Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Voltage warning
As luck would have the same warning appeared in this tile. https://tasks.openstreetmap.ie/project/64?task=70 On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 12:47, Tadeusz Cantwell wrote: > I don't know where it was as it was through building Ireland and they've > been changing with the mapping month. If I come across another one I'll > make a note of the place. > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 00:27, Donal Hunt wrote: > >> Thanks for the insight Colm. >> >> The only comment I'll make is that "low voltage" in electrical circles in >> < >> 1000V. High voltage is anything above 1000V. Trying to align with that may >> be worthwhile (probably too late). >> >> On thing we can agree on is that there is a lot left to map! >> >> Donal >> >> On Mon 2 Nov 2020, 23:14 Colm Moore, wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > It is difficult to determine the exact voltage on each piece of the >> > electricity network without going to inspect each individual device on >> site >> > (potentially difficult, unsafe, potentially illegal), although there are >> > some visual clues in the overhead photos (size of substation, power >> route, >> > size & type of pole, etc.). There are hundreds of thousands of >> transformers >> > and twice as much power line as there is public roads. >> > >> > voltage=low, voltage:primary=low, voltage:secondary=low, etc. are >> > placeholder values I created to help identify the voltages used on the >> > power network. >> > >> > 1. voltage=* can apply to any part of any electrical device. >> > 2. voltage:primary=* primarily applies to transformers and >> substations >> > and is the voltage for the side the power is coming from. >> > 3. voltage:secondary=* primarily applies to transformers and >> > substations and is the voltage for the side the power is going to. >> > 4. There are also voltage:tertiary=* and voltage:quaternary=* for >> > locations with multiple voltages. >> > >> > These are the values I have been using: >> > >> > 1. High = I presume the voltage to be 110,000 volts or higher but >> can't >> > say which. >> > 2. Medium = I presume the voltage to be 38,000 volts but can't say >> for >> > definite. >> > 3. Low = I presume the voltage to be 20,000 volts or lower but can't >> > say which. >> > >> > The network operators and voltages used across Ireland are below. >> > >> > Could I ask where the error is showing? The usual debugging sites >> normally >> > associate errors with the most recent contributor - usually me. >> > >> > Colm >> > >> > - >> > >> > EirGrid (Republic of Ireland and Ireland-Britain) >> > 40 - high >> > 22 - high >> > 11 - high >> > >> > ESB Networks (Republic of Ireland) >> > 38000 - medium >> > 2 - low >> > 1 - low >> > 400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low >> > 230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low >> > >> > NIE Networks (Northern Ireland) >> > 40 - high >> > 275000 - high >> > 11 - high >> > 33000 - medium >> > 19000 - low >> > 11000 - low >> > 6600 - low >> > 400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low >> > 230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low >> > >> > Mutual Energy (Northern Ireland-Britain) >> > 25 >> > >> > Irish Rail >> > 1500 >> > >> > Luas >> > 750 >> > >> > Other Operators >> > 60 >> > 33000 >> > 2 >> > 19000 >> > 1 >> > Various >> > >> > >> > >> --- >> > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret >> Mead >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Talk-ie mailing list >> > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> > >> > >> ___ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Voltage warning
I don't know where it was as it was through building Ireland and they've been changing with the mapping month. If I come across another one I'll make a note of the place. On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 00:27, Donal Hunt wrote: > Thanks for the insight Colm. > > The only comment I'll make is that "low voltage" in electrical circles in < > 1000V. High voltage is anything above 1000V. Trying to align with that may > be worthwhile (probably too late). > > On thing we can agree on is that there is a lot left to map! > > Donal > > On Mon 2 Nov 2020, 23:14 Colm Moore, wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > It is difficult to determine the exact voltage on each piece of the > > electricity network without going to inspect each individual device on > site > > (potentially difficult, unsafe, potentially illegal), although there are > > some visual clues in the overhead photos (size of substation, power > route, > > size & type of pole, etc.). There are hundreds of thousands of > transformers > > and twice as much power line as there is public roads. > > > > voltage=low, voltage:primary=low, voltage:secondary=low, etc. are > > placeholder values I created to help identify the voltages used on the > > power network. > > > > 1. voltage=* can apply to any part of any electrical device. > > 2. voltage:primary=* primarily applies to transformers and substations > > and is the voltage for the side the power is coming from. > > 3. voltage:secondary=* primarily applies to transformers and > > substations and is the voltage for the side the power is going to. > > 4. There are also voltage:tertiary=* and voltage:quaternary=* for > > locations with multiple voltages. > > > > These are the values I have been using: > > > > 1. High = I presume the voltage to be 110,000 volts or higher but > can't > > say which. > > 2. Medium = I presume the voltage to be 38,000 volts but can't say for > > definite. > > 3. Low = I presume the voltage to be 20,000 volts or lower but can't > > say which. > > > > The network operators and voltages used across Ireland are below. > > > > Could I ask where the error is showing? The usual debugging sites > normally > > associate errors with the most recent contributor - usually me. > > > > Colm > > > > - > > > > EirGrid (Republic of Ireland and Ireland-Britain) > > 40 - high > > 22 - high > > 11 - high > > > > ESB Networks (Republic of Ireland) > > 38000 - medium > > 2 - low > > 1 - low > > 400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low > > 230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low > > > > NIE Networks (Northern Ireland) > > 40 - high > > 275000 - high > > 11 - high > > 33000 - medium > > 19000 - low > > 11000 - low > > 6600 - low > > 400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low > > 230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low > > > > Mutual Energy (Northern Ireland-Britain) > > 25 > > > > Irish Rail > > 1500 > > > > Luas > > 750 > > > > Other Operators > > 60 > > 33000 > > 2 > > 19000 > > 1 > > Various > > > > > > > --- > > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret > Mead > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Voltage warning
Thanks for the insight Colm. The only comment I'll make is that "low voltage" in electrical circles in < 1000V. High voltage is anything above 1000V. Trying to align with that may be worthwhile (probably too late). On thing we can agree on is that there is a lot left to map! Donal On Mon 2 Nov 2020, 23:14 Colm Moore, wrote: > Hi, > > It is difficult to determine the exact voltage on each piece of the > electricity network without going to inspect each individual device on site > (potentially difficult, unsafe, potentially illegal), although there are > some visual clues in the overhead photos (size of substation, power route, > size & type of pole, etc.). There are hundreds of thousands of transformers > and twice as much power line as there is public roads. > > voltage=low, voltage:primary=low, voltage:secondary=low, etc. are > placeholder values I created to help identify the voltages used on the > power network. > > 1. voltage=* can apply to any part of any electrical device. > 2. voltage:primary=* primarily applies to transformers and substations > and is the voltage for the side the power is coming from. > 3. voltage:secondary=* primarily applies to transformers and > substations and is the voltage for the side the power is going to. > 4. There are also voltage:tertiary=* and voltage:quaternary=* for > locations with multiple voltages. > > These are the values I have been using: > > 1. High = I presume the voltage to be 110,000 volts or higher but can't > say which. > 2. Medium = I presume the voltage to be 38,000 volts but can't say for > definite. > 3. Low = I presume the voltage to be 20,000 volts or lower but can't > say which. > > The network operators and voltages used across Ireland are below. > > Could I ask where the error is showing? The usual debugging sites normally > associate errors with the most recent contributor - usually me. > > Colm > > - > > EirGrid (Republic of Ireland and Ireland-Britain) > 40 - high > 22 - high > 11 - high > > ESB Networks (Republic of Ireland) > 38000 - medium > 2 - low > 1 - low > 400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low > 230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low > > NIE Networks (Northern Ireland) > 40 - high > 275000 - high > 11 - high > 33000 - medium > 19000 - low > 11000 - low > 6600 - low > 400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low > 230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low > > Mutual Energy (Northern Ireland-Britain) > 25 > > Irish Rail > 1500 > > Luas > 750 > > Other Operators > 60 > 33000 > 2 > 19000 > 1 > Various > > > --- > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Voltage warning
Hi, It is difficult to determine the exact voltage on each piece of the electricity network without going to inspect each individual device on site (potentially difficult, unsafe, potentially illegal), although there are some visual clues in the overhead photos (size of substation, power route, size & type of pole, etc.). There are hundreds of thousands of transformers and twice as much power line as there is public roads. voltage=low, voltage:primary=low, voltage:secondary=low, etc. are placeholder values I created to help identify the voltages used on the power network. 1. voltage=* can apply to any part of any electrical device. 2. voltage:primary=* primarily applies to transformers and substations and is the voltage for the side the power is coming from. 3. voltage:secondary=* primarily applies to transformers and substations and is the voltage for the side the power is going to. 4. There are also voltage:tertiary=* and voltage:quaternary=* for locations with multiple voltages. These are the values I have been using: 1. High = I presume the voltage to be 110,000 volts or higher but can't say which. 2. Medium = I presume the voltage to be 38,000 volts but can't say for definite. 3. Low = I presume the voltage to be 20,000 volts or lower but can't say which. The network operators and voltages used across Ireland are below. Could I ask where the error is showing? The usual debugging sites normally associate errors with the most recent contributor - usually me. Colm - EirGrid (Republic of Ireland and Ireland-Britain) 40 - high 22 - high 11 - high ESB Networks (Republic of Ireland) 38000 - medium 2 - low 1 - low 400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low 230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low NIE Networks (Northern Ireland) 40 - high 275000 - high 11 - high 33000 - medium 19000 - low 11000 - low 6600 - low 400 (often referred to as 380-415) - low 230 (often referred to as 220-240) - low Mutual Energy (Northern Ireland-Britain) 25 Irish Rail 1500 Luas 750 Other Operators 60 33000 2 19000 1 Various --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] voltage warning
The voltage. Get out your volt meter and verify what the voltage is! I don't know enough about the transformers but it looks like the ESB use 33KVA and 15KVA transformers to step down from 20KV or 10KV to 230V. Reference is https://www.esbnetworks.ie/docs/default-source/publications/assessment-of-the-scope-for-higher-penetrations-of-distributed-generation-on-the-low-volage-distribution-network.pdf From what I've seen the inbound / outbound voltages aren't specified but you may be able to deduce them. :) I have some photos if you need them. Donal On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 5:01 PM Tadeusz Cantwell wrote: > I'm getting an error for voltage=low for a transformer. Had a look at the > wiki but not sure what should to use instead. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:voltage:secondary > Any ideas? > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > -- Donal Hunt OpenStreetMap Ireland donal.h...@openstreetmap.ie | +353 87 8175123 ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] voltage warning
I'm getting an error for voltage=low for a transformer. Had a look at the wiki but not sure what should to use instead. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:voltage:secondary Any ideas? ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
