On 14/12/2020 17:27, Edward Bainton wrote:
Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one that
near enough exactly tracks the LA boundary South Kesteven:Peterborough (at
Deeping St James)?
Someone took their tracker with them when "Beating the Bounds"?
I have now changed this from "driveway" to "service road" with access
for motor vehicles as "destination", i.e. for access to properties only.
I don't think it can be "private" because there are two properties along
there, Noverton Cottage and Noverton Farm.
I have also added the gate at the
On 13/12/2020 13:45, Nick wrote:
what do people think of Overlapping ways i.e. one is a road and
a duplicate is a bridleway? Not elegant and something I would not
normally suggest but...
Hi Nick,
When I've tried that in the past I've been jumped on for breaking a
fundamental rule of OSM
On 13/12/2020 09:06, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Apologies for going off topic, but I knew that name (Noverton Farm)
sounded familiar.
A quick check of where it is would explain why. In 1998 I did a long
distance walk from Sussex to the Peak District, following ordinary
footpaths (planned using
As the OP on this, all I can say is that in this part of the world,
which includes that farm, that roadway would be called a "farm drive"
(not "driveway") with double gates and a nameboard where it leaves the
public road.
If you referred to the "track leading to the farm" the farmer might
On 12/12/2020 21:30, David Woolley wrote:
Your first problem would be establishing a funding model for it; OSM, in
general, is not funded to a level that would support large scale end
user use.
Hi David,
Small-scale end use would be a start. But folks need to find it in the
first
On 12/12/2020 17:37, Andy Townsend wrote:
That allows maps such as
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=16=52.28208=-2.42987
to display it as a public bridleway (in blue)
Hi Andy,
That's a great map! It seems you have already done what I would be
interested in doing - to
On 12/12/2020 13:15, Andy Townsend wrote:
Ultimately, if "something needs doing", "someone" will need to do it.
Perhaps that someone is you?
Hi Andy,
Yes that someone could be me. I have a server (located in Columbus,
Ohio) on which I am using only a fraction of the available memory space
On 12/12/2020 13:16, Mark Goodge wrote:
Out in a rural area, nearly everybody would call that length
of road, especially one that links a public highway with private farm
tracks, a track or access road.
Hi Mark,
I'm not sure about that. In this part of the world, a roadway which
links from
On 12/12/2020 13:03, Nick wrote:
For this particular example it is clearly complex as it was shown as a
'permissive' footpath (other non vehicular access was along the
designated bridleway). As this is in England and given that the driveway
seems to have just been changed to 'designated', I
p.s. here's a screenshot of that. It looks silly:
https://85a.uk/missing_driveway_zoom15.png
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A common situation is that a service road/driveway continues as a track
beyond the initial residential destination. This is common on farms.
On the standard map at zoom level 15, driveways are not shown. But
tracks and footpaths are. This seems counter-intuitive in that driveways
are usually
On 10/12/2020 14:13, John Aldridge wrote:
There'd be a whole lot less temptation to tag for the renderer, if the
renderers rendered for the tags a bit better!
Agreed, and while we are on the subject, please can we have *tracks*
rendered on the standard map as a double line? As they are on
My reasons for changing it, is that it is shared use path with a greater
number of people of foot than bicycle (about 5:2)
Many public bridleways have many more walkers and cyclists using it than
actual horse-riders. But are still mapped as bridleways.
Map it as a cycleway, unless it is a
What's the OSM policy on legal ROWs that have no physical evidence
You walk along them. There is then physical evidence, and you can map
it. I've done that a lot.
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There are several instances locally where a footpath across a field is
crossed by an electric fence.
The farmer usually fits a length of rubber hosepipe over the wire so
that walkers can safely step over the fence. Sometimes with the aid of a
couple of concrete blocks.
How to map?
On 19/11/2020 16:24, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
>
> Anybody know what featdesc & featcode refer to? Local authority
> references?
Hi Dave,
Sorry about poor formatting, copied from:
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/documents/os-vectormap-district-product-guide.pdf
OS VectorMap District
I think I have now worked this out.
The NLS historic 25" georeferenced map first looks on the server for
tiles from the County Series maps.
If that returns a 404 Not Found error (presumably because the sheet
wasn't available when the rest were scanned), it then looks on the
server for the
One of the "holes" contains the town of Kidderminster.
Looking at it on the full 25" map, that sheet is from the 1921 revision,
the surrounding sheets are from the 1901 revision:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17=52.38277=-2.24342=168=7
Which may explain the holey map, as a record of
On 30/10/2020 20:34, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
If this is referring to what I posted earlier, then you have chosen a different
map to what I linked.
Hi,
No it's a separate issue. I was browsing the NLS site when Firefox threw
an error. I clicked "Try again" and the holey map
p.s. I've now discovered an overlay slider top-right which makes a bit
more sense.
The slider is almost invisible over the map in Firefox.
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Anyone care to explain what's going on here:
https://geo.nls.uk/mapdata3/os/25_inch/holes_england/#holes_england_new/ol3
It displays the OSM basic map (without attribution), with some random
blank patches (see for example a large area north-west of Oxford).
If you zoom in on the blank
Surely OpenStreetMAP is about creating a MAP? The clue is in the name.
So you map what's on the ground:
1. Put the flares in the right place (often they are wildly out).
2. If there is a "No U-turn" sign you add it, otherwise you don't.
Making a router work properly is a job for the person
shop=builders_merchant ?
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On 25/07/2020 00:36, David Woolley wrote:
Also, generating a PDF server side is a relatively expensive, so don't
expect to welcomed if you start doing this on the fly.
Hi David,
Can you clarify what you mean by "on the fly"?
I anticipate clicking the PDF download button, and then working
On 24/07/2020 23:18, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
"OpenStreetMap data is free for everyone to use. Our tile servers are not."
See https://operations.osmfoundation.org/policies/tiles/ for more
"In particular, downloading an area of over 250 tiles at zoom level 13
or higher for offline or
Many thanks for the suggestions and links. A lot to take in there.
Zooming the tiles far enough to see the track detail is essential, so
I'm wondering if I'm looking at doing this the wrong way.
It's not intended that the tiles would be viewed on a slippy map in a
web browser. I'm writing a
I'm looking for some pointers.
I have a dedicated server (located in Ohio, I'm in UK) with full
controls. I'm fairly confident with web sites and javascript (and
geometry), but I'm entirely new to online mapping (apart from editing
OSM in the iD editor).
What I want to do is use OSM as a
> but most people I know aren't aware of OSM.
I've been trying to persuade country-walking groups to use OSM. There is
a lot of useful stuff there not shown on OS Explorer -- stiles, kissing
gates, benches, bus stops, all pubs, cafes, etc. It's a lot more
up-to-date, and if they find
It is just possible (sight unseen) that it is an Easter Egg.
We could do the same. If we don't know whether it is permissible to tag
it Fairfield Road in OSM, and there is no actual sign on it, we could
call it Fairfields Road.
Martin.
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Is a "public right of way" a highway?
I suggest not. It's a legal construct, similar to a boundary line.
Perhaps it should be mapped as a separate way, sometimes sharing nodes
with a physical highway, sometimes not.
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What is this stuff called?
https://goo.gl/maps/uVVfLbicFhT25TM5A
https://goo.gl/maps/5g1yJnsAGEHzpqqY6
I got as far as tourism=artwork but then
artwork_type= ?
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On 03/04/2020 13:40, nathan case wrote:
I ruled it out because, from the same wiki:
"This tag is intended for (usually urban) parks with managed greenery" and "parks
not so designed and manicured, but rather left in a more wild and natural state should not get this
tag, instead, use another
What is wrong with Park?
From the wiki: "A park is an area of open space for recreational use,
usually designed and in semi-natural state with grassy areas, trees and
bushes. Parks are usually urban"
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What missing roads?
In this area of the UK at least, there are no *public* roads missing
from OSM, apart maybe from a few very new ones on new residential
developments, which are very quickly added by human mappers, no AI needed.
A few private driveways are missing, but are they all strictly
On 23/03/2020 13:57, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
You can access it via
http:///www.mapthepaths.org.uk/freemap
Hi Nick,
the extra / makes that link invalid. :)
Should be:
http://www.mapthepaths.org.uk/freemap
cheers,
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The traditional distinction was that Halts were unstaffed.
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On 31/01/2020 20:07, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
But that's not a parking spot. Because a vehicle just happens to be
there, it doesn't make it one. By your logic we should be tagging
pavements as such, because lazy drivers think they're entitled to break
the law.
But that was my whole point.
On 31/01/2020 12:24, Andy G Wood wrote:
For me the most logical is amenity=parking as a node.
But "amenity" suggests something specifically provided for the purpose?
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On 31/01/2020 11:13, ael wrote:
OK. I agree that parking=layby is much better.
Thanks for the comments.
But the places I was asking about can't really be called laybys, or car
parks. Somewhere that a car could be left for a few hours out of
anyone's way on an otherwise long narrow lane:
If you enjoy country walking off the beaten track, it's often difficult
to find somewhere to leave the car for several hours without it getting
in anyone's way. Country lanes can be narrow with passing places or
field gates which would be obstructed if a car is left there for long
periods.
Hi Dan,
See also man_made=street_cabinet.
The wiki page invites us to add additional usage tags:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
perhaps street_cabinet=pickup_locker
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On 01/01/2020 11:00, David Woolley wrote:
The standard map doesn't claim to be a definitive specification of what
is allowable.
So where is the definitive specification? The only practical way to
discover if something is valid seems to be to see how the standard map
renders it.
If it
On 01/01/2020 09:21, Warin wrote:
OSM - any tags you like. (that includes landuse=highway,
sport=cricket_nets etc)
So what is the significance of having proposed changes, voting, etc.?
There must be a set of accepted tags somewhere? As opposed to any tags I
care to invent as I go along?
On 01/01/2020 05:11, Warin wrote:
I would map the area around the road as
landuse=highway.
I would do the same for the lane/track between farm fields, while it
supports the use of the farm it is not a field.
Thanks, but the problem is that landuse=highway is not a valid tag.
Voting on it
On 31/12/2019 18:10, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
I would add the appropriate surface=* tag to the way.
Thanks Dave.
But a way is a *line*.
I want to tag the *area*. I've got 3 ways - 2 fences and a track.
Tagging ways is easy. Finding a meaningful tag for areas seems to be
much more
Here is a track/public bridleway:
http://85a.uk/coffin_way_960x520.jpg
which I can easily map as such.
But that is just a *centre-line*. If I add the fences, what is the
correct landuse tag for the area between them? I can't find any tag
which seems to apply.
Everywhere I look on OSM such
On 29/12/2019 22:23, Andy Townsend wrote:
Looking elsewhere in a couple of areas I'm familiar with, as well as
missing data, there are plenty of of basic digitisation errors around,
e.g. gardens seeming to be significantly larger then they should be.
This is, I guess, only the free version -
On 29/12/2019 15:53, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
> https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/
> This OS map render only shows a selection of paths. Does anyone know
> what criteria OS used to decide which to render? Initially, it appears
> random.
OS call that the "Standard Map", which is displayed to
How to tag this road?
https://goo.gl/maps/B4kUxoR83ej9JXWQ8
There is no actual barrier, just a very sharp corner.
Thanks.
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I'm happy to use "farmland" to mean cultivated land, whether for cash
crops, pasture for livestock, haymaking, any farming activity.
But I keep finding myself on land for which none of the available tags
really seem to apply. There seems to be one missing. For example:
I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland.
Thanks Dave.
But in that case, how on OSM do we differentiate between the two?
It seems silly that in some areas of OSM we can go into ridiculous
detail, such as whether a bench seat has a backrest, but vast tracts of
land
My understanding of "farmland" is fields of arable land used for the
growing of crops.
Vast areas of OSM have been marked in this area as "farmland", often as
huge multipolygons which are difficult to edit in the iD editor.
On the standard map it creates massive chunks of single colour which
On 14/11/2019 12:31, Ken Kilfedder wrote:
Per the wiki "Use waterway=canal for man-made open flow (free flow vs pipe flow)
waterways used to carry useful water for transportation, hydro-power generation OR
irrigation purposes." E.g. there are a range of purposes for which waterway=canal
is
"Canal" should surely be restricted to transport functions? Boating apps
presumably treat "canal" as a route unless navigation restrictions are
added.
If the stuff that is moving is the water rather than the boats,
"aqueduct" would be the correct term.
cheers,
Martin.
the standard Carto layer is costly to print in colour and doesn't work
very well when printed in black and white as it uses a lot of subtle
colour for detail.
Hi Mark,
The standard Transport map prints quite well in monochrome, and the
street names are nicely prominent:
Large areas of farmland are being covered with poly tunnels which are
readily apparent from aerial imagery which are sometimes tagged as
building=greenhouse.
Hi Brian,
OS call them "glasshouse" rather than "greenhouse". But if they are
plastic...
Martin.
What happens in these parts is that the town/parish councils get the new
responsibility and increase their precept to cover it.
They then contract with the district council to provide the actual service.
The net result is that residents see no change whatsoever, it is just a
paper-shuffling
On 09/10/2019 11:11, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
Not so fast... The current Company is still bust. The shops are closed.
"Sunderland-based Hays said it planned to reopen all the shops under its
own brand with immediate effect."
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The advantage of turning them all to disused: is that they are done.
The disadvantage is that there is no local confirmation. However .. I
think most will agree that even without a local survey .. the shop is
closed.
Not so fast -- see:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49985369
Martin.
There is absolutely no indication of it on the ground: no beaten path, no
fingerboard, no break in the hedge at the SW end (it wouldn't need one at
the NE end, open country).
Do I delete as probably sourced from OS, or leave as it's a right of way?
First thing to do is check the County
On 05/09/2019 09:47, Jez Nicholson wrote: It would seem ridiculous
for me to have to set up an account and> licence the underlying section
of map to sell a single field But what> if I'm selling 15,000
fields?? etc., etc.
Field boundaries don't change much over the years. If you use an
On 29/07/2019 09:35, Andy Robinson wrote:
I've just looked at a number of Amazon Logistics in my local area. A lot of
service roads are getting added which on face value look perhaps to be
driveways but that tag hasn't been added.
Amazon have been asking for help with this, see:
Sometimes deciding what is and isn't a gate is tricky. Is this a gate?
http://85a.uk/beware_bull_960x772.jpg
If not, what is it? Should it be mapped at all?
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The tag is *barrier*=gate.
A permanently open gate isn't a barrier, so I don't think it should be
tagged as such. At least not across a way.
You could add a separate node to one side of the way, and tag that as a
gate.
A gate which is often open, but sometimes closed, is just an ordinary
On 19/07/2019 12:55, David Woolley wrote:
...
(As a variation on the last point, one of my pet hates, these days, is
how few houses now have house numbers in the UK. It make it difficult
to give accurate locations for fly tips
Have you seen: https://what3words.com/
Every 3m (10ft) square on
On 04/07/2019 18:51, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
These are still 'physical' in the sense that they exist in the timetable
& Naptan documents. (Think also boundaries which don't have dashed lines
painted across fields)
This strikes me as a strange definition of "physical" and could cover
On 04/07/2019 16:11, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
In OSM we map
*physical* objects only.
In rural areas there are many places where buses are timetabled to stop
but where there is nothing physical -- no signpost or shelter.
Are these highway=bus_stop in OSM?
The wiki for highway says "Can
seen this done in various places, but I've never understood the point
it. The two representations are identical in terms of the data, but
the latter requires 2.5 times as many objects and is much more of a
pain to work with in the editors.
This happens a lot in my area. Huge areas of
Thanks for the comments.
There are in fact 3 adjacent nature reserves with different names and
ownerships.
It's possible to see the property boundaries on old maps, but after
visiting the site again yesterday I can find little remaining physical
evidence of the boundaries, with many
At this location there is a large area of open sandy heath, forming a
nature reserve:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.3716/-2.2816
In fact it is two nature reserves side by side with different names and
ownership. One is charity-owned and managed by the county Wildlife
Trust, the
What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is that
the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than nothing?
Thanks Rory.
I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to
Mapping individual equipment is a possibility, whilst as a 58 year old I am
unlikely to use the swings but I do use the exercise equipment and climbing
wall.
Hi Phil,
Here the exercise equipment is in a separate area away from the
playground. According to the wiki it should be tagged
On 04/06/2019 15:31, Philip Barnes wrote:
I would map them as separate playgrounds, map the fence and gate then add age
tags as appropriate to that area.
My towns main rec has such a distinction, outside the fenced children's area
anyone can use the equipment.
Hi Phil,
That's what I've
In the local park there are two areas of play equipment for children.
One is fenced off and clearly intended for infants/toddlers accompanied
by parents.
Next to it there is a larger unfenced area containing play equipment for
unsupervised older children, large climbing structures, zip
Some of the fields are edged with small wooden posts to prevent driving
onto the grass. Is this a 'fence'? if so, what is its type?
Hi Jez,
You can tag a way as barrier=bollard for a row of posts.
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Apart from the specialised tags such as "orchard" there appears to be
only 2 tags available for general agricultural land:
farmland
which I have taken to mean arable land. i.e. land suitable for the
growing of crops, even if currently used as pasture for grazing by
livestock; and
meadow
On 21/05/2019 12:18, Mark Goodge wrote:
> ...
From a mapping perspective, therefore, there are two questions which
need to be asked:
1. Was the railway originally constructed purely for leisure purposes?
2. Are the locomotives intended to be models or replicas of full-size
locomotives (or
I refer to the Rhiw Valley Light Railway:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.61639/-3.26766
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5712937
This is a private 15" gauge railway which holds regular open days for
the public:
http://rvlr.co.uk/
It is currently tagged as railway=miniature.
On 08/05/2019 12:46, Andy Townsend wrote:
It's a bit of a stretch, but perhaps some kind of tourist information
feature?
Thanks Andy. I think it is intended for locals rather than tourists.
It's in a village on a country lane, not a recognised tourist destination.
On closer examination of
How should I tag this? It's a former phone box in use to advertise the
attractions of the local pub. I don't know if it was done by the pub, or
by the local community. Possibly it's a community-run pub.
http://85a.uk/pub_kiosk_600x860.jpg
thanks,
Martin.
On 07/05/2019 15:40, David Woolley wrote:
Describing the physical object is a way of objectively mapping, but if
that is all you do, you don't need a map; just use the aerial imagery
directly.
Yes, but the aerial imagery isn't available *free* for anyone to use for
anything. It's not edited
On 07/05/2019 14:38, David Woolley wrote:
However, I wouldn't say the primary purpose of the area you were asking
about is to be a garden; I would say it is somewhere to reside, and the
gardens form a subsidiary part of it, and should be represented with
nested areas.
Thanks David.
But is
On 07/05/2019 13:21, Russ Garrett wrote:
From a zoomed-out perspective, landuse= (and natural=) is the main
thing you see on the map (especially if buildings aren't mapped), so I
think it's pretty useful from a cartographic point of view. It's not
just about what you see on the ground, but
On 07/05/2019 13:04, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
Primarily, map
what you see on the ground, Any legalese requirements (access
restrictions etc) can be added as secondary tags.
Thanks Dave. In that case, I would think landuse=residential would be a
secondary tag on something else more visible?
On 07/05/2019 12:04, David Woolley wrote:
I would say it was anything that was landuse=residential, and, in the
UK, that would basically be anything where the primary planning class
was C3 or C4.
Thanks David.
I think this goes to the heart of my (mis)understanding of what OSM is for?
Are
On 07/05/2019 11:34, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where
people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped
individually within that area.
Thanks Dave. But in that case, why in the iD editor when I change
"Residential
What is a "residential area" in the iD editor? How many dwellings are
needed in what proximity to become one? Is it a physical plot of land on
which at least one person lives? Or the usual meaning of a
village/hamlet/housing estate/suburb where a number of people live?
In my patch there are
Many thanks Nick and Michael. I obviously need to do more RTFM. :)
I did some digging in the Help panel and found that there are several
out-of-date lists of iD shortcuts.
To get the Measurements panel to appear I have to press CTRL+I, not M,
at least in the Opera browser.
The scalebar is
The trade mark is "best-one", see:
https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/4/EU004384137
from which:
Mark Description: The phrase "best-one" is written in lower case,
italicized, with "best-" in yellow and "one" in white."
The company name is:
Bestway Wholesale Limited, 2
On 05/05/2019 17:39, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
Given the small width of the ditch, I wouldn't bother with the separate
way, but just put the ford & handrail tags on the intersecting node.
The way you've mapped it the ford & handrail are 5 metres in length.
Thanks Dave.
I have shortened it
Got a Link?
If you're mapping linear ways a node at their intersection with ford=yes
is required.
Thanks Dave. I have now added an intersection node, which has fixed the
error.
However, it seems a bit odd to have to do that? It means there are now 2
elements tagged ford=yes, an
On 05/05/2019 14:42, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
Hi
I'm not convinced it's a bridge
I would tag your example as a ford=yes, handrail=yes.
DaveF
Thanks all.
I'm also not convinced it's a bridge. There is no evidence of any other
structure at each end of the handrail. I suspect the small
Is this a footbridge? Or maybe a ford? Stepping stones?
There is a solid handrail, but only a small plank of rotten wood, about
2ft long by 4 inches wide, dropped in the mud:
http://85a.uk/plank_bridge.jpg
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)
DaveF
On 22/04/2019 13:43, Martin Wynne wrote:
Often in my travels I come across something like this:
http://85a.uk/stile_gate2_1280x720.jpg
http://85a.uk/stile_gate_1280x720.jpg
Should this be mapped as a stile or a gate? Or both side by side?
If the latter, which node should the way
barrier=stile seems unhelpful to me if rendered as a normal stile
symbol, for walkers needing to know if they will have to climb any.
barrier=chicane would perhaps be more descriptive?
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Often in my travels I come across something like this:
http://85a.uk/stile_gate2_1280x720.jpg
http://85a.uk/stile_gate_1280x720.jpg
Should this be mapped as a stile or a gate? Or both side by side?
If the latter, which node should the way be connected to?
It's a public right of way on
p.s. just noticed there is indeed a tiny Donation link on the bottom
right corner. Perhaps it needs to be bigger?
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How do you propose funding such a service?
Hi David,
When I first found OSM the standard map was up and running, so I assumed
that matter had been resolved. It is still currently up and running and
displayed on the front page, so I assume it is still resolved?
If not, perhaps a Donation
For many people, the *point* of OSM is that it's a better version of
Google maps.
That's certainly my reason for adding stuff to OSM. If it doesn't appear
on the "standard map" I'm not much inclined to spend hours recording it
and mapping it. If there is a way I can legitimately change the
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