-lingual places). Anyway I
definitely don't have a couple of 100 Kort challenges around where I live
(mono-lingual German speaking region), so likely you are seeing something
different.
Am 17.01.2014 00:24, schrieb Peter Davies:
Simon,
I tried Kort here in Portland, Oregon. It gave me some
to
lang. My neighborhood name could be translated into many languages, but
that doesn’t mean it has anything other than an English name.
It’s also important to remember that English is not a default in OSM names
*From:* Peter Davies [mailto:peter.dav...@crc-corp.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January
Simon,
I tried Kort here in Portland, Oregon. It gave me some interesting things
to think about. I'd hoped to send them to talk-ch, but it seems I can't
without subscribing in the longer term. Maybe you can relay this to your
local colleagues?
Kort gave me three types of mission. One was to
Thanks, Mihh.
Actually I'm interested in any road on which significant traffic incidents
and slowdowns occur, including county roads and major named urban streets
(OSM primary, secondary, and maybe tertiary). I've not heard of anyone
planning to go down to those levels with route relations, but
, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Peter Davies
peter.dav...@crc-corp.comwrote:
We would post the cardinal directions using tags for each whole
directional relation. However where the Muskogee Turnpike turns from E-W to
S-N
I am very interested to see Paul Johnson's OK relation completion
spreadsheet, as I'm trying to make a business decision on whether to use
relations when importing OSM data into into our state DOT traffic
information applications. These apps are neither navigation nor mapping,
but share some
. I think Paul Johnson will let us know if he can
definitely find it in Oklahoma.
Time to get it done and just do it in the road?
Peter
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Andrew Hain andrewhain...@hotmail.co.ukwrote:
Peter Davies peter.davies@... writes:
Does anyone know if the Europeans
Paul
This is really helpful in confirming to me that I can't use relations in my
apps, as there are too many unfinished ones. Can anyone tell me if they
know of anyone else with such a spreadsheet for any other states?
Peter
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
Paul,
One of the things that Martijn and I agree needs to be possible is for
routes to change directional posting part-way along. This commonly happens
on beltways like that around Minneapolis St-Paul, that around Indie, and on
AZ Loop 101 and 202 here in Metro Phoenix.
For my part, I also feel
Martijn,
When you're dealing with a repeatedly mixed single/dual carriageway road,
such as CA 78, the lack of a diagram in JOSM showing single/dual logic
once you switch from role=forward to role=east (or west) soon becomes
unbearable. In the end I gave up and created separate EB and WB
, but it cannot be used to
overrule facts on the ground.
Peter Davies
Castle Rock Associates
Portland, Oregon
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:33 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote:
I know awhile back I updated the ref tag on the short segment of I-77 that
has I-74 cosigned with it from ref=I
I think it useful to spin off this topic from the long and still unfinished
debate about directional roles in relations. I hope it can be agreed more
quickly than the cardinal directional roles issue!
The question is how to handle US roadway routes that are double, triple or
even quad-banded,
Last night I wrote a long discussion of why I think we need to show the
cardinal directions of both OSM forward and OSM backward for 2-way ways
that serve both route directions in relation member roles.
In particular I argued for the use of two different symbols for two use
cases: one where the
in New Jersey, which is both US 1 and US 9, is the main
example, but Highway 12-18 in Madison, WI (US 12 and US 18) also comes to
mind.
Eric
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Peter Davies
peter.dav...@crc-corp.comwrote:
A further thought in favor of using the way ref tag simply
-
From: Peter Davies [mailto:peter.dav...@crc-corp.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:45 PM
To: Eric Fischer
Cc: Martijn van Exel; Richard Welty; OSM US Talk
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators
(multiple
overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator
, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Peter Davies wrote:
Kerry
snip
It's also perfectly fine if we want to keep all of the secondary
designators in the ways' ref tags, as long as the most important one is
presented first. We can easily ignore the less important numbers. But
without a way ref (i.e., using
in signage. You never know who is using a given piece
of pavement by following which route number. Just because the locals might
call it “the Miracle Mile” doesn’t mean that is the appropriate choice for
shield priority.
Kerry
*From:* Peter Davies [mailto:peter.dav...@crc-corp.com]
*Sent
on
single carriageways. Martijn, can I be allowed to change the wiki page
once again while overeating this Christmas, should I have the time? It
could be my present to myself ...
Peter Davies
Castle Rock Associates,
Portland, OR
S
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Saikrishna Arcot saiarcot
Martijn
I just wrote a short novel on why I think we should use obviously different
cardinal direction roles on single carriageway roads than on dual
carriageway ways, and so I'll not repeat myself here.
Peter
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:
James,
Martijn,
Roads like I 394 west of downtown Minneapolis have several miles of
collector-distributor lanes (separate carriageways running parallel to the
main motorway carriageways) in each direction whose purpose is to handle
slower entering and leaving traffic without creating dangerous short
Martijn,
While spending the last three weeks comparing different methods of defining
cardinal directions in member roles, I noticed that iD makes it hard to see
which direction on a way is currently OSM forward. Potlach makes it easy,
once you grasp what the arrow shows. JOSM does it less
James,
I have a question about this, though it all sounds good to me in principle.
Is your proposal just about the relations? What would we do on the refs
of the ways? For example, on I-394 in Minneapolis and western suburbs, a
mapper has left off US 12 because it is at least partly unsigned.
. Introducing the GIS concept of linear
referencing into this discussion I think adds to the confusion. We
should perhaps discuss that separately - I for one don't see the
immediate relation between the two, but I am happy to be proven wrong.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Peter Davies peter.dav
Other examples of weird route designators include Arizona's Loop 101 and
Loop 202 freeways in Maricopa County (Greater Phoenix). They are state
highways, 100% freeways (probably), one around metro PHX and the other
around the East Valley (Tempe/Mesa etc.). Like James I think that the
route
We at Castle Rock Associates and our client Mn/DOT agree that I-35W is the
route designator (ref on the way in OSM).
Peter Davies
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-Original Message-
From: James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:44:09
To: Saikrishna
I should add that in OSM, I-35W is written I 35W, without the dash. I-35
splits into I-35W and I-35E in MSP (MN) as well as in DFW (TX). Mn/DOT is the
Minnesota Dept of Transportation. Peter Davies
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-Original Message-
From: peter.dav...@crc-corp.com
Martijn,
I think it would be conceptually clearest for all the 2-way single
carriageway ways to point the same way and would suggest that this should
normally in be the direction of increasing milepoints/pointes kilometriques
(usually northwards or eastwards). At Castle Rock we call this the
successfully captured with your
suggestion, then I would like to expand on it. Why not just make the
cardinal direction value-forward/backward value relationship a bit
more simpler? I would like to cite Peter Davies' discussion on the
Highway Directions in the US wiki page. He stated that milepoints
When I typed The cost of reporting the whole route is usually
prohibitive. below I meant The cost of reposting the whole route is
usually prohibitive. By posting I mean signing.
Peter Davies, Castle Rock
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Peter Davies peter.dav...@crc-corp.comwrote:
Martijn
Trying again ...
-- Forwarded message --
From: Peter Davies peter.dav...@crc-corp.com
Date: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Subject: Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Kristen and Martijn,
I've not posted here before so I
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