Re: [Talk-de] Garminkacheln (war: All in One mit git)

2010-03-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
2010/3/13 Torsten Leistikow de_m...@gmx.de - keine Doppelungen von Wegen an Schnittgrenzen Das koennte fuers Routing notwendig sein, ja das ist notwendig. jeder weg muss mindestens einen node ausserhalb der kachel haben. mkgmap generiert dann exakt auf der Grenze einen boundary node

Re: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-03-10 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Mar 2010, at 15:26 , Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:57:15 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Don't think this is clear. US:I is wrong, the network is only I. Any consumer application can figure out that it is in US by itself. Never mind there might be another country who

Re: [Talk-us] Time to retire ref= on ways?

2010-03-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
fully agree we should keep this target in mind. But first we have to resolve a long list of problems first. there shouldn't be any time when the renderer or other data consumers will be left with completely broken data because step2 was done before step1 osm doesn't have any way of enforcing

Re: [Talk-us] Time to retire ref= on ways?

2010-03-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Mar 2010, at 10:10 , Richard Welty wrote: On 3/8/10 12:52 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: fully agree we should keep this target in mind. But first we have to resolve a long list of problems first. there shouldn't be any time when the renderer or other data consumers will be left

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Perhaps we should be working more towards worldwide consistency. yes, please osm is an international project When objectively describing the features on

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 7 Mar 2010, at 11:59 , Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Perhaps we should be working more towards worldwide consistency. yes, please osm is an international project I agree that worldwide consistency is good, however it is a target that comes at a price

Re: [Talk-ca] vreimer again

2010-03-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Adam Dunn dunna...@gmail.com wrote: I think it should be pointed out that vreimer hasn't made any edits since the blocking, and this buggering up was done beforehand (Feb 13, 2010 to be

Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park

2010-03-05 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Mar 2010, at 24:29 , Robin Paulson wrote: On 5 March 2010 20:40, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Don't use coastline but tag the basin with natural water or any other water type tags like riverbank … hmm, well if we can ignore for a moment the abomination

Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park

2010-03-05 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Mar 2010, at 13:41 , Robin Paulson wrote: landuse? no, i didn't use that. i used leisure=park sure. ahh… our messy key,tag combinations for areas natural, landuse, leisure … and it's not a national park, only local council we still use it for parks if it's the type of parks

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-05 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Mar 2010, at 3:29 , Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: didn't know this page exists. Fully agreed this is the best way to do. It's not perfect and some deviations will make sense here and there. I suppose adding tags

Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park

2010-03-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Don't use coastline but tag the basin with natural water or any other water type tags like riverbank … coastline is also sensitive to direction while water has to be a closed polygon only, direction doesn't matter On 4 Mar 2010, at 23:17 , Robin Paulson wrote: i'm after some advice. i know

Re: [Talk-us] Motorway vs trunk

2010-03-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 4 Mar 2010, at 8:45 , Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-03-03 14:00, Paul Johnson wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 15:50 -0500, Richard Welty wrote: Well, it's going to look goofy on the map to have dotted green and blue lines. I agree. However, coincidentally, I drove part

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 4 Mar 2010, at 9:38 , McGuire, Matthew wrote: I see three dimensions of road classification at play here. 1) System 2) Function 3) Observed Character System is the easy one. That is the road system(s) that that the road belongs to especially for signage, but also for road funding

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
didn't know this page exists. Fully agreed this is the best way to do. It's not perfect and some deviations will make sense here and there. On 4 Mar 2010, at 15:37 , Kevin Samples wrote: Hi, I am a proponent of using the Highway Functional Classification System, which Alan has described

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-03 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 3 Mar 2010, at 7:45 , McGuire, Matthew wrote: The US Census Feature Class Code has descriptions of most types types of roads. This would at least tie it to an existing US standard. http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/appendxe.asc This designation exists in many OSM roads tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 28 Feb 2010, at 10:18 , John Smith wrote: On 1 March 2010 04:03, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: That doesn't help in this case: for example a US highway crosses multiple states, but is always assigned the same shield.And there is nothing in This is just a pre-processing problem

[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
moving thread to talk-us where it belongs Begin forwarded message: From: Mike N nice...@att.net Date: 28 February 2010 9:17:01 PST To: t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation I don't see that the Wiki is self-contradictory in this

Re: [Talk-us] US Highway Tagging, Was Changeset reverted...

2010-02-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 28 Feb 2010, at 11:50 , Mike N wrote: yes, but the wiki isn't free of errors and can't be used as absolute reference. Who wrote it? was it based on wide agreement? If it's in wide use for a long period of time with no objections, it is closer to a standard than any other

Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-27 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 27 Feb 2010, at 14:33 , Nathan Edgars II wrote: Richard Weait wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II neroute2 at gmail.com wrote: It's been a day with no response from lkrevert. Can somebody please take care of this? I generally allow other mappers a week to respond

Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-27 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 27 Feb 2010, at 15:37 , Konrad Skeri wrote: I.e. guilty until proven otherwise? there is no court no judge no laws. only volunteers willing to help. User A edits the map. User B reverts user A's edits without explaining why. User A then has to justify before the whole community why

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-23 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Just for POI collection there are already 2 or 3 applications BTC mapper Vespucci Vespucci has nice features but user interface is really complicated to use. can edit all tags, POI, ways. might be a good idea to improve this project instead just another POI collector On 23 Feb 2010, at 6:36 ,

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-23 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 23 Feb 2010, at 13:00 , Graham Jones wrote: I have just got an Android phone too and was thinking of doing some work on simplifying the Vespucci user interface (I'm just learning how the UI system works on Android firststill can't get the camera to work properly...). I see the

Re: [Talk-us] Use of highway=tertiary

2010-02-23 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 22 Feb 2010, at 23:39 , Stellan Lagerstrom wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: did someone contact this user? any feedback? he/she reverted the whole revert again. Will try to revert some of the worst areas for now but can't spend to much time on this. We had a brief exchange

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from most people is useless. a

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 21 Feb 2010, at 15:09 , SteveC wrote: The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - maybe those people left because the site was crap, not because they inherently don't like adding more than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more. I can't agree or disagree

Re: [Talk-ca] Tiger positioning not quite correct?

2010-02-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
usually tiger is wrong, yahoo resolution is not very good but still good enough to confirm that the tiger roads don't match at all. On 19 Feb 2010, at 19:26 , Adam Dunn wrote: Working on NRN import on BC/Alaska border, in the town of Stewart, and it looks like there is a mismatch in

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update

2010-02-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
overkill. with NED data it's a different story 25m minor 100m medium 200m major what did you use for medium and major contours? Sam On 2/17/10, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: have built contour line maps lately based on srtm data. If anyone is interested in a specifc area

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update

2010-02-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
/ is SRTM based with refined data. Cheers, Sam Sam On 2/17/10, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: have built contour line maps lately based on srtm data. If anyone is interested in a specifc area let me know. I am not such a web guru like Lambertus and have no host

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update

2010-02-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
have built contour line maps lately based on srtm data. If anyone is interested in a specifc area let me know. I am not such a web guru like Lambertus and have no host to provide them for convenient download. If someone can host them let me know. most tiles are 1x1 degree except where it

Re: [OSM-talk] fwd: Two thirds of mobile users want driving ANDwalking navigation

2010-02-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Feb 2010, at 9:46 , Dave F. wrote: John Smith wrote: On 17 February 2010 01:40, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Frequently you can't get a position fix at all, if the building has much metal in its structure. I can't get a position fix from inside my house unless I am

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Are we strict enough with imports ?

2010-02-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
slightly off topic, one problem we have is many imports are incomplete because of network/server interrupting the upload. Users stopping uploads but not being able to revert them. As a rule please report broken imports/uploads and someone can revert them before manual changes make it nearly

Re: [Talk-us] Incorrect Summit Elevations - Colorado

2010-02-09 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Have seen it too in California. It's not only the elevation also lat/lon is wrong for many summits. If there is any better source correct it. I verify it by gps and topo 24k and yahoo. If there is any official and better data I am all for replacing GNIS data. On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:35 , Mike

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Fwd: [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I'm happy to use either method, but one of the reasons why I prefer the 1-relation-per-direction method is that it lets me quickly find areas that need to be split into dual carriageways. same for me, Josm has good support for sorting and relations and checking for gaps. also the relation

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:07 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Why does there need to be 2 relations for this? besides editing convenience a relation is directed and sorted since API 0.6 You can see it as a route to follow from start to end. For bus routes this is a must. 2

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
what is wrong with 2 relations? I didn't say 2 are needed but why do you think 2 is bad? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 9 February 2010 11:21, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: besides editing convenience a relation is directed

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Feb 2010, at 18:28 , John Smith wrote: On 9 February 2010 12:20, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: what is wrong with 2 relations? I didn't say 2 are needed but why do you think 2 is bad? It creates redundant data, and makes it easier to get conflicting data if both

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Feb 2010, at 20:03 , John Smith wrote: On 9 February 2010 14:00, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, all you are doing is coming up with work arounds to current issues, the issues should be fixed properly. Apart from the obvious you aren't uploading/download every single

Re: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
there is a major disconnect between what people think is right and what the wiki calls for. from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations we see: network=US:I, US:I:BUSINESS, US:I:DOWNTOWN, US:I:FUTURE Required. Business, downtown and future routes have their

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I'm happy to use either method, but one of the reasons why I prefer the 1-relation-per-direction method is that it lets me quickly find areas that need to be split into dual carriageways. same for me, Josm has good support for sorting and relations and checking for gaps. also the relation

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Most of Busselton deleted

2010-02-01 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
will do it, no conflicts detected in dry run edit definitely looks destruction done by a newbie please notify the user why this has been done and explain how to edit. On 1 Feb 2010, at 21:54 , John Smith wrote: I've forwarded a copy of your email to the main talk list, some people have

Re: [Talk-at] Gebäude mit Innenhof (Relation)

2010-01-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
das wollte ich eh schon lange machen http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/396669 die tags auf dem outer way sind redundant, schaden aber auch nicht. Die Richtung der ways ist vollkommen egal. Wichtig ist nur dass alle alle outer ways ein geschlossenes polygon bilden. Josm zeigt das sehr

Re: [OSM-talk] North America extract

2010-01-26 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
That isn't a North America extract, or even a US extract. It is a collection of extracts by country for all except US/CA and a collection of state/province extracts for the US and Canada. This is quite useful, but it isn't an entire NA extract. I remember an earlier comment that a NA

Re: [Talk-us] Use of highway=tertiary

2010-01-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Didn't find time to check this earlier. this is entirely wrong and the changeset commetn tells it all 'more likely to be tertiary than residential, in this area' any objections to revert this changeset as a whole? revert will skip all ways which have been touched in the meantime. It might leave

Re: [OSM-talk] How to load geotagged pics without GPS track ?

2009-12-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
you can lad any gpx track and then load the geotagged pics with a right click on the gpx layer. Josm will use the existing exif data and will not try to match with gpx On 29 Dec 2009, at 24:45 , Andre Hinrichs wrote: Am Montag, den 28.12.2009, 23:50 +0100 schrieb Jeremy G: Hi list, I'm in

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Zipcode Import

2009-12-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
data from census isn't best quality and it will just repeat the errors from tiger import. tiger roads have already zip codes. there is no additional value. in the long term full address data is the way to go. imports for data from census should be done only locally where mapper can verify the

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 24:57 , Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. I don't see why that should be relevant to us. China follows a no mapping policy - do we care? you have spent to much time on mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 24:42 , Peter Körner wrote: there is no structure left behind for burning men. as soon as all is removed map should show current status again. keeping it in the database is ok but the tags need to reflect that there is nothing left on ground *I think* it should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 3:51 , Mikel Maron wrote: Of course, we now have a map with data shown past the end_date for the 2008 event. The most obvious option is tuning the renderers to data past it's end date. There's downsides to that .. larger planet size, increased complexity in

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. as alternative it must be at least tagged different to disappear from maps. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Kevin Samples ksamp...@uga.edu wrote: It's the Burning Man Festival and it was recently a Featured Image on the wiki.

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi Apollinaris Apollinaris Schoell wrote: should be deleted then. Why? We map what is on ground ( with some exceptions like boundaries) Burning man follows a no trace policy. Who says this why? Burning man

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard sound arguments why CC-BY-SA "doesn't work" and what "work" actually means. Doesn't work for Cloudmade? I think you hit the nail

Re: [OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Since some people feel about the vote like being held hostage with a gun to their head somebody should solve their dilemma. Fork now and everybody that might compelled to vote yes for fear to lose their data can vote no and know they have a new project that has all the data but does not

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 6 Dec 2009, at 10:25 , Ulf Lamping wrote: Apollinaris Schoell schrieb: On 5 Dec 2009, at 20:03 , Ulf Lamping wrote: I'm sorry, but for the last two years I can't remember asking for a license change at all. Sorry but this topic was many times on many lists, it's on the wiki. If you

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-05 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Dec 2009, at 20:03 , Ulf Lamping wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: I think the LWG has done a good job on a difficult task. A task that we, as a community, asked them to do for us because we couldn't implement a license change as a group of 20,000 (at the time) individual mappers. I'm

Re: [Talk-us] Undeletion

2009-12-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
you can open the area in Potlatch and hit U deleted objects will appear in red and after unlock they are restored for normal edit. works very well if there aren't hundreds of other deleted objects in the same area On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Christopher Covington c...@vt.edu wrote: Hi all,

Re: [Talk-us] Undeletion

2009-12-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 12/4/09 5:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: you can open the area in Potlatch and hit U deleted objects will appear in red and after unlock they are restored for normal edit. works very well if there aren't

Re: [Talk-us] Vegetation/landuse import

2009-12-03 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 3 Dec 2009, at 9:08 , Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Thea Clay t...@cloudmade.com wrote: Hi guys, I am so excited that more land use imports are in the works. They make such a huge visual difference. Check out the border between a state with the import complete and

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup guidance wanted

2009-12-03 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jeff Barlow j...@wb6csv.net wrote: Hi, I'm new here and a little unsure of how best to proceed. I'm having some issues getting JOSM to run but I expect to get those sorted out soon. Then I want to start working on TIGER fixup. I'm located in central Oregon,

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
To make a gmapsupp.img for all of the US, I was going to get a US extract of the planet, use splitter, and then use mkgmap with routing enabled. I would then use gmapibuilder to put into RoadTrip so I can load the parts I want together with the proprietary map (for when I actually have

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
will check the setup on the dev server and see how difficult it is to run things there. having the planet via nfs will save a couple hours for download. Will need a couple of days because I am moving and my time and internet access is limited. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Dave Hansen

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:14 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to know which map has an accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not a derived interpretation of other base maps. C'mon, this is the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:05 , Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Allan writes: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:14 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to know which map has an accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not a derived interpretation of other base maps. C'mon, this is the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:05 , Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Allan writes: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:40 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Lord-Castillo, Brett blord-casti...@stlouisco.com wrote: I'm still getting a handle on the schemas in use for OSM, and noticed that concept of matching address nodes to ways when doing imports. I'm not so sure this

Re: [Talk-us] addressing format

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
SteveC wrote: Thinking about this 'numbers on nodes' schema... let's say it's perfect and we all agree, then who's going to do the import work for it? It requires matching up past and present geometries to find the correct nodes to update, and, er, that's the hard bit of coding with the

Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] [Imports] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Yeah, and that does sound like a really nice way to do it, especially when there is existing data. Anybody want to be on the USA "conversion team"? :) sure, post all your ideas and improvements. if the noise is too high we can create another list

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-15 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Alan Millar wrote: no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import. I am. tiger import was great from technical point of view but didn't allow to build a community from scratch. I didn't want to build anything from scratch. I'm simply not

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Nov 2009, at 23:56 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 10:22 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:56 -0800, Dan Homerick wrote: i, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 18:05 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: matching Tiger id's is a very bad idea. you need to compare geometries. during edits ways are split, merged copied moved, deleted nodes added node, Most of these operations

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Nov 2009, at 23:56 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 10:22 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:56 -0800, Dan Homerick wrote: i, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 18:05 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: matching Tiger id's is a very bad idea. you need to compare geometries. during edits ways are split, merged copied moved, deleted nodes added node, Most of these operations

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of OSM itself. It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you have some more constructive information about places where you've

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't been willing to start doing addresses, even before I knew that the TIGER import was

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Hi Dave, can you provide SC (Santa Clara County) California? btw any ideas how the break it into smaller pieces? I definitely don't want to upload a whole county at once and deal with the big mess afterwards. As I understand it address ways don't connect to other ways so it shouldn't be

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of OSM itself. It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you have some more constructive information about places where you've

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't been willing to start doing addresses, even before I knew that the TIGER import was

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 8:28 , Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:18 , Anthony wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It probably has to be a relation. Include a start node, an end node, and a list of one or more ways

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
follow the OSM principle. map what's on the ground no matter where you are On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:56 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 8:28 , Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try to fix it up later. We've been working on lots of post-import fixups in the last 6 months and it's much harder than everyone

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
follow the OSM principle. map what's on the ground no matter where you are On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:56 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-11 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would be problematic for many reasons. Ranges might span multiple ways, and right/left has to be reversed whenever the way is reversed being the most troublesome.

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-11 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would be problematic for many reasons. Ranges might span multiple ways, and right/left has to be reversed whenever the way is reversed being the most troublesome.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping islands question

2009-10-27 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
coastline update is slower and may take 1-2 weeks in Mapnik rendering. roads are updated immediately. TAH should update quickly and you can use it for checking. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Joe Pranevich jpranev...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm trying to fix Hutchinson Island, Florida (

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea

2009-10-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
me too also bay area On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:00 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for

Re: [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea

2009-10-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
me too also bay area On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:00 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for

[OSM-legal-talk] osm copyright violation?

2009-10-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Hi Isn't this a violation of the osm copyright? Can't find any attribution on the website. http://hotpads.com/search/#lat=37.34232140492519lon=-121.85159683227539zoom=24listingTypes=rental,sublet,room,corporateincludeVaguePricing=falseloan=30,0.0525,0visible=new,viewed,favorite What should be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] osm copyright violation?

2009-10-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Apo, On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Isn't this a violation of the osm copyright? Can't find any attribution on the website. http://hotpads.com/search

Re: [Talk-us] Lot boundaries

2009-10-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
some counties have detailed parcel data and even building outlines with adress data. someone imported a nice example in Mono county http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.645611lon=-118.975286zoom=18layers=B000FTF but some buildings have only dummy adress and are 0. other counties offer data too

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Oct 2009, at 9:20 , SteveC wrote: Dave - super awesome. As I said on IRC the other week, but I'll repeat here for all - I think dumping the addressing for all 3,000 counties and then letting people import them one by one will be the best way to do it. yes this is the best way to get

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Oct 2009, at 9:20 , SteveC wrote: Dave - super awesome. As I said on IRC the other week, but I'll repeat here for all - I think dumping the addressing for all 3,000 counties and then letting people import them one by one will be the best way to do it. yes this is the best way to get

Re: [OSM-talk] bot vandalism

2009-10-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 11 Oct 2009, at 22:37 , Matthias Versen wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: I know it has been discussed before but found a lot of broken data created by bot bugbuster and this is important enough to bring it up again. There was some lame response but never really an explanation what

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