Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 99, Issue 7

[Simon Poole]

Am 14.08.2017 um 17:48 schrieb Ciarán Staunton:

> ...
>
> I think Martín's comment is a good concern to have. However, I believe that
> OSMF wants local chapters formally set up, composed of responsible groups
> in each country to make accountable decisions about how the maps of each
> country evolve, 

I don't believe the OSMF has ever said, or even remotely indicated,
anything along such lines (and any implementation of such a policy is
likely to run in to strong resistance by contributors all over OSM), a
better way to is to think of local chapters as service and support
organisations for the national mapping community which fits in nicely
with the rest of your points which are completely OK.

While I'm commenting on this thread: I suspect that any hopes of
directly increasing contributor numbers by having a formal org are going
to be disappointed (similar ideas have been aired by the UK chapter). It
would be nice if I was proved wrong, but I don't believe that active
recruitment really works (fsov of works).

Simon

PS: the mailing list is still refusing to accept signed mails.




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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 99, Issue 7

[Ciarán Staunton]

Greetings

To answer Dave's last question first, *I'm in to help in whatever way
possible*. I can attend any of the dates suggested, and  I can arrange an
appropriate venue for them to take place if that is needed. I've been
around the process of setting up companies etc. and served as a company
secretary before (though I can't ultimately be that for OSM).

I think Martín's comment is a good concern to have. However, I believe that
OSMF wants local chapters formally set up, composed of responsible groups
in each country to make accountable decisions about how the maps of each
country evolve, and to have oversight of licencing, manage upload efforts,
interpret increasing sources of open data and organizing truly OPEN (yes I
just shouted) meetings that are well publicised, and held in appropriate
venues to allow lots of different map stakeholders attend. I think that you
have hit the nail on the head in terms of the sequencing. A healthier
sequence of informal meetings drawing in people who are interested is a
good way to *lead in*, but the other thing is inevitable. Not everyone has
to go forward for participating on the structure, but anyone who does would
be accountable to everyone else.

Back to what Dave said. My forty two cents on the issues set out at the top
are:
- Groups like this need monthly or bi-monthly networking, bi-annual speaker
sessions and an AGM and anything else is based on energy. Mostly I think
the informality doesn't assist the activities members have away from the
table. I find myself teaching OSM to schools, without only two or three
members interested in that experience. Brian gave a super talk to the
Geneology Society about boundaries which he hasn't had a chance to do for
us, Dave has headed off to talk to the OGP, Dermot is doing propeller stuff
... literally.. you get the picture. These talks should be between
ourselves initially, with a feeling for what is then used to engage others.
Each SOTM conference concludes that face to face engagement is key for
success, that then goes outwards and invites new people in... each national
group does it... Ireland has no good reason to stand outside that.

- The new mapper engagement needs a schools/colleges exposure and some sort
of recruitment plan, with a sense of how particular skills and experiences
are constantly required to boost the community. Obviously we need to be
present in the sector with more regular participation at IRLOGI and that
sort of forum. There are also professional bodies for Engineers, Planners,
and Geographers who would fling their doors open if we could supply this
sort of engagement. There are also NGOs who would love to have a group to
liaise with, and Point here is that we need to increase the engagement in
these sectors, and we cant do that with the present structure in my
opinion. These are the things that increase the numbers of contributors and
ultimately the usefulness of the map.

- Getting out of Dublin is necessary if there's demand outside Dublin. I
think Maynooth is a good venue as a compromise for the west (don't laugh
its pragmatic). I think you cant get a compromise for the likes of Cork
other than to decamp down to Cork but only if there's demand. I don't think
its unreasonable to use something easy like Meetups or Eventbrite to
confirm attendance and ensure those who end up travelling are travelling
with good cause, and its easy for people to cancel right up until the last
second. That hasn't always been the case.

I don't mean to sound negative here, nor pat anyone on the back.
Considering the great work done over the years before I got involved
there's plenty worthwhile to talk about and co-ordinate our efforts on, and
that is befitting a proper level of organisation to support the goals
raised. None of the things Dave mentioned are difficult to do, they just
take a little time and consideration.

Looking forward to other views.
















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