Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
> On 7 Aug 2018, at 10:53, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Philip Barnes wrote: >> Recently new blue branded co-op shops have started to appear, >> some have changed and at least one has opened in direct >> competition with an existing Mid-counties. > > Midcounties are also adopting the "new" cloverleaf Co-op logo in many > places, while their Chipping Norton shop, curiously, uses the Co-operatives > UK logo. There's so much overlap (particularly between Midcounties and the > Co-operative Group) that they really need to be surveyed to find the > operator, which I agree would be useful information. > > Shipston-on-Stour has two Co-ops literally three doors away from each other > - one Midcounties, one Co-operative Group (ex-Somerfield). > There’s also a big overlap in places like Edinburgh due to Co-op buying the Somerfield stores several years ago. This means that some newer stores accept the loyalty cards, whilst the older ones don’t. Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
It should be noted that many pharmacies appear in FHRS data, often with "Exempt" status. Jerry On 6 August 2018 at 23:08, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) < robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 6 August 2018 at 09:39, Philip Withnall wrote: > > Thanks for the updates! A quick question about pharmacy matching: are > > we supposed to add the GPhC registration number of the pharmacy to its > > node/way in OSM, similarly to how we do FHRS IDs? There seems to be no > > guidance for/against this on your page for pharmacies. > > There's no licence to be able to use the GPhC register as used in > https://osm.mathmos.net/pharmacy/ directly in OSM. IIRC, I asked about > it a while ago and the response from GPhC was that individual > pharmacies owned the address data they submitted, so they weren't in a > position to licence it themselves. You might take the view that the > numbers themselves aren't copyrightable, though there would still be > database rights in the list as a whole, and there would be the > question of how you match them to OSM objects without using the other > address data. I thought this was a bit of a grey area, so I haven't > been suggesting people add the numbers, and the tool doesn't make use > of them for the matching. The tool does use postcodes for matching, as > these may be obtainable from other sources. I've found a lot have FHRS > registrations for example -- see > https://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/ . > > Robert. > > -- > Robert Whittaker > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
On 7 August 2018 10:53:10 BST, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >Midcounties are also adopting the "new" cloverleaf Co-op logo in many >places I have spotted this logo on the Mid-counties co-op on the Welshpool road, from memory it is green. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
Philip Barnes wrote: > Recently new blue branded co-op shops have started to appear, > some have changed and at least one has opened in direct > competition with an existing Mid-counties. Midcounties are also adopting the "new" cloverleaf Co-op logo in many places, while their Chipping Norton shop, curiously, uses the Co-operatives UK logo. There's so much overlap (particularly between Midcounties and the Co-operative Group) that they really need to be surveyed to find the operator, which I agree would be useful information. Shipston-on-Stour has two Co-ops literally three doors away from each other - one Midcounties, one Co-operative Group (ex-Somerfield). Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Great-Britain-f5372682.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
I have recently been thinking we should be tagging co-op shops with the operator tag. Until recently I had seen it as a geographical thing, ie. It is in Shropshire so it must be a mid-counties. Mid-counties use the same green branding that Central England use in Leicestershire. Recently new blue branded co-op shops have started to appear, some have changed and at least one has opened in direct competition with an existing Mid-counties. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > Perhaps an operator=* tag would help, if we knew which > Co-Op groups still had pharmacies... A quick flick through their various websites suggests only: Midcounties: https://www.midcounties.coop/stores/ Lincolnshire: https://www.lincolnshire.coop/storefinder Channel Islands: https://www.channelislands.coop/je/opening-hours/ East of England are selling theirs: https://www.thenews.coop/128610/topic/business/east-england-co-op-sell-off-pharmacy-opticians-businesses/ Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Great-Britain-f5372682.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
> On 6 Aug 2018, at 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > (It looks like the East of England Co-op also operates a few pharmacies. I > haven't investigated further.) > To confirm East of England Co-op do have their own brand pharmacies. https://www.eastofengland.coop/pharmacy Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
On 6 August 2018 at 09:39, Philip Withnall wrote: > Thanks for the updates! A quick question about pharmacy matching: are > we supposed to add the GPhC registration number of the pharmacy to its > node/way in OSM, similarly to how we do FHRS IDs? There seems to be no > guidance for/against this on your page for pharmacies. There's no licence to be able to use the GPhC register as used in https://osm.mathmos.net/pharmacy/ directly in OSM. IIRC, I asked about it a while ago and the response from GPhC was that individual pharmacies owned the address data they submitted, so they weren't in a position to licence it themselves. You might take the view that the numbers themselves aren't copyrightable, though there would still be database rights in the list as a whole, and there would be the question of how you match them to OSM objects without using the other address data. I thought this was a bit of a grey area, so I haven't been suggesting people add the numbers, and the tool doesn't make use of them for the matching. The tool does use postcodes for matching, as these may be obtainable from other sources. I've found a lot have FHRS registrations for example -- see https://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/ . Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
On 6 August 2018 at 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: >> First there's a new set of objects in my "Ghosts" tool at >> https://osm.mathmos.net/ghosts/. There are 162 still-mapped >> "Co-Op Pharmacy" branches, which should have been rebranded >> to become "Well Pharmacy" branches now. > > Not necessarily! > > As you say, "The Co-operative Group sold their pharmacy business to the > Bestway Group in October 2014". > > However, as you no doubt know, the perpetually crisis-stricken (Manchester) > Co-operative Group is one of several retail co-ops in the UK to use the > Co-operative name. Other co-ops continue to operate stores branded > Co-operative Pharmacy. I live almost opposite one such, operated by the > Midcounties Co-operative, and can testify it's still called that! > > See https://www.cooppharmacy.coop/ . > > (It looks like the East of England Co-op also operates a few pharmacies. I > haven't investigated further.) I was aware of the different regional co-op organisations, but hadn't realised some of them had their own pharmacy branches too, so thanks for pointing that out. I wonder if there is some way of distinguishing them in the tagging so that tools can ignore the ones that haven't been sold. Perhaps an operator=* tag would help, if we knew which Co-Op groups still had pharmacies... Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > First there's a new set of objects in my "Ghosts" tool at > https://osm.mathmos.net/ghosts/. There are 162 still-mapped > "Co-Op Pharmacy" branches, which should have been rebranded > to become "Well Pharmacy" branches now. Not necessarily! As you say, "The Co-operative Group sold their pharmacy business to the Bestway Group in October 2014". However, as you no doubt know, the perpetually crisis-stricken (Manchester) Co-operative Group is one of several retail co-ops in the UK to use the Co-operative name. Other co-ops continue to operate stores branded Co-operative Pharmacy. I live almost opposite one such, operated by the Midcounties Co-operative, and can testify it's still called that! See https://www.cooppharmacy.coop/ . (It looks like the East of England Co-op also operates a few pharmacies. I haven't investigated further.) cheers Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Great-Britain-f5372682.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 08:01 +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > A couple of updates to my tools that you might be interested in: > > First there's a new set of objects in my "Ghosts" tool at > https://osm.mathmos.net/ghosts/. There are 162 still-mapped "Co-Op > Pharmacy" branches, which should have been rebranded to become "Well > Pharmacy" branches now. Thanks to Tallguy for the suggestion here. > > Secondly, I'm now using HTTPS on my server, so I can enable the > previously requested auto-location feature on the "Survey Me!" tool > at > https://osm.mathmos.net/survey/ . Click/tap one if the links just > below the map, agree to share your location with the site, and the > map > should zoom to your current position. > > I hope these features are useful, Thanks for the updates! A quick question about pharmacy matching: are we supposed to add the GPhC registration number of the pharmacy to its node/way in OSM, similarly to how we do FHRS IDs? There seems to be no guidance for/against this on your page for pharmacies. Thanks, Philip signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
