Re: [talk-au] Men's Shed?

[Warin]

On 07/10/19 16:52, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Thanks fella's - thought I remembered seeing some mention of them!


With only 2 expressing an opinion I am reluctant to put it on the wiki 
guide.


What do you think Graeme? Anyone else?


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Re: [talk-au] Men's Shed?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks fella's - thought I remembered seeing some mention of them!

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 14:23, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Existing;
>
> amenity=community_centre
> community_centre:for=men
> name=North Sydney Men's Shed
>
>

> name=Parramatta District Men's Shed
> office=charity
>
> building=yes
> name=St George Men's Shed
>
> amenity=social_centre
> name=Bankstown Men's Shed
>

Hmmm - of those, I think I prefer =social_centre?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dsocial_centre

Community centre to me has always meant the actual hall / building, that is
available for various groups to hire / use, & I don't think office+charity
works either?

Possible new entry to the 'Australian Tagging Guidelines' once we come
> to some general concision?
>

That would be a good idea as well!

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Consistent tagging of botanic gardens around Australia - leisure=park vs leisure=garden

[Warin]

On 07/10/19 14:02, Andrew Davidson wrote:

The current tagging for Australian botanical gardens is:

leisure=park 57
leisure=garden 43
leisure=nature_reserve 6
lesiure=playground 1
tourism=attraction 2
tourism=zoo 2
landuse=forest 1

no object tagging 1

It would appear that the parkiness is more interesting than the 
gardeny characteristics for a majority of mappers.


For those of you who would like to map the missing botanical gardens 
they are:


http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5926994    Sylvan Grove Native Garden
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68655029 Bellingen Hospital Grounds
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68657274 The Botanical Ark
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68658800 Burringbar Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68661966 Derby Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68664567 East Gippsland Species Garden
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68776348 Fairhill Native Plants and 
Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68777459 Gayndah Botanical Gardens and 
Pioneer Place

http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68778647 Gisborne Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68882889 Ingham Memorial Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68885551 Kirk's Water Wise Garden
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69290351 Maleny Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69293705 Mt Martin Botanic Park
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69295853 Noosa Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69481419 Terowie Arid Lands Botanic 
Garden
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69482290 Tibooburra Outback Botanic 
Gardens

http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69524290 Friends of the Warbys Arboretum
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69524375 Werribee Park Mansion Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69546874 Brookvale Park Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69549381 Fangorn


I have added the Tibooburra Outback Botanic Gardens as a garden not 
park, as a single node - location approximate - it is within the school 
grounds .. so it is not a park. Hard to estimate the true location but 
this should be within 40 metres of it.


The landuse=forest one is probably an arboretum.

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Re: [talk-au] Men's Shed?

[Warin]

On 07/10/19 14:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

As per the title, what do we call a Men's Shed?
https://mensshed.org/ in case any of our overseas followers don't know 
what we're talking about!


I'm guessing club=? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:club but what?

Not really a community centre?

Maybe craft=?, possibly =handicraft?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Acraft%3Dhandicraft

Any thoughts?

Better link as to what Men's Sheds are about
https://mensshed.org/
https://menshed.com/

There is at least one Women's Shed too.

Existing;

node 5359849540
amenity=community_centre
community_centre:for=men
name=North Sydney Men's Shed
website=https://www.northsydney.nsw.gov.au/Community_Services/Aged_Access/Men39s_Shed

The building is mapped as a separate closed way, with this node in the 
middle of it. Don't think there is anything else inside the building.


The 'craft' can vary from shed to shed - some do woodwork ...
The council see them as a community service .. like a Library. Note I 
created this one, IIRC with some input from this list.
IIRC there was a person who had a problem mapping one as the members 
were concerned with possible enhanced theft possibilities.


others mapped in Syd area with name~Men's Shed

addr:housenumber=1
addr:postcode=2151
addr:state=NSW
addr:street=Fleet Street
addr:suburb=North Parramatta
name=Parramatta District Men's Shed
office=charity

building=yes
name=St George Men's Shed

amenity=social_centre
building=garage
capacity=50
name=Bankstown Men's Shed
phone=+61 2 9738 1147
website=https://www.bankstown.nsw.gov.au/index.aspx?NID=1152
wheelchair=yes

Possible new entry to the 'Australian Tagging Guidelines' once we come 
to some general concision?


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Re: [talk-au] Men's Shed?

[Andrew Davidson]

On 7/10/19 2:18 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

As per the title, what do we call a Men's Shed?


https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-January/011639.html

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Re: [talk-au] Consistent tagging of botanic gardens around Australia - leisure=park vs leisure=garden

[Andrew Davidson]

The current tagging for Australian botanical gardens is:

leisure=park 57
leisure=garden 43
leisure=nature_reserve 6
lesiure=playground 1
tourism=attraction 2
tourism=zoo 2
landuse=forest 1

no object tagging 1

It would appear that the parkiness is more interesting than the gardeny 
characteristics for a majority of mappers.


For those of you who would like to map the missing botanical gardens 
they are:


http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5926994 Sylvan Grove Native Garden
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68655029 Bellingen Hospital Grounds
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68657274 The Botanical Ark
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68658800 Burringbar Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68661966 Derby Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68664567 East Gippsland Species Garden
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68776348 Fairhill Native Plants and 
Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68777459 Gayndah Botanical Gardens and 
Pioneer Place

http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68778647 Gisborne Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68882889 Ingham Memorial Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q68885551 Kirk's Water Wise Garden
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69290351 Maleny Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69293705 Mt Martin Botanic Park
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69295853 Noosa Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69481419 Terowie Arid Lands Botanic Garden
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69482290 Tibooburra Outback Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69524290 Friends of the Warbys Arboretum
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69524375 Werribee Park Mansion Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69546874 Brookvale Park Botanic Gardens
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q69549381 Fangorn


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Re: [talk-au] Kingston (Norfolk Island) capital tag

[cleary via Talk-au]

Sorry.  On reflection, I think I misunderstood your proposal.
I think your suggestion is consistent with the capital of a territory.
Apology for mis-reading proposal.




On Sun, 6 Oct 2019, at 2:53 PM, Joachim wrote:
> Hello Aussie mappers,
> 
> a quick heads-up that i plan to change the capital tag[1] in Kingston
> (Norfolk Island) from "yes" to "4".[2]
> Rationale: Norfolk Island is not self-governing any more[3] and the
> boundary is admin_level=4 [4].
> 
> Seems to me a no-brainer but I don't want to step on any local feet ;)
> 
> Best regards, Joachim (Jojo4u)
> 
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capital
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2470797094
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Norfolk_Island
> [4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2574988
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Re: [talk-au] Kingston (Norfolk Island) capital tag

[cleary]

I understand the intent but I disagree.

I have a special interest in administrative boundaries and their implications 
etc.  As far as I am aware, Norfolk Island is still a territory of Australia. 
It is now part of Australia but is not part of any state.   Three other 
territories in this category are Northern Territory, Australian Capital 
Territory and Jervis Bay Territory, each of which are different and for 
different reasons.   Norfolk Island still has its own Administrator, its own 
Court of Petty Sessions, Supreme Court, and the Administrative Review Tribunal 
of Norfolk Island.

I have never visited Norfolk Island but I understand that, although Burnt Pine 
is a larger settlement,  the Administrator and the courts are all based in 
Kingston.   Although its laws are now largely the laws of NSW or the 
Commonwealth, they are applied as if they are the laws of Norfolk and are  
interpreted and judged by Norfolk courts.

It is an unusual and special case but I think Kingston still qualifies as the 
capital of an Australian territory.   







On Sun, 6 Oct 2019, at 2:53 PM, Joachim wrote:
> Hello Aussie mappers,
> 
> a quick heads-up that i plan to change the capital tag[1] in Kingston
> (Norfolk Island) from "yes" to "4".[2]
> Rationale: Norfolk Island is not self-governing any more[3] and the
> boundary is admin_level=4 [4].
> 
> Seems to me a no-brainer but I don't want to step on any local feet ;)
> 
> Best regards, Joachim (Jojo4u)
> 
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capital
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2470797094
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Norfolk_Island
> [4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2574988
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Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on micro parks

[stevea]

Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:
in reply to the
1 Oct 2019, 16:26 post by Frederik Ramm :

> Case 1:
> http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/case1.png
> Two small coastal areas that look a bit like rock outcroppings.
> It is hard to imagine to me situation where
> it would be leisure=park.

That is because OSM often uses a definition of "leisure=park" as it is 
better-known in Europe as (approximately) "smaller urban manicured green space" 
(and which I tried mightily six months ago to remedy in our park wiki and its 
Talk page, but was ineffectively confused / muddied by the other party in this 
"dispute").  We (he and I, the two whom Frederik says are "in dispute") 
actually DID come to a relatively benign agreement here, in this specific case, 
where these two polygons are now tagged leisure=nature_reserve (NOT 
leisure=park) as well as boundary=protected_area (as they are, according to 
CPAD and/or SCCGIS, which have been documented in our Contributors wiki at 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Contributors#California_Protected_Areas_Database for 
many months and https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Santa_Cruz_County,_California#Landuse 
wiki for many years) + protect_class=7.  The value of this key was actually one 
of the few times where the other OSM volunteer who disputed this agreed with me 
that the correct value could be one of two or three different values, and this 
is the one we settled on.  To be clear, the "dispute" that Frederik appears to 
be arbitrating is over me closing an OSM Note here where I noted this, saying 
"Resolvable, resolved" and then closed the Note.  The other party ignored the 
Note he left open for months (five months, without doing anything to resolve 
it, in another disingenuous gesture) to apparently "stir up muck" (vex and 
annoy, really).

Recall, these are from a ten-year-old nmixter import which I spent literally 
several years and tens of thousands of thoughtful "compares" (the SCCGIS data 
that were entered, vs. my good knowledge of how OSM should "best tag") and this 
is one vestige where another volunteer (the other in this dispute) found fault 
with my corrections, then HE entered a Note (many, actually, this is one), 
which resulted in the "compromise entries" we find now.  I remain in a 
listening mode as to how other mappers would tag what came from a state agency 
calling these a "park" and that went through MANY iterations of "not really a 
park," which I readily and certainly have agreed to (factually, it is not 
tagged leisure=park today).  The Note (https://www.osm.org/note/1759733) was 
closed, correctly in my opinion, as it is truly "resolvable."

By the way (Frederik), I don't know how "if you are one of the mappers in 
conflict here, please refrain from participating" works in Germany or OSM in 
general, but I am not used to nor do I appreciate being told to not speak up 
for myself when my edits are called into question.  It feels very much like 
censorship, having tape placed across my mouth, or having my hands tied behind 
my back.  We have freedom of speech in my country, we have freedom of speech in 
OSM (so I believe), even during disputes under arbitration by the DWG and 
especially when some of the facts presented are slightly in error.  Yesterday, 
I meant to send the correction (not really participation, but correcting a 
mistake in the data presented to talk-us) directly to Frederik, but I 
mistakenly sent to the list (something I virtually never do by mistake, but I 
did make that "Reply all" mistake yesterday).  Nonetheless, I fail to see the 
value in Frederick's / the DWG's "ask" that I refrain from participating, 
especially when some of the facts presented are not quite correct (I place no 
blame or value judgement about that, it is entirely possible that Frederik's 
edits and mine simply crossed over eight time zones — a perfectly innocent 
explanation).

I, too, value as many other participants and perspectives as we might view here 
in talk-us on these topics.  They are difficult, they cause friction and I wish 
to see light, not heat, though resolution (on many fronts, by many volunteers) 
has proven exceedingly hard to come by.

> "zone=PR-PP" which was then interpreted as meaning it's somehow a
> "park".
> Is this a typical quality of this import?

Mateusz, again:  "this import" was from a notoriously "import happy" mapper 
from ten years ago who I know personally and has been widely admonished many 
times over during the last decade for his poor edits.  MY participation was to 
improve the data into what BestOfOSM.org eventually called "nearly perfect 
landuse."  I have striven to do this over many years, as best I can, logically 
mapping the imported (zoning) data to OSM's landuse tags, with full explanation 
of my reasoning all along the way in wiki, personal messages and patient 
answers with all and sundry with whom I and others interacted as we edited 
these (multi)polygons here.  When others dispute(d) my findings or tagging, I 
listen(ed) and 

Re: [talk-au] Discussion J: regionalisation of editor presets

[Adam Horan]

I believe the request is:
Request: *For all regions of the world that have their own road rules,
mapping standards/conventions, to enhance the common editors to support
region specific tagging. Additionally have the editor identify which region
you are editing in and switch to the correct presets.*

I'd guess there's 1000s of such regions, especially if you go as small as
the ACT. Why would you restrict yourself to bike paths? I could imagine
many tagging presets have similar arguments in many regions.

It would be onerous to maintain such detailed presets for so many regions,
even if they could be identified.

I think the best plan is to continue with what should be happening now,
which is the human must decide how to apply the appropriate tagging based
on their knowledge of what's on the ground, and the tagging conventions of
the region being mapped.

Adam




On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 10:13, Ben Kelley  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> A question of clarification:
>
> Are you asking how to change the defaults when you yourself are editing?
>
> Or are you wanting to raise a problem you see with the current defaults?
> (This would seem to be a problem you perceive rather than a question.)
>
>
> - Ben.
>
>
> On Mon., 7 Oct. 2019, 10:05 Herbert.Remi via Talk-au, <
> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> Discussion J: regionalisation of editor presets
>> I am now putting the question at the top and bottom of the text.
>>
>> ## QUESTION
>> How can the presets for the editor (ID and JOSM) be changed to the ATG
>> default for the ACT when editing paths in this territory?
>>
>> # The Issue (background)
>> What is the cause of the overwhelming inconsistencies between the path
>> tags in OSM and the ATG? This was the question from Discussion I
>> (6/10/2019). There may be multiple causes. The error seems to be systematic.
>>
>> ## Human factors and preset design
>> One possible systematic cause is that mappers are trusting the preset to
>> get it right.
>>
>> If it looks like a pedestrian path, then the click on the “walking man”
>> button in the ID editor. The presumption here is the preset is correct for
>> the ACT. This turns out to be a mistake.
>>
>> If the path looks like it is for bikes then the mapper clicks the blue
>> bike. Again, the mapper is trusting the preset to be correct for the ACT
>> but it is not.
>>
>> The preset with the closed approximation to the ATG tags are the “bike
>> and pedestrian” button (noted in Discussion D), which is the least favoured
>> of the three in the ACT (try it for yourself in overpass turbo).
>>
>> ## ID editor preset values
>> The ID editor has the following tag values for presets. None are correct
>> according to the ATG for the ACT. Pushing any of these buttons will fill
>> the OSM database with the wrong data for the ACT.
>>
>> Foot Path preset (symbol "walking man“)
>> tags:
>> - highway=footway
>>
>> Cycle Path preset (symbol blue bike)
>> tags:
>> - highway=cycleway
>>
>> Cycle & Foot Path preset (symbol blue bike)
>> tags:
>> - cycleway=highway
>> - foot=designated
>> - bicycle=designated
>>
>> ## accumulating tags assumption
>> One mapper has suggested in this forum that the tags accumulated when you
>> click multiple buttons, one after another. This assumption may be widely
>> held but is also incorrect.
>>
>> The actual behaviour of the ID editor is quite different. Push the
>> buttons in any sequence and the tags of the new preset overwrite the tags
>> that the previous button had put on the "way". Tags are overwritten and not
>> accumulated. (Lifecycle tags accumulate a history.)
>>
>> ## The default is king - proven again and again
>> Studies have shown that people will stick with the default option 85% of
>> the time. In the studies, an alternative option is offered but nobody ever
>> clicks on it. This is human nature (psychology). People prefer to go with
>> the default.
>>
>> For the ID editor, this is problematic. The three preset buttons
>> discussed have default tags and the editor does not offer to the mapper to
>> change them. I doubt most people would think to do so.
>>
>> The presets in the editor have become the defacto STANDARD, replacing
>> anything that might be found in the ATG. The ATG is ignored in preference
>> for a default chosen by the editor developer. The outcome is a systematic
>> skew of the data in OSM to preset values (verify it yourself in overpass
>> turbo).
>>
>> ## changing the preset to be ATG conform for each state/territory
>> One option is to change these three presets to conform with the ATG and
>> ACT standard values for “type A” and “type B” paths (see Discussion D).
>> Both these types are a Cycle & Foot Path but may have a different
>> appearance. Cycle Path and Foot Path would take on the ATG default for
>> cycle ONLY path and pedestrian ONLY path respectively. The mapper may need
>> to be reminded that the Cycle & Foot Path is the default for the ACT.
>>
>> Another option would be to set the Cycle Path and Foot Path with the ATG

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles

[Lars-Daniel Weber]

Hi Simon,

From: "Simon Poole" 
> Are you really doing this (applies to your 2nd question too) or are you
> dealing in hypotheticals? As this would seem to be a rather roundabout
> way to get shapefiles from OSM data it just seems to be rather unlikely.

I'm really doing this but I'm *not* getting shapefiles from OSM data, I'm 
getting a shapefile from lines, someone has drawn as an overlay on a printed 
map produced by OSM data.

Here's the whole story: someone has sent me areas drawn by hand on a printed 
OSM map (OSM standard style) with a (tick) black pen. I've scanned the map, 
georeferenced it in QGIS based on OSM data and digitized the marker. I've also 
played with QGIS color settings to only see the black pen and not the map on a 
white background (was easier to draw that way). The accuracy is aweful, but 
fine for the task the borders are needed for. Those lines often areas, where 
OSM doesn't have any borders (f.e. crossing a forest or field diagonally) and 
they never accurately follow a line on the printed map.

> In any case you are creating a derivative of a CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed
> work which requires all derivatives to be licensed on CC BY-SA 2.0 terms
> (that are far more restrictive than the ODbL).

I thought, whenever you re-digitize OSM data from a printed map, it would get 
ODbL again. According to current ruling by European Court of Justice, a printed 
map is just a database (it has been judged for a German topographical map in 
small scale).

So if I had freely drawn the borders based on extract of OSM (with the paper on 
the desk), it would fall under ODbL?

Sincerely yours,
Lars-Daniel


> Gesendet: Montag, 07. Oktober 2019 um 00:45 Uhr
> Von: "Simon Poole" 
> An: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
> Betreff: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles
>
> Are you really doing this (applies to your 2nd question too) or are you
> dealing in hypotheticals? As this would seem to be a rather roundabout
> way to get shapefiles from OSM data it just seems to be rather unlikely.
>
> In any case you are creating a derivative of a CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed
> work which requires all derivatives to be licensed on CC BY-SA 2.0 terms
> (that are far more restrictive than the ODbL).
>
> Am 06.10.2019 um 15:05 schrieb Lars-Daniel Weber:
> > Dear users,
> >
> > I've drawn a map based on the official OpenStreetMap tiles, which are 
> > licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0 using QGIS. The result is stored as a 
> > shapefile. The shapefile should be published to students to work with it. 
> > It might be printed and shared otherwise.
> >
> > Most of the time during the drawing, I've oriented myself on elements 
> > existing in OSM (rivers, streets etc.), but sometimes I've divided areas by 
> > own knowledge or by own needs. The resulting shapefile doesn't contain OSM 
> > data (nothing got extracted) and it doesn't have the quality to contribute 
> > back to OSM (I've generalized the geometries by hand).
> >
> > Is this a "produced work"? Can I release the shapefile under my own 
> > license, but attribute each element as "based on OpenStreetMap"? What 
> > license shall I point to? Since it's not directly based on the ODbL data 
> > (it's based on the rendered style), will data extracted from the map from 
> > others fall under ODbL again?
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> > Lars-Daniel
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Re: [talk-au] Discussion J: regionalisation of editor presets

[Ben Kelley]

Hi.

A question of clarification:

Are you asking how to change the defaults when you yourself are editing?

Or are you wanting to raise a problem you see with the current defaults?
(This would seem to be a problem you perceive rather than a question.)


- Ben.


On Mon., 7 Oct. 2019, 10:05 Herbert.Remi via Talk-au, <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Discussion J: regionalisation of editor presets
> I am now putting the question at the top and bottom of the text.
>
> ## QUESTION
> How can the presets for the editor (ID and JOSM) be changed to the ATG
> default for the ACT when editing paths in this territory?
>
> # The Issue (background)
> What is the cause of the overwhelming inconsistencies between the path
> tags in OSM and the ATG? This was the question from Discussion I
> (6/10/2019). There may be multiple causes. The error seems to be systematic.
>
> ## Human factors and preset design
> One possible systematic cause is that mappers are trusting the preset to
> get it right.
>
> If it looks like a pedestrian path, then the click on the “walking man”
> button in the ID editor. The presumption here is the preset is correct for
> the ACT. This turns out to be a mistake.
>
> If the path looks like it is for bikes then the mapper clicks the blue
> bike. Again, the mapper is trusting the preset to be correct for the ACT
> but it is not.
>
> The preset with the closed approximation to the ATG tags are the “bike and
> pedestrian” button (noted in Discussion D), which is the least favoured of
> the three in the ACT (try it for yourself in overpass turbo).
>
> ## ID editor preset values
> The ID editor has the following tag values for presets. None are correct
> according to the ATG for the ACT. Pushing any of these buttons will fill
> the OSM database with the wrong data for the ACT.
>
> Foot Path preset (symbol "walking man“)
> tags:
> - highway=footway
>
> Cycle Path preset (symbol blue bike)
> tags:
> - highway=cycleway
>
> Cycle & Foot Path preset (symbol blue bike)
> tags:
> - cycleway=highway
> - foot=designated
> - bicycle=designated
>
> ## accumulating tags assumption
> One mapper has suggested in this forum that the tags accumulated when you
> click multiple buttons, one after another. This assumption may be widely
> held but is also incorrect.
>
> The actual behaviour of the ID editor is quite different. Push the buttons
> in any sequence and the tags of the new preset overwrite the tags that the
> previous button had put on the "way". Tags are overwritten and not
> accumulated. (Lifecycle tags accumulate a history.)
>
> ## The default is king - proven again and again
> Studies have shown that people will stick with the default option 85% of
> the time. In the studies, an alternative option is offered but nobody ever
> clicks on it. This is human nature (psychology). People prefer to go with
> the default.
>
> For the ID editor, this is problematic. The three preset buttons discussed
> have default tags and the editor does not offer to the mapper to change
> them. I doubt most people would think to do so.
>
> The presets in the editor have become the defacto STANDARD, replacing
> anything that might be found in the ATG. The ATG is ignored in preference
> for a default chosen by the editor developer. The outcome is a systematic
> skew of the data in OSM to preset values (verify it yourself in overpass
> turbo).
>
> ## changing the preset to be ATG conform for each state/territory
> One option is to change these three presets to conform with the ATG and
> ACT standard values for “type A” and “type B” paths (see Discussion D).
> Both these types are a Cycle & Foot Path but may have a different
> appearance. Cycle Path and Foot Path would take on the ATG default for
> cycle ONLY path and pedestrian ONLY path respectively. The mapper may need
> to be reminded that the Cycle & Foot Path is the default for the ACT.
>
> Another option would be to set the Cycle Path and Foot Path with the ATG
> and ACT standard values for “type A” and “type B” paths (see Discussion D).
> The advantage of this is that we don’t require the mapper to change their
> behaviour. For the mapper, it is business as usual. Over time the OSM data
> will be corrected through the mappers' habit of toggling each other's work.
> The whole OSM data set for paths in the ACT will be overwritten and it will
> become largely correct. We would go from 95% incorrect to mostly correct. A
> big improvement.
>
> ## QUESTION
> How can the presets for the editor (ID and JOSM) be changed to the ATG
> default for the ACT when editing paths in this territory?
>
> I welcome your comments.
> Keywords: Australia, ACT, ATG, ID editor, presets, paths, root cause
> analysis
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[talk-au] Discussion J: regionalisation of editor presets

[Herbert.Remi via Talk-au]

Discussion J: regionalisation of editor presets
I am now putting the question at the top and bottom of the text.

## QUESTION
How can the presets for the editor (ID and JOSM) be changed to the ATG default 
for the ACT when editing paths in this territory?

# The Issue (background)
What is the cause of the overwhelming inconsistencies between the path tags in 
OSM and the ATG? This was the question from Discussion I (6/10/2019). There may 
be multiple causes. The error seems to be systematic.

## Human factors and preset design
One possible systematic cause is that mappers are trusting the preset to get it 
right.

If it looks like a pedestrian path, then the click on the “walking man” button 
in the ID editor. The presumption here is the preset is correct for the ACT. 
This turns out to be a mistake.

If the path looks like it is for bikes then the mapper clicks the blue bike. 
Again, the mapper is trusting the preset to be correct for the ACT but it is 
not.

The preset with the closed approximation to the ATG tags are the “bike and 
pedestrian” button (noted in Discussion D), which is the least favoured of the 
three in the ACT (try it for yourself in overpass turbo).

## ID editor preset values
The ID editor has the following tag values for presets. None are correct 
according to the ATG for the ACT. Pushing any of these buttons will fill the 
OSM database with the wrong data for the ACT.

Foot Path preset (symbol "walking man“)
tags:
- highway=footway

Cycle Path preset (symbol blue bike)
tags:
- highway=cycleway

Cycle & Foot Path preset (symbol blue bike)
tags:
- cycleway=highway
- foot=designated
- bicycle=designated

## accumulating tags assumption
One mapper has suggested in this forum that the tags accumulated when you click 
multiple buttons, one after another. This assumption may be widely held but is 
also incorrect.

The actual behaviour of the ID editor is quite different. Push the buttons in 
any sequence and the tags of the new preset overwrite the tags that the 
previous button had put on the "way". Tags are overwritten and not accumulated. 
(Lifecycle tags accumulate a history.)

## The default is king - proven again and again
Studies have shown that people will stick with the default option 85% of the 
time. In the studies, an alternative option is offered but nobody ever clicks 
on it. This is human nature (psychology). People prefer to go with the default.

For the ID editor, this is problematic. The three preset buttons discussed have 
default tags and the editor does not offer to the mapper to change them. I 
doubt most people would think to do so.

The presets in the editor have become the defacto STANDARD, replacing anything 
that might be found in the ATG. The ATG is ignored in preference for a default 
chosen by the editor developer. The outcome is a systematic skew of the data in 
OSM to preset values (verify it yourself in overpass turbo).

## changing the preset to be ATG conform for each state/territory
One option is to change these three presets to conform with the ATG and ACT 
standard values for “type A” and “type B” paths (see Discussion D). Both these 
types are a Cycle & Foot Path but may have a different appearance. Cycle Path 
and Foot Path would take on the ATG default for cycle ONLY path and pedestrian 
ONLY path respectively. The mapper may need to be reminded that the Cycle & 
Foot Path is the default for the ACT.

Another option would be to set the Cycle Path and Foot Path with the ATG and 
ACT standard values for “type A” and “type B” paths (see Discussion D). The 
advantage of this is that we don’t require the mapper to change their 
behaviour. For the mapper, it is business as usual. Over time the OSM data will 
be corrected through the mappers' habit of toggling each other's work. The 
whole OSM data set for paths in the ACT will be overwritten and it will become 
largely correct. We would go from 95% incorrect to mostly correct. A big 
improvement.

## QUESTION
How can the presets for the editor (ID and JOSM) be changed to the ATG default 
for the ACT when editing paths in this territory?

I welcome your comments.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles

[Simon Poole]

Are you really doing this (applies to your 2nd question too) or are you
dealing in hypotheticals? As this would seem to be a rather roundabout
way to get shapefiles from OSM data it just seems to be rather unlikely.

In any case you are creating a derivative of a CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed
work which requires all derivatives to be licensed on CC BY-SA 2.0 terms
(that are far more restrictive than the ODbL).

Am 06.10.2019 um 15:05 schrieb Lars-Daniel Weber:
> Dear users,
>
> I've drawn a map based on the official OpenStreetMap tiles, which are 
> licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0 using QGIS. The result is stored as a shapefile. 
> The shapefile should be published to students to work with it. It might be 
> printed and shared otherwise.
>
> Most of the time during the drawing, I've oriented myself on elements 
> existing in OSM (rivers, streets etc.), but sometimes I've divided areas by 
> own knowledge or by own needs. The resulting shapefile doesn't contain OSM 
> data (nothing got extracted) and it doesn't have the quality to contribute 
> back to OSM (I've generalized the geometries by hand).
>
> Is this a "produced work"? Can I release the shapefile under my own license, 
> but attribute each element as "based on OpenStreetMap"? What license shall I 
> point to? Since it's not directly based on the ODbL data (it's based on the 
> rendered style), will data extracted from the map from others fall under ODbL 
> again?
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Lars-Daniel
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Re: [talk-au] Discussion I: Quality is the coherence of four things

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Yes, I'm afraid that I can see an edit War starting here soon :-(

Thanks

Graeme


On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 19:53, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am concerned by the high frequency of reference to "laws and
> regulations" and "Australian Tagging Guidelines". If it is true that
> "95% of paths to do not comply with Australian Tagging Guidelines" then
> I would suggest to adapt the guidelines to actual practice. After all,
> hundreds of users have made meaningful contributions to the path network
> but only a handful of people have made meaningful contributions to the
> wiki page section on paths!
>
> OSM is generally not a project where some people think up guidelines and
> others then follow them; most guidelines are more of a "best practices"
> document.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [talk-au] Kingston (Norfolk Island) capital tag

[Andrew Harvey]

+1

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 01:54, Joachim  wrote:

> Hello Aussie mappers,
>
> a quick heads-up that i plan to change the capital tag[1] in Kingston
> (Norfolk Island) from "yes" to "4".[2]
> Rationale: Norfolk Island is not self-governing any more[3] and the
> boundary is admin_level=4 [4].
>
> Seems to me a no-brainer but I don't want to step on any local feet ;)
>
> Best regards, Joachim (Jojo4u)
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capital
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2470797094
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Norfolk_Island
> [4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2574988
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[talk-ph] Road reclassification / Edit war

[Frederik Ramm]

Dear talk-ph mailing list,

the DWG has been contacted because of an edit war between the users
"TagaSanPedroAKo" and "rjamz26" in the greater Manila area.

It appears that "TagaSanPedroAKo" has embarked on a large road
reclassification project that started over a year ago. There was a
little discussion in a ticket created by TagaSanPedroAKo here

https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/38

but not much interest. He has also explained his view of things in great
detail on the wiki on a page written exclusively by him

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions/Roads

and he seems to generally approach this with a spirit of "this change is
necessary and correct and I know what I'm doing".

Now another user, rjamz26, has reverted some of TagaSanPedroAKo's edits
in the Manila area, and this has led to an edit war and I have blocked
both users and asked them to stop reclassifying roads until the matter
is settled.

The first thing I need to find out is if the edits made by
TagaSanPedroAKo are actually wanted by the Philippines OSM community, or
if they are the work of a "lone wolf" who is out of touch with what the
the others do. TagaSanPedroAKo certainly sounds very sure that he's
doing the right thing, but he wouldn't be the first person in OSM to be
doing "the right thing" against the wishes of almost everyone else!

If the local community thinks that TagaSanPedroAKo is going over board
with his reclassification projects, then I could revert these changes,
or I could make a list of these changes for the community to review.
(The total number of ways where the highway tag was changed by
TagaSanPedroAKo is about 4,200.) If, on the other hand, the community
agrees with the changes, then we should find out why rjamz26 has
reverted some of them, and ensure it doesn't happen again.

Any light you can shed on this is helpful.

Thank you
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-it] inserimento postamat piccoli comuni

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il dom 6 ott 2019, 20:11 Lorenzo Rolla  ha scritto:

*Mi si dia atto che Poste Italiane avrebbe potuto creare un elenco con le
esatte coordinate a disposizione dell'utenza.*



...e magari anche con licenza libera? Non mi aspetto nulla da una s.p.a.
che blinda persino i codici di avviamento postale
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Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on micro parks

[Wolfgang Zenker]

Hi,

I guess we have (as so often) a problem with unconscious cultural bias
here. Property rights in Europe are generally much more limited than in
the US, e.g. in all but one(?) German states all forests are by law public
access, regardless of ownership. Also open farmland, meadows, etc.,
anything that is not fenced or walled in or immediately around houses
can normally be assumed to be public access in much of Europe, and the few
exceptions would be clearly signposted. I guess most european mappers
are not aware that the situation is different in other parts of the
world, so they simply have no idea why it could be necessary to tag a
piece of forest as a "park" to show it is a public access space.

Wolfgang
( lyx @ osm )

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Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on micro parks

[Kevin Kenny]

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 2:40 AM Michael Patrick  wrote:

> > "It is a park in the sense of American English as of 2019. Whether it is
> > a park according to OSM may be debatable, as it is an "unimproved" park,
> > meaning it is under development as to improvements like restrooms and
> > other amenities.
>
> In Seattle, there are efforts to un-improve certain parks to restore them
> as close as possible to native conditions, especially for salmon run
> restoration, wildlife corridors, and plant species preservation.
>

Here, too. I tag them `leisure=nature_reserve` and
`boundary=protected_area` with an appropriate `protect_class`. According to
OSM's view, they are not `leisure=park` even if they have 'park' in their
names. (The US actually has relatively few objects that match the European
definition of 'park' - which is an extensively human-sculpted landscape
chiefly for visual enjoyment.)


> > Note that it (IMHO correctly) explicitly mentions and excludes urban
> forests.
> See Las Wolski example at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=park?uselang=en <
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=park?uselang=en>
>
> LoL!  " Forest within a city. This is not a park, as greenery is not fully
> controlled"
> Most of the Seattle Parks would not be parks, then. Also, that national
> parks are " Parks in isolated, rural locations covering large, usually wild
> areas" is not true, see https://www.nps.gov/subjects/urban/index.htm
>

Quite possibly. Are the things in question nature reserves? In any case, in
an earlier thread discussing
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ke9tv/diary/390260 there was quite a
broad consensus that they are at least protected areas, and tagging them as
such should be relatively non-controversial. There's also a proposal in
process at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:_Named_protection_class_for_protected_areas
that
needs some final tidying before I can call for a vote. (I expect it also to
be relatively non-controversial; nobody likes the numeric protect_class
that we have today.)


> > Case 3:  http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/case3.png
> > The highlighted area in the middle of the picture straddles a street and
> > parts of an amenity=parking north and south of the street and seems to
> > rather arbitrarily cut through the woodland at its northern edge.
>
> Our county sometimes requires developers to provision for green space. A
> friend of mine recently bought a house, and their owners association is
> currently collecting ideas for theirs.
>

Yes, If these conservation easements for green space are private, I simply
mark them as `natural=wood` or whatever the appropriate land cover might
be, overlaid on the `landuse=residential`. If they're open to the public,
once again they become `leisure=nature_reserve`.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7391814 is an example of the latter,
where the developer was required to grant the township a public-access
green space easement. I mapped part of the landcover as well. (I usually
don't bother with mapping landcover, since when I render maps, I get it
from other sources, but I make an occasional exception to micromap nature
reserves or neighbourhoods.)

(Remaining discussion about micro-protected areas snipped.)

It is obvious that in multiple areas of the USA, these parks that are not
'parks' by the European definition are of intense local interest. If UK
English is the official language of OSM, we may lack appropriate tagging,
because the UK doesn't have very many features like them and doesn't really
have a phrase to describe them that is succinct enough to use as a tag.

If there is a local community of mappers that does have an intense interest
in including a feature of a given type, it is profoundly disrespectful to
that community to suggest that the feature ought not to be mapped. In this
particular case - which everyone on this list knows I've been trying to
address for at least a couple of years now - I strongly suspect that there
is a fundamental objection in some quarters to mapping these 'parks' - no
matter how much local interest they've generated.

I'm not sure that I've retained all the emails, but when I did the import
of New York City watershed recreation areas, I saw the same arguments -
culminating with 'lack of field verifiability.'  When that argument reached
the height of absurdity, I'd posted examples of the signs posted at
intervals on the areas' boundaries (such as
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/14018132286). One of the regular
objectors - I forget which - emailed me and stated firmly that since there
was no continuous marking of the boundary (such as a fence) the boundary
was still not verifiable, and the area could therefore still not be mapped;
he said that the only way it could be included in OSM was to map the
individual signs and ignore the area for which they are a demarcation.

This argument made it clear to me that at least some individuals on this
list are opposed 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Lieux-dits Fantoir surfaciques

[Christian Rogel]

> Le 5 oct. 2019 à 13:39, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
> En général les endroits habités ont une représentation surfacique.
> 

Où peut-on la trouver ? Le cadastre et la nomenclature FANTOIR ne sont pas des 
sources fiables, car leurs préoccupations n’ont rien à voir avec la dynamique 
historiques des appellations.
> 
> Je ne comprends pas la remarque de Christian sur les conflits de nom entre 
> génération : si besoin on met old_name (et old_name:br ^^).
> 
> Ni d'ailleurs sur "Au gré du temps, des noms voisins apparaissent, le 
> limitent ou l’avalent." : OSM représente l'actuel, si la version du cadastre 
> n'est pas à jour on n'intègre pas bêtement et c'est tout.
> 
Je ne me crois pas capable d’arbitrer entre les générations et les usages 
administratifs. Ce qui a été  laissé de côté par un groupe générationnel ou 
administratif peut être revivifié par un autre.
> C'est comme si on disait qu'on n'importe pas les routes parce que de 
> nouvelles routes vont être créées ou vont disparaître. Et bien non, on prend 
> le bâti actuel et on fait des mises à jour.
> J'ai l'impression que Christian confond représentation en base et 
> représentation graphique. Je ne dis pas qu'il faut rendre ces limites 
> visibles sur la carte, le landuse me semble ici plus pertinent. Par contre 
> Nominatim est à la ramasse. Car quand on dit logique floue on est d'accord 
> sauf qu'entre logique floue et information ponctuelle il y a un monde : il 
> suffit de voir comment Nominatim merdouille sur les lieux-dit pour essayer de 
> dire que X est dans le hameau Y pour voir que la définition actuelle est 
> insuffisante (et Nominatim pourrait aussi mieux exploiter la donnée actuelle).
> 
> Donc quand c'est dedans, c'est dedans, quand c'est dehors mais juste à côté 
> et que les autres noms sont un peu plus loin, ça se discute. Si c'est 
> isolated_dwelling très près alors mais pour city_block ou sur une zone 
> administrative, non.
> 
Ce serait trop simple, car, il y a des lieux habités qui semblent avoir perdu 
leur nom. Peut-être était-ce Le Petit Truc-muche, mais, comment savoir, à moins 
de remonter les ou d’interroger les habitants ? Et quand le cadastre donne 3 
noms de  pour ce qui apparaît comme un hameau unique et qui était composé de 3 
fermes très proches et ayant chacune leur nom ? A moins de rétrograder des Ker- 
en housename ?
> Ceci permet de faire fonctionner plus logiquement Nominatim (Cf. ticket #1505 
> ) et accessoirement 
> la modélisation proposée afin aussi d'éviter les problèmes de représentation 
> des place= en surfacique (on affiche au niveau du nœud "centre" s'il existe 
> mais on peut quand même avoir en plus une représentation surfacique).
> 

On aurait donc des nom de lieu à 2 ou  3 niveaux de technique d’inscription, Il 
faudra des tutoriels costauds, pour s’y retrouver.


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Re: [Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[Thomas Barris via Talk-ca]

Hi Jarek,

there exist no standard for the location in the format used by the wiki.
While a location with two fields such as "Toronto, Canada" is automatically
feed to the calendar, three fields "Toronto, Ontario, Canada" must be added
to a special list with exceptions, what I just did. So events for
"Toronto, Ontario, Canada" and for  "Toronto, Canada" will both appear in
future issues of the weeklyOSM.

Have a nice Sunday.

Bye
Thomas

Am So., 6. Okt. 2019 um 19:07 Uhr schrieb TheWeeklyOSM <
theweekly...@gmail.com>:

> Hi Jarek,
>
> the Upcoming Events are generated automatically by a script.
>
> Did you check your entry here:
> https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/calendar/preview
>
> as we recommend each week in a Note below the calendar?
> Note: If you like to see your event here, please put it into
>  the calendar.
> Only data which is there, will appear in weeklyOSM. Please check your
> event  in our public
> calendar preview and correct it, where appropriate
> .
>
> Afaiks your event is missing in the preview
> https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/calendar/preview ...
>
> cheers
>
>
> Am So., 6. Okt. 2019 um 18:52 Uhr schrieb Jarek Piórkowski <
> ja...@piorkowski.ca>:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 12:23, weeklyteam  wrote:
>> > The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
>> > is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all
>> things happening in the openstreetmap world:
>> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/
>> >
>> > Enjoy!
>> >
>> > Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just
>> log in to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account.
>> Read more about how to write a post here:
>> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm
>>
>> Dear Weekly Team,
>>
>> Thank you for your efforts producing the weekly summary.
>>
>> Is there any reason the Upcoming Events table does not include the
>> Toronto meetup on October 7? I added it to the calendar on September
>> 29:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACalendar=revision=1908808=1908622
>> and I would like to know if I made a mistake.
>>
>> The meetup is:
>> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/265246337/
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Jarek
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Re: [Talk-it] inserimento postamat piccoli comuni

[Lorenzo Rolla]

@Alessandro Sarretta: Gentile Alessandro... Ti riporto alcune citazioni
estratte dai vari comunicati stampa...
* Alessandria, 8 luglio 2019 – Poste Italiane ha installato i primi
sportelli automatici ATM Postamat nei comuni di Casaleggio Boiro, Monleale
e Roccaforte Ligure presso il quale risiedono circa 370, 560 e 130
abitanti.*

*Poste Italiane ha installato un nuovo sportello automatico ATM Postamat
nel Comune di Colazza, in provincia di Novara, presso il quale risiedono
circa 450 abitanti.*

*Poste Italiane ha installato un nuovo sportello automatico ATM Postamat
nel Comune di Moransengo, presso il quale risiedono circa 200 abitanti.*

*Poste Italiane ha installato un nuovo sportello automatico ATM Postamat
nel Comune di Tonengo, nella provincia di Asti, presso il quale risiedono
circa 250 abitanti.*
*Ovviamente riporto i numeri degli abitanti dove sono indicati... non ho
aperto tutti i comunicati. *
*Per rispettare lo "spirito" di Openmaps, ho inserito solo i postamat che
sono contigui agli uffici postali, controllando sul sito delle Poste la
loro presenza. Gli altri postamat sono delle "scatole giganti" generalmente
collocati nella piazza del municipio. *
*Apprezzo lo scambio d'idee e la sensibilità di voler inserire questi atm;
personalmente sono motivato per ragioni turistiche: in alcune zone non
esiste più uno sportello bancario e quindi ottenere l'esatta ubicazione di
una macchinetta "sputasoldi" è un bel biglietto da visita per il forestiero
che visita quei luoghi. *
*Mi si dia atto che Poste Italiane avrebbe potuto creare un elenco con le
esatte coordinate a disposizione dell'utenza. Lieto di leggere altre
considerazioni. Lorenzo.*



Il giorno dom 6 ott 2019 alle ore 18:51 Ivo Reano  ha
scritto:

>
> Non credo che "100 abitanti = scarsa mappatura".
>>
> +1
>
>
>> P.S.: vivo in un paese di 112 abitanti ed è mappato pure l'albero di
>> Natale... 
>>
>
> natural=christmas_tree
> oppure
>
> artificial=tree
> +
> christmas_tree=yes
>
> ?
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Wochennotiz Nr. 480 24.09.2019–30.09.2019

[Wochennotizteam]

Hallo,

die Wochennotiz Nr. 480 mit vielen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der
OpenStreetMap-Welt ist da:

http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2019/10/wochennotiz-nr-480/

Wusstet ihr, dass ihr auch selbst Meldungen für die Wochennotiz
einreichen könnt, ohne Mitglied zu sein?  Einfach auf
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login mit eurem OSM-Benutzerkonto
anmelden und dann den Gastzugang benutzen.

Viel Spaß beim Lesen

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Re: [Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[TheWeeklyOSM]

Hi Jarek,

the Upcoming Events are generated automatically by a script.

Did you check your entry here:
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/calendar/preview

as we recommend each week in a Note below the calendar?
Note: If you like to see your event here, please put it into
 the calendar. Only
data which is there, will appear in weeklyOSM. Please check your event
 in our public calendar
preview and correct it, where appropriate
.

Afaiks your event is missing in the preview
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/calendar/preview ...

cheers


Am So., 6. Okt. 2019 um 18:52 Uhr schrieb Jarek Piórkowski <
ja...@piorkowski.ca>:

> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 12:23, weeklyteam  wrote:
> > The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
> > is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all
> things happening in the openstreetmap world:
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just
> log in to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account.
> Read more about how to write a post here:
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm
>
> Dear Weekly Team,
>
> Thank you for your efforts producing the weekly summary.
>
> Is there any reason the Upcoming Events table does not include the
> Toronto meetup on October 7? I added it to the calendar on September
> 29:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACalendar=revision=1908808=1908622
> and I would like to know if I made a mistake.
>
> The meetup is:
> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/265246337/
>
> Thanks,
> --Jarek
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Re: [Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[Jarek Piórkowski]

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 12:23, weeklyteam  wrote:
> The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
> is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
> happening in the openstreetmap world: 
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
> to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more 
> about how to write a post here: 
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

Dear Weekly Team,

Thank you for your efforts producing the weekly summary.

Is there any reason the Upcoming Events table does not include the
Toronto meetup on October 7? I added it to the calendar on September
29: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACalendar=revision=1908808=1908622
and I would like to know if I made a mistake.

The meetup is: https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/265246337/

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-it] inserimento postamat piccoli comuni

[Ivo Reano]

> Non credo che "100 abitanti = scarsa mappatura".
>
+1


> P.S.: vivo in un paese di 112 abitanti ed è mappato pure l'albero di
> Natale... 
>

natural=christmas_tree
oppure

artificial=tree
+
christmas_tree=yes

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[Talk-ko] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[weeklyteam]

매주 일어나는 OSM 소식을 종합한, 480번째 주간OSM이 발행되었습니다.

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/ko/archives/12433/

읽어 주셔서 감사합니다!
셨나요? 그냥 https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login 에 들어가서 오픈스트리트맵 계정으로 로그인하기만 하면 됩니다. 
기사 작성법 등의 정보는 여기를 참조하세요.
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[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 480, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12433/

¡Disfruta!

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miembro? Simplemente ingresa a https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con tu 
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[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 480, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12433/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-es] semanarioOSM Nº 480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 480, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12433/

¡Disfruta!

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[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 480, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12433/

¡Disfruta!

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[talk-latam] semanarioOSM Nº 480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 480, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12433/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-bo] semanarioOSM Nº 480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 480, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12433/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[theweekly . osm]

Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 480, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/12433/

Aproveite!

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sem ser membro? Basta fazer login em https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login com 
sua conta OSM e usar a conta de convidado. Leia mais sobre como escrever um 
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[Talk-pt] semanárioOSM Nº 480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[theweekly . osm]

Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 480, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/12433/

Aproveite!

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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/

Enjoy! 

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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/

Enjoy! 

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[Talk-in] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

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is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/

Enjoy! 

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/

Enjoy! 

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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/

Enjoy! 

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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/

Enjoy! 

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[Talk-africa] weeklyOSM #480 2019-09-24-2019-09-30

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 480,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12433/

Enjoy! 

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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Marcello]

Il 06/10/19 10:16, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
> potresti anche aggiungere un commento al changeset (in questa maniera 
> l’utente riceve una notifica)
>
> Ciao Martin 
>
Non avendo trovato altri modi più volte ho aggiunto il commento ai
changeset dove era richiesta la verifica, specificando se l'inserimento
era corretto o dando indicazioni sulle etichette più appropriate da
mettere, suggerendo pagine wiki o altro, senza correggere direttamente
gli errori.

Non ho mai ricevuto alcun feedback, quindi ho dei dubbi sul
funzionamento, o il check viene inserito in automatico e l'utente non se
ne rende conto oppure non riceve le notifiche, perché se viene
volutamente richiesto un controllo mi aspetterei una risposta.

-- 
Ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] inserimento postamat piccoli comuni

[Andreas Lattmann]

>il problema nasce dal fatto che questi >comunelli hanno poco più di cento, 
>>trecento abitanti e quindi difficilmente >saranno oggetto di una rilievo 
>specifico e >quindi la presenza della macchinetta sarà un "segreto" 
>circoscritto alla popolazione locale... 

Non credo che "100 abitanti = scarsa mappatura". 
Ho già visto in un paese più grande del mio che è stato posizionato il 
postamat. Tempo un giorno e lo mappo.

P.S.: vivo in un paese di 112 abitanti ed è mappato pure l'albero di  Natale... 


--
樂

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[talk-au] Kingston (Norfolk Island) capital tag

[Joachim]

Hello Aussie mappers,

a quick heads-up that i plan to change the capital tag[1] in Kingston
(Norfolk Island) from "yes" to "4".[2]
Rationale: Norfolk Island is not self-governing any more[3] and the
boundary is admin_level=4 [4].

Seems to me a no-brainer but I don't want to step on any local feet ;)

Best regards, Joachim (Jojo4u)

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capital
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2470797094
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Norfolk_Island
[4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2574988

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: "Guide" à l'entrée d'une écluse ou d'un pont mobile

[Yves P.]

>
> Suite à ton indice, j'ai trouvé cette bible "Symboles, abréviations et
> termesutilisés sur les cartes marines papier
> "
>
En poursuivant mes recherches, j'ai trouvé ceci dans la section *Installations
portuaires* 29.1 :

   - Barrage flottant (de sécurité, etc.), pannes, parcs à bois, barrières
   antiglace, filets à requin
   - Floating barrier, e.g. security, containment booms (ice, logs, oil),
   shark nets

ça pourrait être une *panne* (flottante), *boom* en anglais.

*Panne*. f (cf. OHI  S-32
)

   1. Barrière flottante formée de pièces de bois réunies par des câbles ou
   des chaînes et utilisée pour fermer l'entrée d'un PORT ou d'un COURS D'EAU,
   ou pour délimiter une zone protégée afin de faciliter le stockage. On dit
   aussi panne de barrage, estacade flottante, barrière flottante, barrage
   flottant.
   2. APPONTEMENT léger comportant des postes d’AMARRAGE pour des BÂTIMENTS
   de petit tonnage.


ça colle avec la description des seamark:

   - seamark:type=obstruction
    (In
   marine navigation, anything that hinders or prevents movement, particularly
   anything that endangers or prevents passage of a vessel.)
   +
   - seamark:obstruction:category=
   

   boom
   

   (A floating barrier used to protect a river or harbour mouth or to create a
   sheltered area for storage purposes.)
   ou
   - seamark:obstruction:category=ice_boom
   

   (Floating barriers, anchored to the bottom, used to deflect the path of
   floating ice in order to prevent the obstruction of locks, intakes, etc.,
   and to prevent damage to bridge piers and other structures.)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Projet OpenMaps

[Cédric Frayssinet]

Bonjour,

Et merci pour vos retours. Je n'ai pas forcément pensé immédiatement
l'application comme outils de contributions mais plutôt un outil à avoir
sur soi pour switcher facilement entre les services éparpillés sur le web.

On peut imaginer le scénario suivant (purement fictif, hein ^^) : Je
veux aller manger dans un restau végétarien au centre d'une petite ville
de province.

- je lance l'application et OpenRouteService pour trouver le trajet adapté,
- je switche sur OpenfuelMap pour faire le plein moins cher,
- je switche sur FreeParking pour trouver un parking gratuit,
- je switche sur OpenVegeMap et avant, je peux avoir basculé sur
OpenBeerMap pour trouver le bar avec ma bière préféré :)

Bref, l'idée est une application simple et je trouve que l'application
s'y prête mieux qu'un navigateur sur mobile.
De plus, je suis de plus en plus surpris par l'usage des smartphones des
gens 'normaux'. La plupart se contente de recherches dans le champ
Google pour afficher le navigateur, ils n'ont pas l'usage des
marque-pages, historique ou raccourcis sur le bureau du smartphone.

Concernant la contribution, je l'ai rajouté après car il m'arrive
souvent de lancer la navigateur pour avoir le rendu osm.org afin de
savoir si certains POI que je croise sont déjà dans la base. C'est la
contribution avec OsmAnd qui me rend méfiant. En ajoutant, OpenAdvert ou
MapContrib, cela pourrait être pratique de tout avoir sous la main.

Cédric

Le 06/10/2019 à 14:46, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> Question peut-être idiote :
> Pourquoi une appli et pas un site web ?
>
> Stf
>
> Le 06/10/2019 à 14:03, PanierAvide a écrit :
>> Bonjour Cédric,
>>
>> Content de découvrir cette application, ça me semble très prometteur
>> pour faire la promotion de la diversité des données d'OSM. Avec
>> quelques fonctionnalités en plus (liens vers les applis mobiles,
>> ajout de notes ?) ça pourrait même devenir un bon couteau suisse de
>> contribution ;-)
>>
>> Cordialement,
>>
>> Adrien P.
>>
>> Le 06/10/2019 à 10:43, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit :
>>> Bonjour à tous,
>>>
>>> Quand je suis en formation SNT, pour présenter OpenStreetMap, j'ai
>>> tendance à afficher quelques cartes thématiques pour montrer la
>>> richesse
>>> de l'éco-système OpenStreetMap. Et puis, jeudi, lors d'une
>>> formation, je
>>> me suis dit que ce serait pas mal d'avoir une appli qui me recense ces
>>> cartes.
>>>
>>> J'en ai parlé à Tom79, le talentueux développeur de Fedilab
>>> (application
>>> pour Mastodon, PeerTube, Pleroma, PixelFed...) qui m'a codé cela hier.
>>>
>>> L'application OpenMaps est donc née et elle propose un unique bouton
>>> menu qui permet de switcher très rapidement sur les différentes cartes
>>> basées sur OSM, classées par catégories.
>>>
>>> J'ai donc la toute première version à vous soumettre, l'apk est sur la
>>> page du projet ici : https://framagit.org/tom79/openmaps
>>>
>>> Dites-moi ce que vous en pensez :)
>>>
>>> Bon dimanche !
>>>
>>> Cédric
>>>
>>> PS : il y a un bug sur MapContrib, je ne sais pas bien pourquoi...
>>>
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[OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

[Lars-Daniel Weber]

Dear users,

I'm often intersecting geodata with a license, which is in a 
non-ODbL-compatible license, with OSM data to enrich this data. Normally, I'm 
doing this for internal (private) use only, but I want to publish such a 
dataset now.

For example, I'm getting postal ZIP codes from OSM and add these to other POI 
data. I'm keeping the original ZIP codes from the source and the ZIP codes from 
OSM and I'm not completing the ZIP codes by each other - they don't interact, 
I'm not removing duplicates and they're in two different columns. Of course, 
ZIP codes don't seem to be a substantial part, but the data is related by each 
other, since I've intersected (joined) both datasets.

Is the joined result a "Collective Database" or a "Produced Work", since it 
only contains a non-substantial part (only one string column) from OSM?

Sincerely yours,
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[OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles

[Lars-Daniel Weber]

Dear users,

I've drawn a map based on the official OpenStreetMap tiles, which are licensed 
under CC-BY-SA 2.0 using QGIS. The result is stored as a shapefile. The 
shapefile should be published to students to work with it. It might be printed 
and shared otherwise.

Most of the time during the drawing, I've oriented myself on elements existing 
in OSM (rivers, streets etc.), but sometimes I've divided areas by own 
knowledge or by own needs. The resulting shapefile doesn't contain OSM data 
(nothing got extracted) and it doesn't have the quality to contribute back to 
OSM (I've generalized the geometries by hand).

Is this a "produced work"? Can I release the shapefile under my own license, 
but attribute each element as "based on OpenStreetMap"? What license shall I 
point to? Since it's not directly based on the ODbL data (it's based on the 
rendered style), will data extracted from the map from others fall under ODbL 
again?

Sincerely yours,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Projet OpenMaps

[Stéphane Péneau]

Question peut-être idiote :
Pourquoi une appli et pas un site web ?

Stf

Le 06/10/2019 à 14:03, PanierAvide a écrit :

Bonjour Cédric,

Content de découvrir cette application, ça me semble très prometteur 
pour faire la promotion de la diversité des données d'OSM. Avec 
quelques fonctionnalités en plus (liens vers les applis mobiles, ajout 
de notes ?) ça pourrait même devenir un bon couteau suisse de 
contribution ;-)


Cordialement,

Adrien P.

Le 06/10/2019 à 10:43, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,

Quand je suis en formation SNT, pour présenter OpenStreetMap, j'ai
tendance à afficher quelques cartes thématiques pour montrer la richesse
de l'éco-système OpenStreetMap. Et puis, jeudi, lors d'une formation, je
me suis dit que ce serait pas mal d'avoir une appli qui me recense ces
cartes.

J'en ai parlé à Tom79, le talentueux développeur de Fedilab (application
pour Mastodon, PeerTube, Pleroma, PixelFed...) qui m'a codé cela hier.

L'application OpenMaps est donc née et elle propose un unique bouton
menu qui permet de switcher très rapidement sur les différentes cartes
basées sur OSM, classées par catégories.

J'ai donc la toute première version à vous soumettre, l'apk est sur la
page du projet ici : https://framagit.org/tom79/openmaps

Dites-moi ce que vous en pensez :)

Bon dimanche !

Cédric

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Projet OpenMaps

[PanierAvide]

Bonjour Cédric,

Content de découvrir cette application, ça me semble très prometteur 
pour faire la promotion de la diversité des données d'OSM. Avec quelques 
fonctionnalités en plus (liens vers les applis mobiles, ajout de notes 
?) ça pourrait même devenir un bon couteau suisse de contribution ;-)


Cordialement,

Adrien P.

Le 06/10/2019 à 10:43, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,

Quand je suis en formation SNT, pour présenter OpenStreetMap, j'ai
tendance à afficher quelques cartes thématiques pour montrer la richesse
de l'éco-système OpenStreetMap. Et puis, jeudi, lors d'une formation, je
me suis dit que ce serait pas mal d'avoir une appli qui me recense ces
cartes.

J'en ai parlé à Tom79, le talentueux développeur de Fedilab (application
pour Mastodon, PeerTube, Pleroma, PixelFed...) qui m'a codé cela hier.

L'application OpenMaps est donc née et elle propose un unique bouton
menu qui permet de switcher très rapidement sur les différentes cartes
basées sur OSM, classées par catégories.

J'ai donc la toute première version à vous soumettre, l'apk est sur la
page du projet ici : https://framagit.org/tom79/openmaps

Dites-moi ce que vous en pensez :)

Bon dimanche !

Cédric

PS : il y a un bug sur MapContrib, je ne sais pas bien pourquoi...


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[OSM-talk-fr] Importer/exporter facilement filtres JOSM

[Axel Listes]

Bonjour,

Je gère actuellement un projet visant à introduire des données relatives
à l'intérieur de bâtiments publics dans OSM, en se basant dans un
premier temps sur les plans de la collectivité.

Ce projet a pour but de proposer aux habitants de participer à
l'introduction des données.
L'approche est encore au stade de tâtonnements, et nous avons rencontré
des difficultés à introduire les données avec JOSM, faute d'avoir un
système de calques satisfaisant.

L'idée a été de contourner la problématique en ne respectant pas
forcement à la lettre les recommandations du Mapping Indoor indiquées
sur le Wiki. Seulement après réalisation il s'est avéré que le résultat
ne convenait pas.

J'ai donc ce matin effectué des tests en créant moi-même des filtres sur
JOSM, correspondants plus aux besoins. J'aimerais maintenant pouvoir
exporter ces filtres, et les importer facilement dans d'autres clients
JOSM. Je ne trouve pas de fonctionnalité le permettant, avez-vous une idée ?

Bien cordialement, Axel.

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[Talk-transit] Mapping bus lines in Zambia using JOSM's PT_Assistant plugin

[Jo]

Hi,

Tonight at 21:00 CEST I'll do a hangout where we'll map or correct some bus
lines in Zambia. Let me know if you are interested, then I'll invite you 5
minutes before it starts.

Jo (Polyglot)
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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT Microgrants 2020 - Call for Applications

[Rebecca Firth]

Hi there,

Thanks for your email.

> The form to pitch your project is relatively simple
>
> Note that pitch form is limited to public YouTube videos.
>
> Solely in places where YouTube is unavailable it is possible to
> send a private proposal, also limited to a video form.
>
> It is going to significantly discourage people
> that are not native English speakers or are
> not fans of agreeing to YouTube terms.
>

The form clearly states 'We prefer you upload your videos to YouTube, but
will accept submissions on other platforms (such as Google Drive) should
YouTube not be available in your region.', we're happy to receive videos in
other formats if some groups would like to do that, they can get in touch
with us to confirm the approach they'd like to take. Similarly, if people
want to record a video in another language we can do our best to find a
translator who would be able to add subtitles on the video in English.


> andyou can reach out to microgra...@hotosm.org with any questions.
> Pitches are due by *9 October*.
>
> Online form mentions
>
> "Applications must be submitted no later than 12 midnight EST on
> Wednesday, October 16"
>

We decided last week to extend the application period to allow more time
for groups to prepare their videos. This is reflected on the online form,
blog, and HOT Twitter.

Thanks,

Rebecca


On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

> 2 Oct 2019, 11:30 by rebecca.fi...@hotosm.org:
>
> The form to pitch your project is relatively simple
>
> Note that pitch form is limited to public YouTube videos.
>
> Solely in places where YouTube is unavailable it is possible to
> send a private proposal, also limited to a video form.
>
> It is going to significantly discourage people
> that are not native English speakers or are
> not fans of agreeing to YouTube terms.
>
>
> andyou can reach out to microgra...@hotosm.org with any questions.
> Pitches are due by *9 October*.
>
> Online form mentions
>
> "Applications must be submitted no later than 12 midnight EST on
> Wednesday, October 16"
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[OSM-talk-fr] traduction wiki josm : Fr:Help,/Action/Draw

[lenny.libre]

Bonjour !

Je met à jour la page 
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Fr%3AHelp/Action/Draw
Qui est la traduction de la page 
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Action/Draw


Le paragraphe "Try it yourself" indique :
Open josmwiki-actiondraw.osm​ using menu item "File > Open Location ..." 
(Ctrl+L).

qui lorsqu'on édite la page est écrit
Open [attachment:josmwiki-actiondraw.osm josmwiki-actiondraw.osm] using 
menu item [wiki:/Help/Menu/File "File > Open Location ..." (Ctrl+L)].


Je rencontre deux problèmes :

1. Lorsque, dans josm,  j'ouvre l’emplacement
   
"https://josm.openstreetmap.de/attachment/wiki/Help/Action/Draw/josmwiki-actiondraw.osm;
   ; j'obtiens le message "Aucune donnée n'a été trouvée dans cette zone"
2. Lorsque j'édite la page française en traduisant la ligne par :
   Ouvrir [attachment:josmwiki-actiondraw.osm josmwiki-actiondraw.osm]
   en utilisant l'option du menu [wikitr:/Help/Menu/File "Fichier >
   Ouvrir Un Emplacement ..." (Ctrl+L)].
   Le lien n'est pas cliquable comme dans la version anglaise

Savez-vous comment régler ces deux problèmes ?

Cordialement

Leni

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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il dom 6 ott 2019, 11:10 Andrea Albani  ha scritto:

>
>
> Il giorno dom 6 ott 2019 alle ore 09:46 Cascafico Giovanni <
> cascaf...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Alla fine, se il tutto si basa su un tag del changeset, si può creare un
>> alert su osmcha.mapbox.com
>>
>> impostato il filtro,
>>
>
> Mi sembra che con osmcha non si possa filtrare un changeset tag arbitrario
> come review_requested, ma solo alcuni classici... sbaglio ?
>

Cerca tra i filtri "reason for flagging"...
"Review requested" è tra i predefiniti.

Però sul dopo review, non saprei come gestire la chiusura

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Re: [OSM-ja] 太陽電池のマッピングについて

[ribbon]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 11:25:17AM +0900, Taro MORI (Talk-ja 経由) wrote:
> ありがとうございました．
> 下記のように描いてみました．
> 一応，location, orientaion, start_dateをわかる範囲で書き込みました．
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/75331007

全体を power=plant にしたほうがいいのかもしれません。

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Tag:power=plant

に例があります。

あと、そばにある四谷学院って、prep_school のような気がするのですが、prep_school タグって
有効なのでしょうか>詳しい人

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Re: [talk-au] Discussion I: Quality is the coherence of four things

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

I am concerned by the high frequency of reference to "laws and
regulations" and "Australian Tagging Guidelines". If it is true that
"95% of paths to do not comply with Australian Tagging Guidelines" then
I would suggest to adapt the guidelines to actual practice. After all,
hundreds of users have made meaningful contributions to the path network
but only a handful of people have made meaningful contributions to the
wiki page section on paths!

OSM is generally not a project where some people think up guidelines and
others then follow them; most guidelines are more of a "best practices"
document.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Andrea Albani]

Il giorno dom 6 ott 2019 alle ore 09:59 Ivo Reano  ha
scritto:

> Sono d'accordo con Ferruccio, l'argomento è interessante; dovrebbe essere
> il modo con cui i senior aiutano chi affronta le sue prime mappature.
>
>
>> Altra cosa: per la sezione segnalata del sito hdyc, cosa c'entra una
>> richiesta di revisione con dei changeset sospetti?
>>
>
> Questo è un bel problema! Sarebbe meglio un servizio ad hoc. Ma al limite
> sapendo come fare ci arrangiamo.
>
> Altro problema è che il tag del changeset non può essere cambiato! Come
> faccio a sapere se il changeset  già stato visionato o meno?
>
> Per l'eventuale correzione o meglio suggerimento ed istruzione, ho scritto
> un commento sul changeset...
> In questa maniera mando un feedback all'user e segnalo a "tutti" che
> qualcuno ha già visionato il lavoro.
>
>
La procedura è (purtroppo) quella che hai descritto e, diciamocelo... è un
accrocchio inventato per usare quello che abbiamo (OSM API in primis).
L'ideale sarebbe impostare un flag sul changeset che indichi "validazione
eseguita", ma demandiamo questa funzione all'aggiunta di un commento, cosa
che rende praticamente impossibile effettuare delle query per sapere cosa è
stato validato e cosa no.
Comunque oggi abbiamo più di 43000 [1] changeset con quel flag chissà
quanti sono stati "trattati".

[1]
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=review_requested=yes#2/13.2/9.8
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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Andrea Albani]

Il giorno dom 6 ott 2019 alle ore 10:15 Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
> osmcha ti fa segnalare un changeset come buono o problematico.
>
>
Corretto, ma il dato rimane dentro nel db di osmcha... non viene riportato
su OSM. Quindi devi gestire il workflow all'interno del tool
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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Andrea Albani]

Il giorno dom 6 ott 2019 alle ore 09:46 Cascafico Giovanni <
cascaf...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Alla fine, se il tutto si basa su un tag del changeset, si può creare un
> alert su osmcha.mapbox.com
>
> impostato il filtro,
>

Mi sembra che con osmcha non si possa filtrare un changeset tag arbitrario
come review_requested, ma solo alcuni classici... sbaglio ?

si copia il link del relativo feed in un feed reader (c'è pure un bot
> telegram che lo fa)
>
> Altra cosa: per la sezione segnalata del sito hdyc, cosa c'entra una
> richiesta di revisione con dei changeset sospetti?
>

Nulla. Quello di Neis è semplicemente un tool che ti permette di fare query
sui metadati dei changeset: questi vengono elencati tutti in funzione del
filtro e a prescindere dalla loro bontà. Sta a te poi valutare se sono
suspect o meno in funzione dei parametri riportati
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[OSM-talk-fr] Sur 01net L’incroyable histoire de Waze, la carte routière la plus précise au monde... conçue par des bénévoles

[PierreV]

https://www.01net.com/actualites/l-incroyable-histoire-de-waze-la-carte-routiere-la-plus-precise-au-monde-concue-par-des-benevoles-1777628.html

On contacte 01net pour leur proposer un article sur OSM qui est encore plus
"génial" que Waze car réutilisable par n'importe qui?

Par contre le fait que waze n'utile pas de "fonds cartographique"
contrairement a OSM, c'est un peu faux :
car d'après wikipédia Waze a acheté quelques données dans certains pays

apparemment c'est le premier d'une série d'articles:
https://twitter.com/LelloucheNico/status/1180427218067087362



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[OSM-talk-fr] Projet OpenMaps

[Cédric Frayssinet]

Bonjour à tous,

Quand je suis en formation SNT, pour présenter OpenStreetMap, j'ai
tendance à afficher quelques cartes thématiques pour montrer la richesse
de l'éco-système OpenStreetMap. Et puis, jeudi, lors d'une formation, je
me suis dit que ce serait pas mal d'avoir une appli qui me recense ces
cartes.

J'en ai parlé à Tom79, le talentueux développeur de Fedilab (application
pour Mastodon, PeerTube, Pleroma, PixelFed...) qui m'a codé cela hier.

L'application OpenMaps est donc née et elle propose un unique bouton
menu qui permet de switcher très rapidement sur les différentes cartes
basées sur OSM, classées par catégories.

J'ai donc la toute première version à vous soumettre, l'apk est sur la
page du projet ici : https://framagit.org/tom79/openmaps

Dites-moi ce que vous en pensez :)

Bon dimanche !

Cédric

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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

potresti anche aggiungere un commento al changeset (in questa maniera l’utente 
riceve una notifica)

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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 6. Oct 2019, at 09:59, Ivo Reano  wrote:
> 
> Altro problema è che il tag del changeset non può essere cambiato! Come 
> faccio a sapere se il changeset  già stato visionato o meno?


osmcha ti fa segnalare un changeset come buono o problematico.

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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Ivo Reano]

Sono d'accordo con Ferruccio, l'argomento è interessante; dovrebbe essere
il modo con cui i senior aiutano chi affronta le sue prime mappature.


> Altra cosa: per la sezione segnalata del sito hdyc, cosa c'entra una
> richiesta di revisione con dei changeset sospetti?
>

Questo è un bel problema! Sarebbe meglio un servizio ad hoc. Ma al limite
sapendo come fare ci arrangiamo.

Altro problema è che il tag del changeset non può essere cambiato! Come
faccio a sapere se il changeset  già stato visionato o meno?

Per l'eventuale correzione o meglio suggerimento ed istruzione, ho scritto
un commento sul changeset...
In questa maniera mando un feedback all'user e segnalo a "tutti" che
qualcuno ha già visionato il lavoro.
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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Alla fine, se il tutto si basa su un tag del changeset, si può creare un
alert su osmcha.mapbox.com

impostato il filtro,
si copia il link del relativo feed in un feed reader (c'è pure un bot
telegram che lo fa)

Altra cosa: per la sezione segnalata del sito hdyc, cosa c'entra una
richiesta di revisione con dei changeset sospetti?

Il dom 6 ott 2019, 08:12 canfe  ha scritto:

> Ti ringrazio per la celere risposta.
> Servirebbe, a mio avviso, qualcosa di più di un limite a 96 ore.
> Ho provato a modificare manualmente l'url, ma sembra che non cambi nulla.
>
> canfe = Cantone Ferruccio
>
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Re: [Talk-it] inserimento postamat piccoli comuni

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Si porrebbe intanto impostare uno scraping, però ho guardato un paio di
pdf, ma non ho visto indirizzi. Qualche link d'esempio?

Il dom 6 ott 2019, 08:48 Alessandro Sarretta 
ha scritto:

> On 05/10/19 11:17, Lorenzo Rolla wrote:
>
> @Andrea: chiaro il concetto di inserire "ictu oculi"; il problema nasce
> dal fatto che questi comunelli hanno poco più di cento, trecento abitanti e
> quindi difficilmente saranno oggetto di una rilievo specifico e quindi la
> presenza della macchinetta sarà un "segreto" circoscritto alla popolazione
> locale...
>
> Beh, in realtà vedo moltissimi comuni con migliaia di abitanti e vari con
> decine di migliaia (ad es Alessandria)...
>
> Come compromesso, avevo pensato di inserire il tag nei pressi dei locali
> del municipio (generalmente la macchinetta viene collocata lì), inserendo
> la nota "da posizionare". A questo punto farò una selezione e tralascerò le
> note stampa che NON contengono riferimenti topografici.
> Allego il link da cui trarrò le indicazioni.
> https://www.posteitaliane.it/it/postamat-installati.html
> @Francesco: in questi comuni l'ufficio postale non esiste proprio...
>
> un'affermazione un po' azzardata mi pare...
>
> Comunque un'altra possibilità per migliorare localizzazione e controllo
> (da remoto) è quella di usare anche Mapillary (nel caso ci sia copertura)
> per verificare presenza sia dell'ufficio postale sia dell'atm.
>
> Ale
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Re: [Talk-it] inserimento postamat piccoli comuni

[Alessandro Sarretta]

On 05/10/19 11:17, Lorenzo Rolla wrote:
@Andrea: chiaro il concetto di inserire "ictu oculi"; il problema 
nasce dal fatto che questi comunelli hanno poco più di cento, trecento 
abitanti e quindi difficilmente saranno oggetto di una rilievo 
specifico e quindi la presenza della macchinetta sarà un "segreto" 
circoscritto alla popolazione locale...
Beh, in realtà vedo moltissimi comuni con migliaia di abitanti e vari 
con decine di migliaia (ad es Alessandria)...
Come compromesso, avevo pensato di inserire il tag nei pressi dei 
locali del municipio (generalmente la macchinetta viene collocata lì), 
inserendo la nota "da posizionare". A questo punto farò una selezione 
e tralascerò le note stampa che NON contengono riferimenti topografici.

Allego il link da cui trarrò le indicazioni.
https://www.posteitaliane.it/it/postamat-installati.html
@Francesco: in questi comuni l'ufficio postale non esiste proprio...


un'affermazione un po' azzardata mi pare...

Comunque un'altra possibilità per migliorare localizzazione e controllo 
(da remoto) è quella di usare anche Mapillary (nel caso ci sia 
copertura) per verificare presenza sia dell'ufficio postale sia dell'atm.


Ale


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[talk-au] Discussion I: Quality is the coherence of four things

[Herbert.Remi via Talk-au]

# Discussion I: Quality is the coherence of four things
Lots of good news but some bad.

Another way to look at the quality of the OSM data is the coherence of four 
things:
1. What is found on the ground (real life)
2. The actual tagging found in OSM dataset
3. The Australian Tagging Guidelines and OSM Wiki standards
4. Laws and regulations in that state/territory

The first is hardest to check and is business as usual with OSM.

The last two can be reviewed (law review) at regular intervals (annually) and 
Australian Tagging Guidelines updated for that state/territory accordingly 
(easy to do).

The second, the actual tagging, is the cause of the quality issues in the ACT. 
The other three appear to be pretty good, but the actual tagging of paths in 
the ACT is inconsistent. The lack of coherence with the other three is a 
quality issue.

My latest estimate is 95% of the paths do not comply with the Australian 
Tagging Guidelines. The Australian Tagging Guidelines do seem to be consistent 
with ACT law. That’s a big positive.

The issue here is the inconsistency of the mappers. That’s you and me as a 
group. Have you ever seen a bunch of five-year-olds play football? This is the 
problem we have. 

I am sure that it can be improved.

## QUESTION
Why does this happen?

I welcome your comments.
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[Talk-us] Opinions on micro parks

[Michael Patrick]

 > Case 1:  http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/case1.png
 Two small coastal areas that
look a bit like rock outcroppings. It is hard to imagine to me situation
where it would be leisure=park.

See https://www.nytimes.com/2018/ 
10/01/technology/california- beach-access-khosla.html
It isn't hard to imagine if you are a surfer, kayaker, canoist, fisherman.
These parks although they seem small are hugely important because they
provide public access to the water and shoreline below a certain tideline.
They are also frequently mentioned in fishing regulations. I don't know
exactly where this example is, but it's quite possible it might be the only
way to access miles of beach at low tide which would otherwise locked out
by private property. In Montana, for instance, you can float or wade any
stream below the high water mark. In Seattle, there are what appear to be
merely street ends that kayakers use to launch from.

> Case 2: > http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/case2.png
>  I am unfamiliar with CPAD 2018a and SCCGIS v5.

If you are mapping California, it covers these issues. Other states and
counties have published definitions.

> Is there a good reason to expect that their classification matches OSM
classification of objects?

No it it would not. CPAD was was put together built by consensus by
thousands of people from community groups, environmental NGOs, local
governments, and defined by classification experts that cross walked across
hundreds of definitions provided by the stakeholders. It incorporates
everybody's definition of a 'park', not just a couple of lines from a
dictionary.

> "It is a park in the sense of American English as of 2019. Whether it is
> a park according to OSM may be debatable, as it is an "unimproved" park,
> meaning it is under development as to improvements like restrooms and
> other amenities.

In Seattle, there are efforts to un-improve certain parks to restore them
as close as possible to native conditions, especially for salmon run
restoration, wildlife corridors, and plant species preservation.

> Note that it (IMHO correctly) explicitly mentions and excludes urban
forests.
See Las Wolski example at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=park?uselang=en <
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=park?uselang=en>

LoL!  " Forest within a city. This is not a park, as greenery is not fully
controlled"
Most of the Seattle Parks would not be parks, then. Also, that national
parks are " Parks in isolated, rural locations covering large, usually wild
areas" is not true, see https://www.nps.gov/subjects/urban/index.htm

I suspect that it may be situation here.
> Case 3:  http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/case3.png
> The highlighted area in the middle of the picture straddles a street and
> parts of an amenity=parking north and south of the street and seems to
> rather arbitrarily cut through the woodland at its northern edge.

Our county sometimes requires developers to provision for green space. A
friend of mine recently bought a house, and their owners association is
currently collecting ideas for theirs.

> Provided data - description and arterial is unable to distinguish between
a decorated park lot and a really small park. I would give low weight to
whatever it is officially considered as a county park

So here in Puget Sound, public lands and especially parks have been a focus
for over a hundred years ( Olmstead Brothers' 1903
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olmsted_parks_in_Seattle ), millions
of voters over decades deciding to taxing themselves for their county
government to establish parks, that county then designating those areas
according to the state laws, classifying and entering those boundaries into
one of the most accurate sophisticated 'open data' GIS systems in the
world. .

... and you would give their official definition 'low weight'?

> would love to have a rule of thumb that says "if it doesn't have a name
> (or if it's not more than  sq ft) then it's not a park, it is just
> some trees" or so.

The rule of thumb is if the local ground truth calls it a park., it is a
park. And, at least for the USA, there are thousands of secondary sources,
starting with the National Map, state, county, metropolitan, and city web
maps, NGO web maps.

> technically a "park" in some county GIS system, doesn't mean we have to
call it a park in OSM,

Of course not. Which makes a statement in itself about the ongoing
usefulness of OSM for data consumers and even ordinary people. While the
rest of the global spatial community is moving together and reconciling the
differences between spatial data models  like the EU Inspire effort ), OSM
does allow you the freedom to enter whatever you want even if it doesn't
match the the local community. Hmmm ... we need a new phrase, like 'Crowd
Source Imperialism' or 'Open Hegemony' or some such. :-)

> and the idea that any patch of earth with three
> trees on it and two 

Re: [talk-au] Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law

[Mateusz Konieczny]

6 Oct 2019, 00:47 by talk-au@openstreetmap.org:
> Under ACT law, pedestrian and cyclists are both allowed to use any 
> “footpath”. A "footpath" is any unsigned path separated from the road. There 
> were 2190km of these "footpaths" as of 30 June 2012.
> Conclusion: in the ACT, almost all “footpaths” are effectively shared.
> - highway=path
> - foot=designated
> - bicycle=designated
> - segregated=no
>
Are you sure that =designated is better
than =yes for unsigned ways?
>  pedestrian ONLY path
> -    highway=path
> -    foot=designated
> -    bicycle=no
>
Why not highway=footway?
>
>  cyclist ONLY path
> -    highway=path
> -    foot=no
> -    bicycle= designated“
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Re: [Talk-it] Vorrei che qualcuno controllasse le mie modifiche

[canfe]

Ti ringrazio per la celere risposta.
Servirebbe, a mio avviso, qualcosa di più di un limite a 96 ore.
Ho provato a modificare manualmente l'url, ma sembra che non cambi nulla.

canfe = Cantone Ferruccio



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