[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: local community builders, unite?

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

For those of you who don't follow the talk mailing list, I just did a call
for action with regards to my diary entry about local community building,
nased on the input we got for the Local Communities Panel at State of the
Map Brussels.


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From: joost schouppe 
Date: 2016-11-16 8:40 GMT+01:00
Subject: local community builders, unite?
To: Talk Openstreetmap 


Hi,

It took me a while, but based on all the input we got for the Local
Communities Panel at State of the Map Brussels, I wrote a diary [1] entry
on building local mapping communities. I focused on the stuff the people
who couldn't make it to SotM contributed.

It has two main subjects:
- sharing what has (or hasn't) worked for us
- stuff that the global community could really help us with

Even though I got some positive feedback at the diary page and on twitter
[2], I'm afraid something like this will have very little impact unless we
follow up on it.

At the Local Chapters congress during SotM Brussels, it was quite clear
that a lot of people did have the energy to keep stuff like this visible.
But where are you now? How can we keep working together?

For the sharing experience part, I suppose we should build in the wiki.
For the needed features, I think we need to be able to make some
propositions as some sort of group. And for that, we'd need some kind of
channel. Any suggestions?




[1]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/39876
[2]: https://twitter.com/pascal_n/status/798214962879471616

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[OSM-talk] local community builders, unite?

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

It took me a while, but based on all the input we got for the Local
Communities Panel at State of the Map Brussels, I wrote a diary [1] entry
on building local mapping communities. I focused on the stuff the people
who couldn't make it to SotM contributed.

It has two main subjects:
- sharing what has (or hasn't) worked for us
- stuff that the global community could really help us with

Even though I got some positive feedback at the diary page and on twitter
[2], I'm afraid something like this will have very little impact unless we
follow up on it.

At the Local Chapters congress during SotM Brussels, it was quite clear
that a lot of people did have the energy to keep stuff like this visible.
But where are you now? How can we keep working together?

For the sharing experience part, I suppose we should build in the wiki.
For the needed features, I think we need to be able to make some
propositions as some sort of group. And for that, we'd need some kind of
channel. Any suggestions?




[1]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/39876
[2]: https://twitter.com/pascal_n/status/798214962879471616

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] refonte openstreetmap.fr / Need help

[PanierAvide]

Bonjour,

Juste une question/remarque : le point d'entrée du domaine 
openstreetmap.fr ce sera la carte ou le site "descriptif" de 
l'association ? De mon retour d'expérience, quand je veux faire 
découvrir OpenStreetMap à quelqu'un, la personne va chercher sur son 
moteur de recherche préféré, et le site .fr ressort en premier. Mais là 
c'est ballot, il faut aller chercher le lien pour accéder à la carte sur 
osm.org. Un détour pas toujours utile. Si l'on développe un portail 
map.osm.fr, ce serait pertinent que ce soit le point d'entrée du site 
openstreetmap.fr. Et après, mettre en évidence les menus thématiques 
(mais de manière plus évidente que sur osm.org, où c'est pas hyper 
intuitif). À mon avis pour les "découvreurs", le plus parlant ce sera 
déjà une carte, et ensuite des explications plus générales sur le but, 
les moyens...


Cordialement.


Le 15/11/2016 à 23:06, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :

Hello,
Le site openstreetmap.fr  ne vous a-t-il 
jamais énervé : vieux, moche et pas très utile ?
Changeons cela ensemble ! Je cherche des volontaires pour passer un 
peu de temps pour refaire le site, est-ce que cela tente du Monde ?
*ça se passe ici : https://annuel.framapad.org/p/openstreetmap.fr 
*
C'est une proposition que moi-même, Jean-Louis et Donat nous vous 
soumettons à discussion, de ce que pourrai être notre future vitrine.


On a plusieurs phases à définir et à mettre en œuvre, vous pouvez 
aider selon vos compétences :

1. Définir le besoin/structure du site : besoin de n'importe qui de motivé
2. Collecter le contenu multimédia : photos, illustrations ... : 
besoin de n'importe qui de motivé
3. écrire le contenu : besoin de personnes à l'aise à l'écrit / aimant 
écrire
4. Créer le design : sauf si quelqu'un d'entre vous est designer, on 
envisage de sous-traiter cette partie sur laquelle on manque de compétence
5. Intégrer le design et développer le site en lui-même : besoin de 
dev web (la techo n'est pas encore choisie, nous pouvons en discuter ...)
6. Migrer le contenu du vieux site, gérer la redirection des URLs : 
besoin de dev web
7. Continuer l'animation / création de contenu une fois le site lancé 
: besoin de personnes à l'aise à l'écrit / aimant écrire motivées dans 
le temps


La 7éme étape est importante, en effet, aujourd'hui, si notre site 
n'est pas très utile, c'est aussi car nous manquons de volontaires 
pour le mettre à jour de manière régulière.


Je veux bien porter le projet mais c'est un gros morceau, qui m'aide ?

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Re: [Talk-it] scelta surface

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 15 nov 2016, alle ore 23:51, girarsi_liste 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Quelle sono piastre di porfido.
> 
> Forse surface=paving_stones, material=porphyry.


+1, non sono cobblestones

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-cz] Rozhovor s předsedou Rady značení KČT

[Marián Kyral]

-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Karel Volný 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 15. 11. 2016 22:34:51
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Rozhovor s předsedou Rady značení KČT

"zdar, 

> > Chmm, takze pokud vyrazim vybaven sablonou, tak znacka = 3x maznout 
> > stetcem = tak ... minuta? Pri realnych ... max 15 per km to je 15 minut 
> > + dalsich 15 minut chuze. 900 stovek za hodinu ... kdo to ma. 
> 
> Tak jednoduche to neni. Maznout stetcem je jenom u preznaceni. U noveho 
> znaceni se jeste musi cistit povrch. Trasa se musi projit minimalne 
> jednou pred znacenim. Spise vicekrat. Navic je kolem toho dost 
> papirovani. Tu novou trasu u nas jsme zarizovali pul roku. 

no, moment, pokud píšeš "jsme zařizovali", tak zase nedává smysl psát "navíc

dost papírování" jako zastání, že "tak jednoduché to (pro KČT) není" 

rozumím, že nejde jen o "3x máznout štětcem", a i když se kolikrát divím, 
jak 
se něco vůbec může uživit, v tomhle případě jsem na opačné straně, kdy mi 
není 
jasné, na co by se ty peníze měly spotřebovat, když značkáři placení nejsou 
(a 
popravdě, v tom konkrétním příkladu by mi to nebylo jasné, ani kdyby tou 
průměrnou mzdou(*) placeni byli) 

a k tomu pořád zůstává ta otázka s Trasou - tedy předpokládejme, že generuje

zisky, když to ryze komerční subjekty zvládnou při podobnejch cenách 

pokud inkasujou ~15 M z našich daní (na obnovu, takže výše uvedený příklad 
značení nové trasy na žádost obce v tom asi ani není), a přitom se tvářej, 
jak 
to dělaj z čirýho nadšení dobrovolnicky, voní mi to dosti nevábně ... 

K. 

(*) mimochodem, zajímalo by mě, jak panáčci došli k 75000 h za 10,5 M, 
protože 
mzdové náklady na zaměstnance jsou vyšší nežli hrubá mzda, zrovna dneska 
jsem 
si četl výplatní pásku, tak mám dojem, že si ty čísla cucaj z palce"






Tak dle tohoto článku [1] žije Rada Značení jen a pouze z dotací a finančně 
je zcela nezávislá na KČT. Soudím z věty: RZ nevyslala svého zástupce na 
konferenci EWV ve Švédsku.

 




[1] http://www.kct.cz/cms/dotace-na-udrzbu-znaceni-turistickych-tras-kct-v-
roce-2016




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Re: [Talk-us] HOV lane tagging

[Jack Burke]

I also thought that it would contradict the other tags.  But, the wiki page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated seems to pretty
much say we're both wrong on that score:

"The value *designated* is not meant to imply that OpenStreetMap access
=* permissions have been
automatically 'designated' *only* to that transport mode! If an element is
meant *only* to be used by specific designated transport methods
(overriding whatever defaults may exist for that way), use access
=no
 in addition of the *
=designated value."

I say "seems to," which is why I wanted to ask for clarification.  With
respect to the HOV lanes, it matters greatly, because there are certain
interstate exits that are HOV-only which a router shouldn't choose those to
get somewhere if you're not carrying multiple passengers in your car (which
is pretty much the default in the U.S.).

--jack


On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Elliott Plack 
wrote:

> Jack,
>
> Good question. I am curious about the answer as well, specifically
> regarding bicycle lanes, which can be added using this method.
>
> Setting a right side bike lane to ...yes|designated doesn't preclude other
> vehicles from accessing the right lane, as you said.
>
> I thought about adding |no for regular access, but wouldn't that general
> access contradict the other tags?
>
> The Mapbox data team has been doing lots of turn lane tagging around the
> US [1], so perhaps a member of the team there can provide insight on this.
>
> Elliott
>
> [1] = https://www.mapbox.com/blog/la-turn-lanes-map/
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 6:01 PM Jack Burke  wrote:
>
>> Something about some HOV access tags I've seen have been bothering me.
>>
>> Some of the interstates through Atlanta have designated HOV-only lanes.
>> In looking at the attributes on them, someone has added
>> hov:lanes=designated|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.} to them.
>>
>> However, after reviewing the wiki for the "designated" tag, it doesn't
>> appear to _exclude_ other modes of transport--just using the
>> hov:lanes=designated tag on the leftmost lane still implies that non-HOV
>> transportation is allowed.  For example, motorcycles are allowed, but
>> single-passenger cars are not, but the current tagging doesn't appear to
>> prohibit single-passenger cars, if I'm reading the wiki right.
>>
>> Reading up on the access tag leads me to think that it would be better to
>> include access:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.} to preclude non-HOV
>> traffic, as well as add motorcycle:lanes=yes|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.}
>>
>>
>> For example, the section of northbound I-75/I-85 under this marker
>>
>> http://osm.org/go/ZQqq80Lkl-?layers=N=
>>
>>
>> currently has the tag
>>
>> hov:lanes=designated|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes
>>
>> Am I correct in thinking that it would be right to add these tags, too:
>>
>> access:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes
>> motorcycle:lanes=yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes
>>
>> Thanks for any feedback!
>>
>> --jack
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Re: [Talk-us] .... finding areas that are underserved

[Elliott Plack]

Markus, take a look at the TIGER Battlegrid! It highlights areas where
there have not been a lot of edits made to the original street data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_Battlegrid

Another fun tool for finding things to fix is Improve OSM.

http://improveosm.org/#background=Bing=2.00/0.0/0.0

Both of tools highlight areas of the highest priority, so you're focusing
your energy where it matters most.

Best,

Elliott

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:06 AM Mark Wagner  wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:22:06 -0500
> Russ Nelson  wrote:
>
> > Markus Fischer writes:
> >  > I am new to this and the area where I live is very well mapped
> >  > (probably due to high density of tech workers). Where do I go to
> >  > start mapping areas that are less well mapped (me aimlessly poking
> >  > at this does not sound like a good approach)?
> >
> > Oh, and you can always do some work in Pennsylvania. Here, let's pick
> > a place at random, Thompson,
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/41.8666/-75.5154
> >
> > Look at Willow Street against Bing aerial imagery. It's badly aligned.
> > Look at Main Street. Also badly aligned.
> > Look at the cemetery west of Main. It's not on the map.
> > Jefferson, East Jackson, Water, all badly aligned.
> > Four bodies of water north of the village, all missing.
> > A little creek coming in from the west and going into a mill pond.
> >
> > There's LOTS to do, and you don't need to have ever gone to the
> > place. You can just see it from the air. You can even see where an
> > intersection has traffic lights -- the aerials are that good.
>
> I wouldn't recommend pure armchair mapping as a starting point for
> someone just getting in to OSM.  There are too many "gotchas": to take
> your traffic light example, there are patterns of street lights that
> look similar to traffic lights if you're just judging from the shadows
> they cast.  Or looking at Thompson, you missed the fact that Starrucca
> Creek proceeds to exit the millpond, flow west through Thompson, and
> loop around to the north and east, to join with the Susquehanna River
> about ten miles away.  Or to take an example in my area, most of the
> small bodies of water are seasonal and turn into patches of
> dried mud in the late summer, something you'd never figure out from
> looking at Bing.
>
> I'd recommend starting by simply verifying things in your immediate
> area.  It will give you a feel for how things on the ground match up to
> what you see from the air, and you'll probably find some businesses or
> roads that need updating.
>
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[Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2017 - CfP

[Peter Barth]

Hallo zusammen,

wie ihr vielleicht schon mitbekommen habt, haben wir doch noch einen
Austragungsort für die FOSSGIS-Konferenz 2017 gefunden! Und zwar freue
ich mich besonders, dass es die Dreiflüssestadt Passau, die zugleich
mein langjähriger Wohnort ist, geworden ist.

Veranstaltet wird die Konferenz vom FOSSGIS e.V. (http://fossgis.de) und
der OpenStreetMap-Community mit Unterstützung der Universität Passau
(http://www.uni-passau.de).

Im Jahr 2017 findet die FOSSGIS vom 22. bis 25. März an der Universität
Passau statt. Anläßlich des Erfolges im letzen Jahr wird es übrigens
auch dieses Jahr einen dedizierten OSM-Tag geben: Den OSM-Samstag am 25.
März, für alle, die es unter der Woche noch nicht zur Konferenz schaffen
oder noch mehr OSM wollen. Themen und Vorträge für diesen Tag werden wir
gesondert über das Wiki planen, mehr dazu später. Für alle anderen
Vorträge läuft der Call for Papers bis zum 06. Januar 2017!

Wir suchen: Deine Idee, Dein Projekt, Deinen Erfahrungsbericht, Dein
Thema. Genauer gesagt, suchen wir Vorträge für Einsteiger und
Fortgeschrittene, die spannende Themen behandeln und anregende
Diskussionen auslösen. Vorträge zum Thema freie Geodaten, zum Beispiel
OpenStreetMap oder Open Data sind ebenso möglich wie Beiträge zu
Lösungen mit freier Software aus dem Bereich WebGIS, Desktop GIS,
Geodatenbanken, Location-Based Services, etc.

Vorgesehen sind drei verschiedene Vortragsformate:

Es gibt 20-minütige *Vorträge*, in denen man über sein Projekt berichten
kann, ein Taggingschema oder Mappingpraktiken vorstellen kann oder auch
einfach nur über die eigene Aktivität als Mapper und z.B. die
verwendeten Werkzeuge sprechen kann. Die Themen bestimmt Ihr und wir
freuen uns über eine große Vielfalt an Themen, da genau diese Vielfalt
auch den Reiz unserer Konferenz ausmacht.

Für eher kleinere Themen oder wenn ihr euch keinen vollen Vortrag
zutraut gibt es auch die sogenannten *Lightning Talks*, das sind kurze
Vorträge von maximal 5 Minuten.

Und wenn ihr anderen gerne etwas beibringt und euch in einem Thema
besonders gut auskennt, gibt es noch die *Workshops*. Sie sollen in 90
Minuten den Teilnemern einen Mix aus Theorie und Praxis vermitteln. Bei
einer Workshop-Einreichung ist es wichtig, darauf zu achten, dass
erreichbare Lernziele und notwendige Vorkenntnisse der Teilnehmer
beschrieben sind. Vor allem aber stellen Workshops auch eine wichtige
Einnahmequelle für den FOSSGIS e.V. dar, da die Teilnahme
kostenpflichtig ist. Wenn ihr euch mit einem angedachten Workshop also
nicht sicher seid, kontaktiert uns, wir helfen gern.

Bitte reicht euren Abstract ab sofort bis zum 06. Januar 2017 ein. Eine
Fristverlängerung ist wegen der ohnehin straffen Zeitplanung *nicht*
vorgesehen.

Weitere Einreichungsdetails findet ihr auf unserer Konferenzseite
(https://www.fossgis-konferenz.de/2017/callforpapers/) und wenn ihr
weitere Fragen habt könnt ihr uns gern per E-Mail unter
konferenz-o...@fossgis.de kontaktieren oder direkt hier nachfragen.

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Re: [Talk-us] HOV lane tagging

[Elliott Plack]

Jack,

Good question. I am curious about the answer as well, specifically
regarding bicycle lanes, which can be added using this method.

Setting a right side bike lane to ...yes|designated doesn't preclude other
vehicles from accessing the right lane, as you said.

I thought about adding |no for regular access, but wouldn't that general
access contradict the other tags?

The Mapbox data team has been doing lots of turn lane tagging around the US
[1], so perhaps a member of the team there can provide insight on this.

Elliott

[1] = https://www.mapbox.com/blog/la-turn-lanes-map/

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 6:01 PM Jack Burke  wrote:

> Something about some HOV access tags I've seen have been bothering me.
>
> Some of the interstates through Atlanta have designated HOV-only lanes.
> In looking at the attributes on them, someone has added
> hov:lanes=designated|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.} to them.
>
> However, after reviewing the wiki for the "designated" tag, it doesn't
> appear to _exclude_ other modes of transport--just using the
> hov:lanes=designated tag on the leftmost lane still implies that non-HOV
> transportation is allowed.  For example, motorcycles are allowed, but
> single-passenger cars are not, but the current tagging doesn't appear to
> prohibit single-passenger cars, if I'm reading the wiki right.
>
> Reading up on the access tag leads me to think that it would be better to
> include access:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.} to preclude non-HOV traffic,
> as well as add motorcycle:lanes=yes|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.}
>
>
> For example, the section of northbound I-75/I-85 under this marker
>
> http://osm.org/go/ZQqq80Lkl-?layers=N=
>
>
> currently has the tag
>
> hov:lanes=designated|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes
>
> Am I correct in thinking that it would be right to add these tags, too:
>
> access:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes
> motorcycle:lanes=yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes
>
> Thanks for any feedback!
>
> --jack
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[Talk-us] HOV lane tagging

[Jack Burke]

Something about some HOV access tags I've seen have been bothering me.

Some of the interstates through Atlanta have designated HOV-only lanes.  In
looking at the attributes on them, someone has added
hov:lanes=designated|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.} to them.

However, after reviewing the wiki for the "designated" tag, it doesn't
appear to _exclude_ other modes of transport--just using the
hov:lanes=designated tag on the leftmost lane still implies that non-HOV
transportation is allowed.  For example, motorcycles are allowed, but
single-passenger cars are not, but the current tagging doesn't appear to
prohibit single-passenger cars, if I'm reading the wiki right.

Reading up on the access tag leads me to think that it would be better to
include access:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.} to preclude non-HOV traffic,
as well as add motorcycle:lanes=yes|yes|yes|yes|yes {etc.}


For example, the section of northbound I-75/I-85 under this marker

http://osm.org/go/ZQqq80Lkl-?layers=N=


currently has the tag

hov:lanes=designated|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes

Am I correct in thinking that it would be right to add these tags, too:

access:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes
motorcycle:lanes=yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes

Thanks for any feedback!

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Re: [Talk-it] scelta surface

[girarsi_liste]

Il 15/11/2016 23:30, demon.box ha scritto:
> ciao, scusate che surface è questo?
> 
>  
> 
> cobblestone:flattened ?
> 
> e se i blocchi di pietra sono come i sanpietrini ma più grandi, una specie
> di mattonelle di pietra?
> grazie
> 

Quelle sono piastre di porfido.

Forse surface=paving_stones, material=porphyry.


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[Talk-it] scelta surface

[demon.box]

ciao, scusate che surface è questo?

 

cobblestone:flattened ?

e se i blocchi di pietra sono come i sanpietrini ma più grandi, una specie
di mattonelle di pietra?
grazie

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Re: [OSM-talk] Taglists support for rendering examples

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 14 November 2016 at 02:22, Matthijs Melissen
 wrote:
> I have now added support to taginfo for showing an example rendering in
> the taglists on the wiki.

I have included some TagList templates now on the main Map Features
page, as well on the individual pages.

See for example:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:man_made
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:craft

The templates that have been converted so far are craft, man_made,
natural, office, geological, and emergency. Help is still appreciated
with converting the other templates.

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[OSM-talk-fr] refonte openstreetmap.fr / Need help

[Florian LAINEZ]

Hello,
Le site openstreetmap.fr ne vous a-t-il jamais énervé : vieux, moche et pas
très utile ?
Changeons cela ensemble ! Je cherche des volontaires pour passer un peu de
temps pour refaire le site, est-ce que cela tente du Monde ?
*ça se passe ici : https://annuel.framapad.org/p/openstreetmap.fr
*
C'est une proposition que moi-même, Jean-Louis et Donat nous vous
soumettons à discussion, de ce que pourrai être notre future vitrine.

On a plusieurs phases à définir et à mettre en œuvre, vous pouvez aider
selon vos compétences :
1. Définir le besoin/structure du site : besoin de n'importe qui de motivé
2. Collecter le contenu multimédia : photos, illustrations ... : besoin de
n'importe qui de motivé
3. écrire le contenu : besoin de personnes à l'aise à l'écrit / aimant
écrire
4. Créer le design : sauf si quelqu'un d'entre vous est designer, on
envisage de sous-traiter cette partie sur laquelle on manque de compétence
5. Intégrer le design et développer le site en lui-même : besoin de dev web
(la techo n'est pas encore choisie, nous pouvons en discuter ...)
6. Migrer le contenu du vieux site, gérer la redirection des URLs : besoin
de dev web
7. Continuer l'animation / création de contenu une fois le site lancé :
besoin de personnes à l'aise à l'écrit / aimant écrire motivées dans le
temps

La 7éme étape est importante, en effet, aujourd'hui, si notre site n'est
pas très utile, c'est aussi car nous manquons de volontaires pour le mettre
à jour de manière régulière.

Je veux bien porter le projet mais c'est un gros morceau, qui m'aide ?

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Re: [Talk-cz] Rozhovor s předsedou Rady značení KČT

[Jan Macura]

Chtělo by to mít v KČT insidera. Ideálně značkaře ;-)

H.

Dne 15. listopadu 2016 22:33 Karel Volný  napsal(a):

> zdar,
>
> > > Chmm, takze pokud vyrazim vybaven sablonou, tak znacka = 3x maznout
> > > stetcem = tak ... minuta? Pri realnych ... max 15 per km to je 15 minut
> > > + dalsich 15 minut chuze. 900 stovek za hodinu ... kdo to ma.
> >
> > Tak jednoduche to neni. Maznout stetcem je jenom u preznaceni. U noveho
> > znaceni se jeste musi cistit povrch. Trasa se musi projit minimalne
> > jednou pred znacenim. Spise vicekrat. Navic je kolem toho dost
> > papirovani. Tu novou trasu u nas jsme zarizovali pul roku.
>
> no, moment, pokud píšeš "jsme zařizovali", tak zase nedává smysl psát
> "navíc
> dost papírování" jako zastání, že "tak jednoduché to (pro KČT) není"
>
> rozumím, že nejde jen o "3x máznout štětcem", a i když se kolikrát divím,
> jak
> se něco vůbec může uživit, v tomhle případě jsem na opačné straně, kdy mi
> není
> jasné, na co by se ty peníze měly spotřebovat, když značkáři placení
> nejsou (a
> popravdě, v tom konkrétním příkladu by mi to nebylo jasné, ani kdyby tou
> průměrnou mzdou(*) placeni byli)
>
> a k tomu pořád zůstává ta otázka s Trasou - tedy předpokládejme, že
> generuje
> zisky, když to ryze komerční subjekty zvládnou při podobnejch cenách
>
> pokud inkasujou ~15 M z našich daní (na obnovu, takže výše uvedený příklad
> značení nové trasy na žádost obce v tom asi ani není), a přitom se tvářej,
> jak
> to dělaj z čirýho nadšení dobrovolnicky, voní mi to dosti nevábně ...
>
> K.
>
> (*) mimochodem, zajímalo by mě, jak panáčci došli k 75000 h za 10,5 M,
> protože
> mzdové náklady na zaměstnance jsou vyšší nežli hrubá mzda, zrovna dneska
> jsem
> si četl výplatní pásku, tak mám dojem, že si ty čísla cucaj z palce
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Re: [Talk-cz] Rozhovor s předsedou Rady značení KČT

[Karel Volný]

zdar,

> > Chmm, takze pokud vyrazim vybaven sablonou, tak znacka = 3x maznout
> > stetcem = tak ... minuta? Pri realnych ... max 15 per km to je 15 minut
> > + dalsich 15 minut chuze. 900 stovek za hodinu ... kdo to ma.
> 
> Tak jednoduche to neni. Maznout stetcem je jenom u preznaceni. U noveho
> znaceni se jeste musi cistit povrch. Trasa se musi projit minimalne
> jednou pred znacenim. Spise vicekrat. Navic je kolem toho dost
> papirovani. Tu novou trasu u nas jsme zarizovali pul roku.

no, moment, pokud píšeš "jsme zařizovali", tak zase nedává smysl psát "navíc 
dost papírování" jako zastání, že "tak jednoduché to (pro KČT) není"

rozumím, že nejde jen o "3x máznout štětcem", a i když se kolikrát divím, jak 
se něco vůbec může uživit, v tomhle případě jsem na opačné straně, kdy mi není 
jasné, na co by se ty peníze měly spotřebovat, když značkáři placení nejsou (a 
popravdě, v tom konkrétním příkladu by mi to nebylo jasné, ani kdyby tou 
průměrnou mzdou(*) placeni byli)

a k tomu pořád zůstává ta otázka s Trasou - tedy předpokládejme, že generuje 
zisky, když to ryze komerční subjekty zvládnou při podobnejch cenách

pokud inkasujou ~15 M z našich daní (na obnovu, takže výše uvedený příklad 
značení nové trasy na žádost obce v tom asi ani není), a přitom se tvářej, jak 
to dělaj z čirýho nadšení dobrovolnicky, voní mi to dosti nevábně ...

K.

(*) mimochodem, zajímalo by mě, jak panáčci došli k 75000 h za 10,5 M, protože 
mzdové náklady na zaměstnance jsou vyšší nežli hrubá mzda, zrovna dneska jsem 
si četl výplatní pásku, tak mám dojem, že si ty čísla cucaj z palce

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Prochaine ouverture de la base SIRENE...

[Christian Quest]

Voilà un rapide exemple de croisement OSM/SIRENE qui montre dans osmose les
pharmacies présentes dans SIRENE, mais absente dans OSM.

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170=99=10=47.3518=0.711

Bien sûr, ce n'est pas fiable à 100%:
- la position déterminée par le géocodage de l'adresse présente dans SIRENE
peut être incorrecte
- l'adresse dans SIRENE peut être différente du réel lieu d'activité (même
si en principe c'est pas la cas)
- les données SIRENE datent du mois de juin, ça a pu changer sur le terrain
entre temps, mais à partir de janvier on aura des données au jour le jour...

J'ai fait ça ce matin pendant le hackathon où je n'ai pas pu rester
(rencontre géo des SDIS l'après-midi à Dunkerque avec Gaël).
C'est à affiner et à généraliser à d'autres type de POI. Un autre croisemet
à faire est l'inverse... un POI présent dans OSM, mais absent de SIRENE...


Le 10 novembre 2016 à 19:41, Christian Quest  a
écrit :

> Les mises à jour de la base seront... quotidiennes !
>
> Par contre, la longueur du tuyau est courte pour les créations, mais bien
> plus longue pour les suppressions.
>
> Quand un établissement apparaît dans la base, il peut ne démarrer son
> activité qu'un peu plus tard, mais quand il cesse d'activité, ça peut
> prendre pas mal de temps avant que ça sorte de la base SIRENE.
>
> C'est donc une source à confirmer sur le terrain, d'où l'idée d'une appli
> thématique.
>
>
> Le 10 novembre 2016 à 19:35, Tyndare  a écrit :
>
>>
>> Super nouvelle cette ouverture !
>>
>> J'ai la sensation que les commerces sont une des données d'OSM qui se
>> périment le plus vite, la durée avant un déménagement, un changement de nom
>> et de propriétaire ou malheureusement une fermeture est assez courte en
>> moyenne.
>>
>> Je ne sais pas comment est structurée la base, mais si certains se
>> lancent dans un outil, je pense qu'il serait très utile de prévoir de
>> détecter et mettre en valeur les changements au cours du temps, notamment
>> les enregistrements qui disparaissent de la base...
>>
>> Tyndare.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/2016 18:25, Christian Quest wrote:
>>
>>> La base SIRENE de l'INSEE sera disponible en opendata début janvier
>>> prochain.
>>>
>>> Cette base contient plus de 10 millions d'enregistrements concernant les
>>> "personnes morales": sociétés, entreprises, associations, etc.
>>>
>>> Un hackathon aura lieu mardi prochain (15/11) à Paris un peu en avant
>>> première de l'ouverture du jeu de données.
>>>
>>> Ce sera une source très intéressante pour compléter et mettre à jour OSM
>>> sur les commerces et artisans. Je n'ai pas encore regardé ce que ça
>>> donnait, je suis en train de terminer son géocodage (avec BAN et BANO).
>>>
>>> Il y a de quoi alimenter soit osmose, soit un outil dédié, le plus
>>> simple possible, si possible mobile pour faire de la validation sur le
>>> terrain... un peu comme ce dont parle Florian dans son billet de blog du
>>> jour: http://florian.lainez.fr/la-fin-de-google-map-maker-et-le-fu
>>> tur-des-outils-carto/
>>>
>>> A suivre !
>>>
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[Talk-it-trentino] Cercasi aiuto per evento OSM

[Luca Delucchi]

Ciao a tutti,

Il 17 dicembre pomeriggio ci sarà un evento OSM con l'associazione
CoderDolomiti a Lavis [0], se qualcuno ha tempo e voglia di venire a
dare una mano potrebbe essercene di bisogno :-)

Magari è anche la scusa di portare il figlio/a e iniziarlo/a alla mappatura ;-)


[0] 
https://www.eventbrite.it/e/biglietti-makingames-zambana-sab-17-dic-esplora-e-disegna-mappe-online-29384675355

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Re: [Talk-cz] Rozhovor s předsedou Rady značení KČT

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 15.11.2016 v 17:13 jzvc napsal(a):
> Chmm, takze pokud vyrazim vybaven sablonou, tak znacka = 3x maznout
> stetcem = tak ... minuta? Pri realnych ... max 15 per km to je 15 minut
> + dalsich 15 minut chuze. 900 stovek za hodinu ... kdo to ma.

Tak jednoduche to neni. Maznout stetcem je jenom u preznaceni. U noveho
znaceni se jeste musi cistit povrch. Trasa se musi projit minimalne
jednou pred znacenim. Spise vicekrat. Navic je kolem toho dost
papirovani. Tu novou trasu u nas jsme zarizovali pul roku.

Mirek


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Re: [Talk-cz] Rozhovor s předsedou Rady značení KČT

[Marián Kyral]

Dne 15.11.2016 v 17:13 jzvc napsal(a):
> Dne 15.11.2016 v 7:31 Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):
>> Dne 14.11.2016 v 19:43 jzvc napsal(a):
>>> tak to vychazi 360Kc/km. Jako nevim ale i kdyby kazdych 10m byla
>>> znacka,
>>
>> Tak tuto informaci mam shodou okolnosti primo od zdroje. Protoze nase
>> obec platila vyznaceni nove trasy co pres nas vede (na nasi zadost):
>>
>> Vyznačkování značky 450 Kč/km   
>> Přeznačkování značky na jinou barvu 300 Kč/km   
>> Vybavení směrovkami včetně instalačního materiálů, 350 Kč/směrovka
>>
>
> Chmm, takze pokud vyrazim vybaven sablonou, tak znacka = 3x maznout
> stetcem = tak ... minuta? Pri realnych ... max 15 per km to je 15
> minut + dalsich 15 minut chuze. 900 stovek za hodinu ... kdo to ma.
>
> Pokud by na kazdem km byly prumerne 3 smerovky (a to zcela jiste
> zdaleka nejsou) ... tak je to neco pres 8M ...
>
> Hezka mala domu za +-10M.

Akorát, že značkaři to dělají zdarma, dostanou pouze materiál a
proplacené cestovné. A není to jen tak třikrát máznout. V létě jsme
značkaře potkali a dávali si na tom hodně záležet. A taky je to o
kontrole, zda je vše OK, zda někde značka nechybí.

Nicméně pořád to nevysvětluje, kde končí peníze z vydávání a prodeje
map. Že by na tom neměli žádný zisk? Do značení to evidentně neinvestují.

Marián


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[OSM-talk] Pic4Carto: efficient pictures viewer for micro-mapping

[PanierAvide]

Hi everyone,

There are more and more street-view pictures which are under open 
license (Mapillary, Wikimedia Commons, Flickr, and OpenStreetView which 
is changing its name). These pictures are a gold mine containing a lot 
of interesting informations for OpenStreetMap, however they are not 
fully used yet. Maybe one explanation of this is that every source has 
its own web portal, not always simple to use or fast to load.


In order to get the best of all pictures, I created a tool to help 
mappers named Pic4Carto. It allows to see all recent pictures from 
Mapillary, Flickr and Wikimedia Commons, on a given area, as a slideshow 
(pictures showing one by one automatically). The goal is to watch fast 
all the data on the area, to discover features we want to add in 
OpenStreetMap (for example benches, fire hydrants, billboards, maxspeed 
signs...). The tool is available here :


http://projets.pavie.info/pic4carto/

It's an open-source software (under AGPL license), source code is 
available on Framagit :


https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/Pic4Carto

Don't hesitate to make any suggests, report bugs of share any idea for 
improvements ;-)


Cordially.

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Re: [OSM-ja] 11/19（土）松尾大社と地蔵院でマッピングパーティを開きます

[K.Sakanoshita]

坂ノ下です。

ついに今週末の開催となりました。

嵐山で紅葉を楽しみながらマッピングパーティを行います。
初心者向けのイベントですので、お気軽にご参加下さいね。

【秋の嵐山】松尾大社、地蔵院マッピングパーティ
http://countries-romantic.connpass.com/event/42300/

On 2016年11月02日 01:07, K.Sakanoshita wrote:

坂ノ下です。

OpenStreetMapのオープンデータを作成するマッピングパーティを
京都は嵐山にある「松尾大社」と「地蔵院」を対象に行います。

地蔵院は紅葉が美しく、松尾大社は山・川・滝とダイナミックな
神社でお酒作りが盛んだったため、お酒の資料館もあるそうです。

初心者向けの内容ですので、地図作りに興味がある方はお気軽に
ご参加頂ければ幸いです。（測量などのスキルも不要です）

【秋の嵐山】松尾大社、地蔵院マッピングパーティ
http://countries-romantic.connpass.com/event/42300/

それでは。



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Re: [Talk-cz] Rozhovor s předsedou Rady značení KČT

[jzvc]

Dne 15.11.2016 v 7:31 Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):

Dne 14.11.2016 v 19:43 jzvc napsal(a):

tak to vychazi 360Kc/km. Jako nevim ale i kdyby kazdych 10m byla znacka,


Tak tuto informaci mam shodou okolnosti primo od zdroje. Protoze nase
obec platila vyznaceni nove trasy co pres nas vede (na nasi zadost):

Vyznačkování značky 450 Kč/km   
Přeznačkování značky na jinou barvu 300 Kč/km   
Vybavení směrovkami včetně instalačního materiálů, 350 Kč/směrovka



Chmm, takze pokud vyrazim vybaven sablonou, tak znacka = 3x maznout 
stetcem = tak ... minuta? Pri realnych ... max 15 per km to je 15 minut 
+ dalsich 15 minut chuze. 900 stovek za hodinu ... kdo to ma.


Pokud by na kazdem km byly prumerne 3 smerovky (a to zcela jiste zdaleka 
nejsou) ... tak je to neco pres 8M ...


Hezka mala domu za +-10M.



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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Is mise Seán

[Rory McCann]

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Hello Seán!

Welcome to OSM!

There are many ways to get involved. It all depends on your interest.
Just keep poking around with what interests you. Message the mailing
list, or the IRC channel ( #osm-ie on OFTC ), Facebook group, Twitter
account, etc.  We're all happy to help. We all started out somewhere.

On 13/11/16 22:59, Seán Lynch wrote:
> - What is the general standard of quality of addresses in Irish 
> cities? Are many areas of city centers blanked out or lacking in 
> quality? What areas need and are currently receiving attention?

I'm not sure. There is a 'address' tool on the OSM Inspector (
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresses ) which can show you
some debugging things for addresses.

One of the easiest ways to find missing areas, is to look at the OSM
map. House number/names are displayed from zoom 17 onwards, so just
scroll around and look for no numbers/names? If you have a lot of
addresses, you could try geocoding them and seeing where there are no
results.

> - Secondly, has the community agreed upon a standardized address 
> format for Ireland? Is 'county' = 'Cork' or 'Co. Cork' ? ... etc. 
> There seems to be a lot of common errors which annoying to have to 
> debug and correct. Is there something being done about this?

Addressing in OSM is kinda in two parts. (a) How to store the address
data in OSM, and (b) how software (geocoders) should display it. For
(a) we just add the housenumber/name to the point/building, and then
the street name. Counties and the like are stored as administrative
boundaries and usually are in as "County Cork".

For (b), it's much harder. Writing software which can display
addresses in a sensible way for the whole world is hard. In theory
it's up to the geocoder to decide what and how to display the address,
which is where "Cork" vs "Co. Cork" vs "County Cork" would come into play.

What sort of errors are you seeing? I haven't done much geocoding with
OSM.

> - Thirdly, is anyone providing data at the sub-national level for 
> Ireland?

Not that I'm aware of. There is the Mapzen Metro Extracts service (
https://mapzen.com/data/metro-extracts/ ) which provides OSM data for
Dublin and Belfast regions. I think you can make your own extracts.

However the data for Ireland is not so large. In my experience you can
import it into PostgreSQL in about 10 minutes on a desktop machine,
and then cut out the area you want and produce a shapefile of just
that area.

Likewise osmosis can be used to process a PBF file and cut out just a
small area if you want.

Though someone did jokily suggest to me to provide OSM PBF extracts at
a townland level. 

> I only discovered http://planet.openstreetmap.ie/ and this is a 
> great resource- thanks to whoever got this together. May I suggest 
> providing some trial shp data and an example of where data is 
> lacking or could be improved?

I provide some shapefiles on townlands.ie for some administrative
boundaries: https://www.townlands.ie/page/download/ I don't think
that's quite what you're looking for.

> - Finally, I have a more technical question- I am trying to devise 
> a strategy to capture the results from reverse geocoded requests 
> and correctly store them in their respective db columns. The count 
> of the address array and the keys (php) are dynamic. Is there a
> set of keys for addresses that someone can recommend? Eg. there is 
> commonly 1 value either for "suburb" or sometimes the key is 
> "locality" and other times it is "city_district" and there are 
> probably more keys I need too. Can someone recommend a strategy? 
> Alternatively I am considering counting the array and hard coding 
> the values in by index.. thoughts??

I'm not really sure. It depends on your geocoder. Some will always
return a specific set of keys for each (succesful) geocode. It can
also depend on what you want to do with the data etc.

Hope that helps. 

R

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Re: [Talk-de] Renderfehler Chiemsee - Alz

[hike39]

Hallo Sven

> 
> Eventuell könt ihr auch mal schaun ob bei http://tile.iosb.fraunhofer.de das
> Rendering stimmt.
> 

Da passt's.

Gruß
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[OSM-talk] Central Place to Reach Wiki Administrators?

[Michael Reichert]

Hi,

is there any method to reach all administrators of the OSM Wiki [1] in
one go, e.g. to ask them to block a user? Currently, I have to select
one of them and ask him at his personal discussion page. But if he has
more important things to do, it may take some time until he reacts.
Therefore, it is a game of change to reach them.

The Data Working Group offers a central way to reach its members, it's
d...@osmfoundation.org

A central discussion page where to place messages to the administrators
would help.

Best regards

Michael

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: confirm 10ff24cf8895bd60980b14b1a6380c7cd66ce656

[Jocelyn Jaubert]

Bonjour,

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 10:24:17PM +0100, Benoit Fournier wrote:
> Pour info :
> 
> Une discussion est en cours sur la liste 'tech', avec recherche d'une 
> solution.
> 
> Alors à suivre, et merci aux administrateurs techniques.

Cette discussion en cours ne concerne que les listes hébergées sur
listes.openstreetmap.fr, pas les listes sur openstreemap.org.

Mais c'est vrai que si la discussion aboutit, alors on pourra suggérer aux
admins d'osm.org de faire le même genre de modification.

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Re: [talk-au] Is it ok to add data from the yellow pages to OSM?

[Rory McCann]

On 12/11/16 05:09, Ian Sergeant wrote:
> This area of the law is unsettled in Australia, and OSM is about
> gathering open data, not being a legal test case on what we are
> allowed to copy.
> 
> Best practice is to ask the owner if we can use the information under
> the OSM terms and conditions.

This is an important point. OSM is trying to be "very clean" when it
comes to copyright.

After all, if you were to use it, and then a court were to find that
that was copyright infringement, then suddely OSM becomes unusable for
everyone. Anyone who uses OSM data would be liable to be sued. etc.

"When in doubt, leave it out" unfortunatly.

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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Rory McCann]

On 15/11/16 10:11, Simon Poole wrote:
> In some aspects wikipedia is completely different than OSM, for example
> WP has the rule of "no original research", we on the other hand want
> exactly that (via survey).

Exactly. There's a very good wiki page for Wikipedians explaining some
of the differences:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users






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[talk-ph] WebSAFE app in Project NOAH is using buildings data in OSM for generation of risk analysis data

[Ervin Malicdem]

Since March of this year, Project NOAH has been setting up various OSM
workshops in the country to help communities,  state universities and
colleges, and local governments map in OpenStreetMap. This is  so we can
provide a more accurate risk analysis data from the WebSAFE app for
improved disaster risk reduction management and policy-making.

See video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kaf4ZoCE3o


To know about the active HOT mapping tasks and help map your community,  go
to
http://blog.noah.dost.gov.ph/2016/04/08/map-your-community-in-osm-with-project-noah/


Ervin Malicdem

Mapping advocate - Schadow1 Expeditions
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Chief SRS - DOST-Project NOAH
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Re: [Talk-cz] Nekonzistence turistického značení

[Jan Dudík]

já minulý měsíc šel právě po trase Padrťáky - Míšov - Marásek a za Míšovem
najednou neseděla barva s rozcestníkem; cíle škrtnuté už ale nebyly

JAnD


Dne 15. listopadu 2016 7:53 Libor Skala  napsal(a):

> Zdravím,
>
> v létě jsem fotil tenhle rozcestník, bohužel jsem se vracel zpátky na
> Hořehledy a nemohl ověřit reálné přeznačení barvy. Chystám se při nějaké
> příležitosti projít zbytek na Marásek. Kdyby prošel trasu někdo dříve,
> vůbec se tomu nebráním.
>
> S pozdravem
>
> Libor Skala
>
> Dne 14.11.2016 v 22:01 Jan Dudík napsal(a):
>
> Narazil jsem na zajímavý problém:
> Míšov, V mapě krerslená zelená značka, v terénu zelená značka, ale na
> rozcestníku červená značka. Na osmap krátký souběh zelené a červené, zbytek
> zelený
> http://map.openstreetmap.cz/img/guidepost/IMG_20160831_124517.jpg
>
>
>
> Druhý problém v téže lokalitě (kopec Praha) - na rozcestníku značen cíl,
> ke kterému značka zatím nevede
> http://map.openstreetmap.cz/img/guidepost/P7231585.JPG
> cíl Tři trubky zatím není značen, u dalšího rozcestníku je dočasně
> ukončená žlutá.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-de] Bastler/Admins gesucht für eine OSM-Sandbox

[lars lingner]

Hallo,

bisher gab es noch kein Feedback, deswegen versuche ich es mal :)

Für meine eigenen Zwecke hantiere ich sehr viel mit OSM-Daten. Ob Aufbau
und Weiterführung von OSM-DBs, Aufbereitung von OSM-Daten, Erzeugung
verschiedener Datenformate, Nutzung von Tools wie Taginfo, Overpass-API,
Einsatz verschiedener Mapserver, Geocoding/Nominatim, Administration
(Ansible)... es ist ein weites Feld.

So eine OSM-Sandbox sehe ich auch als hilfreich. Wie genau die aussehen
soll weiß ich jetzt auch noch nicht. Wäre aber bereit mich mit anderen
auszutauschen. Dabei würde ich eine nachhaltige Vorgehensweise, d.h.
Dokumentation erzeugen, Beispielscripte, öffentliches Repository. Das
reine verfügbarmachen von z.B. Dockerimages wäre nicht mein Ziel, könnte
aber ein Nebenprodukt sein.


Am 09.11.2016 um 00:23 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
[...]
> 
> 1. Ein Konzept: Was wollen wir alles betreiben, wie soll das
> zusammenspielen, reicht eine Instanz oder brauchen wir mehrere, was für
> Daten sollen da standardmäßig drin sein - und daraus dann abgeleitet:
> Was für Server brauchen wir und wie viele?
> 
> 2. Leute, die das alles installieren
> 
> 3. Leute, die das alles instandhalten
[...]

Bei der Konzeption und Installation wäre ich bereit mich einzubringen.
Die Wartung passt nicht so richtig in meinen Arbeits-/Freizeitalltag,
das können andere besser.

Bin mir unsicher wie man hier anfängt. Vielleicht mit einer Liste der
Anforderungen so wie Frederik sie angefangen hat.

Vielleicht auch erstmal mit der Bildung eines Teams von Freiwilligen und
Interessierten :)


Viele Grüße

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: confirm 10ff24cf8895bd60980b14b1a6380c7cd66ce656

[Philippe Verdy]

Non, je reçois les mails de la liste via mon plus ancien compte Wanadoo,
qui est redirigé vers mon compte Gmail, et Gmail ne filtre aucun des
messages de cette liste. Il reconnait que le message a bien été envoyé à
Wanadoo, et identifie Wanadoo/Orange comme étant bien à l'origine des
messages forwardés.

En revanche il y a un abonné ici à LaPoste dont les messages à cette liste
sont systématiquement mis comme "Spam" par Gmail (pas par Wanadoo), car son
compte LaPoste n'est pas authentifié par son fournisseur SMTP.

L'ennui c'est que les systèmes anti-spam de différents fournisseurs de
boites à lettres sont différents: DKIM pour Google, DMARC pour Yahoo. Il y
en a d'autres liés à des enregistrements sur un DNS authentifié, ou
d'autres protocoles. Mais ce qui est clair est qu'il vaut mieux utiliser
pour ses envois d'email uniquement des SMTP de gros fournisseurs et éviter
les envois directs par son propre serveur SMTP si on n'est pa prêt à gérer
les protocoles et si on ne gère pas son propre domaine sécurisé et
authentifié auprès de divers autres fournisseurs.

Mais là le serveur des listes de diffusions OSM n'a pas négocié
correctement les options nécessaires sur son domaine pour que les autres
fournisseurs acceptent les envois.


Le 15 novembre 2016 à 12:45, Denis Bigorgne  a
écrit :

> Même message ... Ne serait-ce pas dû au filtre anti-spam de gmail (que
> j'utilise, comme vous autres). J'ai eu plusieurs fois des messages de la
> liste classés comme spam - même après les avoir déclaré non-spam. C'est
> peut-être le gestionnaire de la liste qui devrait contacter Google..
>
> Denis
>
> Le 14 novembre 2016 à 09:45, Francescu GAROBY  a
> écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>> Oui, j'ai lu le même message (les 26 oct. et 5 nov.). J'ai cru que
>> c'était parce que ma boite mail se mettait à spammer... Mais apparemment
>> non !
>>
>> Francescu
>>
>> Le 14 novembre 2016 à 09:09, Romain MEHUT  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Bonjour,
>>>
>>> Certains d'entre vous ont-ils reçu un message que celui ci-dessous ?
>>>
>>> Dans mon cas, c'est la 3ème fois en peu de temps. J'ai écrit à
>>> talk-fr-ow...@openstreetmap.org pour connaitre la raison de cet envoi
>>> mais je n'ai pas eu de réponse.
>>>
>>> Une idée ?
>>>
>>> Merci.
>>>
>>> Romain
>>>
>>> -- Message transféré --
>>> De : 
>>> Date : 12 novembre 2016 à 10:00
>>> Objet : confirm 10ff24cf8895bd60980b14b1a6380c7cd66ce656
>>> À : romain.me...@gmail.com
>>>
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>>> ou vous rendre à la page de confirmation à l'adresse :
>>>
>>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/confirm/talk-fr/10ff24cf889
>>> 5bd60980b14b1a6380c7cd66ce656
>>>
>>> (...)
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Re: [Talk-cz] sttimecoef?

[Marián Kyral]

A odpověď již dorazila:


Dobrý den,

zmíněný tag využíváme pro naši aplikaci. Vyznačujeme tak nařízené objízdné 
trasy při uzavírkách.

Oba vámi zmíněné příklady mít tag nemají (použití je jen pro cesty). Chyba 
se stala při zadávání, samozřejmě to dáme co nejrychleji do pořádku a 
pročistíme to. Děkujeme za upozornění.

S pozdravem
Kristýna Kohoutová - obchod 
www.solvertech.cz

Marián


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Marián Kyral 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 15. 11. 2016 11:10:11
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] sttimecoef?

"Nikdo nic, tak jsem autorce napsal:

-


Zdravím, 


na OSM fóru se objevil dotaz na tag sttimecoef=*: https://forum.
openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56342
(https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56342)




Některá použití jsou taky velmi zajímavá: 


1) adresní bod: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2402148090
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2402148090) 


2) hranice CHKO: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/41725
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/41725)




Dle všeho by jste o tom mohla něco vědět. A taky se zdá, že většina těchto 
tagů již není aktuální a měla by být smazána. Bylo by možné to pročistit?




Díky, 


Marián

-

Marián


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Od: Petr Vozdecký 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 9. 11. 2016 13:28:06
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] sttimecoef?

"sorry, venoval jsem tomu 30 sec, mel jsem za to, ze ten tag pribyl soucasne
s tim podezrelym tagem sttimecoef=80 @ (2015 Apr 9-2015 Apr 24 AND weight>
7.5)

je to tak, ze v prislusnem changesetu je napsano:
comment=Aktuální uzavírky cest
created_by=JOSM/1.5 (7588 cs)
source=dopravniinfo.cz

autorka Kristýna Kohoutová
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Krist%C3%BDna%20Kohoutov%C3%A1) má na 
kontě přes 6.000 editací, když se podíváme na ty poslední
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Krist%C3%BDna%20Kohoutov%C3%A1/history#map=8/49.815/15.474)
, tak to vypadá, že dělá jen tyto uzavírky, dnes jich zveřejnila několik, 
poslední je před chvílí uzavírka ulice Hanušova v Českých Velenicích
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/235994152). Ale tam už je tag "rozumný": 
vehicle:conditional=no @ (2016 Nov 9-2016 Dec 15)

Ať je to jakkoliv, tipuji, že jde o nějaký automatický proces a že nemá 
dotaženo odmazávání neaktuálních dat, čehož výsledek je zmíněný sttimecoef=*

Pokud ano, je na místě ji na to upozornit a požádat o dotažení - kdo si to 
vezme?

vop


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Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 9. 11. 2016 10:07:34
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] sttimecoef?

"On Wed 2016-11-09 07:31:09, Petr Vozdecký wrote:
> to vypada jako vysledek nejakeho pokusu o automaticke zavadeni aktualnich 
> uzavirek
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/121216004
> patral bych smerem k HELP SERVICE - REMOTE SENSING spol. s r.o. http://
www.
> bnhelp.cz(http://www.bnhelp.cz;gps)

Urcite? bnhelp je zdroj puvodniho importu, ma ho pulka republiky.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: confirm 10ff24cf8895bd60980b14b1a6380c7cd66ce656

[Denis Bigorgne]

Même message ... Ne serait-ce pas dû au filtre anti-spam de gmail (que
j'utilise, comme vous autres). J'ai eu plusieurs fois des messages de la
liste classés comme spam - même après les avoir déclaré non-spam. C'est
peut-être le gestionnaire de la liste qui devrait contacter Google..

Denis

Le 14 novembre 2016 à 09:45, Francescu GAROBY  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> Oui, j'ai lu le même message (les 26 oct. et 5 nov.). J'ai cru que c'était
> parce que ma boite mail se mettait à spammer... Mais apparemment non !
>
> Francescu
>
> Le 14 novembre 2016 à 09:09, Romain MEHUT  a
> écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Certains d'entre vous ont-ils reçu un message que celui ci-dessous ?
>>
>> Dans mon cas, c'est la 3ème fois en peu de temps. J'ai écrit à
>> talk-fr-ow...@openstreetmap.org pour connaitre la raison de cet envoi
>> mais je n'ai pas eu de réponse.
>>
>> Une idée ?
>>
>> Merci.
>>
>> Romain
>>
>> -- Message transféré --
>> De : 
>> Date : 12 novembre 2016 à 10:00
>> Objet : confirm 10ff24cf8895bd60980b14b1a6380c7cd66ce656
>> À : romain.me...@gmail.com
>>
>> Votre abonnement à la liste Talk-fr a été désactivé suite à due
>> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
>> 05-Nov-2016. Vous ne recevrez plus de messages en provenance de cette
>> liste tant que vous n'aurez pas ré-activé votre abonnement. Vous
>> recevrez encore 2 rappels comme celui-ci avant que votre abonnement ne
>> soit supprimé.
>>
>> Pour ré-activer votre abonnement, vous pouvez répondre simplement à
>> ce message (en laissant la ligne Subject: --Objet-- du message intact)
>> ou vous rendre à la page de confirmation à l'adresse :
>>
>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/confirm/talk-fr/10ff24cf889
>> 5bd60980b14b1a6380c7cd66ce656
>>
>> (...)
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Michael Andersen]

Mandag den 14. november 2016 14:11:50 skrev RB:
> I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
> adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
> localities (such as Javerne )
> aren't mostly covered by wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to
> all the 3 localities pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia
> moderators.
> 
> Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
> localities to orphan wikidata objects?

I'd say it can still be worth it  linking to wikidata items that doesn't link 
to any wikipedia articles and in fact I regularly do this (example: 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27827666).

For me as an OSM editor one advantage of this is that if anything unfortunate 
happens to the OSM counterpart (in my experience not entirely unlikely), 
chances are that the wikidata item will still be around to help make it easy 
to recreate it as well as remind you whenever you run a search for wikidata 
items over the area in JOSM.

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Re: [Talk-de] Responsiver Stil für OSM

[Sven Geggus]

Simon Poole  wrote:

> So viel ich weiss wehrt sich aber niemand gegen Verbesserungen an
> openstreetmap.de

Natürlich nicht. Die Webseite ist bei github. Man freut sich über Pull
requests: https://github.com/fossgis/openstreetmap.de

Gruss

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Re: [Talk-de] Renderfehler Chiemsee - Alz

[Sven Geggus]

mmd  wrote:

> Das Thema wurde schon ausgiebig im Forum diskutiert:
> 
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56204

Jo. Ich habe die Diskussion jetzt auch mal gelesen. Ich werde mich dazu im
Detail nicht weiter äußern sonst muss ich mich nur ärgern.

Es ist wirklich so, dass "nur" ein paar diffs nicht importiert wurden, weil
ich mein update script leider falsch bedient habe.  Welche diffs genau
fehlen kann ich leider nicht mehr ganz genau nachvollziehen.

Ich habe noch einen zweiten Tileserver laufen, der das Problem nicht
aufweist und könnte versuchen die fraglichen Objekte dort aus der Datenbank
rauszuholen und auf tile.openstreetmap.de einzuspielen.

Die fraglichen verschwundenen changesets stammen aus den KW 36 und 37.
Genauer kann ich das leider nicht mehr rekonstruieren.

Ein umkopieren der kompletten Datenbank scheitert leider an
unterscheidlichen Postgis Versionen auf den beiden Tileservern.

Eventuell könt ihr auch mal schaun ob bei http://tile.iosb.fraunhofer.de das
Rendering stimmt.

Gruss

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Re: [Talk-it] Open Data Provincia di Biella

[marco.baietto]

Il 14/11/2016 23.12, talk-it-requ...@openstreetmap.org ha scritto:

Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 19:34:46 +0100
From: Andrea Musuruane
To: openstreetmap list - italiano,
"marco.baietto"
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Open Data Provincia di Biella
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2016-11-14 19:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane:

>2016-11-14 15:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane:

>>Ho anche rigenerato tutti i dati tranne quelli degli edifici che spero
>>di fare entro fine settimana. Appena fatto, mando una mail alla lista
>>specifica di import.

>
>C'è un problema nei nuovi dati. Provando a selezionare gli edifici di
>Biella, mi sono accorto che moltissimi hanno NOME_COMUN a NULL invece
>che impostato a Biella.

PS E' vero anche per altri comuni. Ho appena provato con Cavaglià.

Ciao,

Andrea

Ciao, corretto l'errore, colpa mia...
Grazie per la segnalazione!!!
Ciao, Marco


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Re: [Talk-cz] sttimecoef?

[Marián Kyral]

Nikdo nic, tak jsem autorce napsal:

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Zdravím, 


na OSM fóru se objevil dotaz na tag sttimecoef=*: https://forum.
openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56342
(https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56342)




Některá použití jsou taky velmi zajímavá: 


1) adresní bod: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2402148090
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2402148090) 


2) hranice CHKO: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/41725
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/41725)




Dle všeho by jste o tom mohla něco vědět. A taky se zdá, že většina těchto 
tagů již není aktuální a měla by být smazána. Bylo by možné to pročistit?




Díky, 


Marián

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Marián


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Petr Vozdecký 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 9. 11. 2016 13:28:06
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] sttimecoef?

"sorry, venoval jsem tomu 30 sec, mel jsem za to, ze ten tag pribyl soucasne
s tim podezrelym tagem sttimecoef=80 @ (2015 Apr 9-2015 Apr 24 AND weight>
7.5)

je to tak, ze v prislusnem changesetu je napsano:
comment=Aktuální uzavírky cest
created_by=JOSM/1.5 (7588 cs)
source=dopravniinfo.cz

autorka Kristýna Kohoutová
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Krist%C3%BDna%20Kohoutov%C3%A1) má na 
kontě přes 6.000 editací, když se podíváme na ty poslední
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Krist%C3%BDna%20Kohoutov%C3%A1/history#map=8/49.815/15.474)
, tak to vypadá, že dělá jen tyto uzavírky, dnes jich zveřejnila několik, 
poslední je před chvílí uzavírka ulice Hanušova v Českých Velenicích
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/235994152). Ale tam už je tag "rozumný": 
vehicle:conditional=no @ (2016 Nov 9-2016 Dec 15)

Ať je to jakkoliv, tipuji, že jde o nějaký automatický proces a že nemá 
dotaženo odmazávání neaktuálních dat, čehož výsledek je zmíněný sttimecoef=*

Pokud ano, je na místě ji na to upozornit a požádat o dotažení - kdo si to 
vezme?

vop


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Pavel Machek 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 9. 11. 2016 10:07:34
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] sttimecoef?

"On Wed 2016-11-09 07:31:09, Petr Vozdecký wrote:
> to vypada jako vysledek nejakeho pokusu o automaticke zavadeni aktualnich 
> uzavirek
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/121216004
> patral bych smerem k HELP SERVICE - REMOTE SENSING spol. s r.o. http://
www.
> bnhelp.cz(http://www.bnhelp.cz;gps)

Urcite? bnhelp je zdroj puvodniho importu, ma ho pulka republiky.

Pavel

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Multipolygoon "Hallerbos"

[joost schouppe]

I don't see how the southern part is also a multipolygon, it is just a way
defined as outer: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/388756073

The southern part really is part of this one forest called Hallerbos
(relation 8690)  which is split in two by the E19.

I would think only the relation would need a name, not the building blocks.

Also, in this case, I think it would actually be better to have two
multipolygons:

* one with the outer lines for both building blocks, which only has the
name information and the fact that this is a nature area. For most nature
areas, that would just be a way, the "outer" way of the nature area.

* one without the name, just for the landuse. The "inner" parts are not
forest, but they are very much part of the nature area. For the landuse
mapping, there is no need to have the parts on both sides of the E19 as one
object. So these could be two multipolygons in this case.

I haven't made this change myself, as I remember someone telling me it was
just fine like this.
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[OSM-talk-be] Multipolygoon "Hallerbos"

[Jakka]

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/50.701345599532125/4.273552633411158

Iemand met kennis ter zake voor grote grondgebieden.
"Hallerbos" ten zuiden E19 werd afzonderlijk in een multipolygoon getekend.
ten noorden E19 ook multipolygoon met naam "Hallerbos" verwerkt en dan 
werd het zuiderlijk deel daar nog eens in/aan toegevoegd.

Is het zuiden dan dubbel of niet ingevoerd?
Is het om de "naam" ten zuiden zichtbaar/overzichtelijk te houden ? Daar 
staat ook het museum.



"Hallerbos" au sud du E19 est multipolygoon independant
au nord multipolygoon nord du E19 nom "Hallerbos" et puis le sud est 
repris de dans.

Question le sud n'est il pas double repris dans database/system?
Ou un maniere de representer le nom "Hallerbos" sur carte deux fois?



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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Meeting tonight

[Andy Robinson]

Jan,

 

Your list email got held by the mailman system which is why you didn’t see it 
get posted.

 

Next month (Dec) we are back in Birmingham at our usual home at The Bull on 
Price Street. The wiki needs updating. We also decided to swap back to the 
first THURSDAY in the month going forward.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Jan Gondzio [mailto:jan.gond...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 November 2016 12:28
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Meeting tonight

 

Hi All,

 

I only get a daily digest, so I'm not sure I've been keeping track of this 
conversation, and I'm new to the mailing list, so apologies in advance for 
being a newbie... I understand that there's a meeting due to take place 
tonight. Is that at Cosy Club in Birmingham or in Coventry?

 

I've had a look at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Event_calendar but it indicates 
yday's date, so not too sure what's happening. 

 

I hope to be able to join a meeting (in Brum) and meet you all soon!

 

Jan

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Re: [Talk-it] Questione barrato nei civici

[Alessandro Palmas]

> 14.11.2016 - 12:34 - Giorgio Limonta:
>> Buongiorno a tutti,
>>
>> pongo una questione circa le modalità con cui si indicano i barrati
>> nel tag "addr:housenumber" che so già essere stata tratta in
>> precedenza ma che non mi sembra ancora pienamente chiarita, almeno
>> stando a guardare alcuni comuni per i quali è stato effettuato
>> l'import dei civici. Non sarebbe meglio aggiungere il carattere "/"
>> tra il numero civico e il subalterno considerando che a volte lo
>> stesso è ancora un numero (1/1, 1/10, etc...)?
>>
>> Grazie per il chiarimento
>>
>> G.L.
>
> Ciao!
> Allora, lo "standard" italiano per i numeri civici dovrebbe essere
> n.civico + lettera in minuscolo per il barrato (es. 100a, 99g, 1e).
> .


Quando a Genova iniziammo a mappare seriamente i civici (forse era il 2010
- 2011) in lista convenimmo di usare numero e subalterno maiuscolo senza
barra (es.: 24C) mentre i per i civici rossi '9 rosso'

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT



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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Meeting tonight

[Jan Gondzio]

Hi All,

I only get a daily digest, so I'm not sure I've been keeping track of this
conversation, and I'm new to the mailing list, so apologies in advance for
being a newbie... I understand that there's a meeting due to take place
tonight. Is that at Cosy Club in Birmingham or in Coventry?

I've had a look at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Event_calendar but it
indicates yday's date, so not too sure what's happening.

I hope to be able to join a meeting (in Brum) and meet you all soon!

Jan
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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Simon Poole]

In some aspects wikipedia is completely different than OSM, for example
WP has the rule of "no original research", we on the other hand want
exactly that (via survey). Adding a WP article on an object would
require you finding citable third party sources with information on the
object, it is not enough that you've been there and have seen say a sign
is not enough.

Simon


Am 14.11.2016 um 15:11 schrieb RB:
> I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
> adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
> localities (such as Javerne
> ) aren't mostly covered
> by wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to all the 3
> localities pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia moderators.
>
> Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
> localities to orphan wikidata objects?
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Rory McCann]

On 14/11/16 15:11, RB wrote:
> I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
> adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
> localities (such as Javerne
> ) aren't mostly covered by
> wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to all the 3 localities
> pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia moderators.
> 
> Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
> localities to orphan wikidata objects?

Hi. So obviously this is really a Wikipedia issue, rather than an
OpenStreetMap issue.

But yes, IME Wikipedia does have an official "notability" policy. You
can't just put anything into Wikipedia. OSM is considerably more relaxed
in this regard. There are ways around it, like using your user sandbox
area first to flesh out the article. But it's possible that the place is
just not notable enough for Wikipedia.

Rory



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Re: [Talk-de] Responsiver Stil für OSM

[Simon Poole]

openstreetmap.org funktioniert problemlos in verschiedenen Formaten.

Horst gings aber um openstreetmap.de, das auch nicht Leflet einsetzt. So
viel ich weiss wehrt sich aber niemand gegen Verbesserungen an
openstreetmap.de, Horst du kannst also einfach die entsprechenden
Verbesserungen programmieren und vorschlagen.

Simon


Am 14.11.2016 um 17:25 schrieb hike39:
> Hallo Frederik,
>
>> Was meinst Du denn mit "responsiv"?
>>
> Dass sich die Darstellung den Gegebenheiten des Endgeräts anpasst.
>
>> Und was mit "fummelig"?
>>
>> Es der Touch-Support von Leaflet, der Dir Probleme macht
> Hast Du schon einmal versucht an einem Tablett die Zoomstufen einzeln zu
> erhöhen oder die Auswahl der verschiedenen Karten durch zu führen?
>
> Ich habe zwar auf meinem Smartphone auch OSMAnd+ installliert, aber da
> muß man ja erst einmal die aktuellen Karten runter laden, wenn man den
> aktuellen Stand haben will.
>
> Gruß
> Horst
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: confirm 10ff24cf8895bd60980b14b1a6380c7cd66ce656

[Nicolas Moyroud]

Ou alors arrêtez d'utiliser des comptes mail hébergé chez le grand 
méchant loup ? Désolé j'ai pas pu m'empêcher... ;-)


Nicolas

Le 15/11/2016 01:36, Pierre Béland a écrit :
Bon j'ai été précurseur semble-t-il. C'est depuis des mois de mon 
côté. Espérons que les admin vont trouver une piste pour régler ces 
problèmes.





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Re: [Talk-it] Questione barrato nei civici

[Giorgio Limonta]

>Ciao!
>Allora, lo "standard" italiano per i numeri civici dovrebbe essere 
>n.civico + lettera in minuscolo per il barrato (es. 100a, 99g, 1e).

>Nell'importazione dei numeri civici del friuli venezia giulia abbiamo 
>deciso di usare n.civico + / + lettera in maiuscolo per il barrato (es. 
>100/A 99/G, 1/E) proprio perché tanti barrati erano composti da numeri e 
>quindi lo "standard" italiano non regge in questi casi.

>Però molte volte mi è venuto il dubbio che forse era meglio usare lo 
>standard "italiano" e solo per i barrati con numero usare lo standard 
>adottato da noi. Ma poi mi rendo conto che forse abbiamo fatto bene, 
>forse... chi lo sa? Almeno così abbiamo per tutta la regione un modo  
>univoco per taggare i civici...

>Alcuni numeri presi oggi con overpass-turbo per i civici del fvg:

>totale numeri civici in fvg: 425.125
>totale civici con barrato numerico: 21.128 (circa il 5%)

>A voi le conclusioni

>Ciao
>Damjan

Grazie mille per il chiarimento, mi permetto solo di evidenziare che la 
questione subalterno numerico non è limitata solamente al Friuli, ho infatti 
notato che viene utilizzato anche in altre realtà italiane (es. Bologna, Parma, 
Bergamo, Milano) anche se, come giustamente facevi notare tu, rappresenta un 
piccola percentuale rispetto al totale dei civici direi anche inferiore a 
quella emersa in FVG, perciò effettivamente potrebbe essere introdotto il "/" 
solo per i subalterni numerici mantenendo lo standard per gli altri?
ciaoGL 


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