Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

[Jo]

Ich würde das warscheinlich mit getrennten service ways mappen.

Bon solchen Regeln have ich noch nie gehört.

Jo

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 00:59 Volker via Talk-de 
wrote:

> Auch wenn ich von dieser Entscheidung noch nichts gehört habe, gibt es
> ein ungeschriebenes Gesetz bei OSM:*"Wir mappen nicht für Renderer und
> Router."* Ich denke auch, dass man auf Grund der on the Ground Regel,
> dass mappen sollte, was da ist; incl. der Barrieren, Schranken, Tunnel
> und Überdachungen etc. Wer an solchen Mautstellen nicht auf Sicht fährt
> sondern auf sein Navi hört, ist selbst dran schuld. Vom Navi muss halt
> dann eine Ansage kommen:"Bitte nutzen sie die nächste freie
> Abfertigungsspur in Richtung..." Aber das ist Sache der Naviprogrammierer.
>
> Gruß
>
> aeonesa
>
> Am 21.08.2020 um 18:50 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> > Ich würde Euch gerne um eine Einschätzung bitten: an den Mautstellen in
> Italien (und anderswo) splittet sich die Fahrbahn üblicherweise in mehrere
> Teile, grundsätzlich physisch getrennt durch meist Betonwände,
> Fußgängertunnel (gelegentlich/oft?), Leitplanken und Kassiererhäuschen,
> Beispielbild hier:
> >
> http://image.nanopress.it/r/623X0/www.nanopress.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/casello-autostradsle.jpg
> >
> > Die einzelnen Durchfahrten haben z.T. auch spezielle Eigenschaften
> (akzeptierte Zahlungsmittel, und ob eine Person da ist oder nur ein
> Automat, und für LKW) die
> >
> > Im italienischen Telegramm-Chat wird nun behauptet dass aufgrund von
> Entscheidungen der internationalen Community an diesen Stellen der highway
> nicht aufgesplittet werden darf, weil das angeblich die Naviprogramme
> überfordern würde, und dass alle mit mehr als einem highway pro Richtung
> gemappten Stellen jeweils zurückgebaut werden müssen.
> >
> > Kennt Ihr solche Entscheidungen?
> > Wäre es nicht eher dem System entsprechend, aufgrund der baulichen
> Trennungen den highway aufzufächern?
> >
> >
> > Gruß Martin
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Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

[stevea]

> This makes sense; however, on the other hand, I can't think of a
> situation where someone grants blanket access to the public to drive on
> their home's driveway whenever they want, so access=private seems like
> it would be correct for 99% of cases.
> 
> However, I do agree that because of this custom, it makes sense instead
> just to leave it highway=service + service=driveway, and leave off the
> access tag for these kinds of automated bulk additions.
> 
> Thanks for your input!
> -- 
> Skyler

Something for a representative of Amazon Logistics (who can influence tagging 
among Amazon delivery vehicle drivers who also add tags to the map) to 
consider:  what do you think of as the semantics of OSM's access=destination 
tag (it is defined in our wiki) and perhaps adding it to driveways you visit?  
Just a thought, but it would be good for a super-participant who feels 
comfortable speaking from experience and not afraid to perhaps assert some 
authority for "how the company would like to tag and see tagging."  What does 
this tag mean now?  What might Amazon and OSM users worldwide think it means as 
its use is more sharply defined through a certain kind of use, because we 
talked about it some more here.  That's a good conversation we might have here. 
 Or on the tagging list.

Let's talk about it; we're here on talk and doing so and it's not crystal clear 
and does seem to blend into access=destination.

SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 8:36 PM Clay Smalley  wrote:

> For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban
> for the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting
> right now: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3850
>
> jdd 3, please take a break. You have better things to do.
>
> I look forward to when you demonstrate the ability to communicate
> collaboratively.
>

I feel like now is a good time to remind folks that the wiki should be
descriptive of how things are actually mapped, not strictly proscriptive.
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Re: [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 8:36 PM Clay Smalley  wrote:

> For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban
> for the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting
> right now: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3850
>
> jdd 3, please take a break. You have better things to do.
>
> I look forward to when you demonstrate the ability to communicate
> collaboratively.
>

I feel like now is a good time to remind folks that the wiki should be
descriptive of how things are actually mapped, not strictly proscriptive.
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

[Clay Smalley]

For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban
for the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting
right now: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3850

jdd 3, please take a break. You have better things to do.

I look forward to when you demonstrate the ability to communicate
collaboratively.

Best,
Clay

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:08 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us <
talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> FYI;
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism
>
> Purposeful removal or degradation of data that are known to be correct,
>
> Deliberate adding incorrect data;
>
> People who revert other people's work should expect to be able to
> demonstrate that the reversion was well reasoned and proportionate to the
> issue.
>
> Not There;
> Unverified  if someone puts in 400 +  unverified tags in one edit,
>
> If someone reverts, 400 + edits,  in one edit, done on good faith by
> others over the years to conform to there way of thinking,
>
> If someone deletes, 400 + edits,  in one edit, done on good faith by
> others over the years to conform to there way of thinking,
>
> If someone refuses to let others, edit because they have taken over
> that type edit, all bus stops in the same area,
> all train stations in the same area, all boundaries in the same area.
>
> Edits that do not conform to the subject wiki.
>
> if someone downloads data that will create one mulitipolygon, against all
> wikis
>
> Also there is no wiki on unverified edits.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

[Clay Smalley]

For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban
for the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting
right now: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3850

jdd 3, please take a break. You have better things to do.

I look forward to when you demonstrate the ability to communicate
collaboratively.

Best,
Clay

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:08 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us <
talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> FYI;
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism
>
> Purposeful removal or degradation of data that are known to be correct,
>
> Deliberate adding incorrect data;
>
> People who revert other people's work should expect to be able to
> demonstrate that the reversion was well reasoned and proportionate to the
> issue.
>
> Not There;
> Unverified  if someone puts in 400 +  unverified tags in one edit,
>
> If someone reverts, 400 + edits,  in one edit, done on good faith by
> others over the years to conform to there way of thinking,
>
> If someone deletes, 400 + edits,  in one edit, done on good faith by
> others over the years to conform to there way of thinking,
>
> If someone refuses to let others, edit because they have taken over
> that type edit, all bus stops in the same area,
> all train stations in the same area, all boundaries in the same area.
>
> Edits that do not conform to the subject wiki.
>
> if someone downloads data that will create one mulitipolygon, against all
> wikis
>
> Also there is no wiki on unverified edits.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

FYI;
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism
 
Purposeful removal or degradation of data that are known to be correct,
 
Deliberate adding incorrect data;
 
People who revert other people's work should expect to be able to demonstrate 
that the reversion was well reasoned and proportionate to the issue.
 
Not There;
Unverified     if someone puts in 400 +   unverified  tags in one edit,
 
If someone reverts, 400 + edits,  in one edit, done on good faith by others 
over the years to conform to there way of thinking,
 
If someone deletes, 400 + edits,  in one edit, done on good faith by others 
over the years to conform to there way of thinking,
 
If someone refuses to let others, edit because they have taken over that type 
edit, all bus stops in the same area,
all train stations in the same area, all boundaries in the same area.
 
Edits that do not conform to the subject wiki. 
 
if someone downloads data that will create one mulitipolygon, against all wikis
 
Also there is no wiki on unverified edits.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

[80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us]

FYI;
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism
 
Purposeful removal or degradation of data that are known to be correct,
 
Deliberate adding incorrect data;
 
People who revert other people's work should expect to be able to demonstrate 
that the reversion was well reasoned and proportionate to the issue.
 
Not There;
Unverified     if someone puts in 400 +   unverified  tags in one edit,
 
If someone reverts, 400 + edits,  in one edit, done on good faith by others 
over the years to conform to there way of thinking,
 
If someone deletes, 400 + edits,  in one edit, done on good faith by others 
over the years to conform to there way of thinking,
 
If someone refuses to let others, edit because they have taken over that type 
edit, all bus stops in the same area,
all train stations in the same area, all boundaries in the same area.
 
Edits that do not conform to the subject wiki. 
 
if someone downloads data that will create one mulitipolygon, against all wikis
 
Also there is no wiki on unverified edits.
 
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Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

[Volker via Talk-de]

Auch wenn ich von dieser Entscheidung noch nichts gehört habe, gibt es
ein ungeschriebenes Gesetz bei OSM:*"Wir mappen nicht für Renderer und
Router."* Ich denke auch, dass man auf Grund der on the Ground Regel,
dass mappen sollte, was da ist; incl. der Barrieren, Schranken, Tunnel
und Überdachungen etc. Wer an solchen Mautstellen nicht auf Sicht fährt
sondern auf sein Navi hört, ist selbst dran schuld. Vom Navi muss halt
dann eine Ansage kommen:"Bitte nutzen sie die nächste freie
Abfertigungsspur in Richtung..." Aber das ist Sache der Naviprogrammierer.

Gruß

aeonesa

Am 21.08.2020 um 18:50 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> Ich würde Euch gerne um eine Einschätzung bitten: an den Mautstellen in 
> Italien (und anderswo) splittet sich die Fahrbahn üblicherweise in mehrere 
> Teile, grundsätzlich physisch getrennt durch meist Betonwände, 
> Fußgängertunnel (gelegentlich/oft?), Leitplanken und Kassiererhäuschen, 
> Beispielbild hier:
> http://image.nanopress.it/r/623X0/www.nanopress.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/casello-autostradsle.jpg
>
> Die einzelnen Durchfahrten haben z.T. auch spezielle Eigenschaften 
> (akzeptierte Zahlungsmittel, und ob eine Person da ist oder nur ein Automat, 
> und für LKW) die
>
> Im italienischen Telegramm-Chat wird nun behauptet dass aufgrund von 
> Entscheidungen der internationalen Community an diesen Stellen der highway 
> nicht aufgesplittet werden darf, weil das angeblich die Naviprogramme 
> überfordern würde, und dass alle mit mehr als einem highway pro Richtung 
> gemappten Stellen jeweils zurückgebaut werden müssen.
>
> Kennt Ihr solche Entscheidungen?
> Wäre es nicht eher dem System entsprechend, aufgrund der baulichen Trennungen 
> den highway aufzufächern?
>
>
> Gruß Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Martijn van Exel]

Curious anecdote: some AllTrails user apparently looked up a phone 
number for OSM US and called up Maggie. Turns out the complaint was 
about a trail that I originally mapped *blush*. In my defense, that was 
9 years ago, I haven't been to that part of town much since I moved, and 
nobody else updated the trail, which has since disappeared.


Here is the changeset in case you're interested: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89419938


Martijn

On 8/19/2020 3:44 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

Hey Mike,
They definitely mention OSM, even call us a partner [1] but like you 
found their basemap is definitely OSM. Instead of suggesting their 
users edit OSM, they instead instruct them to email 
d...@openstreetmap.org ,


All Trails is located in SF but I couldn't find any listing of a 
leadership team.


Do you want to ask on Slack? Someone there might have a connection.


[1] 
https://support.alltrails.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018930672-How-do-I-update-or-change-information-about-a-trail-


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mike Thompson > wrote:


Has anyone tried contacting the AllTrails[0] people about their
use of OSM without attribution?  I am not talking about the "OSM
Map Layer" that they offer, but rather the default "AllTrails Map
Layer."  At the very least it appears that the trails on that
layer come from OSM.  I know that because I have entered some
rather obscure informal trails in OSMe, and they show up in
AllTrails just as I entered them in OSM.
Mike

[0] https://www.alltrails.com/ (in the search box enter the name
of a trail, park, or city to see their map.)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Proposal: Import EV charging point data

[Steven Hirschorn]

I've uploaded the geojson file (along with the source data and other
files and scripts) here:
https://github.com/milh0use/charging_points/blob/master/sl_osm.geojson

I've emailed Source London asking about the way they generated the geo
co-ordinates, but in the meantime while I wait for their response, I'd
be grateful if one or two people could glance at the markers and the
tags I've selected and let me know if I can make improvements. I
haven't tried the conflation exercise yet.
Here's the amenity:charging_station wiki page too, to save anyone
searching: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station

Thanks,

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 05:51, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
 wrote:
>
> Plausible deniability is not the reason.
>
> Either
> (1) it is clear that we can do that
> without copyright and copyright like
> issues and then we can freely ignore
> whatever data provider likes it or not
>
> (2) it is not ok to do this in OSM
>
> Reason for not creating such notes
> automatically is for example fact that
> notes are not supposed to be created
> automatically - we have different
> tools for that such as JOSM validator,
> StreetComplete and Osmose.
>
> Last one is already including some suggestions
> like that.
>
>
> 18 Aug 2020, 15:18 by me-osm-talk...@keepawayfromfire.co.uk:
>
> On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 12:18 +0100, Steven Hirschorn wrote:
>
> Are we allowed to put the points on a non-OSM map to ask local
> mappers to survey?
>
>
> Legally I think it's a bit ambiguous, but current practice is to do
> exactly that. See tools like [1] where most of the data isn't
> compatible with the ODbL but they are overlaid for local mappers to
> survey and add them selves [2]. At a certain point it may be easier to
> "import to notes", but the current way at least has plausible
> deniability if any data provider was upset that there dataset was used
> to inform surveys.
>
>
> Cj
>
> [1] https://osm.mathmos.net/defib/
> [2] https://osm.mathmos.net/defib/progress/NE/
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Re: [Talk-it] se siete mappatori attivi potete diventare membri della OpenStreetMap-Foundation a gratis

[Damjan Gerl]

Mandata anche io.

Damjan


Michele Malfatti je 21.8.2020 ob 22:04 napisal:

Mandata la richiesta!

Sent from my iPhone


On 21 Aug 2020, at 22:04, scratera  wrote:

..mandata la richiesta...



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Re: [Talk-lt] Poilsiavietės places.openmap.lt žemėlapyje

[Mindaugas]

> https://places.openmap.lt dešinėje yra klaustuko mygtukas, jį paspaudus
išeinam į dokumentacijos dalį,
> ten yra „Techninė informacija“ - https://places.openmap.lt/technine.html
- puslapis skirtas OSM žymėtojams,
> kad būtų aišku, kokios žymos ką reiškia.

Super, tik ta techninė informacija neatrodo, kad atitinka realų puslapio
veikimą. Jei Poilsiavietė be laužavietės yra
tourism = 'picnic_site' or amenity = 'shelter' and fireplace is null or
fireplace = 'no'
(kiek neaišku, koks yra and, or prioritetas šioje išraiškoje), tai
poilsiavietėmis būtų šita pavėsinė
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7526103571 ir netgi šita stotelė
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5912200800

===

> Sakyčiau, darant tokį pakeitimą reiktų tikrus mokamus kempingus
pervadinti į „camping office“ (yra tokia grupė Osmand).

Čia paminėjau tik vieną pavyzdį su Bitėnų poilsiaviete, nes joje, kaip
suprantu galima statyti palapines.
Net ir nedarant pakeitimų ir DABAR places.openmap.lt kempingai apima ir
tourism=camp_site, todėl jų Lietuvoje rodo daug.

Osmand grupė camping office netinka kempingų filtravimui, nes tai tik
ofisas, o ne pats kempingas. Lietuvoje tokio nėra nė vieno, artimiausią
Osmand rodo Rygoje ir jis yra su registratūros žyme camp_site=reception
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3632071721

Man priimtiniausi būtų:
Kempingas tourism=caravan_site
Stovyklavietė  tourism=camp_site
Poilsiavietė tourism=picnic_site
Pavėsinė, poilsio stalas amenity=shelter+shelter_type=picnic_shelter arba
leisure=picnic_table

Kai žinau kaip veikia naudoju places.openmap.lt, kai pradedu suprasti, kad
"čia kažkas ne taip" pereinu prie https://overpass-turbo.eu/

===

> nes palapines Lietuvoje galima statyti beveik bet kur.

Būtų puiku, kad taip būtų. Laukinio keliavimo entuziastai paprastai ir
statosi "beveik bet kur", kur nemato žmogaus akis, bet teisiškai, tai be
stovyklaviečių, kempingų ir privačių kiemų su savininiko leidimu statyti
negalima:
https://www.delfi.lt/vasara/naujienos/svarbi-zinia-poilsiautojams-kuriose-vietose-palapiniu-jokiu-budu-nestatyti.d?id=68208874



Mindaugas



On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:45 AM Tomas Straupis 
wrote:

> Laba diena
>
> 2020-08-21, pn, 03:49 Mindaugas rašė:
> > 1)
> > Aš suprantu, kad Manto noras yra rasti ne tik
> caravan_site/camp_site/picnic_site,
> > bet ir atskirus picnic_table/picnic_shelter? Manau reikia dar filtro
> "Poilsio stalai,
> > pavėsinės". Dar yra naudojamas terminas "Atokvėpio vietos" - gal jis
> tiktų
>
>   Atokvėpio vietos - taip, apie šitą galvojau, bet niekaip
> neišsigrynina, kaip tai reikėtų žymėti ir kaip ją atskirti, nes
> skirtumus pagal Mindaugo siųstą dokumentą matau tik tame, kad viena
> yra „trumpai“, kita - „laikinai“, poilsiavietėje gali būti laužavietė
> (bet gali ir nebūti). Man tai labai jau nedidelis/subjektyvus
> skirtumas.
>
>   Mantas gal pats tiksliau atsakys, bet įtariu jis neieškojo tiesiog
> stalo, jam konkretus stalas tiko todėl, kad jis buvo kempinge. Nes
> primenu, tiesiog picnic_table/picnic_shelter mes rasim net šiaip
> tarybinių laikų mašinų sustojimo aikštelėse prie didesnių kelių -
> abejoju, ar į jas kas nors specialiai norėtų važiuoti.
>
> > 2)
> > > Manto paieška, kai nebuvo pažymėti „kempingai“, todėl rado tik
> poilsiavietes,...
> > Iš techninės pusės man įdomu, ką randa tie filtrai tag'ų prasme. Pvz.:
> > tourism=camp_site yra kas? Poilsiavietė su laužaviete? Ar priklauso nuo
> fireplace atributo, ir jeigu jo nebus, tai ji bus "poilsiavietė be
> laužavietės"? Ar čia jau bus „kempingas"? Ar tik tourism=caravan_site yra
> kempingas?
> > Gal čia ir yra didžiausias neaiškumas - kas ką reiškia?
>
>   https://places.openmap.lt dešinėje yra klaustuko mygtukas, jį
> paspaudus išeinam į dokumentacijos dalį, ten yra „Techninė
> informacija“ - https://places.openmap.lt/technine.html - puslapis
> skirtas OSM žymėtojams, kad būtų aišku, kokios žymos ką reiškia.
>
> > Beje, Bitėnų poilsiavietė <...> Tai gal ji turi būti camp_site...
>
>   Prieš n metų suvedžiau gerą gabalą info iš miškininkų daryto
> lankytinų vietų žemėlapio. Klasifikacijas (poilsiavietė/stovyklavietė)
> dėjau taip, kaip jie rašė. Ir pamenu, kad ten buvo keistų taškų, kur
> kaip ir poilsiavietė, bet kaip ir „galima statyti palapines“. Sakyčiau
> keisti į camp_site ir tiek, jei jau žinom, kad ten žmonės realiai
> stato palapines.
>
> > 3)
> > Dar su places.openmap.lt susijęs klausimas - kada atsinaujina
> pažintiniai takai?
> > Pvz. žemėlapyje rodo naujai įvestą takus, bet jų neranda paieška/filtras:
> > https://places.openmap.lt/#m=16.51130287032287/22.041/55.083/1/T
> > https://places.openmap.lt/#m=17.430033465220156/23.332/55.929/1/T
> > https://places.openmap.lt/#m=16.563417309190395/22.982/55.756/1/T (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7823241457)
>
>   VISOS places.openmap.lt praeina mano peržiūrą (tiek dėl kokybės,
> tiek ir unikalaus ID išsaugojimui, nes kažkada turi atsirasti
> komentarai, nuotraukos), kas reiškia, kad radęs prastai atrodantį
> žemėlapį, aš dar ir aplinką 

Re: [Talk-it] se siete mappatori attivi potete diventare membri della OpenStreetMap-Foundation a gratis

[Michele Malfatti]

Mandata la richiesta! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Aug 2020, at 22:04, scratera  wrote:
> 
> ..mandata la richiesta...
> 
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[scratera]

..mandata la richiesta...



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[Talk-lt] Baltijos kelias

[kostas]

https://www.15min.lt/pasaulis-kiseneje/naujiena/per-lietuva/magistrale-nuo-vilniaus-iki-latvijos-sienos-google-maps-nuo-siol-baltijos-kelias-642-1364592

O kaip pas mus? Lygtais dar nemačiau tokio žymėjimo OSMe.

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[Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Ich würde Euch gerne um eine Einschätzung bitten: an den Mautstellen in Italien 
(und anderswo) splittet sich die Fahrbahn üblicherweise in mehrere Teile, 
grundsätzlich physisch getrennt durch meist Betonwände, Fußgängertunnel 
(gelegentlich/oft?), Leitplanken und Kassiererhäuschen, Beispielbild hier:
http://image.nanopress.it/r/623X0/www.nanopress.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/casello-autostradsle.jpg

Die einzelnen Durchfahrten haben z.T. auch spezielle Eigenschaften (akzeptierte 
Zahlungsmittel, und ob eine Person da ist oder nur ein Automat, und für LKW) 
die 

Im italienischen Telegramm-Chat wird nun behauptet dass aufgrund von 
Entscheidungen der internationalen Community an diesen Stellen der highway 
nicht aufgesplittet werden darf, weil das angeblich die Naviprogramme 
überfordern würde, und dass alle mit mehr als einem highway pro Richtung 
gemappten Stellen jeweils zurückgebaut werden müssen.

Kennt Ihr solche Entscheidungen? 
Wäre es nicht eher dem System entsprechend, aufgrund der baulichen Trennungen 
den highway aufzufächern?


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Re: [talk-cz] Geofabrik chybějící data

[speirs]

Ahoj, já jsem se svojí aktualizací Evropy skončil v pondělí v nekonečné smyčce. Na serveru geofabrik byla novější verze, ale moje byla po opakovaných aktualizacích pořád na datumu 14.8. Jen rychle jsem projel geofabrik a když nikde nic nebylo, stáhnul jsem komplet Evropu znovu a pak aktualizace jely, tak jsem myslel, že je to nějaký problém u mě. Takže díky za info a další uvítám.HonzaOn 21 Aug 2020 15:39, Tom Ka  wrote:Ahoj, tohle asi neni u geofabrik ale primo v OSM viz.:https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-August/085340.html(jsou tam trochu nizsi cisla zmen ale zminky i o dalsich problemech)Bye tom.kpá 21. 8. 2020 v 14:37 odesílatel Petr Vejsada  napsal:Ahoj,

strašně dlouho jsem sem nepsal a bohužel nemám dobré zprávy. Data na Geofabrik jsou nejspíš rozbitá, viz https://poloha.net/content/geofabrik-chybejici-data a proto na poloha.net se OSM data momentálně neaktualizují.

Pokud o tom někdo něco tuší, dejte vědět.

Díky.

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[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 21. Aug 2020, at 17:33, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fatto, non ho capito se si riferisce solo alle mappature del solo 2019,
> in tal caso sarei fuori, mentre se vanno assommate anche quelle di
> quest'anno dovrei farcela.
> ad ogni modo la richiesta l'ho inviata, male che vada mi diranno che non
> ho i requisiti. :)


praticamente contano gli ultimi 365 giorni, puoi controllare con “how did you 
contribute”. Se manca qualche giorno dovrebbe essere fattibile ricuperare, per 
esempio inserendo un civico al giorno ;-)

Ciao Martin 

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[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 21/08/20 14:20, Gabriele Sani via Talk-it ha scritto:
> Ciao,
> al link della richiesta c'e' un altro link che porta a un tool per fare 
> questa verifica
> 
> https://hdyc.neis-one.org/
> 
> Gabriele Sani
> 

Fatto, non ho capito se si riferisce solo alle mappature del solo 2019,
in tal caso sarei fuori, mentre se vanno assommate anche quelle di
quest'anno dovrei farcela.
ad ogni modo la richiesta l'ho inviata, male che vada mi diranno che non
ho i requisiti. :)


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Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

[Skyler Hawthorne]

On Mon, 2020-08-17 at 09:14 -0700, stevea wrote:
> I believe it correct that access=private tag be removed from
> highway=service + service=driveway, as "private" seems too strict to
> accurately describe a driveway (that's part subjunctive mood where it
> needs doing, part indicative where true now).  This is especially
> correct when entered or deleted by a company performing delivery
> services — access=destination seems much more precise, and directly
> in that exact circumstance.  I only tag access=private when there is
> a sign explicitly prohibiting access, a gate which enforces this, or
> both.
> 
> (And "I believe it correct..." is, after all, simply one person's
> opinion, it is important to remind).
> 
> There is an "implied semantic" (in my mind and I believe many
> others') of how private property and driveways "work" in USA law and
> custom:  "If tagged highway=service + service=driveway, this MEANS it
> is on private property.  If you are invited by having delivery
> requested or are visiting the residence (by invitation) or business
> (because they are open) so attached to the road network, you may
> traverse.  Otherwise, it should be respected as private property,
> access=private is superfluous and too strict."

This makes sense; however, on the other hand, I can't think of a
situation where someone grants blanket access to the public to drive on
their home's driveway whenever they want, so access=private seems like
it would be correct for 99% of cases.

However, I do agree that because of this custom, it makes sense instead
just to leave it highway=service + service=driveway, and leave off the
access tag for these kinds of automated bulk additions.

Thanks for your input!
-- 
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Re: [talk-cz] Geofabrik chybějící data

[Petr Vejsada]

Ahoj,

dohledal jsem to, v Planet je všechno:
https://planet.openstreetmap.org/replication/minute/004/150/987.osc.gz
jak uzel tak cesty. Ovšemže nevím, zda nebyly také vygenerovány různé verze 
tohoto změnového souboru, ale žádná časová díra, která by tomu nasvědčovala, v 
Planet není. Vše hezky po minutách narozdíl od toho případu, o kterém se 
zmiňují ve Tvém odkazu.

Uzel má timestamp 2020-08-14T18:11:08Z a hned v další minutě šel z Planet ven 
včetně cest v tom 987.

Takže toto bude asi něco jiného.

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Dne Pá 21. srpna 2020 15:39:25, Tom Ka napsal(a):

> Ahoj, tohle asi neni u geofabrik ale primo v OSM viz.:
> 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-August/085340.html
> 
> (jsou tam trochu nizsi cisla zmen ale zminky i o dalsich problemech)
> 
> Bye tom.k
> 
> pá 21. 8. 2020 v 14:37 odesílatel Petr Vejsada 
> napsal:
> 
> > Ahoj,
> >
> > strašně dlouho jsem sem nepsal a bohužel nemám dobré zprávy. Data na
> > Geofabrik jsou nejspíš rozbitá, viz
> > https://poloha.net/content/geofabrik-chybejici-data a proto na poloha.net
> > se OSM data momentálně neaktualizují.
> >
> > Pokud o tom někdo něco tuší, dejte vědět.
> >
> > Díky.
> >
> > --
> > Petr, p...@vejsada.net
> > >p<
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Re: [talk-cz] Geofabrik chybějící data

[Jan Martinec]

Ahoj,

Geofabrik píše (1:44 PM · Aug 15, 2020 :
https://mobile.twitter.com/geofabrik/status/1294600772852813826 ):

"Hiccup on the download server - no updates last night. Catching up now."

Takže buď je to podruhé týž bug, nebo ta inkonzistence vznikla už 15.

Ze kdy jsou ty chybějící nody?

Zdar,
Honza Piškvor Martinec

Dne pá 21. 8. 2020 14:37 uživatel Petr Vejsada 
napsal:

> Ahoj,
>
> strašně dlouho jsem sem nepsal a bohužel nemám dobré zprávy. Data na
> Geofabrik jsou nejspíš rozbitá, viz
> https://poloha.net/content/geofabrik-chybejici-data a proto na poloha.net
> se OSM data momentálně neaktualizují.
>
> Pokud o tom někdo něco tuší, dejte vědět.
>
> Díky.
>
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Re: [talk-cz] Geofabrik chybějící data

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, tohle asi neni u geofabrik ale primo v OSM viz.:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-August/085340.html

(jsou tam trochu nizsi cisla zmen ale zminky i o dalsich problemech)

Bye tom.k

pá 21. 8. 2020 v 14:37 odesílatel Petr Vejsada 
napsal:

> Ahoj,
>
> strašně dlouho jsem sem nepsal a bohužel nemám dobré zprávy. Data na
> Geofabrik jsou nejspíš rozbitá, viz
> https://poloha.net/content/geofabrik-chybejici-data a proto na poloha.net
> se OSM data momentálně neaktualizují.
>
> Pokud o tom někdo něco tuší, dejte vědět.
>
> Díky.
>
> --
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> >p<
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[talk-cz] Geofabrik chybějící data

[Petr Vejsada]

Ahoj,

strašně dlouho jsem sem nepsal a bohužel nemám dobré zprávy. Data na Geofabrik 
jsou nejspíš rozbitá, viz https://poloha.net/content/geofabrik-chybejici-data a 
proto na poloha.net se OSM data momentálně neaktualizují.

Pokud o tom někdo něco tuší, dejte vědět.

Díky.

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Re: [Talk-lt] Poilsiavietės places.openmap.lt žemėlapyje

[Eduardas Kriščiūnas]

Sakyčiau, darant tokį pakeitimą reiktų tikrus mokamus kempingus 
pervadinti į „camping office“ (yra tokia grupė Osmand). Kitaip bus daug 
klaidinimo.
Pvz. aš kempingu laikau tik vietas, kur yra IR dušas, nes palapines 
Lietuvoje galima statyti beveik bet kur.


2020-08-21 11:45, Tomas Straupis rašė:

Sakyčiau
keisti į camp_site ir tiek, jei jau žinom, kad ten žmonės realiai
stato palapines.




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Re: [Talk-it] se siete mappatori attivi potete diventare membri della OpenStreetMap-Foundation a gratis

[Gabriele Sani via Talk-it]

Ciao,
al link della richiesta c'e' un altro link che porta a un tool per fare questa 
verifica

https://hdyc.neis-one.org/

Gabriele Sani

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Friday, August 21, 2020 2:17 PM, Marco Bartalini  
wrote:

> ottima cosa... grazie mille martin!
>
> ultimamente sono riuscito a mappare poco per questioni di tempo... ma ho dato 
> un bel contributo negli ultimi 10 anni nel salento!
>
> devo capire a quent giorni di mappatura sto in quest'anno c'è un modo per 
> saperlo?
>
> Marco Bartalini,
>
> marcobartal...@gmail.com
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:40 AM Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
>
>> Chi ha mappato al meno a 42 giorni negli ultimi 365 giorni può diventare 
>> membro della OpenStreetMap-Foundation senza costi.
>> Invito tutti caldamente di approfittare di questa possibilità, perché finora 
>> i mappatori professionisti erano in maggioranza alla 
>> OpenStreetMap-Foundation, e sarebbe opportuno avere più mappatori volontari 
>> per bilanciare.
>>
>> Vi potete iscrivere qui:
>> https://join.osmfoundation.org/active-contributor-membership/application-form-for-active-contributor-membership-mapping/
>>
>> Ciò vi consentirà di votare alle prossime elezioni se lo fate al più presto 
>> (le elezioni saranno probabilmente a Dicembre, ed è richiesto di essere 
>> membro da 90 giorni), non esitate!
>>
>> Non è un problema se siete anche membri del local chapter italiano (WMI), 
>> ovviamente.
>>
>> Più mappatori e meno imprese ;-)
>>
>> Ciao Martin
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[Marco Bartalini]

ottima cosa... grazie mille martin!

ultimamente sono riuscito a mappare poco per questioni di tempo... ma ho
dato un bel contributo negli ultimi 10 anni nel salento!

devo capire a quent giorni di mappatura sto in quest'anno c'è un modo
per saperlo?



*Marco Bartalini,marcobartal...@gmail.com *


On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:40 AM Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

> Chi ha mappato al meno a 42 giorni negli ultimi 365 giorni può diventare
> membro della OpenStreetMap-Foundation senza costi.
> Invito tutti caldamente di approfittare di questa possibilità, perché
> finora i mappatori professionisti erano in maggioranza alla
> OpenStreetMap-Foundation, e sarebbe opportuno avere più mappatori volontari
> per bilanciare.
>
> Vi potete iscrivere qui:
>
> https://join.osmfoundation.org/active-contributor-membership/application-form-for-active-contributor-membership-mapping/
>
> Ciò vi consentirà di votare alle prossime elezioni se lo fate al più
> presto (le elezioni saranno probabilmente a Dicembre, ed è richiesto di
> essere membro da 90 giorni), non esitate!
>
> Non è un problema se siete anche membri del local chapter italiano (WMI),
> ovviamente.
>
> Più mappatori e meno imprese ;-)
>
>
> Ciao Martin
>
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[Talk-us] OSM-US local chapter application

[Joost Schouppe [OSMF secretary]]

Hi all,


You may be aware that *OpenStreetMap US, Inc.* has applied to become an
official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part of the
application process, we would like to ask you, *the local mapping community*
how you feel about this. Do you support this application? Do you have any
questions, comments or concerns?


You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
the OSMF website:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/United_States


We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (Sept 5th 2020).
You can reply to this thread, send a message to board (at) osmfoundation.org,
or use the wiki talk page here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/Local_Chapters/Applications/United_States
I am looking forward to hearing your responses.

We will also share this message on Slack and the forum.


Thank you to the OpenStreetMap US team for this submission.


Best regards,

Joost Schouppe
*Secretary*
*OpenStreetMap Foundation*

Name & Registered Office:

*OpenStreetMap Foundation*
*St John’s Innovation Centre*
*Cowley Road*
*Cambridge*
*CB4 0WS*
*United Kingdom*

*A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and
WalesRegistration No. 05912761*


Joost Schouppe
*Secretary*
*OpenStreetMap Foundation*

Name & Registered Office:

*OpenStreetMap Foundation*
*St John’s Innovation Centre*
*Cowley Road*
*Cambridge*
*CB4 0WS*
*United Kingdom*

*A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and
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[Talk-es] Mapcomplete

[yo paseopor]

No me da la vida para escribir mensajes, hacer mapas de aparcamiento
completos y añadir datos a mi ciudad, pero creo que esto se merece un
mensaje dónde sea.

Si no lo habeis hecho ya chafardead la herramienta MapComplete. Por decirlo
rápido sería como un Streetcomplete feo pero con esteroides.

-¿Qué trae de nuevo que tanta ilusión te hace?
La posibilidad de configurar nosotros las misiones.

-¿Como se hace?
Con este formulario
https://pietervdvn.github.io/MapComplete/customGenerator.html
-No entiendo un mierdo, ¿cómo se rellena esto?
Os pongo un ejemplo de quest para restaurante que permite completar
teléfono,dirección,página web,y horario:

https://pietervdvn.github.io/MapComplete/customGenerator.html#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

Eso da como resultado la quest propiamente dicha:

Re: [Talk-lt] Poilsiavietės places.openmap.lt žemėlapyje

[Tomas Straupis]

Laba diena

2020-08-21, pn, 03:49 Mindaugas rašė:
> 1)
> Aš suprantu, kad Manto noras yra rasti ne tik 
> caravan_site/camp_site/picnic_site,
> bet ir atskirus picnic_table/picnic_shelter? Manau reikia dar filtro "Poilsio 
> stalai,
> pavėsinės". Dar yra naudojamas terminas "Atokvėpio vietos" - gal jis tiktų

  Atokvėpio vietos - taip, apie šitą galvojau, bet niekaip
neišsigrynina, kaip tai reikėtų žymėti ir kaip ją atskirti, nes
skirtumus pagal Mindaugo siųstą dokumentą matau tik tame, kad viena
yra „trumpai“, kita - „laikinai“, poilsiavietėje gali būti laužavietė
(bet gali ir nebūti). Man tai labai jau nedidelis/subjektyvus
skirtumas.

  Mantas gal pats tiksliau atsakys, bet įtariu jis neieškojo tiesiog
stalo, jam konkretus stalas tiko todėl, kad jis buvo kempinge. Nes
primenu, tiesiog picnic_table/picnic_shelter mes rasim net šiaip
tarybinių laikų mašinų sustojimo aikštelėse prie didesnių kelių -
abejoju, ar į jas kas nors specialiai norėtų važiuoti.

> 2)
> > Manto paieška, kai nebuvo pažymėti „kempingai“, todėl rado tik 
> > poilsiavietes,...
> Iš techninės pusės man įdomu, ką randa tie filtrai tag'ų prasme. Pvz.:
> tourism=camp_site yra kas? Poilsiavietė su laužaviete? Ar priklauso nuo 
> fireplace atributo, ir jeigu jo nebus, tai ji bus "poilsiavietė be 
> laužavietės"? Ar čia jau bus „kempingas"? Ar tik tourism=caravan_site yra 
> kempingas?
> Gal čia ir yra didžiausias neaiškumas - kas ką reiškia?

  https://places.openmap.lt dešinėje yra klaustuko mygtukas, jį
paspaudus išeinam į dokumentacijos dalį, ten yra „Techninė
informacija“ - https://places.openmap.lt/technine.html - puslapis
skirtas OSM žymėtojams, kad būtų aišku, kokios žymos ką reiškia.

> Beje, Bitėnų poilsiavietė <...> Tai gal ji turi būti camp_site...

  Prieš n metų suvedžiau gerą gabalą info iš miškininkų daryto
lankytinų vietų žemėlapio. Klasifikacijas (poilsiavietė/stovyklavietė)
dėjau taip, kaip jie rašė. Ir pamenu, kad ten buvo keistų taškų, kur
kaip ir poilsiavietė, bet kaip ir „galima statyti palapines“. Sakyčiau
keisti į camp_site ir tiek, jei jau žinom, kad ten žmonės realiai
stato palapines.

> 3)
> Dar su places.openmap.lt susijęs klausimas - kada atsinaujina pažintiniai 
> takai?
> Pvz. žemėlapyje rodo naujai įvestą takus, bet jų neranda paieška/filtras:
> https://places.openmap.lt/#m=16.51130287032287/22.041/55.083/1/T
> https://places.openmap.lt/#m=17.430033465220156/23.332/55.929/1/T
> https://places.openmap.lt/#m=16.563417309190395/22.982/55.756/1/T 
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7823241457)

  VISOS places.openmap.lt praeina mano peržiūrą (tiek dėl kokybės,
tiek ir unikalaus ID išsaugojimui, nes kažkada turi atsirasti
komentarai, nuotraukos), kas reiškia, kad radęs prastai atrodantį
žemėlapį, aš dar ir aplinką papildau, pagražinu. Tai per dieną 10-30
taškų sueina - užtrunka. O neseniai praėjo pašto kodų atnaujinimas,
kuris pakrutino (sudėjo į peržiūros eilę) tūkstančius objektų. Tai
šiuo metu ilgas šniūras tikrintinų objektų (~2000) :-)

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[Talk-it] se siete mappatori attivi potete diventare membri della OpenStreetMap-Foundation a gratis

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Chi ha mappato al meno a 42 giorni negli ultimi 365 giorni può diventare membro 
della OpenStreetMap-Foundation senza costi.
Invito tutti caldamente di approfittare di questa possibilità, perché finora i 
mappatori professionisti erano in maggioranza alla OpenStreetMap-Foundation, e 
sarebbe opportuno avere più mappatori volontari per bilanciare.

Vi potete iscrivere qui:
 
https://join.osmfoundation.org/active-contributor-membership/application-form-for-active-contributor-membership-mapping/

Ciò vi consentirà di votare alle prossime elezioni se lo fate al più presto (le 
elezioni saranno probabilmente a Dicembre, ed è richiesto di essere membro da 
90 giorni), non esitate!

Non è un problema se siete anche membri del local chapter italiano (WMI), 
ovviamente.

Più mappatori e meno imprese ;-)


Ciao Martin 

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[Talk-it-lazio] se siete mappatori attivi potete diventare membri della OpenStreetMap-Foundation a gratis

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Chi ha mappato al meno a 42 giorni negli ultimi 365 giorni può diventare membro 
della OpenStreetMap-Foundation senza costi.
Invito tutti caldamente di approfittare di questa possibilità, perché finora i 
mappatori professionisti erano in maggioranza alla OpenStreetMap-Foundation, e 
sarebbe opportuno avere più mappatori volontari per bilanciare.

Vi potete iscrivere qui:
 
https://join.osmfoundation.org/active-contributor-membership/application-form-for-active-contributor-membership-mapping/

Ciò vi consentirà di votare alle prossime elezioni se lo fate al più presto (le 
elezioni saranno probabilmente a Dicembre, ed è richiesto di essere membro da 
90 giorni), non esitate!

Non è un problema se siete anche membri del local chapter italiano (WMI), 
ovviamente.

Più mappatori e meno imprese ;-)


Ciao Martin 

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Pop-up cycle lanes

[Brian Prangle]

Anyone willing to take up this offer?

-- Forwarded message -
From: Andrew Radford 
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 16:36
Subject: RE: Pop-up cycle lanes
To: Brian Prangle 


Brian



Perhaps a cheeky request but would you (or someone else) be able to provide
a short training session on how to update the map (probably with the online
tools, rather than JOSM) if I get a few interested of the project team
(probably 2 or 3) on board.



The project people would probably be able to update the map off the top of
their head, rather than having to produce intermediate OS-free maps.



A



*From:* Brian Prangle 
*Sent:* 20 August 2020 14:16
*To:* Andrew Radford 
*Subject:* Re: Pop-up cycle lanes



Hi Andrew



Good to hear from you. It doesn't seem that complicated. Just add
cycleway=lane to the relevant stretches of road if there are to be
cycleways on both sides or use cycleway:left=lane or cycleway:right = lane
as appropriate if not.  Add  a tag like description:COVID19=temporary for
future selection for easy maintenance. Glad to help out editing these if
you can provide a rollout timetable and a map that isn't OS copyright
tainted.  Also I'd like to include the  local neighbourhood active travel
plans plans for Kings Heath and Lozells with the proposed installation of
modal filters and the pedestrianisation of York Road. Again a rollout
timetable and an OS copyright-free map would help obviate the need for a
ground survey. (perhaps you should publish public-facing maps on one of the
OS open-licensed  products? Or perhaps you are and are just adding the
OS-required attribution, if so some clarity would be helpful.) For the
modal filters best practice seems to be just convert a short stretch of the
road to highway=cycleway with perhaps barrier=modal_filter. And finally if
you could provide me with details of the school street programme ready for
September rollout I'd be grateful. I've placed notes on each of the schools
affected but I need details of which bits of which roads are covered and
what times .Perhaps there's   already a web page up?



Good to be planning work with you again



Regards



Brian







On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:18 PM Andrew Radford <
andrew.radf...@birmingham.gov.uk> wrote:

Hi Brian,



BCC are currently building a bunch of pop=up cycle lanes for COVID –
consultation and maps here:-



https://covidmeasuresbirmingham.commonplace.is




The question has come up as to whether these should go on OSM. I noted that
there is a wiki page about COVID but I’m not sure I’m knowledgeble enough
to put things on to the map with that level of complexity. I understand
some of the features will remain forever, but others will get taken out.



Could you let me know your views on all this?





Andy


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[OSM-talk-fr] L'influence d'osm sur Flight Simulator

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Dans cet article on découvre un bien beau building australien héhé...

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/aug/21/melbourne-fawkner-suburbia-users-poke-fun-at-microsoft-flight-simulator-glitches


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Re: [OSM-talk] Conflict between en-GB and en copyright page.

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 21. Aug 2020, at 03:59, Oliver Simmons  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> The translation (en-GB) says in case of conflicts en overrules.
> 
> This would be fine if it wasn’t that *they appear to be backwards*
> 
> en is the page lacking the tile attribution info and that is supposedly “the 
> original”.
> 
>  
> 


the original is right. The translation must still be updated, it was decided 
recently that the tiles are now published with no specific license (i.e. as 
produced works under the ODbL)


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Re: [Talk-cr] Añadir alertas según CNE al mapa de OSM

[Rodrigo]

On 8/20/20 7:57 PM, Jaime Gutiérrez Alfaro wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:04 PM Rodolfo Quesada Zumbado  > wrote:
>
> Hola Jaime, Wolter, Rodrigo y amigos de OSM,
>
> Jaime y yo estuvimos trabajando un poco ahora temprano y creamos
> esta tabla fija y plana con todas las unidades administrativas de
> Costa Rica y sus relations de OSM:
>
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Costa_Rica/Divisi%C3%B3n_Territorial_Administrativa
>
> Se puede/debe mejorar (ej, agregar códigos postales por distrito y
> códigos de cantón), pero sirve de referencia rápida para muchos
> proyectos.  Yo juraba que la tabla que tenemos en el Wiki estaba
> completa, pero nunca me animé a expandirla, la agregó un
> colaborador que está normalizando eso en varios países.
>
Esto me parece genial. A esa misma tabla creada se le puede agregar una
columna especificando los elementos pendientes, para pensar en un
esquema de trabajo comunitario y seguimiento de qué cantones y distritos
tienen la info completa.

>
> Súper. En realidad toda la chamba la hizo Rodolfo. Ahora que tenemos
> esta tabla con una página wiki propia quizás podemos valorar eliminar
> la tabla que está en
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Costa_Rica#Provinces.2C_Cantons_and_Districts
> y mover esa info a la nueva página que hizo Rodolfo. Así todo el tema
> de división administrativa estaría junto. No se qué les parece, aunque
> podríamos hacer otro hilo de correo para conversar sobre ese tema.

De acuerdo con eliminar la tabla y agregar solamente un párrafo
direccionando a esta nueva página.

>  
>
>
> La iniciativa de las alertas me parece bien, y sugiero unas cosas
> adicionales al respecto:
>
> * Kill Switch: En teoría #estopasará como dicen en las redes
> sociales, entonces hay que tener listo un mecanismo (y encargado)
> para quitar los tags cuando ya no sea necesario.
>
>
> Si, el tema del covid y las restricciones pasará. Sin embargo, el tema
> de las alertas de la CNE no es algo que pase. Las usan para cuando hay
> condiciones climáticas adversas o situaciones que lo ameriten. Hoy no
> tuve chance de revisar si esto es así por alguna ley en específico. En
> el sitio web de la CNE está este enlace:
> https://cne.go.cr/preparativos_respuestas/alertas.aspx.  Con esto
> quiero decir que quizás hay que valorar esta etiqueta con esa
> perspectiva.
>
> * Timeline Log: Crear un CSV o tabla en algún lado (GitHub?), para
> llevar control del histórico... A la fecha no se ha publicado por
> parte del gobierno la especificación de como se asignan los
> colores, dependemos de noticias para eso, y no se está guardando
> el histórico en ningún lado, solo se conoce el estado actual
> (creo?). Puede servir de input para la herramienta que propone
> Wolter.  Por ejemplo, Montes de Oca ya es amarillo, pero lo veo
> naranja en el mapa, y creo que el cambio fue ayer?. :-P
>
>
> El estado de alerta lo declara la CNE. Tienen un hermoso listado de
> PDF con el histórico de alertas:
> https://cne.go.cr/preparativos_respuestas/alertas/historicoalertas.aspx. 
> Cero datos abiertos. A mi me suena bien la idea de llevar un histórico
> en un CSV en github. Creo que es un aporte bonito.

Me parece bien, sería un bonito proyecto. Traducir el histórico de
alertas requerirá un trabajo interesante que puede servir en el futuro
para estudiar la gestión del sistema de alertas frente a la pandemia, y
otras emergencias.

>  
>
> * Concuerdo con el identificador calificativo de
> alert:cne:covid19, la CNE emite alertas para otras cosas, como
> inundaciones, y tal vez en un futuro se pueden asignar en tiempo
> real a OSM.  Este ejercicio de colorear las alertas se presta para
> esa eventualidad.
>
>
> Cómo mencioné en el primer punto me gustaría averiguar más para
> determinar si la alertas son específicas para el tema covid. Aunque
> bueno, hay un consenso muy amplio de parte de quienes se han
> manifestado en que añadamos covid19 en la etiqueta. Yo no tengo
> ninguna opción pero tengo esa inquietud por valorarla más allá del
> covid.  Si alguien tuviera algún contacto que tenga más claro el tema
> de manejo de emergencias pues nos vendría bien.

No estoy seguro qué tanto permite OSM sobre este nivel de especificidad,
pero un sistema aparte que alimente el CSV como el que propone Wolter y
Rodolfo puede funcionar muy bien para cargar los datos en un mapa
personalizado.

Este sistema del histórico de alertas podría incluir añadir y gestionar
etiquetas como, alert=yes/no y alert_type=health/natural_disaster etc...
aunque no estoy si ya existe algún modelo de etiqueta de alertas para
OSM. Indagué algo en la wiki y no encontré nada.

>  
>
> * Con los dos comentarios anteriores, un tag adicional de
> alert:cne:covid19:date? Algo así, para ver cuando fue la última
> vez que se asignó el color.
>
>
> A mi este no me suena. Para esto tenemos el