Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - proposed conflation process

2019-10-13 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
As for the proposal, I agree that a slow and steady approach is required. Although I do think we should set a target date. A date by which we are happy to start the conflation or have agreed that it is not viable. Would be a shame to see it just drag out. Happy to help as much as I can to

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - proposed conflation process

2019-10-13 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
On Sun, 13 Oct 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: (1) I would suggest also generating  big OSM file with this data (without conflation, just what would be imported into unmapped area) and running JOSM validator on it. It may find bugs in data, proposed conversion and in JOSM itself. That's

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - proposed conflation process

2019-10-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
(1) I would suggest also generating  big OSM file with this data (without conflation, just what would be imported into unmapped area) and running JOSM validator on it. It may find bugs in data, proposed conversion and in JOSM itself. (2) I would advise also consulting OSM community

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - proposed conflation process

2019-10-13 Thread Rob Nickerson
Martin wrote: > e.g. JOSM Conflation, Hootenanny, OpenStreetMap Live Conflation OK, a few I am aware of, one i'm not. Suspect others won't know them all either. For those interested: JOSM Conflation: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Conflation Hootenanny:

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - proposed conflation process

2019-10-13 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
I've been looking at the various tools available, e.g. JOSM Conflation, Hootenanny, OpenStreetMap Live Conflation, etc. Whatever tool is best, a process is needed. May I seek comments on this proposal which would be put to TfL in my report to them: A proposed process for

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-10-13 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
Just to say that I've turned all the comments (here and on Twitter) into issues and replies at: https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues I'll merge the changes into the conversion webpage shortly. Martin, ** CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-10-02 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Bike riders may like to read about  the latest mess concerning cycle lanes: https://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/underhand-law-change-undermines-mandatory-cycle-lanes?fbclid=IwAR1oqOMvD9XjMFrLwKAr65Jw-8ifm0qXSNshRe7yhbKiZ2h7-sVlxsXLbyU DaveF On 22/09/2019 15:45, Mike Baggaley wrote: I would prefer

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-10-02 Thread Phillip Barnett
Apart from on motorways! Sent from my iPhone > On 2 Oct 2019, at 09:37, Andy Allan wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 05:22, Wulf4096 wrote: >> >> Hello, >> in Germany we've got "Radfahrstreifen" (solid line) which are >> additionally marked by bicycle signs. Only cyclists may use those, and

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-10-02 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 05:22, Wulf4096 wrote: > Hello, > in Germany we've got "Radfahrstreifen" (solid line) which are > additionally marked by bicycle signs. Only cyclists may use those, and > the sign forbids cyclists to use the main carriageway, unless they've > got a reason to. > > And we've

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-29 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
On Fri, 20 Sep 2019, Martin - CycleStreets wrote: What are people's thoughts about these suggested new tags? Thanks so much everyone for all the great comments. I'll be replying on these as soon as I get a chance later this week and merging the changes in, after a busy week following

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-22 Thread Mike Baggaley
I would prefer not to see cycleway:lane=mandatory as this suggests that cyclists have to use the lane when set. In the UK, the significance of the solid white line separating a cycle lane and main carriageway is that motor vehicles are not allowed to use the cycle lane, but cyclists can use

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-21 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Martin, all, I have finished reviewing the proposal for all sections except from signage (will let someone else review them). I've opened issues and pull requests on the GitHub for the other things I spotted but have not reported here. https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-21 Thread Rob Nickerson
>I'm not sure how representative the associated picture is. Wonder no more: the cyclestreets website lets you filter for the TfL category and look at all the photos not just the one that was selected as representative. See:

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-21 Thread Rob Nickerson
I have had a quick look at the cycle parking too. A few comments: - You suggest "bicycle_parking=stands" for 3 cases of the TfL data: Stands, "M stands" and "P stands". I shall let others comment on whether we want to introduce new OSM tags for these. Perhaps cyclists have an interest

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-21 Thread Robert Norris
> • Two-tier cycle parking: This is unfortunately becoming more and more > present in the UK, but bizarrely OSM does not have a representation in > widespread use currently, with only 6 instances worldwide of > bicycle_parking=two_tier. It is proposed this be used, which will hopefully > then

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-20 Thread jc129--- via Talk-GB
Hi Martin, A few comments from a non-cyclist: • Cycle parking on/off carriageway: Suggest location=carriageway could be invented instead? • Two-tier cycle parking: There's also bicycle_parking=double_decker/double_deck/double_deck_stands in use combined total of 6 instances. I don't have a

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-20 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Martin, I've started to look at this but only got as far as Advanced Stop Lines (ASL) and Crossings. I've raised issues on the GitHub: https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues So far of the new tags I have only reviewed ASL position (left/right/center). I'm not a fan of the

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-20 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid/conversion/ I'll shortly e-mail again with more detailed commentary on various aspects of what is shown, in particular cases where new tags are suggested. As shown on that webpage, most of the data in the CID can be represented by OSM tags through

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-09-14 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
I will shortly be circulating a proposed mapping of CID -> OSM attributes, reflecting the published schema of the finalised version of the dataset, for comment. A proposed mapping of the data is here: https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid/conversion/ I would very much welcome comments

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published

2019-08-09 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, Martin - CycleStreets wrote: I've sent a follow-up e-mail to the OSMF Licensing Working Group, which compiles all the various statements from Transport for London, and includes various e-mails where these statements were originally made, so that the LWG will hopefully be

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published

2019-08-02 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
I've sent a follow-up e-mail to the OSMF Licensing Working Group, which compiles all the various statements from Transport for London, and includes various e-mails where these statements were originally made, so that the LWG will hopefully be able to give a clear judgement now. In

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published

2019-08-01 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Rob Nickerson wrote: The email below is from TfL announcing the release of the cycle data. I'm copying in Martin to this email as he was working on this Talent Directory project so can hopefully provide a comment on the licence. Thanks - Rob. Will be e-mailing tomorrow

[Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published

2019-08-01 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi all, The email below is from TfL announcing the release of the cycle data. I'm copying in Martin to this email as he was working on this Talent Directory project so can hopefully provide a comment on the licence. Taking a look myself it is an OGL v2 licence which is good. TfL muddy the water