQ/@51.4669956,-2.5405969,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x48718fc9fa803fa1:0x28c4a3d7786bfeab ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
