[Talk-us] Hands Off !, respect my (our) space
In ID, on your profile page is, Other nearby users, and the home location, map the point is other locals based on my (our) edits know where we (I) live, but come on don’t edit the building i (we) live in !___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: Re: [Tagging] [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)
ever time this person answers, no one else will talk because he is addressing it to me and not the grope. i have never id him as he has me, what about the rules ? Forwarded message From: Clay Smalley < claysmal...@gmail.com > To: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru, Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics < talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org > Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org, tagg...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Talk US < talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Date: Saturday, August 22, 2020 2:33 PM -05:00 Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !) Everyone knows who you're talking about at this point, and nobody cares. Use the remaining day or so of your temporary ban to work on some hobbies outside of OpenStreetMap. And be careful about who you say isn't local. I'm moving to Northern Indiana next week and I'll certainly get the chance to survey many of the estimated stop positions I remotely mapped. I hope to see you around as we continue working on the same things. On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 12:21 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit < talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>it was one person in CA adding 400 unverified tags to rail service in chicago. >> >>one just 818 m, away from my home. >> >>>SATURDAY, August 22, 2020 12:32 PM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer < >>>dieterdre...@gmail.com >: >>> >>>sent from a phone >>> On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE < pang...@riseup.net > wrote: Here is yet another example of bad data in our database: >>>fix it ;-) >>> >>>Of course OpenStreetMap contains errors, just like any other source, and >>>probably more, given that most contributors are laymen and have very few >>>experience (few total edits, often just 1). >>> >>>On the other hand, we may be very fast when something changes, very flexible >>>in emergencies (think Haiti), and have interesting niche data that >>>commercial and public data providers don’t care for. >>> >>>It all depends on the local community in the end. If you have reached a >>>critical mass to have locals everywhere, it will work great and bugs will >>>wash out. Otherwise the data might get stale just like any other data. Also >>>using the data is essential to find the problems, for example the 212 story >>>garage is likely fixed now ;-) >>> >>>I tend to agree with Steve A. >>> >>>Cheers Martin >>>___ >>>talk mailing list >>>t...@openstreetmap.org >>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> >> > > > > ___ >Talk-transit mailing list >talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Tagging mailing list tagg...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)
>it was one person in CA adding 400 unverified tags to rail service in chicago. > >one just 818 m, away from my home. > >>Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:32 PM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer < >>dieterdre...@gmail.com >: >> >>sent from a phone >> >>> On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE < pang...@riseup.net > wrote: >>> >>> Here is yet another example of bad data in our database: >>fix it ;-) >> >>Of course OpenStreetMap contains errors, just like any other source, and >>probably more, given that most contributors are laymen and have very few >>experience (few total edits, often just 1). >> >>On the other hand, we may be very fast when something changes, very flexible >>in emergencies (think Haiti), and have interesting niche data that commercial >>and public data providers don’t care for. >> >>It all depends on the local community in the end. If you have reached a >>critical mass to have locals everywhere, it will work great and bugs will >>wash out. Otherwise the data might get stale just like any other data. Also >>using the data is essential to find the problems, for example the 212 story >>garage is likely fixed now ;-) >> >>I tend to agree with Steve A. >> >>Cheers Martin >>___ >>talk mailing list >>t...@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] VANDALISM !
FYI; https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism Purposeful removal or degradation of data that are known to be correct, Deliberate adding incorrect data; People who revert other people's work should expect to be able to demonstrate that the reversion was well reasoned and proportionate to the issue. Not There; Unverified if someone puts in 400 + unverified tags in one edit, If someone reverts, 400 + edits, in one edit, done on good faith by others over the years to conform to there way of thinking, If someone deletes, 400 + edits, in one edit, done on good faith by others over the years to conform to there way of thinking, If someone refuses to let others, edit because they have taken over that type edit, all bus stops in the same area, all train stations in the same area, all boundaries in the same area. Edits that do not conform to the subject wiki. if someone downloads data that will create one mulitipolygon, against all wikis Also there is no wiki on unverified edits. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] changeset: 89516909
i was told i could not use do to licence GIS to. >Tuesday, August 18, 2020 8:38 PM -05:00 from Brian M. Sperlongano >: > >All, > >I fixed this boundary relation and also one neighboring town (Wheeling, IL) >using the Cook County, Illinois GIS as the data source, and re-used all of the >original boundary relations. Unfortunately it appears that all of Cook County >needs to be updated to reflect the county GIS data (found here: >https://hub-cookcountyil.opendata.arcgis.com/pages/boundary-open-data ). >Those census polygons are fairly close, but different. The two border towns I >checked just north in Lake County appear to line up perfectly with the Cook >County data so this might just be a Cook County issue. This is a start but >there's lots of work to do there. > >On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:10 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>lines no relations yes >> >> >>>Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:52 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson < >>>miketh...@gmail.com >: >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:42 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >>>talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>>>i will fix anything that i missed but the lines are truth. >>>> >>>>and it is not a polygon, >>>As far as I know, boundary relations have to, in effect, be polygons, in >>>other words, they have to close. >>> >>>>and i broke nothing i fixed what the other guy broke and did it all by hand. >>>The boundary relation ( 126598 ) is currently broken. for one thing, it >>>doesn't close at the location of Williamsberg Square residential area. >>>___ >>>talk mailing list >>>t...@openstreetmap.org >>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> >> ___ >>Talk-us mailing list >>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] changeset: 89516909
lines no relations yes >Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:52 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson >: > > >On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:42 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>i will fix anything that i missed but the lines are truth. >> >>and it is not a polygon, >As far as I know, boundary relations have to, in effect, be polygons, in other >words, they have to close. > >>and i broke nothing i fixed what the other guy broke and did it all by hand. >The boundary relation ( 126598 ) is currently broken. for one thing, it >doesn't close at the location of Williamsberg Square residential area. >___ >talk mailing list >t...@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909
i will fix anything that i missed but the lines are truth. and it is not a polygon, and i broke nothing i fixed what the other guy broke and did it all by hand. >Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:36 PM -05:00 from James Umbanhowar >: > >I'm going to bow out of this discussion. The boundary relation is >broken again. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but my attempts to >figure out what sources this user is using and to reconcile this with >what they are editing appear to be antagonizing them. I have also lost >my patience so I will probably not be the most understanding anymore. > >James > >On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 20:23 -0400, Kevin Kenny wrote: >> You still aren't giving us very much to go on. There's obviously >> some boundary that you consider to be inarguably correct. You need >> either to enter the data yourself or tell us where to find it and >> where the discrepancies are. >> >> Sometimes that involves quite a lot of research. I have a ton of data >> conflicts about boundaries near me, and only rarely do I have the >> time to pursue the issues. If often involves reconciling half a dozen >> supposedly authoritative sources, as shown in >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ke9tv/diary/391486 . It's very >> rarely as simple as 'agency X is wrong and agency Y is right'. It's >> often 'agency X has lines that reflect current annexation, but part >> of their boundary is in NAD27 and part WGS84. Agency Y misses a >> recent annexation but has got the datums right. Agency Z has the >> artificial lines right, but is totally off base with the shorelines. >> Agency W appears to have digitized from a small-scale map and has a >> ton of quantization error.' >> >> It's not a political boundary, but >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ke9tv/diary/42951 shows another >> example of the level of cadastral research that's often required to >> sort these things out. >> >> By the way, I _do_ occasionally go out into the field and try to >> recover old survey marks to sort these things out. For the >> inconsistent corner between Lost Clove Unit and Big Indian Wilderness >> at https://kbk.is-a-geek.net/attachments/20191205/osm-vs-nysgis.png I >> simply gave up. There are cairns at both corners. If the professional >> surveyors couldn't close the line, what hope do I have? (Nobody >> actually cares. It's wilderness anyway.) >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:03 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >> talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >> > FYI; >> > >> > for all of you who are not in country and do not understand about >> > usa city bounders. >> > >> > https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/contact.html >> > >> > and did you read what the other guy said, this is the census data >> > not true map data. >> > >> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89598349 . >> > >> > > Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:52 AM -05:00 from James Umbanhowar < >> > > jumba...@gmail.com >: >> > > >> > > What link are you using for this? I downloaded the places >> > > boundary >> > > information from here: >> > > https://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/geo/shapefiles/index.php >> > > >> > > As I said, I'm happy to change, but I can't change without actual >> > > information. >> > > >> > > On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 18:43 +0300, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us >> > > wrote: >> > > > i am looking at the TIRGER web, show’s the real map online and >> > > > nothing you did matches. >> > > > >> > > > i live here and a block away from the edens spur just saying. >> > > > >> > > > > Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:38 AM -05:00 from James >> > > Umbanhowar < >> > > > > jumba...@gmail.com >: >> > > > > >> > > > > It would probably be best if these suggestions were added in >> > > the >> > > > > changeset comments, as they don't need to be discussed on the >> > > > > mailing >> > > > > list. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 11:36 -0400, James Umbanhowar wrote: >> > > > > > I'm the person who made the changes and am happy to adjust >> > > the >> > > > > map to >> > > > > > better authoritative data or information. My motivation for >> > > this >> > > > > was >> > > > > &g
Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909
FYI; for all of you who are not in country and do not understand about usa city bounders. https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/contact.html and did you read what the other guy said, this is the census data not true map data. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89598349 . >Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:52 AM -05:00 from James Umbanhowar < >jumba...@gmail.com >: > >What link are you using for this? I downloaded the places boundary >information from here: >https://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/geo/shapefiles/index.php > >As I said, I'm happy to change, but I can't change without actual >information. > >On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 18:43 +0300, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us wrote: >> i am looking at the TIRGER web, show’s the real map online and >> nothing you did matches. >> >> i live here and a block away from the edens spur just saying. >> >> > Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:38 AM -05:00 from James Umbanhowar < >> > jumba...@gmail.com >: >> > >> > It would probably be best if these suggestions were added in the >> > changeset comments, as they don't need to be discussed on the >> > mailing >> > list. >> > >> > On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 11:36 -0400, James Umbanhowar wrote: >> > > I'm the person who made the changes and am happy to adjust the >> > map to >> > > better authoritative data or information. My motivation for this >> > was >> > > to fix a mangled boundary relation that didn't have consistent >> > outer >> > > and inner members. The changes came in two changesets, >> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89220282 and >> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89516909 >> > > >> > > The first changeset just made the relation consistent with outer >> > ways >> > > and inner ways. I preserved all the ways that were in the >> > relation >> > > that >> > > lead to the inconsistency and they are still in the database with >> > a >> > > note attached to them. The second came after a changeset comment >> > that >> > > noted that the fixed relation didn't match and earlier unbroken >> > > relation, in particular around the Edens Spur. I then changed the >> > > border in this area to match the 2019 Tiger data in that area >> > only. >> > > >> > > James >> > > >> > > On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 02:37 +0300, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us >> > wrote: >> > > > Changeset #89220282 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Monday, August 17, 2020 6:34 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson < >> > > > > miketh...@gmail.com >: >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >> > > > > talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >> > > > > > tiger is up to date on the web map using the current data i >> > > > > > just >> > > > > > think he picked the wrong year, >> > > > > >> > > > > That relation was first created in 2009. According to the >> > source >> > > > > tag, it used 2008 Tiger data, so the original mapper probably >> > > > > used >> > > > > the best available TIGER data at the time. >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > also all he got was a white line in his first try. >> > > > > > Way: 813726663 >> > > > > >> > > > > That way needs to be added to the relation, and the relation >> > must >> > > > > close. >> > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909
i am looking at the TIRGER web, show’s the real map online and nothing you did matches. i live here and a block away from the edens spur just saying. >Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:38 AM -05:00 from James Umbanhowar >: > >It would probably be best if these suggestions were added in the >changeset comments, as they don't need to be discussed on the mailing >list. > >On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 11:36 -0400, James Umbanhowar wrote: >> I'm the person who made the changes and am happy to adjust the map to >> better authoritative data or information. My motivation for this was >> to fix a mangled boundary relation that didn't have consistent outer >> and inner members. The changes came in two changesets, >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89220282 and >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89516909 >> >> The first changeset just made the relation consistent with outer ways >> and inner ways. I preserved all the ways that were in the relation >> that >> lead to the inconsistency and they are still in the database with a >> note attached to them. The second came after a changeset comment that >> noted that the fixed relation didn't match and earlier unbroken >> relation, in particular around the Edens Spur. I then changed the >> border in this area to match the 2019 Tiger data in that area only. >> >> James >> >> On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 02:37 +0300, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us wrote: >> > Changeset #89220282 >> > >> > >> > > Monday, August 17, 2020 6:34 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson < >> > > miketh...@gmail.com >: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >> > > talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >> > > > tiger is up to date on the web map using the current data i >> > > > just >> > > > think he picked the wrong year, >> > > >> > > That relation was first created in 2009. According to the source >> > > tag, it used 2008 Tiger data, so the original mapper probably >> > > used >> > > the best available TIGER data at the time. >> > > >> > > > >> > > > also all he got was a white line in his first try. >> > > > Way: 813726663 >> > > >> > > That way needs to be added to the relation, and the relation must >> > > close. >> > > ___ >> > > Talk-us mailing list >> > > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Talk-us mailing list >> > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909
Changeset #89220282 >Monday, August 17, 2020 6:34 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson >: > > >On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>tiger is up to date on the web map using the current data i just think he >>picked the wrong year, >That relation was first created in 2009. According to the source tag, it used >2008 Tiger data, so the original mapper probably used the best available TIGER >data at the time. > >> >>also all he got was a white line in his first try. >>Way: 813726663 >That way needs to be added to the relation, and the relation must close. >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909
tiger is up to date on the web map using the current data i just think he picked the wrong year, also all he got was a white line in his first try. Way: 813726663 Changeset # 89220282 >Monday, August 17, 2020 6:16 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson >: > >1) Best not to delete and start over as the history will be lost. >2) Do you have an accurate source that has a license that is compatible with >OSM? Could you share a link to it? >3) General observation is that there is a lot of territory that is not >enclosed by any admin level 8 boundary, which in a built up area like this, >seems unusual to me. > >Mike >On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 5:04 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>this is not the current boundary, could be more than 10 years + old, >> >>can’t the whole relation, #126598, northbrook, be deleted and then put back >>in. >> >>i tried by hand but this is to much to trace. >> >>>Monday, August 17, 2020 4:43 PM -05:00 from Paul Johnson < >>>ba...@ursamundi.org >: >>> >>>On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 4:02 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >>>talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>>>can somebody who knows how to use Tiger data fix this ? >>> >>>Fix what?? >>>___ >>>Talk-us mailing list >>>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> >> >> ___ >>Talk-us mailing list >>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909
this is not the current boundary, could be more than 10 years + old, can’t the whole relation, #126598, northbrook, be deleted and then put back in. i tried by hand but this is to much to trace. >Monday, August 17, 2020 4:43 PM -05:00 from Paul Johnson : > >On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 4:02 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>can somebody who knows how to use Tiger data fix this ? > >Fix what?? >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] changeset: 89516909
can somebody who knows how to use Tiger data fix this ? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Tag:railway=stop
Did someone on this List, contribute to this Wiki.? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dstop ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] private or not, USA ?
Are wi-fi passwords and the IP number of a hot spot, located in MC Donald, burger-king, Starbucks, motel 6, super 8, best western ect. public ? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, fake map.
>How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map >here. > >what about fact checking ? >>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:58 PM -05:00 from James < james2...@gmail.com >: >> >>as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly don't live >>in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in Florida, made edits there. >>What's your point being 100miles away? Some of these places I have visited, >>some I haven't >>On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler, < m...@hauke-stieler.de > >>wrote: >>>I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on >>>vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they >>>aren't locals ;) >>> >>>Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you >>>have something to discuss. >>> >>>Hauke >>> >>>On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: >>>> i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley >>>> < claysmal...@gmail.com >: >>>> >>>> Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you >>>> started a conversation with the person who made that edit? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us >>>> < talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Added a service road. >>>> >>>> Edited about hours ago by >>>> >>>> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 >>>> >>>> >>>> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Talk-us mailing list >>>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>> >>>> >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Talk-us mailing list >>>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> talk mailing list >>>> t...@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>>> >>> >>>___ >>>talk mailing list >>>t...@openstreetmap.org >>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>___ >>talk mailing list >>t...@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.
ok ! >Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:14 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley >: > >To be clear, you mean that everyone is mapping incorrectly if they are not >local? That's an absurd premise—lots of mappers do valuable remote work >without having to be on the ground and see what they're mapping in person. Of >course, disputes arise between local mappers and remote mappers, and it's best >to follow the judgment of local mappers in such situations. But it's a stretch >to say that remote mappers are always wrong. > >Complaining to the mailing list won't make anything better. You have the power >to fix this yourself. What's holding you back? >On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>I meant everbody is if they are not local. >> >> >>>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen < md...@xs4all.nl >: >>> >>>On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: >>>> Added a service road. >>>> >>>> Edited about hours ago by >>>> >>>> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 >>>> >>>> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm >>>If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the >>>mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more >>>information about the mapper. >>>If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can >>>address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of >>>dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and >>>purpousfully mapping incorrectly. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Maarten >> >> >> >> ___ >>Talk-us mailing list >>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.
I meant everbody is if they are not local. >Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen : > >On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: >> Added a service road. >> >> Edited about hours ago by >> >> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 >> >> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm >If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the >mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more >information about the mapper. >If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can >address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of >dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and >purpousfully mapping incorrectly. > >Regards, >Maarten ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.
Added a service road. Edited about hours ago by Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Google earth, Google maps
OK ! >Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:25 PM -05:00 from Shawn K. Quinn >: > >On 6/13/20 09:08, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us wrote: >> If you people want me to prove my edit by adding a source, and a >> person from the data group as an editor, >> >> asks me to prove it, and i redo my edit and he does not get back to >> me, why are you telling me I can not use >> >> google as a map source, since all the maps on OSM are old news. like >> in my local area 7 months old. > >From the Google Maps/Earth Additional Terms of Service: > >> 2. Prohibited Conduct. Your compliance with this Section 2 is a >> condition of your license to use Google Maps/Google Earth. When using >> Google Maps/Google Earth, you may not (or allow those acting on your >> behalf to): >[...] >> e. use Google Maps/Google Earth to create or augment any other >> mapping-related dataset (including a mapping or navigation dataset, >> business listings database, mailing list, or telemarketing list) for >> use in a service that is a substitute for, or a substantially similar >> service to, Google Maps/Google Earth; > >This is one reason why you're not allowed to use it as a source. If you >need to measure distance, use the measuring tool in JOSM. > >-- >Shawn K. Quinn < skqu...@rushpost.com > >http://www.rantroulette.com >http://www.skqrecordquest.com > >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google earth, Google maps
OK ! >Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:56 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson >: > > >On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >> >> I am not copying any thing, just looking at a satellite view from google . >> >> it was a ruler. >This isn't really about OSM, it is about the Google Maps Terms of Service, >which by using Google Maps, you agree to abide by. This states in part: "you >may not ...use Google Maps/Google Earth to create or augment any other >mapping-related dataset..." This would include the ruler I would think as well >as "looking at a satellite view." > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google earth, Google maps
I am not copying any thing, just looking at a satellite view from google . it was a ruler. >Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:40 AM -05:00 from Lester Caine : > >On 13/06/2020 15:08, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: >> why are you telling me I can not use google as a map source > >First reason is that Google don't allow copying of their material to >other services. > >But the main reason is that all of the content in OSM is required to be >free of any copyright restrictions so anything you copy from ANY other >source, you have to ensure that source is 'old news' i.e. is out of >copyright. Where possible what appears should be personal observation of >local locations and not looked up on streetview for example. > >-- >Lester Caine - G8HFL >- >Contact - https://lsces.uk/wiki/Contact >L.S.Caine Electronic Services - https://lsces.uk >Model Engineers Digital Workshop - https://medw.uk >Rainbow Digital Media - https://rainbowdigitalmedia.uk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google earth, Google maps
since the complainer removed the source (google map) do i remove the # as well ? >Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:09 AM -05:00 from Mike Thompson >: > >According to the Google Maps Terms of service, you cannot use it in any way to >make another map. [0] I would think that would include using its ruler if the >purpose of using the ruler is to edit OSM. > >[0] 2.d of https://www.google.com/help/terms_maps/ >On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>because i was asked to change my edit based on my own ruler measurement, >> >>but it was just a ruler on google maps. >> >>>Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:42 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us < >>>talk-us@openstreetmap.org >: >>> >>>If you were not copying Google Maps then why you were using the ruler? >>> >>>Why using ruler on Google Maps would be even necessary? >>> >>>Jun 13, 2020, 17:31 by t...@openstreetmap.org : >>>>i put them as a source i used a ruler on there map. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:20 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk < >>>>>t...@openstreetmap.org >: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Jun 13, 2020, 16:59 by eric.lad...@gmail.com : >>>>>>Yeah, be careful with Google Maps. It's owned and created by a company >>>>>>and if you copy from it and they can prove it, they could sue the OSM >>>>>>Foundation into oblivion. They used to even have their OWN satellites to >>>>>>obtain imagery. That's serious money. >>>>>That is not the main problem. Main problem is that it goes our own >>>>>fundamental rules. >>>>>Mappers must not use other maps* even if whoever hold copyright is unable >>>>>to sue for some reason. >>>>> >>>>>And "they can prove it" part may be misleading - you are not allowed to >>>>>copy even if you think that >>>>>you can hide the copying so that noone will notice it. >>>>> >>>>>*that is more complicated, we are must not copyrighted data on >>>>>incompatible licenes - >>>>>but if you are unsure what it means do not use other maps and ask for help >>>>>before doing this >>>>>> >>>>>>Typically, with local edits, I put "Local knowledge" as the source. >>>>>>Sounds more highbrow than "my eyeballs". >>>>>I usually put survey/memory depending on how recent my data is. >>>>>>IMO, if somebody is challenging one of your local edits, if they are not >>>>>>local also, they should be told as much and sent on their way - UNLESS >>>>>>it's something that relates to a mapping standard or best practice. >>>>>>Then, learn from your mistakes and move on. >>>>>+1 >>>>>>On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:32 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >>>>>>talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>>>>>>this was a tool on the map that measured distance. >>>>>Have you copied that map? I am unsure how the distance measuring tool >>>>>relates to "why are you telling me I can not use google as a map source"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:29 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via >>>>>>>>Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org >: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You are not allowed to use Google Maps as source. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Have you used Google Maps to edit OSM? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"since all the maps on OSM are old news like in my local area 7 months >>>>>>>>old." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>FYI, world is larger than your local area. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jun 13, 2020, 16:08 by talk-us@openstreetmap.org : >>>>>>>>>If you people want me to prove my edit by adding a source, and a >>>>>>>>>person from the data group as an editor, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>asks me to prove it, and i redo my edit and he does not get back to >>>>>>>>>me, why are you tel
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google earth, Google maps
because i was asked to change my edit based on my own ruler measurement, but it was just a ruler on google maps. >Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:42 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us >: > >If you were not copying Google Maps then why you were using the ruler? > >Why using ruler on Google Maps would be even necessary? > >Jun 13, 2020, 17:31 by t...@openstreetmap.org: >>i put them as a source i used a ruler on there map. >> >> >>>Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:20 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk < >>>t...@openstreetmap.org >: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Jun 13, 2020, 16:59 by eric.lad...@gmail.com: >>>>Yeah, be careful with Google Maps. It's owned and created by a company and >>>>if you copy from it and they can prove it, they could sue the OSM >>>>Foundation into oblivion. They used to even have their OWN satellites to >>>>obtain imagery. That's serious money. >>>That is not the main problem. Main problem is that it goes our own >>>fundamental rules. >>>Mappers must not use other maps* even if whoever hold copyright is unable to >>>sue for some reason. >>> >>>And "they can prove it" part may be misleading - you are not allowed to copy >>>even if you think that >>>you can hide the copying so that noone will notice it. >>> >>>*that is more complicated, we are must not copyrighted data on incompatible >>>licenes - >>>but if you are unsure what it means do not use other maps and ask for help >>>before doing this >>>> >>>>Typically, with local edits, I put "Local knowledge" as the source. Sounds >>>>more highbrow than "my eyeballs". >>>I usually put survey/memory depending on how recent my data is. >>>>IMO, if somebody is challenging one of your local edits, if they are not >>>>local also, they should be told as much and sent on their way - UNLESS it's >>>>something that relates to a mapping standard or best practice. Then, learn >>>>from your mistakes and move on. >>>+1 >>>>On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:32 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >>>>talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>>>>this was a tool on the map that measured distance. >>>Have you copied that map? I am unsure how the distance measuring tool >>>relates to "why are you telling me I can not use google as a map source"? >>>>> >>>>>>Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:29 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us >>>>>>< talk-us@openstreetmap.org >: >>>>>> >>>>>>You are not allowed to use Google Maps as source. >>>>>> >>>>>>Have you used Google Maps to edit OSM? >>>>>> >>>>>>"since all the maps on OSM are old news like in my local area 7 months >>>>>>old." >>>>>> >>>>>>FYI, world is larger than your local area. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Jun 13, 2020, 16:08 by talk-us@openstreetmap.org : >>>>>>>If you people want me to prove my edit by adding a source, and a person >>>>>>>from the data group as an editor, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>asks me to prove it, and i redo my edit and he does not get back to me, >>>>>>>why are you telling me I can not use >>>>>>> >>>>>>>google as a map source, since all the maps on OSM are old news. like in >>>>>>>my local area 7 months old. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>___ >>>>>>Talk-us mailing list >>>>>>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>>>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>___ >>>>>Talk-us mailing list >>>>>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Eric Ladner >>> >>>___ >>>talk mailing list >>>t...@openstreetmap.org >>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> >> > >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google earth, Google maps
i put them as a source i used a ruler on there map. >Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:20 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk >: > > > > >Jun 13, 2020, 16:59 by eric.lad...@gmail.com: >>Yeah, be careful with Google Maps. It's owned and created by a company and >>if you copy from it and they can prove it, they could sue the OSM Foundation >>into oblivion. They used to even have their OWN satellites to obtain >>imagery. That's serious money. >That is not the main problem. Main problem is that it goes our own fundamental >rules. >Mappers must not use other maps* even if whoever hold copyright is unable to >sue for some reason. > >And "they can prove it" part may be misleading - you are not allowed to copy >even if you think that >you can hide the copying so that noone will notice it. > >*that is more complicated, we are must not copyrighted data on incompatible >licenes - >but if you are unsure what it means do not use other maps and ask for help >before doing this >> >>Typically, with local edits, I put "Local knowledge" as the source. Sounds >>more highbrow than "my eyeballs". >I usually put survey/memory depending on how recent my data is. >>IMO, if somebody is challenging one of your local edits, if they are not >>local also, they should be told as much and sent on their way - UNLESS it's >>something that relates to a mapping standard or best practice. Then, learn >>from your mistakes and move on. >+1 >>On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:32 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >>talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>>this was a tool on the map that measured distance. >Have you copied that map? I am unsure how the distance measuring tool >relates to "why are you telling me I can not use google as a map source"? >>> >>>>Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:29 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us < >>>>talk-us@openstreetmap.org >: >>>> >>>>You are not allowed to use Google Maps as source. >>>> >>>>Have you used Google Maps to edit OSM? >>>> >>>>"since all the maps on OSM are old news like in my local area 7 months old." >>>> >>>>FYI, world is larger than your local area. >>>> >>>> >>>>Jun 13, 2020, 16:08 by talk-us@openstreetmap.org : >>>>>If you people want me to prove my edit by adding a source, and a person >>>>>from the data group as an editor, >>>>> >>>>>asks me to prove it, and i redo my edit and he does not get back to me, >>>>>why are you telling me I can not use >>>>> >>>>>google as a map source, since all the maps on OSM are old news. like in my >>>>>local area 7 months old. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>___ >>>>Talk-us mailing list >>>>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Talk-us mailing list >>>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> >>-- >>Eric Ladner > >___ >talk mailing list >t...@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Google earth, Google maps
this was a tool on the map that measured distance. >Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:29 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us >: > >You are not allowed to use Google Maps as source. > >Have you used Google Maps to edit OSM? > >"since all the maps on OSM are old news like in my local area 7 months old." > >FYI, world is larger than your local area. > > >Jun 13, 2020, 16:08 by talk-us@openstreetmap.org: >>If you people want me to prove my edit by adding a source, and a person from >>the data group as an editor, >> >>asks me to prove it, and i redo my edit and he does not get back to me, why >>are you telling me I can not use >> >>google as a map source, since all the maps on OSM are old news. like in my >>local area 7 months old. >> >> > >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Google earth, Google maps
If you people want me to prove my edit by adding a source, and a person from the data group as an editor, asks me to prove it, and i redo my edit and he does not get back to me, why are you telling me I can not use google as a map source, since all the maps on OSM are old news. like in my local area 7 months old. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Edit Attacks
this is a good one because i had a back and forth discussion with somebody that was calling me out on my edit because from space this looked like a flat surface and then explaned how to list it as non active. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/802256628#map=16/42.1110/-87.8160 but the thing is the river was a 10 year old 81 mile download that maye should not be as to the Wiki. and this guy must be a river freak just like the bus stop guy who thought he own the map. >Wednesday, June 10, 2020 2:26 PM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk >: > >Can you link any specific changeset damaging data >or object that was deleted and should not be? > >Linked ones >http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=86230442 >http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=85357849 >appear to not be problematic > >( https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/233949#map=9/41.8982/-87.7286 >is on boundary of unreasonably large relation, but it is not >something very problematic) > >Jun 10, 2020, 15:27 by talk-us@openstreetmap.org: >> Last week I edited a 10 year old, 81 mile MultiPolygon with GHOSTS in >>the ID editor, all I know, Someone >> >>took offence to that, >>https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85357849#map=13/42.0813/-87.8854 >> >>and attacked all my edits of that day, and as he moved from north to south, >>every thing I did for the >> >>last year. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/86230442 , with things >>other people had already >> >>called me on, (discussion). so exposing my self everything I have done in >>the last 24 hours is under question >> >>from people who are not local but in Europe. even my visit to the golf course >>is in question a 7 year stale edit. >> >> >> > >___ >talk mailing list >t...@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Edit Attacks
Last week I edited a 10 year old, 81 mile MultiPolygon with GHOSTS in the ID editor, all I know, Someone took offence to that, https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85357849#map=13/42.0813/-87.8854 and attacked all my edits of that day, and as he moved from north to south, every thing I did for the last year. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/86230442 , with things other people had already called me on, (discussion). so exposing my self everything I have done in the last 24 hours is under question from people who are not local but in Europe. even my visit to the golf course is in question a 7 year stale edit. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake mapping
i found source-date, but if i can not on the ground verifies i do not think i should change, they did not like non gofers waking around. >Tuesday, June 9, 2020 5:14 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk >: > > > > >Jun 9, 2020, 00:26 by t...@openstreetmap.org: >>just to be safe i went to a pre-edit location, less than 5 miles 2 hours by >>public transportation. >> >>the satellite view was wrong, the river area were ponds because of the dam, >>which was not there in 1969 >> >>when we went down the river in cement tubs, and the golf cart paths were all >>marked unmaintained track road. >> >>there are pologons around the greens, holes and fairways not the whole >>property, where natural woods >> >>that have separate pologons. >> >>the point is there is to much there to fix. >Yes, in many cases map should be updated. If aerial images are wrong it is >useful to add >something like >note=edited based on survey, as of 2020 Bing aerial imagery is outdated and >wrong > >___ >talk mailing list >t...@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] fake mapping
just to be safe i went to a pre-edit location, less than 5 miles 2 hours by public transportation. the satellite view was wrong, the river area were ponds because of the dam, which was not there in 1969 when we went down the river in cement tubs, and the golf cart paths were all marked unmaintained track road. there are pologons around the greens, holes and fairways not the whole property, where natural woods that have separate pologons. the point is there is to much there to fix. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] river - stream
YES !, i guess what i am saying i would like to see more drop down options. >Monday, June 8, 2020 8:36 AM -05:00 from nwastra : > >I am not very familiar with the iD editor but I notice that where a stream and >highway cross, what boxes and dropdowns are offered depends what you have >selected. >If you have the stream selected you will be offered tunnel/culvert/layer/etc >as options. >If you have the highway selected you will be offered bridge/tunnel/ford/etc. > >Is this the reason you are not seeing the options you expect? > >On 8 Jun 2020, at 10:49 pm, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk < t...@openstreetmap.org >> wrote: > >>>i guss what i am saying, add a tunnel is wrong, when the road is on the >>>bridge, and the drop down box >> >>says culvert. again i am only seeing the ID map. >>i just tried it, it only says add a tunnel, then river is under bridge. >>>Monday, June 8, 2020 7:00 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk < >>>t...@openstreetmap.org >: >>> >>>Is there anything wrong with that? >>> >>> >>>Jun 8, 2020, 13:57 by t...@openstreetmap.org : >in the ID editor, if you draw a stream - river line, and it crosses a >road, you get a warning, with the suggestion > >add a bridge or tunnel. > >>Monday, June 8, 2020 5:13 AM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer < >>dieterdre...@gmail.com >: >> >>Am Sa., 6. Juni 2020 um 18:02 Uhr schrieb Dave F via talk < >>t...@openstreetmap.org >: >>>Do you have an example? >> >>A simple example for a tunnel (here subway) on a bridge would be this: >>https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/757824513 >>https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Morand >> >>>Whether it's a bridge or tunnel is fairly easily defined by determining >>>which is taking the load. >>>If a tunnel's structure was removed, would whitewater's above it >>>collapse? If 'yes' then it's a tunnel. >> >>what I wrote was that - according to some technical definitions - a >>tunnel must not have something above it, it may be sufficient that it is >>closed and long enough. I am not sure if we share these definitions in >>OSM. >>According to the current wiki, "a tunnel is an underground passage for a >>road or similar." and also: " tunnel =* is used for roads, railway line, >>canals etc that run underground (in tunnel ). " This doesn't appear to >>be exhaustive / complete, tunnels could also run underwater, above ground >>and potentially in the future even in space, no? >>Many current underwater tunnels are also "underground", as they are often >>running in a man made structure (embankment like) on the ground or below >>the water body/river in the ground >> >>Cheers >>Martin >>___ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !
That is a good question, I answered him on what he sent me, that he was complaining about in the form of a threat, as andy said, I was trying fix the ghost issue on a 10 year old National Hydrography Dataset, download that was one 81 mile multipolygon that was not even his edit, I answered him with the wiki. rule, and he attacked all my that day’s river edits some i have been working on for a year, attacking other issues next to the river as well things that have been all ready ? by others users. >Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:59 PM -05:00 from Alessandro Sarretta >: > >If this is the changeset ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/86230442 ), >where is the discussion? >Ale >On 07/06/20 17:33, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: >>86230442 >>>Sunday, June 7, 2020 8:47 AM -05:00 from Dave F via talk < >>>t...@openstreetmap.org >: >>> >>>Provide a link to the changeset. >>> >>>DaveF >___ >talk mailing list >t...@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] VANDALISM !
IF someone, not local, relying on satellite views, goes after my good faith edit, based on my on the ground surveillance thinks my edit was wrong trying to fix broken polygon’s, that are making ghosts lines on the ID edit page. sends me a change-set discussion notice, telling me not to edit what i edited, and i answer him with the Wiki rule that was the bases of my edit. then goes after my current days edit and all related edits a years worth, (like a revenge thing) some technical but most based on what he see’s on the satellite view that are, were WRONG. Not to re-edit fix, who, how do you put it all back ? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] river - stream
if water goes under a bridge, why in the ID editor is it pictured on top of the bridge, when the river stream comes to the bridge can you split and add tunnel ? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
