[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Recommendations for cheap GPS for data-logging

2011-01-21 Thread Chris Dunne
Hi, Its my first time posting and I'm new to this list (I'm in the Leicester area). I have some contacts who walk a lot of footpaths and was wondering if it would be worthwhile to give them a cheap GPS data-logger to record some of these. I came across this unit from Hong Kong for $26.10

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis name tags

2011-01-21 Thread Bob Kerr
Hi, I would like to support the idea of name:gd=* for Gaelic names.  In Portree there are definitely two names in OS Locator for several roads an example is  highway: residentialname: Mill Parkname:gd: Pairc na Muilnesource: OS_OpenData_StreetView at

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
Hello Chris, I was wondering why you don't see any value in just adding the postcode centroids to the map? There are probably 25000+ buildings in my area so it isn't feasible for me to add them all and their addresses in less than a lifetime whereas adding the postcode centroids would surely

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Tom Hughes
On 21/01/11 09:51, Kevin Peat wrote: I was wondering why you don't see any value in just adding the postcode centroids to the map? There are probably 25000+ buildings in my area so it isn't feasible for me to add them all and their addresses in less than a lifetime whereas adding the

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
So I should delete the various admin boundaries in the db then as they cannot be viewed on the ground? That's great for Nominatim but what if I want to find a postcode on my Garmin? Kevin On 21 January 2011 09:58, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Because postcode centroids are not real -

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Ed Loach
I can’t speak for Chris, but I don’t see any point in just adding the centroids to the map as any satnav application already has access to that data and can even keep it updated easier by keeping it separate and just replacing the Opendata source file each time a new version is released. I’m

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/01/2011 10:02, Kevin Peat wrote: So I should delete the various admin boundaries in the db then as they cannot be viewed on the ground? Well said. I absolutely agree admin boundaries have the same kind of status as postcodes. I think there is value in visualising postcodes, and while

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Tom Hughes
On 21/01/11 10:02, Kevin Peat wrote: So I should delete the various admin boundaries in the db then as they cannot be viewed on the ground? They may not be viewable on the ground, but they are real in the sense that somebody has defined them by reference to features on the ground. Postcode

Re: [Talk-GB] Quiet lanes and one car per minute

2011-01-21 Thread ael
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 01:58:43PM +, Craig Loftus wrote: I like the idea. And although I like the simplicity, I think it might be worth somehow taking account for seasonable variability. There a number of Agreed. In Cornwall, for example, roads that are very quiet for most of the year

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/01/2011 10:10, Tom Hughes wrote: On 21/01/11 10:02, Kevin Peat wrote: So I should delete the various admin boundaries in the db then as they cannot be viewed on the ground? They may not be viewable on the ground, but they are real in the sense that somebody has defined them by

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Ed, With the advent of Bing tracing and OS Opendata I wouldn't be surprised if we had all the roads in Britain complete this year even in the areas where there are never going to be many mappers on-the-ground. But house numbers cannot be added remotely so it might take another 10 years for all

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis name tags

2011-01-21 Thread Peter Miller
Thanks for these examples. We are on the case and will let you know when we are running with the new code and monitors will the other name fields mentioned above. Do be aware btw, that it takes a day or two until the changes make their way into the analysis. I hope we will be able to make it all

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
A couple of points: * Admin. boundaries are not straightforward to verify, but there is plenty of suitable objective evidence : from Boundary Markers (e.g., http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/502944003), names on rubbish bins, or the bin lorries, asset identification numbers on

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis name tags

2011-01-21 Thread Tom Chance
Peter, Thanks for the update all the hard work. I'm not too bothered about the speed of updates, just having a prompt to resurvey areas and a nice dashboard to show local organisations is very helpful. Tom On 21 January 2011 10:33, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Thanks for

Re: [Talk-GB] Quiet lanes and quot;one car per minutequot;

2011-01-21 Thread Ed Avis
Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes: Find a country lane. If you're standing there at a typical time of day, and there's less than one car per minute, that's a quiet lane. Tag it traffic=quiet, or if you'd like to be precise, traffic:hourly=60 (or whatever). You could also use aerial

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Ed Avis
Chris Hill osm@... writes: The Open data that OS released last year included the Code Point Open dataset which has the location of postcode centroids. These can help with adding postcodes to addresses. Please do not just add the centroid to the map. I don't see the value of that. I think

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Chris Hill
On 20/01/11 23:09, Richard Bullock wrote: Please do not just add the centroid to the map. I don't see the value of that. I am interested in the experience people gain from using this data, for example to add postcodes to an address such as addr:postcode. I've added a few addr:postcode to my

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis name tags

2011-01-21 Thread Ed Avis
If you look at old_name you should also check former_name. In fact, why not look at every tag ending in '_name' or containing '_name:', and if not in a list of known name tags print out a warning. You could then decide to use or ignore each one. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Ed Avis [mailto:e...@waniasset.com] wrote Sent: 21 January 2011 11:28 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Chris Hill osm@... writes: The Open data that OS released last year included the Code Point Open dataset which has the location of postcode centroids.

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis name tags

2011-01-21 Thread Ed Avis
Thanks for all your work on the name comparison, it has been a huge help towards getting London complete. (which is still another couple of years' work I think) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Lester Caine
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: One thing that is absolutely clear to me is that you can't add postcodes unless you have been around and assigned the right houses to the right streets. On older traditional streets where this is clear from imagery it's not so difficult but in new housing

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Chris Hill
On 21/01/11 09:51, Kevin Peat wrote: Hello Chris, I was wondering why you don't see any value in just adding the postcode centroids to the map? There are probably 25000+ buildings in my area so it isn't feasible for me to add them all and their addresses in less than a lifetime whereas

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Ed Avis
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists ajrlists@... writes: The Open data that OS released last year included the Code Point Open dataset which has the location of postcode centroids. I think the big question is whether adding them would help Nominatim resolve postcode searches. It seems to have some

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]wrote: Sent: 21 January 2011 11:41 AM To: 'talk-gb OSM List' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: One thing that is absolutely clear to me is that you can't add postcodes unless you have been around and

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
Chris, I'll go with the flow on this, there isn't much point adding stuff to the db where there isn't a consensus. My postcode area is TQ so if you could add this to the layer that would be great, it would be useful for tagging buildings anyway. Kevin On 21 January 2011 11:46, Chris Hill

[Talk-GB] Boat permissions (c.f. waterways map)

2011-01-21 Thread Tom Chance
Can our resident waterways experts comment on the most appropriate tagging for navigable rivers in the UK? For example, I see you’re allowed to use a boat on the Thames along navigable parts with a license… does that mean it should be “boat=yes” or “boat=permissive”?

Re: [Talk-GB] Boat permissions (c.f. waterways map)

2011-01-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Tom, On 01/21/11 13:23, Tom Chance wrote: Should I gaily assume [...] or should I leave it to somebody [...] with a sound knowledge Deferring to people with a sound knowledge of the subject mapper has absolutely no tradition in OSM ;) Bye Frederik

Re: [Talk-GB] Boat permissions (c.f. waterways map)

2011-01-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/21/11 13:26, Frederik Ramm wrote: Deferring to people with a sound knowledge of the subject mapper has absolutely no tradition in OSM ;) Subject matter, even. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Chris Hill
On 21/01/11 12:18, Kevin Peat wrote: Chris, I'll go with the flow on this, there isn't much point adding stuff to the db where there isn't a consensus. My postcode area is TQ so if you could add this to the layer that would be great, it would be useful for tagging buildings anyway. Kevin

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative Borders

2011-01-21 Thread Andrew
Chris Hill osm@... writes: physical features such as streams and rivers that form part of the boundaries need to be integrated. What do you mean by that? -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative Borders

2011-01-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/21/11 13:36, Andrew wrote: as streams and rivers that form part of the boundaries need to be integrated. What do you mean by that? If the centreline of the river (or a road, or a coastline) *is* the boundary, then you do *not* want a separate way in the OSM database describing

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Lester Caine
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]wrote: Sent: 21 January 2011 11:41 AM To: 'talk-gb OSM List' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: One thing that is absolutely clear to me is that you can't add

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Lester Caine
Ed Avis wrote: Andy Robinson (blackadder-listsajrlists@... writes: The Open data that OS released last year included the Code Point Open dataset which has the location of postcode centroids. I think the big question is whether adding them would help Nominatim resolve postcode searches. It

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Lester, On 01/21/11 13:50, Lester Caine wrote: Why not? Look up a postcode, and find a link to the business you are working with, then confirm that postcode and address are correct. It's amazing how many businesses are actually using the wrong post code! You're allowed to check the street

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Matt Williams
On 21 January 2011 13:50, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that storage is cheap, but there seems little point having the full address attached as tags to every house. Just as other information that is available at 'higher level' does not need to be duplicated every time. If one

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative Borders

2011-01-21 Thread Lester Caine
Frederik Ramm wrote: On 01/21/11 13:36, Andrew wrote: as streams and rivers that form part of the boundaries need to be integrated. What do you mean by that? If the centreline of the river (or a road, or a coastline) *is* the boundary, then you do *not* want a separate way in the OSM

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative Borders

2011-01-21 Thread Andrew
Frederik Ramm frederik@... writes: If the centreline of the river (or a road, or a coastline) *is* the boundary, then you do *not* want a separate way in the OSM database describing the boundary; you want a multipolygon describing the boundary where one part of the multipolygon hull is the

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] wrote: Sent: 21 January 2011 12:51 PM To: 'talk-gb OSM List' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]wrote: Sent: 21 January 2011 11:41 AM To: 'talk-gb OSM List' Subject:

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Bob Kerr
Hi, A derived post-code based on Latitude and Longitude would work much better internationally and would give us something to hang other statistics on. the OSM short code could fit the bill. Cheers Bob ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Boat permissions (c.f. waterways map)

2011-01-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Chance wrote: Can our resident waterways experts comment on the most appropriate tagging for navigable rivers in the UK? For example, I see you’re allowed to use a boat on the Thames along navigable parts with a license… does that mean it should be “boat=yes” or “boat=permissive”?

Re: [Talk-GB] Boat permissions (c.f. waterways map)

2011-01-21 Thread Tom Chance
On 21 January 2011 14:15, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Tom Chance wrote: Can our resident waterways experts comment on the most appropriate tagging for navigable rivers in the UK? For example, I see you’re allowed to use a boat on the Thames along navigable parts with a

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids - use in searching

2011-01-21 Thread Ed Avis
Lester Caine lester@... writes: Many search engines, even map based ones, have used 'EX13 7##' based data until quite recently. In the absence of anything better it was all that was available. NOW we do at least have the finer detail coordinate data from OS even if it does not give real road

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids - use in searching

2011-01-21 Thread Lester Caine
Ed Avis wrote: Lester Cainelester@... writes: Many search engines, even map based ones, have used 'EX13 7##' based data until quite recently. In the absence of anything better it was all that was available. NOW we do at least have the finer detail coordinate data from OS even if it does not

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Richard Bullock
What I've done in the past is created a .osm file with my particular post-code of interest - and then added the file as a new layer in JOSM - so I can overlay it. I would certainly be interested to use this new site - when my postcode areas of interest have been loaded. All very useful