Re: [Diversity-talk] Who says we need a code of conduct?

[Alex Barth]

This is not acceptable, we can't ignore  behavior like this and  need to
pull access to comment threads at least temporarily
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeleneYang/diary/43446#comment41172

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Dan S  wrote:

> Hi
>
> There are lots of shouty babies like that in online discussions. The
> challenge is to keep remembering that they're naive/immature (even
> though the keyboard hides it) - they sap less of your energy that
> way...
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> 2018-03-06 14:56 GMT+00:00 Selene Yang :
> > Hi! I wrote an entry in my OSM diary about diversity
> > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeleneYang/diary/43446)  in the
> > community using the OSM Awards as an example, and one of the answers
> from an
> > OSM collaborator was:
> >
> > Comentario de cray33 el 6 de marzo de 2018 a las 10:03
> >
> > fuck diversity. A man and a woman are different from each other. You
> can't
> > change the nature
> >
> >
> > So I guess... Who needs a CoC when we have such an inclusive and well
> > mannered community. :sigh: This is not the first time I've read a violent
> > response from a community member when it comes to gender related issues.
> I
> > don't know if you recall the `man=made` vs  `human=made` debacle, and yet
> > we're still here debating whether or not we need to enforce a CoC.
> >
> > I'm truly disappointed in the community.
> > Thanks for reading.
> >
> > Sele.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Selene Yang Rappaccioli
> > Candidata Doctoral en Comunicación
> > Universidad Nacional de La Plata
> > @SeleneYang
> >
> >
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[Talk-us] State of the Map US 2016 to take place in Seattle!

[Alex Barth]

We're happy to announce State of the Map US 2016 to take place in Seattle,
Washington from July 23rd to 25th!

Learn all about the conference in the announcement blog post:

https://openstreetmap.us/2016/02/sotmus-2016/

Share the tweet:

https://twitter.com/sotmus/status/704834581271330816

And help shaping the conference by joining the organization working group.

This was a tough pick this year with three amazing proposals came (Boulder
Colorado and St. Louis Missouri in addition to seattle). All proposals were
excellent and big thank you for everyone coming forward and putting
together a bid.

Looking forward to seeing everyone in Seattle!

Alex


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenRandomMap

[Alex Barth]

***OpenEpicMap***


On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Nick Whitelegg  wrote:

>
> That is a lot of words in wordlist.txt!
>
>
> Most amusing so far  "OpenTrueToadMap"
>
>
> Also got "OpenBarMap" and "OpenCentralParkMap" which sould real.
>
>
> Nick
>
>
> --
> *From:* Tim Waters 
> *Sent:* 28 January 2016 16:01
> *To:* Russ Nelson
> *Cc:* OSM Talk List
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] OpenRandomMap
>
> Great site! I got OpenRiceMap which you could actually imagine happening
> (although with maybe the same likelihood happening as OpenSantaMap)
> You could add an affiliate link to namecheap or something and give profits
> to OSMF!
>
> On 23 January 2016 at 19:04, Russ Nelson  wrote:
>
>> If the goal of having a map on the front page of osm.org is to
>> illustrate the extent of our data...
>>
>
> I think it was Gregory Marler who said that what he'd really like to see
> in the front page is a wireframe view, showing everything at every zoom
> level but very minimally styled, points, lines. I think that would look
> great.
>
> Tim
>
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Re: [Talk-us] State of the Map US bidders: join the virtual Town Hall!

[Alex Barth]

Reminder - the virtual townhall on State of the Map US is happening today
at 5PM ET! All the info to join is here:
https://openstreetmap.us/2016/01/sotmus-2016/

Spread the word + happy Monday everyone.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Alex Barth <a...@openstreetmap.us> wrote:

> Are you bidding / thinking of bidding for State of the Map US?
>
> We're holding a virtual Town Hall meeting to answer your questions on
> **Monday January 25th 5PM - 6PM Eastern** on Google Hangout.
>
> 1. RSVP on Google Hangout
> https://plus.google.com/u/1/events/c7venol7lhk5slsufpef1bbfddo
> 2. Simply join us at the time of the event by clicking the "Hangout" link
> here: https://plus.google.com/u/1/events/c7venol7lhk5slsufpef1bbfddo
>
> If you aren't able to connect through Google hangout, you can also ask
> questions on #osm-us on IRC http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC during
> the time of the Town Hall.
>
> You can still submit a bid for State of the Map US until February 15th:
> https://openstreetmap.us/2016/01/sotmus-2016/
>
> Cheers!
>
> Alex
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[Talk-us] State of the Map US bidders: join the virtual Town Hall!

[Alex Barth]

Are you bidding / thinking of bidding for State of the Map US?

We're holding a virtual Town Hall meeting to answer your questions on
**Monday January 25th 5PM - 6PM Eastern** on Google Hangout.

1. RSVP on Google Hangout
https://plus.google.com/u/1/events/c7venol7lhk5slsufpef1bbfddo
2. Simply join us at the time of the event by clicking the "Hangout" link
here: https://plus.google.com/u/1/events/c7venol7lhk5slsufpef1bbfddo

If you aren't able to connect through Google hangout, you can also ask
questions on #osm-us on IRC http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC during
the time of the Town Hall.

You can still submit a bid for State of the Map US until February 15th:
https://openstreetmap.us/2016/01/sotmus-2016/

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Re: [OSM-talk] A big debate about OSM quality in Strava community

[Alex Barth]

Hey Federico -

It's still early days and tracking the impact of a launch on active mappers
is notoriously difficult, but here's what we're doing working with Strava
on improving OpenStreetMap:

- Strava started to blog about their maps on the engineering blog. The
first post (http://labs.strava.com/blog/tailoring-maps-strava-athletes/)
was focused on design, we're working now on one that will be focused on
data and how to contribute to OpenStreetMap.
- We've reviewed and fixed over 2,750 instances of missing data discovered
by Strava users https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/114 - we're
working with Strava to surface more such instances. Watch
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/ for updates

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:

> More on this topic: IMHO what the debate highlights is the obvious, i.e.
> that in some regions OSM is much weaker than in others. Two months later,
> do we have any indication that the 1+ million Strava users are helping
> fill the gap?
> * How many visits to ?pk_campaign=mapbox-edit URLs openstreetmap.org has
> received?
>

@TomH - this number would be great to know in general, can you share?


> * Are there some regions with a noticeable variation in number of active
> OSM users, or node edits?
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM's future Was: Re: Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

[Alex Barth]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Steve Coast  wrote:

> > "our problems" would of course need more definition and I'm running the
> risk here of misinterpreting what you said. I'm thinking about all the
> cases where OSM isn't used yet, all the mapping that isn't happing in OSM
> yet. OSM has the potential to fundamentally change how we capture and
> share knowledge about the world but we aren't anywhere near the full impact
> we should be having. 300,000 active mappers is impressive but the world is
> much bigger. At a time where the internet that was supposed to be Open is
> turning more and more into a closed game of big players and growth for OSM
> is linear - what's our plan?
>
> Yes - we discovered that OSM is linear at CloudMade and our VCs were
> worried too, but that’s not quite the same thing as it being a problem for
> OSM.
>

Reducing licensing ambiguity and making OpenStreetMap more usable by more
people effects non-profit organizations, governments, academics and
companies (both public companies like your employer Telenav and private
companies like Mapbox that have taken VC). Our VC's aren't worried, I'm
worried. All of us on this list are on the same team, we want OpenStreetMap
to be the conical data set for the world. Mapbox buys address data and
directions data from traditional third party providers, much like Telenav
does this for Scout. Its one of the data sources for us, in addition to
OpenAddresses and other open government data sets that have clear licensing.

How is it a bad thing that OSM is used in more places where it can't be
used today and hence grows? The lack of clarity around use cases like
geocoding infects other datasets with ODBL is killing the incentives for
businesses, NGOs and government to contribute to OSM. Let's clarify the
important use cases, leave share alike intact and we all have a better OSM.
Looking back over to the other thread, I don't think we're that far off
from each other:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2015-October/008283.html
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

[Alex Barth]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Steve Coast  wrote:

> If you want all these rights, you can just pick up the phone and pay HERE
> or TomTom for them, they’d love to hear from you.


What's more interesting than sending people to HERE and TomTom is making
them contributors to OpenStreetMap, no?
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[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US elections: October 12 townhall with candidates

[Alex Barth]

OpenStreetMap US board elections are coming up October 12 - 18.

We're running a virtual townhall on October 12. Ask your candidates about
their vision for OpenStreetMap and their plans for once elected:

http://openstreetmap.us/2015/10/candidates-townhall/

And - it's not to late to run for elections! Get your name up on the list
by October 10th.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2015#Candidates

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Re: [Talk-us] Consider running for the OSM US board? Join the October 1st campfire chat!

[Alex Barth]

The campfire takes place tonight 8PM Eastern on Hangout:
https://plus.google.com/events/crkhc210lhe1mm8uumnv22tmsjc

You can join even if you haven't RSVP'ed. Please find more detailed
information and alternatives to Hangout on the event page.

Looking forward!

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Alex Barth <a...@openstreetmap.us> wrote:

> *RSVP for an October 1st campfire chat with active board members* to
> learn more about activities of the organization and responsibilities of the
> board:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/a/openstreetmap.us/forms/d/1s7H_jnL6SBRGcico33nqCM0ZQmVCDu5WyaadluwV6u4/viewform
>
> Background:
>
> *October 12-18th are OpenStreetMap US board elections*. Consider running!
> OpenStreetMap US is a great place to promote OpenStreetMap with events and
> outreach programs small (think mapathons) and large (think State of the Map
> US).
>
> http://openstreetmap.us/2015/09/do-you-want-to-be-on-the-osm-us-board/
>
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[Talk-us] Consider running for the OSM US board? Join the October 1st campfire chat!

[Alex Barth]

*RSVP for an October 1st campfire chat with active board members* to learn
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Background:

*October 12-18th are OpenStreetMap US board elections*. Consider running!
OpenStreetMap US is a great place to promote OpenStreetMap with events and
outreach programs small (think mapathons) and large (think State of the Map
US).

http://openstreetmap.us/2015/09/do-you-want-to-be-on-the-osm-us-board/

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

[Alex Barth]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> The later naturally makes the former unnecessary,  so we might as well
> simply propose that geo-coding creates a non-substantive extract (which has
> been suggested btw in a different forum and is in discussion in the LWG).
>

This would work.


> In a way I would actually support this if geo-coding was a clearly and
> tightly defined process, which, as I've pointed out earlier, it isn't.
>

We could work on a definition of geocoding for the purpose of a guideline
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

[Alex Barth]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Paul Norman <penor...@mac.com> wrote:

> On 9/22/2015 4:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote:
>
>> Overall, I'd love to see us moving towards a share alike interpretation
>> that applies to "OSM as the map" and allows for liberal intermingling of
>> narrower data extracts. In plain terms: to specifically _not_ extend the
>> ODbL via share alike to third party data elements intermingled with OSM
>> data elements of the same kind. E. g. mixing OSM and non-OSM addresses
>> should not extend ODbL to non-OSM addresses, mixing OSM and non-OSM POIs
>> should not extend the ODbL to non-OSM POIs and so forth.
>>
>
> Turning this around, when do you think share-alike should apply in a
> geocoding context?
>

If you methodically use a geocoder to reverse engineer the OpenStreetMap
database, share alike would kick in. "Reverse engineering OpenStreetMap"
would need a better definition and it would have to cover two dimensions:

1. Comprehensiveness (not just a "narrow extract" like addresses, buildings
or businesses, but rather a comprehensive extract of the most important
OpenStreetMap features together)
2. Geographic size (e. g. a country)

We could establish these limits with an update to the community guidelines
for what's Substantial.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Geocoding as produced work

[Alex Barth]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> it might actually force
> such a service provider to differentiate between geo-coding for public
> vs in-house use.
>

This suggestion has come up before and I'd like to flag that this is
impractical. No organization would and should take the risk that a
potential future (accidental) publication of a private OpenStreetMap based
work could jeopardize sensitive data. The risk is significant as even the
publication of a Produced Work can bring the share alike stipulations of
the ODbL to bear.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed "Metadata"-Guideline

[Alex Barth]

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> One of the big grey areas remaining wrt our distribution licence is
> defining if, and how you can link from external data to an OpenStreetMap
> derived dataset. Nailing this down is, in my opinion, key to progress in
> getting rid of other areas of contention (for example geo-coding).
>

The Fairhurst Doctrine won't get us all the way on geocoding. It still
leaves open what happens in scenarios where elements of the same kind in
third party databases are geocoded with OSM data and others with third
party data. This is a highly relevant scenario as OSM data particularly for
geocoding (addresses, POIs) is usually not complete enough. The ability to
use OSM for geocoding and "backfill" it with (non-license-compatible) third
party data is exactly what would would make a gradual adoption of OSM
possible.

Overall, I'd love to see us moving towards a share alike interpretation
that applies to "OSM as the map" and allows for liberal intermingling of
narrower data extracts. In plain terms: to specifically _not_ extend the
ODbL via share alike to third party data elements intermingled with OSM
data elements of the same kind. E. g. mixing OSM and non-OSM addresses
should not extend ODbL to non-OSM addresses, mixing OSM and non-OSM POIs
should not extend the ODbL to non-OSM POIs and so forth.

This could be well done within the confines of the ODbL by endorsing the
"Geocoding is Produced Work" guideline
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2014-July/007900.html
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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Alex Barth]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

> It actually appears they are claiming to do so (based on Mapbox
> attribution), though I question how recent their snapshot is or how they're
> coming to some of the conclusions they are in the Tulsa area


Paul - Ian's spot on: the new Mapquest maps on http://beta.mapquest.com/
are OSM except in the US where they're TomTom.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Alex Barth]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Alex Barth <a...@mapbox.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:
>
>> It actually appears they are claiming to do so (based on Mapbox
>> attribution), though I question how recent their snapshot is or how they're
>> coming to some of the conclusions they are in the Tulsa area
>
>
> Paul - Ian's spot on: the new Mapquest maps on http://beta.mapquest.com/
> are OSM except in the US where they're TomTom.


Actually to be precise: OSM world wide, TomTom in US + Canada + Mexico.
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[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US elections October 18th 2015

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OpenStreetMap US elections are coming up fast, the elections will run
online just like last time from Oct 12 - 18th.

*Here are all the details*

http://openstreetmap.us/2015/08/do-you-want-to-be-on-the-osm-us-board/

*Consider running for the board! *

We'll hold a session on October 1st for all interested candidates. Sign up
on the blog post to RSVP:

http://openstreetmap.us/2015/08/do-you-want-to-be-on-the-osm-us-board/

*Meet your candidates*

We'll hold a town hall on October 12th with all candidates:

http://openstreetmap.us/2015/08/do-you-want-to-be-on-the-osm-us-board/

*Spread the word*

For example by retweeting us:

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Re: [Talk-at] Grenzimport Wien

[Alex Barth]

2015-08-21 12:02 GMT-04:00 Frederik Ramm :

> Das ist in dieser Allgemeinheit leider nicht richtig. CC-BY gibt dem
> Lizenzgeber weitreichende Freiheit, wie er die ihm zustehende
> Namensnennung einfordert. Er *könnte* beispielsweise fordern, dass auf
> jeder Karte, die mit seinen Daten gemacht wird, unten sein Name steht.
> Sowas können wir nicht erfüllen - wir können nur bieten, dass man es am
> Changeset-Kommentar in der History sieht oder am Source-Tag (dessen
> Bestand wir nicht garantieren können) usw.
>
> Daher muss im Einzelfall mit dem CC-By-Lizenzgeber geklärt werden, ob er
> einverstanden ist.
>

Frederik - ich lese gerade in CC-BY 3.0 US und AT nach und ich kann deinem
Urteil nicht folgen. Auf welche Passage beziehst du dich?

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/at/legalcode

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Any expert CC-BY -> ODbL negotiators?

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On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:

> The problem is that they have specified a license with attribution that is
> unreasonable for geodata (CC BY 3.0 and earlier).
>

How so?

Emphasis is on "in a manner reasonable to the medium" which would be
totally satisfied by a mention and general terms of how data would be
modified on OSM on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Any expert CC-BY - ODbL negotiators?

[Alex Barth]

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de
wrote:

 Hello Steve,

 On 30.08.2015 17:14, Steve Bennett wrote:

 I wonder if there are any expert licence negotiators here who might be
 able to get involved in the discussion.


 I'm no such expert, but they just require attribution. Did they state any
 specific way of doing so? If not, then maybe just mentioning in the wiki is
 fine for them?

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors


Right. You don't need DELWP to give you any statement or permission in
order to import their data to OpenStreetMap or derive data  for
OpenStreetMap from their data.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Any expert CC-BY - ODbL negotiators?

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On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:

 My understanding was that when you import data into OSM, you assign
 special permission to the OSMF to re-license the data under ODbL, so you
 need more than just CC-BY licensing to begin with. Did something change, or
 have I just been mistaken for a long time?


Not quite, you only need special permission if terms aren't clearly
compatible with an import in OSM:

 Sometimes the exact terms under which data can used is unclear and
clarification is needed.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission
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Re: [Talk-de] mangelhafte Namensnennung auf Mapbox-Karten

[Alex Barth]

Hallo - Alex von Mapbox hier.

2015-07-17 8:15 GMT-04:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:


 Nun kenne ich das Mapbox-System nicht gut genug, es könnte durchaus
 sein, dass der Site-Betreiber sich da mit seinem Access-Code einloggt
 und dann in einem Web-UI konfigurieren kann, welche Art der Attribution
 er will. Aber am Ende kommt ein iFrame raus, der von Mapbox ausgeliefert
 wird und eine mangelhafte Attribution hat (im URL taucht sogar das Wort
 attribution auf), bloss es kommt halt keine).


Die Namensnennung geht in diesem Fall auf ein veraltetes Mapbox Studio
style template zurück. Diese Templates sind Teil des Studio downloads, zwei
davon sind betroffen: Pirate und Pencil style. Wir arbeiten gerade daran,
sie aktualisieren.

Ich habe auch gerade ein email an KA News geschickt und ersucht die
Namensnennung, die von der Karte kommt auf der Mapbox.js (Leaflet.js) Seite
zu überschreiben.

Alles beste -

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Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette

[Alex Barth]

This is great work, thank you for setting this up Martijn!

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have done some work to turn the FRA crossing data into a MapRoulette
 challenge to fix missing railway crossings.

 Here is the description I have come up with for now:


 https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xh49ufnwyxp35r/Screenshot%202015-07-06%2008.43.21.png?dl=0

 Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if
 necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to
 use crossing or level_crossing.)

 Thanks,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Mikel Maron mikel.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 A map with all the buildings can look done in the standard rendering,
 but of course we know it's not done. Is there a way to visualize the map to
 take into account the depth and local knowledge of the data? So that the
 pride of filling in the blank spot can be felt even when previous work has
 been done? I'd say that's a design challenge even in well mapped countries,
 which will need to be maintained and updated for the rest of time!


Fully agreed here. Most people find existing map data to build on when they
start mapping. Whether it's an import, remotely mapped or your neighbor who
you may love or hate - someone was there before you. This is going to be
the case even more so as the project matures. I remember from my own
experience that it took me ages to see where to jump in in my home town map
in Washington DC (and if it had been just TIGER data this would have been a
more obvious question to me). There's no doubt that from creating the map
there comes a sense of ownership, but as the project matures - how will new
mappers get confidence to partake in this ownership? All of that in a huge,
multi cultural and global community?

I found some fascinating leads for answers to this question in my new
colleague's Minh Nguyen's presentation at State of the Map US
http://stateofthemap.us/tickling-locals-into-action/ - the upshot is:
mappers learn by seeing other mappers do and this rings true to me
looking at my own experience. But here's a list of questions and ideas that
come to my mind that could all help us collaborate better around the map:

- How can we show better where data is stale?
- Can we show what's missing?
- Better spaces for constructive local conversations - notes and changeset
comments are already a huge improvement. Groups?
- How can the OSMF be more accessible for non-English speakers?
- What else?
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We just extended registration until June 3 noon Eastern - the very last
moment to ensure you'll be on the security list for the UN.

http://stateofthemap.us/

See you in NYC!

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 If you haven't gotten your ticket yet for State of the Map US do so soon:
 ticket sales close on June 1!

 You can register over on the conference web site http://stateofthemap.us/

 The ticket sales close five days before conference start because we need
 to get a UN security pass for all attendees. For the same reason we won't
 be able to register on a walk-in basis throughout the conference.

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We just extended registration until June 3 noon Eastern - the very last
moment to ensure you'll be on the security list for the UN.

http://stateofthemap.us/

See you in NYC!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

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We've got beautiful name:LANGUAGE tags, they work, I say let's use them.
The English speaking community is well started into this practice (just
look at the 1.3 million name:en tags [1]!) - now let's have the rest of us
get in on the fun too ;-)

Frederik's called upon the local-first rule a couple of times. It's a
really useful principle for deciding conflicting edits, and I read it as
local observation wins. This is good, but it shouldn't mean if you can't
read the name of a thing at its place in a specific language it doesn't
have one - just like so many other things that aren't labeled in the real
world in the local language.

In regards to relying on Wikidata for translations: OpenStreetMap is so
much bigger than the people who pay attention to the mailing list.  If we
changed the standing practice of name:LANGUAGE tags and punted translations
to Wikidata - how would the average mapper know about it? Would we write
Wikidata integration for iD and JOSM to allow for seamless editing of
Wikidata translations, then migrate name:LANGUAGE tags off to Wikidata?
This seems a lot of effort for unclear gain.

[1] Others have already compared the usage of name:en vs name:ru
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=name%3Aen
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=name%3Aru


On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote:

 On 29/05/2015 12:58, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:

 On 29/05/2015, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote:

 I'd say that whether or not a name is actually usable to help navigate
 to a place is a pretty important piece of information.

 True. And that what name should give you. The name:CC tags should
 not be a hindrance, at most they should be given alongside name by
 your satnav.

  For example,
 when processing OSM data for my own use I'll try and drop unsigned names
 and refs from roads (there's no point in saying turn left on Foo
 Street if Foo Street does not appear on the sign).

 That's really neat. How do you know wether a street is signposted or
 not ? I don't know of any tag that gives that info. I can't imagine a
 good heuristic using name:CC.  I've added quite a few unsignposted
 street names by asking locals.


 I've used name:signed=no (though this is by no means an accepted tag, and
 if anyone can come up with a more accepted version that does the same job
 I'm all ears).

 Maybe something like name:signed=en;cy might solve the name
 verifiability problem for Abergavenny?

  It's the same
 principle here - if there are 300 names for a place, are you really
 suggesting that I have to do an external check to some other database to
 find that as it's in South Wales, signs are likely to be in Welsh and
 English, so it's those language names that I need to look out for?

 What's wrong with name ? What's the UK policy on the content of
 name for places with Welsh and English names ? If you want to see
 Welsh names as often as possible but still make the local name more
 prominent, use local name (welsh name if different) in your map
 generating script.


 The problem here is that there are two* equally valid and correct names
 (in on-the-ground verifiable terms) for Abergavenny.

 Obviously there are more complicated places too -
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/52241235 and
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/267762522 immediately sprung to mind
 (re the former I thought that it was An Daingean that appeared on the
 official signs these days?).

 Cheers,

 Andu

 * or possibly three if you count Latin.  It wouldn't surprise me if that
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OpenStreetMap is the spatial representation of the world - wouldn't it make
sense then to also store the translations for locations in OpenStreetMap?

If there are storage or editor UI issues, would it be worthwhile solving
them to enable translation?


On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I agree that OSM is not the proper place to record every possible
 translation of every place name. And I think that Wikidata should be that
 proper place and just leave the few name:xx tags in place for the major
 languages that are spoken in that place, and only if the name is not a
 straight-up transliteration.

 A possible problem is that currently, Wikidata notability policy[1] means
 that Wikidata will only contain items for notable
 objects/entities/concepts. (But note that Wikidata is much, much more
 inclusive than Wikipedia—Wikidata will contain vastly more items than
 Wikipedia has articles.) This means that not all buildings, streets, and
 other objects that we have in OSM will have corresponding Wikidata items.

 [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability


 On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
 wrote:

 Hi,

we're seeing more and more name:xx tags on OSM objects.

 Not only are speakers of widely used languages adding their language
 tags all over the world; but rising interest in OSM also brings us to
 the attention of language lovers and speakers of minority languages. The
 less established a language is, the more committed its few proponents to
 have their language respected and recorded.

 The place node for London has 154 name tags as we speak, but there are
 several thousand languages in use on the planet, so there's still room
 for enhancement.

 Not only well-known tourist magnets carry foreign names; some dedicated
 language mappers have gone over and beyond the call of duty and added,
 for example, name:ru tags even to small villages:

  http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name%3Aru#map

 (This is a matter currently under investigation by Data Working Group
 and it is relatively certain that not all 582,653 name:ru tags will
 remain.)

 It is difficult to judge when such foreign names have a right to be
 there, and when they're just inventions or name translations or
 transliterations. I guess we'll have to make rules on that somehow, but
 at the same time I dread doing it, and I wonder:

 If a place has a wikidata tag, could/should we then simply defer to
 Wikidata for names in other languages?

 We are a database of geodata and not one of international cultural
 heritage; even if London has a name in over 2000 languages, is OSM
 really the place to record these 2000 names? Would it not be better to
 record the wikidata link for London, and then (perhaps in co-operation
 with people at Wikidata) provide means for people doing map rendering to
 join OSM data with a separately-loaded translation table from Wikidata?

 We could then limit ourselves to using a name tag for the locally used
 name, or continue to allow a name:xx but only if these languages were
 actually used by the local population; throw in an int_name if you want
 (but some may say that's already an unfair privilege for users of
 English and the Latin alphabet). Anything else - i.e. names used for a
 place in other languages than the local ones - would be off-topic for
 OSM and should be recorded in Wikidata.

 Do you think Wikidata could play that role, and take the burden off of
 us? Or is Wikidata not mature enough for that yet, or even unsuitable?

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If you haven't gotten your ticket yet for State of the Map US do so soon:
ticket sales close on June 1!

You can register over on the conference web site http://stateofthemap.us/

The ticket sales close five days before conference start because we need to
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ticket sales close on June 1!

You can register over on the conference web site http://stateofthemap.us/

The ticket sales close five days before conference start because we need to
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[OSM-talk] Low State of the Map US hotel room rates

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We've secured crazy low hotel room rates for State of the Map US starting
at $60 / night for three nights at the New School's 13th Street Residence.

Book fast!

https://twitter.com/sotmus/status/595299230928908289

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We've secured crazy low hotel room rates for State of the Map US starting
at $60 / night for three nights at the New School's 13th Street Residence.

Book fast!

https://twitter.com/sotmus/status/595299230928908289

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Re: [Talk-us] Happy weekend - join the #Mapathon!

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DC went great too. We went out and micro mapped some of the parks around
Dept. of Interior. Expect more updates to come around this area now that
people are entering their data:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/38.89465/-77.04202

A few photos of the event here:

http://www.meetup.com/MappingDC/photos/26040874/


On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Madison Maptime Mapathon will begin in 1.5 hours, and it's a beautiful day
 here! In case there are Madisonians on the list who for some strange reason
 have missed the event announcment, please do come!
 http://maptime.io/madison/event/2015/04/12/event/

 On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 11:28 AM Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Just want to report that the OSM NYC Meetup yesterday went great!

 It's a shame that I didn't know the weather today would be a so much
 warmer, but there's no way to plan for things like that weeks in
 advance...

 - Serge

 On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Alex Barth a...@openstreetmap.us
 wrote:
  Join this weekend at the US wide spring #mapathon. Find the official
  locations on the OpenStreetMap US blog or just join from home. All you
 need
  to join is tag your edits #mapathon in the changeset comment. As always,
  outdoors surveys and indoors activities are welcome!
 
  http://openstreetmap.us/2015/04/spring-mapathon/
 
  Happy weekend everyone -
 
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Join this weekend at the US wide spring #mapathon. Find the official
locations on the OpenStreetMap US blog or just join from home. All you need
to join is tag your edits #mapathon in the changeset comment. As always,
outdoors surveys and indoors activities are welcome!

http://openstreetmap.us/2015/04/spring-mapathon/

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Re: [OSM-talk] SotM 2016: Call for venues - Last Week

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Here's the call:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
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 Hi all,

 Just one more weekend until the call for venues for State of the Map 2016
 closes. We've also got the website up and running thanks to Tom H and the
 Operations Working Group. I'm getting excited and we still have a long way
 to go!

 www.stateofthemap.org

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Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

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On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 The events are characterized as Edit-a-thons and they were designed
 to be run indoors. They were essentially a response from some members
 of the community who felt that Mapping Parties were not for them. The
 advantage of an Edit-A-Thon is that they can be run indoors (unlike
 Mapping Parties), but if you look at most Edit-A-Thons going on next
 week, and you look at the history of them (look at the talk-us
 archives) they're still largely indoor events.


#editathons are #mapathons since last summer and they've since at least a
year and a half now explicitly encouraged people to go outside - not least
because of your feedback Serge:

June 2013
Rather want to go outside and survey? Nothing should stop you from that.
http://openstreetmap.us/2013/06/july-summer-editathon/

In June 2014 we renamed 'editathons' to 'mapathons' to clarify: go out and
survey!
http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/

I would also love to see a foot survey activity at StateOfTheMap.us in NYC
in June. I know my OSM US board colleagues Martijn and Alyssa are talking
to some people about this. If anyone here on this list is interested in
help lead a foot survey at State of the Map US, get in touch:
sot...@openstreetmap.us .

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Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

[Alex Barth]

I actually think it's fine Frederik has opinions about how we should do
things around here in the US and shares them. I just don't want to be
called a couch potato in the course of it ;-)

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:



 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

 On 04/03/2015 02:41 AM, stevea wrote:


 It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of
 these two:

 (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web
 pages and other sources to look for stuff they could upload to OSM
 (because it's such a big country and nobody could possibly, yadda yadda
 yadda)

 (b) A project for people who roll up their sleeves, travel to places of
 humanitarian crises, and help those in need by creating maps where the
 government hasn't done their job well.


 Wow Frederik,

 In your post related to one of your pet-peeves about the US OSM community
 you managed to stumble across one of MY PET PEEVES!

 Honestly I have a hard time with people who spend a lot of time on the
 country specific mailing lists telling people that live, are from or often
 travel to a specific country or area what OSM is to them. If I'm correct
 you have never lived in the US, you have never spent significant time in
 the US, you have no plans to move to the US or any other particular
 interest, right? So why do you come over to talk-US and tell the people
 that do all of those things what OSM should be to them?

 If we want a free map of the entire world we should all be free to make
 our own meaning out of OpenStreetMap. That is of course within the
 boundaries of the license.

 Signed,

 Someone who has mapped her neighborhood by hand, imported data and
 traveled to places of humanitarian crisis all with OSM.  Additionally I
 live and am from the US.

 -Kate

 P.S. Specific to the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team and your suggestion
 that it is mostly people from the US. That is simply not the case. HOT's
 new current board is 7 people and only one is from the US. I also suspect
 our contributors are more from a few countries in Europe than anywhere
 else.




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Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 In the current board term I counted 15 blog posts. The breakdown of these
 is

 7 conference
 3 indoor computer-based events
 2 non-OSM geo-related projects
 2 chapter administrative
 1 HOT

 Last year, it is similar, except the conference itself was within the time
 collected
 21 conference
 10 indoor computer-based events
 4 chapter administrative
 1 HOT


None of the indoor events you listed are indoor only, they are all
mapathons and we leave it explicitly up to the local organizer whether they
want to go out or stay in. Obviously there's a misunderstanding and we need
to work on better communicating this. More outside pictures everyone! -
among other things.

Looking at Eleanor email just now on this same thread I want to highlight
this sentence:

 My first editathon - led by another community member - involved walking
around outdoors on a college campus.

This is why we're doing mapathons (previously editathons) - they bring new
people into the community! How awesome is that?

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Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

[Alex Barth]

Also! There's still time to join the upcoming #mapathon by organizing an
event in your community
https://twitter.com/OpenStreetMapUS/status/584378522245922816

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Eleanor Tutt eleanor.t...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi, Serge.
 
  As a member of the chapter board, I feel a bit erased? misrepresented? by
  your email. It hurt, especially because I think you and I share some
 common
  ground about why we map and that it is important to feel a connection to
 a
  place.

 You're right that I painted everyone with the same brush, and that
 wasn't my intent; I'm sorry. It's hard to be critical of an
 organization and not the individuals, but you're right, I probably
 could have done a better job.

  At any rate, while you are more qualified to speak to the history of OSM
 as
  a whole than I am, I do want to say a few things that will maybe help you
  get the know my personal history with OSM:

 There are people on this list who were involved in OSM longer than me.
 I don't believe I have special qualifications beyond being there.

  When I was new to OSM and first learned about editathons, I didn't know
  anyone involved with OSM or have any preconceived ideas about the
 project.
  All I knew was that editathons sounded amazing, so I made the effort to
  connect with other local mappers and start building more of a community
 in
  my region.  My first editathon - led by another community member -
 involved
  walking around outdoors on a college campus.  My second editathon - led
 by
  myself - involved walking around outdoors in a neighborhood commercial
  district.  In my experience, editathons have always been a way for
 community
  members to get together and map in whatever manner made the most sense -
  sometimes outdoors, sometimes indoors.  There can be value in both.
  I remember Paul's post, I was elected to the chapter board, and - it's
 true!
  - I don't have very many OSM edits compared to many members of the
  community.  That doesn't mean I don't go out and map my community - I
  described in a different email how I do so.  But I contribute in other
 ways
  as well.  Last month, I led a group of students in a survey of a nearby
  neighborhood.  I spent hours walking through the neighborhood with them,
  helping mark points, and then helping them enter their data when they
  returned.  I did not personally make a single edit with my OSM user name.
  However, I contributed to those edits invisibly, behind the scenes, and I
  believe several of those students will become regular contributors.

 Maybe time erases this stuff, and that's a good thing.

 Again, my apologies. Especially as someone who doesn't have a car, I
 know the challenge that mapping can be for folks like us, and major
 kudos to you for your mapping and community work.

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Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

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Not sure it is necessary to suggest all nonhackers and non humanitarians on
this list are couch potatoes to further the argument.

Osm is a place where imports happen, we have rules to stick to, we want to
have educated discussions about those rules.

I am tired of import bashing as an unproductive tangent on almost all
import related discussions.

On Friday, April 3, 2015, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

 On 04/03/2015 02:41 AM, stevea wrote:
  Erring on the side of high ground safety might be
  a good place to plant an initial flag, but if it's location is wrong and
  we need to move it to a more accurate place, we must do so.

 Frankly - no. OSM does not depend on the inclusion of third party data
 sources for its quality. Taking a high ground safety approach with
 regards to third-party rights in data might cut us off from some third
 party data sources but then re-publishing these third party sources in
 OSM clothes doesn't do us much good anyway.

 If an individual is desperate to use a third party data source, let them
 do the due diligence on the legality of the source, but it certainly
 isn't us who must move our flag to make it (even) easier to swamp us
 with (often low quality) third-party data.

  It sounds like it is getting a bit shrill.  I'll say it again:  I wish
  light, not heat.

 I would be absolutely thrilled if more people, especially more
 Americans, would stop thinking about what data they could take and add
 to OSM, and instead grab a GPS, or their car, or their boots, or
 bicycle, or mobile phone, or all of that, and simply map stuff.

 It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of
 these two:

 (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web
 pages and other sources to look for stuff they could upload to OSM
 (because it's such a big country and nobody could possibly, yadda yadda
 yadda)

 (b) A project for people who roll up their sleeves, travel to places of
 humanitarian crises, and help those in need by creating maps where the
 government hasn't done their job well.

 The idea that you could also roll up your sleeves and map your own
 backyeard, village, town, or city quarter, instead of copying from
 official bicycle route publications, official railway brochures, or
 stuff that the administration has done, seems to occur to very few
 people, and others will say: OpenStreetMap is cool, but I don't think
 that actually going out and doing a survey is a good use of my time.

 I'm really sad that time and time again we have to fight about whether
 or not a specific source is permitted to be used in OSM, when we could
 just collect the facts ourselves and therefore be completely free of any
 legal implications (and also free of errors that others may have made).

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Re: [Talk-us] New North America coverage of Osmose QA

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Thank you Frédéric and Osmose team!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi,

 Osmose QA is a Quality Assurance tool. It detects and reports errors based
 on more than 200 rulesets.

 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose

 We are glad to announce the new North American coverage of Osmose QA.
 After Africa and Antarctica, America is the last fully covered continent.
 This is possible because of interest of MapBox on data quality and their
 sponsorship of Osmose QA project through OpenStreetMap-France with € 2.000
 donation. This allowed us to rent a new server for a couple of years to run
 the North America analysis.

 After the new active areas are in place, we checked the results and
 adjusted the analysers according to local mapping usages. Nevertheless we
 are still open to comments (and code) to improve the quality of errors
 detection.

 Setting up quality analyser in a new area always come up with lot of
 errors detected - and some errors coming from noisy imports. Do not
 discourage yourself by the quantity of errors. In Osmose QA you can filter
 errors by severity, categories, topics and so on. You can look up at errors
 on objects where your are the last editor. You can also show errors list,
 exports and graph over time.

 We plan to rent a second server and try to finish Europe coverage. Then it
 will miss large part of Asia and Oceania to cover the world.
 Donations are welcome to extend Osmose QA coverage on the last missing
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[Talk-us] Get your $90 early bird ticket to State of the Map US by TUESDAY

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Tuesday 31st is the last day to get an early bird ticket at $90 to State of
the Map US at the UN in New York City.

Thereafter the tickets will be $150.

http://stateofthemap.us/

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Re: [Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 244 17.3.–23.3.2015

[Alex Barth]

Hallo! Danke für die Notiz!

Kleine Verbesserung:

 Zwischenergebnis zur SotM US: Es wurden mehr als 230 Förderanträge
gestellt und fast 60 Vorträge eingereicht.

Richtig ist:

 Zwischenergebnis zur SotM US: Es wurden mehr als 230 Förderanträge
gestellt und **über 200** Vorträge eingereicht.



2015-03-25 13:56 GMT-04:00 wn reader wnrea...@gmail.com:

 Hallo,

 die Wochennotiz Nr. 244 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der
 OpenStreetMap Welt ist da:

 http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2015/03/wochennotiz-nr-244/

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Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 I apologize for coming in so late on this thread. Looking at my small
 county, we have 55 place=hamlet according to an overpass query.


Note we're only talking about `place=hamlet` in urban areas. I wasn't 100 %
clear whether your post referred to `place=hamlet` nodes in urban areas or
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[OSM-talk] This Sunday: last opportunity to submit a talk to State of the Map US

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This Sunday is the last opportunity to submit your talk to State of the Map
US!

Share your experience with mapping, OpenStreetMap software or your vision
for the project. We'd love to hear from you and have you at the conference!

http://stateofthemap.us/talk

Have a great weekend -

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[Talk-us] This Sunday: last opportunity to submit a talk to State of the Map US

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This Sunday is the last opportunity to submit your talk to State of the Map
US!

Share your experience with mapping, OpenStreetMap software or your vision
for the project. We'd love to hear from you and have you at the conference!

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Re: [Talk-in] About having a mapping party in Koorachundu Village Panchayat - Kozhikode district - Kerala - Reg.

[Alex Barth]

This is a very impressive initiative, thank you for sharing. It is a living
example of what Mikel is talking about in yesterday's post:

For government, OpenStreetMap is more than just data, it's a
transformation

http://openstreetmap.us/2015/03/government-and-openstreetmap/

On Saturday, March 21, 2015, Jaisen Nedumpala jaisuv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hai,

 I have written a blog post, about the background, and the need of the
 mapping experiments held at Koorachundu Village Panchayat.

 Here is the link:

 http://blog.smc.org.in/mapping-efforts-in-an-unsurveyed-land-koorachundu/

 Valuable comments expected.

 2014-07-16 8:52 GMT+05:30 Jaisen Nedumpala jaisuv...@gmail.com
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 Hai,

   I have discussed the idea with the president and secretary, and they
 offered their whole-hearted support for this plan. They suggested to
 conduct this programme in the next week, starting from 21/7/2014 (Monday)
 and finish the work on 25/7/2014 (Friday). (Sorry for this short notice.)

 A very simple inaugural and introductory function is scheduled at 11.00
 am on 21/7/2014 (Monday).
 Venue: The panchayat meeting room, O/o Koorachundu Village Panchayat,
 Koorachundu.

 A simple closing ceremony will also be there on 25/7/2014 (Friday) at
 3.00 pm in the evening, everyone who participated can share their
 experience during this programme.

 We have the contact details of resource persons for all the wards, and
 they will participate in the inaugural meeting and will help the mappers
 during the physical survey in the field. They will also participate in the
 closing ceremony too.

 Special note: No need to worry if anybody can't reach here for the
 inaugural function, they can join us any time before 25/7/2014.

 We are on the way to arrange the lodging facilities, for those who are
 coming from distant places. So please send me a personal mail off-list,
 those who love to help us and want to participate during this period.

 If any one can arrange a few extra handheld GPS receivers, and/or spare
 smartphones with GPS receivers will be considered as their kind blessing
 for this venture. :)

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for another TIGER tool.  I used it to look at some areas and made
 changes.  The map reminds me of another map that MapBox produced several
 years ago using a slider tool.
 Useful features:
 * Timely updates.  The old slider map was never updated and lost value
 after a couple of edits.  Oh! I see that my edits showed up.  The problem
 is how do you remove the yellow TIGER data?


Yea. this is on my far-out backlog. A live (or daily) updated TIGER
diff map, ideally at first showing only major roads.


 * iD, Potlach, JOSM, remote control features.


What do you mean by that?



 Interesting problems:
 * The Census staff got the news of sub-prime rate subdivisions.  These
 were plated but are still farmland.  It is too early to try and map the
 subdivision.
 * I added a sub-prime rate subdivision that had the grading in place
 with construction tags.  The existing Tiger layers provided the names.
 * I found some areas that had explosive growth.  I recall adding the areas
 because of interesting buildings, etc.  The TIGER data still shows roads
 that have been removed via new development.  For example a new commercial
 area has yellow TIGER roads going through a building.
 *  The false positives that I saw were related to new construction--well
 it is several years old now.  An area was developed.  All the existing
 roads were removed and folded into the new development. The yellow lines
 remaining were, say, between the secondary road and the first road of the
 subdivision.  The yellow road may have been the original alignment of the
 secondary or possibly a farm road.


Yup. We're cautious and trust the TIGER data only where it coincides w/
imagery and there we trace off the imagery and don't just take the TIGER
data. Sometimes you run into situations where you just don't know whether
TIGER's right or the imagery (a lot of imagery is pretty old on Bing) - in
these cases we just don't touch the data, maybe drop a note.

There are also many places where TIGER is just flat out behind - an
opportunity for community and government to work more closely together.
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[OSM-talk] Today is your last chance to apply for a scholarship to New York City

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Today is your last day to apply for a scholarship to State of the Map US at
the United Nations Headquarters in New York City. This program is for
everybody no matter whether you live in the US or elsewhere.
We particularly designed it to make this an affordable and diverse
conference for the OpenStreetMap community and those who want to become a
part of it!

Details: http://openstreetmap.us/2015/01/scholarships/

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Re: [Talk-us] Your opinion about SOTM US

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Y, this would be the most accurate way to put this. Most often actually
neither data is excellent. We have an opportunity here in the US: create
the most spatially accurate and complete dataset available.

On Sunday, March 15, 2015, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:


 On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@mapbox.com'); wrote:

 Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:

 https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360


 I think the correct phrase is Here's a map showing where TIGER is
 different than OSM. Just because new TIGER data is available, doesn't make
 it better. In my limited experience with just small parts of two states,
 new TIGER data in rural areas is often bad.

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Re: [Talk-us] Communication Working Group Proposal

[Alex Barth]

This is great. Here are some concrete ideas where comms work for OSM.US
could be *much better*:

- Collect great stories of the OSM space and bring them on the OSM us blog:
interviews with interesting community members, highlight  data problem,
highlight a beautiful spot on the map
- Build bigger comms campaigns: OSM in education, OSM in government, OSM in
businesses. Series of blog posts, reaching
- Press work: getting the word out to all the big and small geo interested
media channels out there has been a challenge
- Community outreach work: similar to press - how can we notify related
communities of interesting OSM events and news?
- Write an awesome **newsletter** every other month with top stories from
the OSM space (we have 400+ members of OSM US as recipients, we could build
up a new newsletter just for updates)
- Write a manual for how to run a mapping party (sounds a bit odd for CWG
maybe, but I see most mapping parties falling short on comms, but doing
great otherwise. Simple things like where to advertise, take pictures, blog
what you did...)

Anyone with energy to push on comms is welcome. We have a coordination repo
on Github for comms. If you're interested in joining it say so and I'll add
you.

Alex


On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 The US Chapter of OSM does not have a Communication Working Group. It like
 to see if there is interest in starting up a group to service the interests
 of the US Chapter with the goal of increasing the visibility of OSM within
 the US. I'd particularly like to hear from people with communication
 experience, not necessarily just with OSM.

 Having a CWG would also benefit us by helping to grow the mapper
 community. The more people hear about OSM, I think the more mappers we will
 gain. For example, I try to email via OSM every new editor in our Meetup
 area. I don't know how much this has helped, but we now have over 300
 members in our Meetup group. Unfortunately we only reach the segment of the
 population that has already found us. We need to reach a wider audience
 than those that stumbled on OSM. It is especially hard to reach women and
 minorities. That is where the CWG to make more people aware of OSM.

 If you are interested and have experience with communications, or just
 interested in helping, I'd like to hear from you.

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[Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

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What do people think about how to properly retag place=hamlet in US urban
areas?

My colleague Eliane rendered out a map of all hamlets in urban areas in the
US:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/samely/diary/34541

I just posted how we could fix this:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/samely/diary/34541#comment29931
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote:

  The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
 control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate Yes, I'm
 done or Needs more work, and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
 taken out of rotation.

 Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?


Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT
tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :)

Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:

https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360

It's using the same data you'll get if you use the New  Misaligned TIGER
Roads layer in iD and JOSM, so all of the map above is actionable.

At Mapbox we're working on focusing better our work better going after the
higher order road networks first. Happy to share once we have results here.
I don't have an ETA for this work yet.

Also relevant: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/34290

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

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On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

 While we can build better tools to process large numbers of notes, the one
 thing we can't
 do under the current system is ask the person who wrote the note for more
 information.  There's (usually)
 just one chance to collect that information.  And when the map is updated,
 is an excellent time to draw
 people back to OSM for a second look (so they can take pride in having
 contributed).


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[Talk-us] Scholarships and talks deadlines - we'd like to hear from you!

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Hello everyone -

Important deadlines are coming up for State of the Map US:

- March 15: apply for a scholarship
- March 22: submit a talk
- March 31: last day to get an early bird ticket for $90

This is particularly a call to everyone subscribed to this list. So many of
you do amazing work on the map or on OpenStreetMap software - we'd love to
invite you to share experiences from your work or your ideas for the
project.

Submitting a talk is not the only way to participate:

- You can schedule birds of a feather sessions (round tables) ad-hoc at the
conference
- There will be a hack day with plenty of space and opportunity for code
sprints, documentation sprints, and workshops
- The international Maptime community will hold their summit at the
conference
- The American Red Cross will be hosting a missing maps party
- There will be an NYC foot survey

Get in touch if you have ideas: bo...@opensteretmap.us or just post here on
the list.

This conference is organized by the OpenStreetMap US chapter and volunteers
but this is really an open invitation to anyone in the world. Look at it
like your neighbor is throwing a party and everyone's invited over.

Looking forward to seeing you in New York -

Alex

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[OSM-talk] Scholarships and talks deadlines - we'd like to hear from you!

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Hello everyone -

Important deadlines are coming up for State of the Map US:

- March 15: apply for a scholarship
- March 22: submit a talk
- March 31: last day to get an early bird ticket for $90

This is particularly a call to everyone subscribed to this list. So many of
you do amazing work on the map or on OpenStreetMap software - we'd love to
invite you to share experiences from your work or your ideas for the
project.

Submitting a talk is not the only way to participate:

- You can schedule birds of a feather sessions (round tables) ad-hoc at the
conference
- There will be a hack day with plenty of space and opportunity for code
sprints, documentation sprints, and workshops
- The international Maptime community will hold their summit at the
conference
- The American Red Cross will be hosting a missing maps party
- There will be an NYC foot survey

Get in touch if you have ideas: bo...@opensteretmap.us or just post here on
the list.

This conference is organized by the OpenStreetMap US chapter and volunteers
but this is really an open invitation to anyone in the world. Look at it
like your neighbor is throwing a party and everyone's invited over.

Looking forward to seeing you in New York -

Alex

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

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Bryce - this is an interesting review, thanks for sharing.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 As for Scout, I talked about this in my diary entry
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/28208 some time ago -
 not all of these are going to be useful and there is going to be noise.
 We're looking at improving the quality of the notes that make it through -
 which is already a tiny, tiny fraction the notes we get internally. Only
 through making mistakes do we learn how to get it right - not by not doing
 it in the first place. I would say it's a stretch to call this a 'huge
 waste' of our time - as I write this there are only a little over 100 notes
 posted on OSM through our Scout users.


For the same reason we don't just open a note for map feedback we get from
the feedback button on Mapbox maps. Only about ~~1% of all feedback we
receive winds up as a note on OpenStreetMap and that only happens after the
feedback has been reviewed manually.

In general I think it should be easier, not harder, to create notes and
 Ian's onosm is a good example of how to accomplish that. Adding artificial
 friction makes no sense to me. Less notes should not be an objective,
 smarter ways to look at them and process them should.


I agree, simplicity rules.

Some ideas to manage the overkill, not all of this is necessarily stuff
that needs to be built into osm.org:

- An interface for reviewing notes fast - this would allow for allowing
some of us to triage notes. E. g. close them or classify them as needs
local knowledge / needs armchair mapping.
- A friendly walk through for the first time user.  Hey, using notes for
the first time? Like we iD does this. Goal: set expectations of what notes
are for.
- Some ways of dealing with spam (would be useful to quantify some of the
issues you found for this)
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

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Casting the net a little wider:

What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
the Map?



On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hey all,

 I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US
 conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of
 talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or
 organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey
 here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O

 If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion
 my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time.

 Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks:
 http://stateofthemap.us/talk/

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

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It would be great to have this topic at State of the Map US as a talk,
workshop or a mapping party http://stateofthemap.us/

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd also suggest the Pushpin app for iPhones too, it's a very quick way to
 add points that you can then add the details to later. On a previous
 mapathon I was doing Pushpin while my buddy was writing down the details
 (address, hours, website etc) to add back when we got to the library. It
 worked great!

 Andrew


 On Monday, March 9, 2015, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:

 I don't want to gush in a too self-congratulatory way, but the comments,
 tone, replies... we've seen on this thread have been awesome.  Very nicely
 contributed, everybody, back pats and thumbs up all around.

 Keeping quiet for a bit now,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Alex Barth]

Casting the net a little wider:

What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
the Map?



On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hey all,

 I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US
 conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of
 talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or
 organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey
 here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O

 If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion
 my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time.

 Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks:
 http://stateofthemap.us/talk/

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Re: [Talk-in] Fwd: OpenStreetMap events in 2015

[Alex Barth]

I am part of the organizing committee of State of the Map US this year.
There is a great scholarship program to offset travel cost and the call for
proposals is open. Check out the web site:

http://stateofthemap.us/about/

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Yogesh योगि 
yog...@karnatakaeducation.org.in wrote:


 No SoTM from OSMF this year.. But there'd be SoTM-US and SoTM-Scotland in
 June and October respectively..

  Forwarded Message   Subject: OpenStreetMap events in 2015  
 Date:
 Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:17:42 +  From: OpenStreetMap

 The OpenStreetMap Foundation has been organising the annual State of the
 Map (SotM) conference since 2007. These events have proved popular with our
 community and beyond, and have grown from a few dozen attendees to a high
 of 300 attendees at SotM 2013. This year we had two good bids to host SotM
 2015, but issues beyond our control caused concerns about whether we could
 make this into a success. The SotM working group, with the support of the
 OSMF board, has therefore agreed that there will be no OSM Foundation
 organised conference this year.

 As the OpenStreetMap community has grown over the last 10 years, so has
 the conference scene. Even without OSMF organising a conference this year,
 there will still be a number of OSM-centered conferences, including SotM
 US http://stateofthemap.us/ at the UN’s New York headquarters in June,
 and SotM-Scotland
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_Scotland_2015 in
 October. There are also many webinars, mapping parties, hack events and
 socials planned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Current_events for
 2015.
 [image: UN General Assembly hall]
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/mukluk/434709325

 SotM-US will be held at the UN headquarters in New York, 6-8 June 2015
 (image CC-BY 2.0 Dan McKay)
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/mukluk/434709325/in/photostream/

 The StateoftheMap Organizing Committee
 http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/StateoftheMap_Organizing_Committee
 has taken on a number of new members to support our efforts in 2015, 2016
 and beyond. We are currently drafting a proposal on the future of SotM in
 which we are looking at the role of SotM within the project and how the
 OSMF SotM relates to the various regional events. We already have some
 views but we encourage you to share yours in the comments below.

 Preparations for State of the Map 2016 will be starting soon and we
 encourage local groups who may be interested in hosting SotM in their home
 country to contact us early.

 *Blog post by the StateoftheMap Organizing Committee*



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Re: [Talk-us] Get your early bird ticket to State of the Map US!

[Alex Barth]

Hey Lars -

Just helps us to know our audience better, more than anything this is
useful for future conferences (Like any data of this kind of personally
identifiable data we collect we don't share). It's mandatory to make sure
we get the info ;-)  Please write 'none' or anything else in there if
you're attending on your own behalf.

Thanks!

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com wrote:

 On 01/28/2015 02:39 PM, Alex Barth wrote:

 Hello everyone!

 Early bird ticket sales for State of the Map US are open, find out all
 the details on our web site:

 http://openstreetmap.us/2014/12/early-bird/


 Looking forward to the conference!

 A minor detail, but is there a reason why Company/Organization is
 mandatory on the registration page? I'm sure plenty of people are planning
 to participate as a private individuals.

 - Lars




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Re: [Talk-us] Get your early bird ticket to State of the Map US!

[Alex Barth]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 Alex,
 If the early bird special is $90.00 what is the sleepyhead price? Is there
 going to be a cut off number for the number of people attending?


Yup, that cutoff number is going to be somewhere beyond 1,000 - and we are
fully planning to sell out the conference :)


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Re: [Talk-us] Get your early bird ticket to State of the Map US!

[Alex Barth]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote:

  Early bird ticket sales for State of the Map US are open, find out all
 the
  details on our web site:

 I looked but could not find an agenda.  Are any of the details available
 yet?


No agenda yet, Greg.

Look out for a call for session proposals. We'll be announcing it here, but
another way of staying in the loop is signing up for the newsletter on
http://stateofthemap.us

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[Talk-us] Get your early bird ticket to State of the Map US!

[Alex Barth]

Hello everyone!

Early bird ticket sales for State of the Map US are open, find out all the
details on our web site:

http://openstreetmap.us/2014/12/early-bird/

Looking forward to seeing you in NYC!

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Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour

[Alex Barth]

Thomas -

The Mappy Hour is a Google Hangout, this next upcoming one is on Monday
26th 8.30 - 9.30 PM Eastern

https://plus.google.com/events/c1a3949vmua4uumivahlddfpj54

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:59 AM, thomas.r...@dot.gov wrote:

  I’ll be happy to join the call. When are you thinking?

 Tom



 *From:* Clifford Snow [mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:35 PM
 *To:* Martijn van Exel
 *Cc:* OSM US Talk
 *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour





 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Last time we had Johan from Mapillary as a special guest to talk about the
 latest at Mapillary and do a QA. This was great! If you have ideas for a
 guest, let me know and I can see what I can do!


 Thanks for arranging for Johan to join our call. Do you want to discuss
 ARNOLD, find out what all the fields mean and how we might use the data?
 Tom Roff is willing to join us. Not sure this would work for his schedule,
 but we could ask.



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Re: [Talk-us] Please review: new proposed bylaws for OSM US, open for comments until Jan 20th

[Alex Barth]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 Our new proposed bylaws are open for comments until **January 20th 3PM
 Eastern**.

 Will these new bylaws be compatible with getting Local Chapter status?


Yes.
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[Talk-us] Please review: new proposed bylaws for OSM US, open for comments until Jan 20th

[Alex Barth]

To all OpenStreetMap US members:

Our new proposed bylaws are open for comments until **January 20th 3PM
Eastern**.

As part of the process of bringing our organization in line with IRS
requirements for a 501 c 3 tax deductible status we are applying for our
legal counsel has recommend we update our bylaws to comply with District of
Columbia law - the District of Columbia being the seat of OpenStreetMap US.

Considering your feedback we will bring the new bylaws to a vote by the
OpenStreetMap US membership after January 20th. To pass the new bylaws, we
will need a majority of 2/3 of 50 % of the membership (currently there are
229 members).

Per vote of January 14th, the OpenStreetMap US board unanimously recommends
to adopt the new proposed bylaws as available here:

- PDF http://cl.ly/3X2T1w0U0v0i
- Word http://cl.ly/2a051Q1K0k1M

Compare with the current bylaws:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Bylaws

While the new bylaws are rewritten from ground up following proven
templates for 501 c 3 organizations, there are actually few effective
changes:

Should all members be deceased or dissolved or should all members have
resigned, additional members may be nominated by the Board and elected at
any annual or special meeting of the Board.
4.1 (c) - ensures that non of the board members personally benefits of OSM
US earnings
4.1 (d) - Explicitly states the board can appoint advisors (isn't
explicitly denied in current Bylaws)
4.2 - board can be 3-9 directors (now 4-9), must be uneven number (now: no
regulation)
4.3 - All directors shall be members of the Corporation
4.5 - Removal. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any
time during his or her term at any regular, special or annual meeting of
the members, by a two-thirds (2/3) majority vote of a minimum of fifty
percent (50%) of all member (this used to be )
4.8 - Ability to form committees including executive committees - this is
fine as it's in-line with the laws of DC and not something that the
previous Bylaws prohibited
4.9 - this is new and will help us with gaining 501 c3 status: Directors
cannot be paid for their services to OSM US but may be reimbursed for
expenses
5.6 - Quorum. At meetings, a majority of the directors then in office or a
majority of the current members shall be necessary to constitute a quorum
for the transaction of business. - this is better than todays rule which
says a quorum is determined at the beginning of a meeting (VII/3)
12.1 - Dissolution - this is an important change for us to be able to
attain 501c3 status: Current bylaws say upon dissolution, OSM US assets go
to OSMF, new bylaws say  shall be disposed of in accordance with the laws
of the District of Columbia, Section 501(c)(3) of the Code - which de
facto ensures that OSM US assets remain in a 501 (c) (3) non profit.

Alex

PS:

- To become a member, sign up here: http://openstreetmap.us/join/
- To inquire about your membership status, send us an email at
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[Talk-us] Meet the new board - offices elected

[Alex Barth]

Hello everyone -

Today we elected the offices of the new 2014/2015 board of OpenStreetMap
US, see the resulting new roles here:

http://openstreetmap.us/2014/12/board-roles/

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Re: [Talk-us] Meet the new board - offices elected

[Alex Barth]

Paul -

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 Previously it was stated that the OSM US conference announcement (SOTM-US)
 would happen after the new board selected their roles. With the conference
 announcement happening in November, what happened during the last month?


Alyssa's accident just before the elections delayed a decision on roles but
not on the SOTM US conference location.

Throughout November we've been further focused on getting the SOTM US
planning off the ground (more on this and an invitation to join committees
soon) and on finalizing our 501c3 application.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Working Group news

[Alex Barth]

Mike -

Thank you for all your work for OpenStreetMap as member and lead of the
Licensing Working Group. I know it's not always fun and work that's often
in the focus of heated debate. I've always admired your cool headedness and
appreciated your practical advice.

Thank you!

Alex


On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:

  The License Working Group is undermanned and has only met twice this
 year, most recently on 28th October. [1]

 This is due in great part to my lack of time, enthusiasm and attention in
 calling meetings.  I am therefore stepping down as below and welcome
 volunteers to join as full members and indeed, subject to the agreement of
 other LWG members and board endorsement, take over the chair role.

 I would also like to highlight that we also now welcome associate members
 who can help us occassionally or want to work on a specific topic that
 fires you up. This involves no specific formalities nor duties.   It has
 been brought to my attention that this might therefore suit legal
 practioners who would otherwise have a conflict of interest.  We would
 certainly welcome involvement from real lawyers!

 Lastly, Satoshi Iida, an extremely active member of the OSM Japan
 community has asked to participate in LWG and I welcome him
 enthusiastically. It is important to broaden our scope beyond Western
 Europe/US thinking.

 Mike


 [1] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes

 === Slightly edited copy of email sent to LWG ==

 Dear LWG,  and CC Board for their information,

 I feel that I do not, and will be unable to give, LWG the time and
 attention it needs.  I have also been in the position for at least 6 years
 and it is time for a new and more enthusiastic face.   I am therefore
 formally resigning as Chair and invite the LWG to consider a replacement.
 I would prefer that this was not a member of the current board, and therein
 lies a problem.  I am asking Simon now his current status, but apart from
 him, all other current members are also board members.  I have also one
 piece of good news in that Satoshi Iida, an extremely active member of the
 OSM Japan community has asked to participate and I welcome him
 enthusiastically.

 I regret adding even more to the current board's starting load, but think
 it best to just face facts. I am therefore happy to stay in a caretaker
 role until that person is in place, but emphasise that this will be less
 than ideal.

 The issues that LWG should ideally be dealing with are:

- Assisting end-users by developing clarificatory community guidelines
for providing OSM-based data services (rather than maps) in a mixed data
environment.
- License compatibility with CC 4 and the general issue of license
harmonisation.
- Diligently answering now frequent license enquiries.


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Re: [Talk-us] OSMF AGM election results

[Alex Barth]

Alan - STV hasn't come up in the more recent past for osm us. Certainly
open to using it in 2015 election.

Alex (osm us board member)

On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Alan McConchie alan.mcconc...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Richard, thanks for the great work you and the other election monitors did
 to make this election run so smoothly. And thanks particularly for your
 series of blog posts explaining how STV (the Single Transferable Vote)
 works.

 I’ve been a supporter of election reform for a long time (something
 acutely needed in the US, Canada, and the UK) and STV is by far the best
 and most practical system I’m aware of. It was a pleasure to get to use it
 in this OSMF election.

 I’m fascinated by the chart you posted [1] that shows how the votes
 transferred through each round of voting. It’s interesting to compare the
 candidates’ manifestos and look for “coalitions of voters who transferred
 their votes between candidates with similar platforms. One of the great
 things about STV is that similar candidates don’t have to worry about
 stealing votes from one another. STV also discourages negative campaigns,
 because candidates want to gain their competitors’ 2nd and 3rd votes (and
 so on). Therefore, candidates are less likely to make personal attacks
 against their competitors. Given all the other chaos and strife that was
 going on with the OSMF leading up to the election, and also because STV is
 a new addition to OSMF’s electoral process, it’s too hard to say if STV had
 any meaningful positive impact on the tone of this election. Maybe we can
 say more in future years.

 I would love it if we adopted STV for the OSM US elections. Has there been
 any discussion about that in the past?

 [1] http://weait.com/sites/default/files/board-2014.png

 Alan

 On Nov 9, 2014, at 6:42 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rich...@weait.com'); wrote:

 The OpenStreetMap Foundation held the 2014 AGM yesterday including
 votes on several matters including the election to the board.

 The results are summarized on the wiki. Official results will be on
 the Foundation web site in future.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM14

 I've added some background on STV (voting method) because it is the
 first time I have been involved in it.  Learn along with me at my site
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Re: [talk-latam] State of the Map

[Alex Barth]

Aa! Si solo fueran más rápidos estes aviones. Voy a levantar una copa para
ustedes desde encima del caribe approximadamente. Los veo en la mañana,
todo fresco.

2014-11-06 17:16 GMT-05:00 Marcelo Aliaga marc...@aliaga.cl:

 Estimados todo el éxito en la jornada. Hoy viajaron nuestros
 representantes de Chile.

 Disfruten del mapeo y la refrescante hospitalidad ;-)

 Abrazos desde Chile.

 2014-11-06 19:10 GMT-03:00 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com:

 Hola amigos,

 Ya han llegado a Buenos Aires para la conferencia? Hoy habrá pizzas y
 cervezas en el Centro Cultural Matienzo a las 8pm:

 https://twitter.com/sotm/status/530463812634566656?s=09

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

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On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:


 my bad, sorry for the confusion, my comment was referring to the following
 edit, which was 4 minutes later:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guidelinediff=nextoldid=1102233


Got it, yes. Databases of items of Produced Work aren't Derivative
Databases per 4.5b.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

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On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:

 where in one of the first paragraphs there is this unproven claim:

 

 Geocoding Results are a Produced Work by the definition of the ODbL
 (section 1.):

 “Produced Work” – a work (such as an image, audiovisual material, text, or
 sounds) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the
 Contents (via a search or other query) from this Database, a Derivative
 Database, or this Database as part of a Collective Database.


A geocoding result is created via a search or a query. It's a Produced
Work. A work can specifically be a database, see
http://www.out-law.com/page-5698, Databases are treated as a class of
literary works and may therefore receive copyright protection for the
selection and/or arrangement of the contents under the terms of the
Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. (UK law)

This is clearly a possible reading of the ODbL and it would enable
geocoding.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

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On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Let's presume we all followed this reading, then when would something
 actually fall under the definition of derivative database? Why would we
 still be writing to legal talk instead of using the whole OSM db as a
 produced work - produced e.g. by performing some operations like wget
 planet.osm -O osm-produced.work


The command you describe would just be a copy and not actually a query or a
search of the database. But extrapolating from what you write, copying the
entire db through a geocoder is actually hard. You'll have to know all
addresses in advance or query all locations in the world. The latter is
expensive and it would always leave you with an inaccurate copy. Either
way, if you did this in a systematic way you'd be looking at a Derivative
Database again. Just like the example of OCRing an OSM based tiled map and
thus rebuilding the OSM database that has come up before.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contents Licence for OSM Data

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:

  For corporations its most of the time easier to spend 500K€ on a
  commercial dataset than to spend 5k€ on a Lawyer analyzing a
  licensing issue.

 If we add up the cost of all the time company representatives have
 spent trying to get OSM to change its licensing *a second time*, it
 would have been a lot cheaper for them to get together and just hire a
 lawyer who knew what they were doing.


1. I wish this was true.
2. I wish you described the problem.

There's a brake on adoption we put on OpenStreetMap by way of share alike
for no tangible benefit. This is not just about shaping the OSM license to
taste for certain 'company representatives' but about the overall growth
potential of the project which is limited by its applications. All we have
in favor of share alike is fear, and the fact that we've used it so far. We
have no significant third party ODbL data releases due to OSM share alike
to show for, but clear reasons and examples of people walking away from the
project because of share alike.

I've stated this argument before and I do understand that for many in the
community share alike represents an important protection for the project. I
don't follow this sentiment at all because of all the reasons Florian laid
out in his response [1]. But I do understand the desire for a strong,
lasting and independent OpenStreetMap. Maybe there's a way to think outside
of the box of a license and come up with guarantees or principles
the OpenStreetMap project would want to have to protect its interests.
Thinking out loud.

[1]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2014-October/008025.html
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 2014-10-29 20:56 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com:

 Updated:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License%2FGeocoding_-_Guidelinediff=1102233oldid=1076215


 wouldn't it make more sense to come to a conclusion here before updating
 the wiki?


Hey Martin - the change you link to was to replace the term 'geocode' with
the more common 'geocoding result' - do you have a specific concern with it?
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

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On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Michal Palenik michal.pale...@freemap.sk
wrote:

 4.4.c. Derivative Databases and Produced Works. A Derivative Database is
  Publicly Used and so must comply with Section 4.4. if a Produced Work
  created from the Derivative Database is Publicly Used.

 which say, that it does not matter whether you declare geocodes produced
 work or derivative db. if this didn't exist, i could declare anything
 a produced work (things like any enhanced database) and the whold odbl
 would not exists.


Right, if your geocoding service is Public in the sense of the ODbL and it
uses an ODbL Derivative Database to look up geocoding results, the
Derivative Database must be disclosed per 4.4. Per 4.4 c this is the case
for both current interpretations on the guidelines. The disclosure
stipulations set forth in 4.6 apply.

Right now, the geocoding guidelines don't talk about the database a
geocoder uses to look up results though, they only talk about the database
geocoding results are stored in. This could change.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

[Alex Barth]

I have two questions on the Collective DB alternative:

 The derivative database consists of the data that has been used as the
input data for the geocoding process, as well as the data that has been
gained from OpenStreetMap in the process. Any additional data that may be
linked to this data, even sitting in the same logical database table, is
however not considered to be part of the derivative database (instead it
forms a collective database together with the derivative database) and
therefore, does not have to be shared under the ODbL.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guideline#.22Collective_Database.22_alternative

1. Why is the input data part of the Derivative Database?
2. This language is not explicit about Geocoding Results from other
databases that are stored in the same database. Would they be part of the
Derivative Database?

An example to clarify my question in (2):

Say I have a database of Starbucks locations with addresses. I use
OpenStreetMap to geocode all addresses and store geocoding results (lat lon
pairs) from OpenStreetMap next to my existing records. A handful of
addresses failed to properly geocode so I use a geocoder with proprietary
data to backfill the results.

What specifically constitutes the Derivative Database here?

A) the input data + records I copied from OpenStreetMap
B) A + any additions of the same kind of Content, aka the lat lon pairs I
added from the proprietary geocoder




On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Rob,

 On 08/21/2014 06:42 PM, Rob Myers wrote:
  It would be great if people would help fill in the blanks, or
  correct me where I might have misrepresented the discussion.
 
  The page asserts:
 
  Geocodes are a Produced Work

 [...]


  The rest of the page then silently slips

 [...]

 I have tried to present the two different viewpoints in two columns. On
 the left is Alex' original version which claims what you summarized in
 your message (that geocodes are produced works etc.); on the right is a
 version that explicitly claims A database of Geocodes is a derivative
 database by the definition of the ODbL - which seems to be exactly the
 statement that you were aiming at, no?

 The blanks that need filling are the consequences of this different
 interpreatation for the various use cases. I added one for use case #1,
 but only an empty column for use cases #2-#4 and #7. I added no extra
 column for #5 and #6 because those struck me as identical under both
 interpretations but of course I might be wrong.

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On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 I'm wondering if we should replace geocodes with geocoding results
 throughout the page. I think it improves clarity as to what is being
 discussed, and geocodes is not a term in common use for what we are
 discussing. Thoughts? It shouldn't change the meaning.


Updated:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License%2FGeocoding_-_Guidelinediff=1102233oldid=1076215
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 A geocoding result is not the same as a database of geocoding results.
 Column 1 says the former is a produced work, but is silent on the latter.


I updated the guide to be explicit about this case:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License%2FGeocoding_-_Guidelinediff=1102235oldid=1102233
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

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Hey Michal -

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Michal Palenik michal.pale...@freemap.sk
wrote:

 alex, please read 4.6 of odbl, which basically says there is no
 difference between derivative db and produced work with regards to
 database rights.


4.6 talks about disclosure standards in cases where share-alike applies
(offer copy of entire database or alteration file). Not sure how this
relates?

http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1-0/
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

[Alex Barth]

Picking up on Paul's offer to help along the discussion here [1]. Also
copying Steve here as he's renewed his call for better addressing in
OpenStreetMap - which I entirely agree with [2].

Feedback from this thread is incorporated on the wiki [2] - thanks
particularly to Frederik for this work. However, we have two competing
visions for how to interpret geocoding. Column 1 of the wiki page
interprets the information queried from OpenStreetMap in a typical
geocoding request as Produced Work, thus not extending share alike
provisions to geocoded data. Column 2 interprets the content pulled from
OpenStreetMap in a geocoding process as a Derivative Database but the
database this content is inserted to as a Collective Database.

Column 1 entirely enables permanent geocoding with OpenStreetMap data from
a legal perspective.

Column 2 doesn't enable permanent geocoding by extending share alike
provisions to the part of a database that contains OSM derived geocodes.
This interpretation would impede the important fall back use case where a
geocoder uses OpenStreetMap data - and where OpenStreetMap data is not
sufficient - proprietary data as a fallback. In such scenarios both
OpenStreetMap data (e. g. lat/lon's) and proprietary data would wind up in
the same database to be licensed under the ODbL. It would also impede use
cases where data is expected to be relicensed.

For making OpenStreetMap viable as a geocoding database, we'll want a
permissive reading of our license - no matter what we opine on share alike
for the larger database. Of course, enabling permanent geocoding isn't the
end-all-be-all strategy for making OpenStreetMap an awesome geocoding
database - but it's an important incentive that we can't do without. Having
more people use OpenStreetMap as a geocoding database will give us better
admin polygons, better place data and better addresses. The opportunity is
huge, none of the proprietary data providers provide reasonable terms for
_permanent_ geocoding - making everyone look for alternatives.
OpenStreetMap should be that alternative.

Would love suggestions on how to proceed on taking a decision here.

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-October/071153.html
[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-October/071135.html
[3]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guideline


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 How would the Collective Database approach work if the OSM Database must
 remain unmodified to be part of a Collective Database?

 The definition of Collective Database seems to be tailored to use cases
 where the OpenStreetMap database *in unmodified form* is part of a larger
 database. I can't quite conjure up a real world example, but the ODbL is
 pretty clear about this:

  “Collective Database” – Means this Database in unmodified form as part
 of a collection of independent databases in themselves that together are
 assembled into a collective whole. A work that constitutes a Collective
 Database will not be considered a Derivative Database. - See more at:
 http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1-0/#sthash.mDtnZAPO.dpuf


 The this Database in unmodified form means the particular database that
 is licensed under ODbL. It can be the OSM database itself, or any database
 derived from the OSM database that must in itself be licensed under ODbL.

 So if you did any transformations on the OSM database (ex., converted it
 into a form suitable for a geocoder), the transformed database is licensed
 under the ODbL. You can either publish this transformed database or provide
 the software used to create the transformed database to comply with the
 license of the source OSM database.

 Then, this geocoder database can become part of the collective database.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

[Alex Barth]

Good call on geocodes - geocoding results. That's clearer.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 What do you think the status of a database of geocoding results is under
 the interpretation in column 1?


According to the interpretation in column 1, the ODbL doesn't imply any
specific licensing for geocoding results, they are Produced Works.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] White Paper on ODbL and OSM

[Alex Barth]

I posted a summary of the white paper on my diary.

In discussions at State of the Map US and EU people have asked for a more
comprehensive review of the license and more specific use cases that we're
currently missing out on - which in turn means contributors we're missing
out on. I hope this paper sheds more light on this. Clearly, share alike is
one of the main impediments to broader adoption, but it's not the only
issue with the license - read on for details.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/25979


On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Kevin Pomfret kdpomf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Attached please find a link to a blog post on the Spatial Law and Policy
 blog that discusses a White Paper prepared by the Centre for Spatial Law
 and Policy on the ODbL and the use of OSM data. The blog post contains a
 link to the paper.


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Re: [Talk-us] SotM-us 2015

[Alex Barth]

Richard -

The bids were submitted private. As soon as the board will reconstitute
after the elections we'll take a decision on the next location for State of
the Map US. FWIW, I personally don't see a reason to not share the
submissions together with the board decision, but I'd love to get the
permission from the submitters and my board colleague's approval for this.

Cheers -

Alex


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 I see that the call for venues for SotM-us 2015 closed two weeks ago,
 but I don't see any bids.  Are the bids private?  Was the call
 extended?

 Best regards and happy mapping,

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Re: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

[Alex Barth]

Steve - would love to work on fixing the license with you so addresses in
OSM make sense in the first place. Right now you practically can't use OSM
for permanent geocoding. See also:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2014-July/007900.html

On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Why are we here on these mailing lists? Why do we spend so much time
 making maps? I think ultimately because it’s fun. It’s a neat hobby and
 we’re making the world a slightly better place.

 You need the right environment for things to be fun. Someone has to
 install the toys in the playground. Someone needs to pay for the slides and
 install the swings so that the kids can run around. Then someone else needs
 to fix them when they fail and make sure you don’t break your neck
 unexpectedly.

 In the past I’ve tried hard to make OSM a fun playground, by doing things
 like taking all the warning labels off and letting people do whatever they
 like. Things like open tagging or letting anyone edit, which were crazy
 ideas in 2004. I’ve also at times been responsible for it not being fun.
 Partly because I was a kid learning the hard way and partly because
 sometimes you need to make decisions.

 I agree that in some ways OSM isn’t a fun playground right now. But that
 doesn’t mean it can’t be again.

 We had a lot of fun with our swings and our slides. But now there are a
 lot more people to join the fun from far away places and we’re older. Maybe
 we now prefer bumper cars and video games to the old swings and slides.

 We should keep the swings and the slides. People new to the playground
 will still enjoy them. But we should also build a bumper car arena and
 maybe a video game arcade. Sometimes we might go back and play on the slide
 too. We need some new skills to build these new toys.

 Together, we need a mission and then a couple of course corrections to
 make it happen.

 I think addressing should be our mission. We built the worlds best display
 map already. We won. If you print out any OSM map of practically anywhere,
 it’s the best. But we can’t find anything on it without comprehensive and
 global addressing information. It’s the hidden data behind the map we now
 need to go after. All the other things we need to do are also good things.
 Diversity in all it’s forms, faster servers, better tools, easier
 documentation and more.

 A clear mission provides a framework and guidance for achieving those
 things. “Map more stuff” got us very, very far. But now, we should focus on
 what’s stopping us replacing proprietary maps. And that is addressing.

 How would we go achieve that?

 There are two basic fixes. Make the board functional and give the board
 bandwidth.

 The board is too big. It grew for good reasons but now it’s just hard to
 achieve anything. Seven people mean that if everyone speaks for five
 minutes in a conversation on some issue, you use over half an hour. In an
 hour-long meeting that means you can barely discuss two things. Ignoring
 all the other issues, just the pure mechanics shows you how hard it is to
 talk through something let alone achieve a consensus. The board needs to be
 3 people. 5 at maximum.

 Being on the board is a difficult job, especially as a volunteer. Most
 people aren’t used to such roles. They may think like I did that they need
 to please everybody all the time. They aren’t able to attend meetings
 because they have a day job and other life commitments. The board needs to
 meet in person regularly with a facilitator and also have guidance about
 what it means to be on a board. We can’t expect volunteers to naturally
 figure all this stuff out by themselves and then also devote the time to
 also achieve goals.

 The board needs paid staff. There are a variety of things those paid staff
 can do which the board can decide. It’s clear that there are things that
 volunteers don’t have fun doing and therefore they don’t happen at all, but
 are still very important for a functioning organization. Having paid staff
 isn’t about deprecating volunteer involvement, it’s about plugging the
 gaps. It’s not a perfect solution but the alternative is to rely on
 companies to do many of these things, and that really isn’t perfect either.

 In terms of the mechanics,

 1. Change the mission statement of OSM to be something like “The world’s
 best addressable map”
 2. The board figures out how to voluntarily shrink to 3-5 people, and,
 meets in person 2-4 times a year
 3. Consulting with the community on exact roles and remit, hire 1-3 people
 [*]

 Together, we could do this in 6-12 months and finish addressing in 1-3
 years. At that point we wouldn’t have just made the world slightly better,
 we would have put a big dent in the universe. Nobody would use a closed map
 ever again, and it would be people like you that made it happen.

 So why don’t we go do that?

 —

 A digression.

 In Peter Thiel’s book “Zero-to-One” he catalogs the fate of 

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental validation software

[Alex Barth]

Dave -

Alex here, I work with Richman (user account RichRico). Thanks for
reporting. Looking into these issues now. Let me get back to you.

The thread you opened here on talk exposed a weakness in our data team
policy - you had no way to actually find from Richman's profile to my
contact to properly escalate an issue. I'l make sure we properly link from
user profiles to this policy so it's clear for people on how to get in
touch if unexpected things are happening.

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/23801


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

  Hi

 Once again I've had user Richrico use this website:
 http://osmlab.github.io/to-fix/?error=unconnected_major5 to inaccurately
 amend data in OSM.

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/65398595#map=19/51.32464/-2.22817

 Way: 65398595 This way is *not* joined.

 For clarification: http://goo.gl/maps/FHp4z

 I've tried to contact him previously, but he failed to respond. I've just
 sent him a second message.

 This,  other similar types of software is being misused to insert errors
 into the OSM database.
 Without local knowledge there is no way users can be sure of the accuracy
 of there edits. They should stick to what they know. I believe this type of
 validation software should be discouraged, if not banned completely.

 I'm getting bored of my OSM time being taken up chasing after users who
 are semi-deliberately adding errors.

 Oh,  on Maproulette I'm getting a virus warning: hxxp://
 198.58.115.35/piwik.js

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[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Latin America and why you should come to State of the Map in Argentina

[Alex Barth]

I just came back from a fantastic OpenStreetMap event around the Latin
American open data conference Condatos in Mexico City. A ton of really
awesome people turned out from all across the Americas and connected for
the first time in real life. Find more details with pics on my diary. Latin
America's putting itself onto the map big time this year, a good excuse for
getting your ticket to Argentina :-)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/23993
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Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women

[Alex Barth]

Great!

On Saturday, October 4, 2014, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all!

 I am pleased to announce that we are providing funding for an internship
 with HOT through the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. This is an
 incredible organizations with proven success in bringing more women into
 open source communities.

 If you know of any great women (of any age!) that might be interested
 please forward along details here:

 https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_
 Team/OPM_Project_Ideas

 We hope this is the first internship of many, and that next round multiple
 organizations come together to offer scholarships. I encourage you to
 mentor and welcome these women into the community as you always do!

 Kate and I are here to answer any questions.

 Best,
 Alyssa.

 PS This by the way is an example of a contribution to OSM not measured in
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Re: [Talk-us] tasks.openstreetmap.us

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Hey there Paul -

This is you, right?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Paul%20Johnson

I just made you admin on tasks.osm.us.

Alex

On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 Who would I talk to about getting access to create tasks on this Task
 Manager?  I'd like to help using it to get a solid baseline for completing
 at least a fully tiger-reviewed, route-relationed, lane-counted Oklahoma to
 start with, which should help everyday users navigate Oklahoma's often
 strange geography, particularly in the case of the inevitable disaster
 (plus reduce the lead-in time for HOT team something to work with when it
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[OSM-talk] Mapbox Data Team Guidelines

[Alex Barth]

Two new full time OpenStreetMap mappers have joined the Mapbox team this
week. This is exciting for me as it allows us to do more direct work on OSM
and contribute back directly. With this recent addition we also want to
introduce guidelines establishing some simple but important rules of how we
want to map as a team within the OpenStreetMap community. I've summarized
them on this diary entry. Looking forward to feedback:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/23801

There's been some prior discussion on organizational mapping policies and I
want to thank people on the thread over here for inspiration:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-May/069772.html

Have a great weekend everyone -

Alex
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[Talk-GB] Friday September 26 happy hour in London

[Alex Barth]

We're throwing a happy hour in London (Shoreditch) next week on Friday.
Would love to meet up and chat!

https://www.mapbox.com/blog/happy-hour-london-2014/
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Re: [Talk-us] NYC building details

[Alex Barth]

Colin -

You're essentially describing OpenStreetMap's standards. Of course we don't
have the imagery you used for digitization but we should make at least sure
to stick to tracing footprints, not rooflines. I'll drop the user robgeb
who created the changeset in question a friendly note to make sure he's
seen your message here. He's been a lot of the amazing 3d modelling you can
see in in my last diary post [1] - I'm sure he'll touch many more buildings.

Alex

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/23588

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Reilly, Colin crei...@doitt.nyc.gov
wrote:

  Not sure what the OSM standard for building geometries or if there is
 one. In the case of NYC, the buildings that were provided by NYC DoITT and
 imported to OSM were digitized using imagery of higher resolution than what
 is available to OSM editors (wish we could make the imagery available but
 unfortunately we cannot). In addition, the NYC buildings are digitized to
 the base of the building not to an upper recess.



 We’ve seen editors modifying buildings to lower resolution imagery and to
 upper recesses. See example below where an editor changed the outline on
 the west side of the building to conform to an upper recess of the
 building. Would be nice to figure out a way to prevent degrading the
 fidelity of the building geometries or fixing on a standard. Apologies if
 there already is one.



 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/250052753/history



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[Talk-us] Scholarships for Argentina

[Alex Barth]

OpenStreetMap US is supporting trips to State of the Map in Argentina (Nov
7 - 9) with a scholarship.

So if you're doing something awesome with OSM and looking for a couple of
bucks extra in your travel budget to make the trip work, this could be
literally your ticket.

We're allocating 60 % of the budget to women as part of our push to grow
diversity in the community.

Check out all the details on our blog post:

http://openstreetmap.us/2014/09/argentina-scholarships/

And help us spread the world. For instance by simply retweeting this:

https://twitter.com/OpenStreetMapUS/status/512270288823025664

Cheers and hope to see you in Argentina!!!

-- 
Alex Barth
Secretary
OpenStreetMap United States Inc.
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[Talk-us] Geography Awareness Week #mapathon Nov 15 and 16

[Alex Barth]

For this fall's #mapathon we're joining National Geographic's Geography
Awareness Week. Add your city on the map and host a #mapathon in your
community + help spread the word:

http://openstreetmap.us/2014/09/fall-mapathon/

Cheers!

-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Personal maps tool similar to my maps

[Alex Barth]

Umap's great. There's also http://geojson.io/


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Try uMap: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/


 On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Tanveer Singh tanveer1...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 In google maps world you can create your own map, with waypoints, POIs
 etc., of your choice and export it as KML etc., etc.,

 IS there a similar website/tool/system available for OSM where I can
 create a POI map online and then export

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Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.19.0

[Alex Barth]

Awesome work. Big congratulations to everyone involved. I'm subscribed to
the repo and I'm just impressed by the amount of activity.

Thank you.


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 Today, v2.19.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been
 released. It will be rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers in
 one of the next days.

 Changes include:

 * Improve rendering of labels of highway areas
 (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/865)
 * Various bug fixes

 For a full list of commits, see

 https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v2.18.0...v2.19.0
 .

 As always, we welcome any bug reports at
 https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues.

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