[talk-ph] Updated Philippines map for Maps.me
Hi all, I had a question from a new OSM member, when his changes would show up in MapsWithMe. So I thought I would share the result here. It looks like the last update of their map was December 15, 2015 . On their website I saw it is possible to generate your own map. It was a little complicated (I had to to download about 1Gb source code, then compile it), but I managed to make an updated map. I can not find out how to make the routing file (except by making the whole world map, and that is way too long, and I do not have enough space on my hard disk to store the latest world file...). (all is relatively clearly explained here: https://github.com/mapsme/omim/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md ) You can download the resulting map here (80Mb): http://osm.totor.ph/philippines.mwm The source pbf was downloaded today march 19, 2016 from Geofabrik. Installing is manageable if you have a minimum IT knowledge. First make sure the Maps.me app is closed. On my Android, on the SD card there is a folder "MapsWithMe". Inside this folder there is folder called 151215 which contains the original maps from maps.me If you only have the Philippines in there, rename this folder to 151215old (this is a back-up in case something goes wrong) , then create a new folder and name it 151215. If you have several maps in there, move the Philippines map files somewhere safe... Put the map you downloaded from the link above in the 151215 folder. launch maps.me to check... You should be able to see the updated map, but you will have no more routing... If you want to go back to the old map, close the app, then just rename the 151215 to 151215totor (or delete it) and then rename the folder 151215old to 151215, and all should be like before. (If you moved the map files instead, just move them back) You can also simply update from the app, it will overwrite whatever map is there and go back to the official map. Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Google Earth Map of Cebu in 3D
Hi all, I just discovered that Cebu City is now completely in "automatically generated 3d mesh" in Google Earth, including trees, and even very small houses. I don't know when this happened exactly, but about a year ago, only the big buildings where in 3D (Manila is still like this for now). It's really impressive to see in google earth. Here is a small animation: http://osm.totor.ph/ayala3d.gif Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] 2Go Express
Hi all, Tinycab is trying to add a 2GO Express shop in Cebu [1]. I suggested to use: amenity=post_office operator=2GO Express name=2GO Express He also wants to also include the FedEx service they provide. I could not find any clear method to indicate this (but i found a discussion [2]). I'd like to suggest: amenity=post_office operator=2GO Express;FedEx name=2GO Express FedEx 2GO Express is the operator, they retail FedEx, but I'm not sure this qualifies as operator... Any other/better suggestions ? Cheers, Totor [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/32801950 [2] https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/7755/how-do-you-tag-a-courier-company ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Bing Imagery
Hi all, Cebu is relatively well covered, so consider this low priority. Since nobody seems to be requesting any imagery, here is what is missing or could be improved in Cebu: http://osm.totor.ph/Cebu_Missing_Bing.jpg The pink areas are missing. The yellow area is cloud covered in many places (but most things have already been traced from older Bing imagery) . and here are the same areas exported from JOSM : http://osm.totor.ph/Cebu_Missing_Bing.osm Cheers, Totor On Wed, 4/29/15, Celina Agaton wrote: Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Bing Imagery To: maning sambale Cc: osm-ph Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2015, 12:19 PM Hello there, Bing is following up again on the missing imagery. Do we have a list or timeline on how long this will take to compile?We're also prepping to complete disaster risk mapping tasks in preparation for the typhoon season, so it would be helpful to secure imagery soon. Celina celinaagaton.com Twitter @celinaagaton Skype: celinaagaton On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:49 AM, Celina Agaton wrote: Hi Maning, I'm talking to Bing and they are asking for a list of missing areas. Can you guys send me a list soon? Celina celinaagaton.com Twitter @celinaagaton Skype: celinaagaton ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Cebu road classification
Hi all, Just a little note to let you know that in order to be compliant with DPWH's Philippine National Highway Network (NHN) map, the OSM map here in Cebu city has now become misleading in my opinion. People not used to drive here, might now prefer the narrow old bridge over the wide UN avenue and Marcelo Ferman bridge, and will pass in the center of Cebu, rather than taking the SRP/south coastal road (probably a trunk road if it wasn't for the traffic lights)... and will get stuck in traffic... I know that road classification is not easy, when official classification, purpose, traffic density and state (quality) of the roads don't match each other. I always left the classification more of less as it was, because I really don't know how to do it right. Following the official classification seems to be a reasonable choice. I'm just not sure that it is helping the every day map-users. Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers
Hi, I usually send a welcome message to new mappers in Cebu (I stopped monitoring Bohol a long time ago), but only if the user has several edits over some days/weeks. I always though it might feel creepy if you receive a welcome message, as soon as you do your first edit. This makes that I did not send that many (around 10 I guess since I started mapping) but I had feedback from about half of them. I generally thank them for helping in Cebu (there are not many mappers here) and tell they can ask me or the mailing list (with link) for help/answers, and add links to the ph and main map features page. If there are big or repeating problems with the edits, I also add a comment on how I would map that. Cheers, Totor On Sun, 10/26/14, maning sambale wrote: Subject: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers To: osm-ph Date: Sunday, October 26, 2014, 10:05 PM Hi, Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers as I stumble into their edits. I think this is a good strategy to inform the mappers that: 1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated; 2. they can ask questions if they want to. In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the message. Most of the times, I don't get a response. I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as well. Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm new users with unsolicited messages. Swiss OSM do this too [0]. If you want to know the new editors in the PH you can check this page [1]. I think some of last week's new contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo. [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124 [1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OSM Project NOAH edits
Hi all, Great that we will have more mappers... I finally found some time to analyse the changesets of the edits done in Cebu by Arkigat. Here are the errors I noticed: 1. Several buildings where traced over already existing buildings (probably just as exercise), creating duplicate buildings on top of each other. 2. Several areas where traced as buildings instead of using a correct tag like amenity/landuse... Smaller buildings or POI's where already there most of the time and the traced areas were very approximative. 3. Name tags were also copied from existing poi's or buildings, but lacked capitalisation Most of this looked like just reproducing already existing elements just to try out how it works. Is there a sandbox for iD for these kind of edits ? (I couldn't find the info in the wiki [1] ) I also was unable to contact Arkigat. If a test account is made for a workshop, somebody should really monitor it... Because of all the above, the only thing I could do (after having reviewed the edits one by one), was to revert them (except one that seemed useful) I really hope the next attempt will be more productive... Cheers, Totor [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing On Tue, 10/14/14, maning sambale wrote: Subject: [talk-ph] OSM Project NOAH edits To: osm-ph , Jen Alconis , Jen Alconis Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 6:38 PM As some of you have noticed, we are getting a lot of new edits (yay!) with a changeset comment #noah. This is part of Project NOAH's campaign to improve exposure data all over the country for DRR. AFAIK, they are running several workshops to universities, LGUs and regional agencies all over the country. As some of you have also noticed, along with more mappers, newbie errors can happen. This is always the case for new mappers (all of us went to this stage). I had a brief discussion with the NOAH team today and I proposed to have a discussion with them to look into ways to minimize editing errors. If you have seen such cases, let's document it in this thread so that we can help NOAH's training team as they continue to encourage editing in OSM. Once we have collated this common errors we can then discuss this with Project NOAH. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OSM Project NOAH edits
Hi again, It looks like it is possible to directly edit with iD from the dev website: http://master.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ You need to create a new account, and there is (nearly) no data. Unfortunately the edited elements do not seem to be rendered (only the normal osm map is displayed instead). You can see what you added by enabling the Map Data layer. Cheers, Totor On Wed, 10/15/14, Totor wrote: Hi all, Great that we will have more mappers... I finally found some time to analyse the changesets of the edits done in Cebu by Arkigat. Here are the errors I noticed: 1. Several buildings where traced over already existing buildings (probably just as exercise), creating duplicate buildings on top of each other. 2. Several areas where traced as buildings instead of using a correct tag like amenity/landuse... Smaller buildings or POI's where already there most of the time and the traced areas were very approximative. 3. Name tags were also copied from existing poi's or buildings, but lacked capitalisation Most of this looked like just reproducing already existing elements just to try out how it works. Is there a sandbox for iD for these kind of edits ? (I couldn't find the info in the wiki [1] ) I also was unable to contact Arkigat. If a test account is made for a workshop, somebody should really monitor it... Because of all the above, the only thing I could do (after having reviewed the edits one by one), was to revert them (except one that seemed useful) I really hope the next attempt will be more productive... Cheers, Totor [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] NOAH edits in Cebu City
Hi all, I noticed some edits in Cebu with small problems, about 2 weeks ago by user arkigat. [1] Mainly areas marked as buildings instead of landuse or similar, when the real buildings or poi's were already mapped. I sent a friendly welcome note with comments about these edits and where to get help (in english), but did not receive a reply after more than a week now. All the edits are marked with #NOAH. Does anybody know if this is related to noah.dost.gov.ph ? If this is the case we should probably try to contact/help them. How to handle this ? As for the problems I don't have much time at the moment to check all the edits in detail, but a quick look showed little problems in most of the edits. Simply reverting is probably not advisable, since there seem to be at least some valid name additions. Analyzing each changeset is too much work for me right now, and I don't want to start changing the obvious ones because it might make the remaining job more difficult. Any help is welcome ^_^. Cheers, Totor [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/arkigat/history#map=14/10.3074/123.9114 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
Hi, On the hotosm tasks I participated in (342 and 347 mainly), I noticed many tiles marked as finished and even validated, when several buildings and sometimes whole areas have not been traced yet. What could be done to avoid this ? * I think a clearer Unlock it!. button might help for those who want to stop and only see the Mark Task as Done button. * For new tasks, the introduction and workflow could maybe add a note to only click Done if you are 100% sure ALL has been traced. * It seems impossible to invalidate a tile that is already validated. Another solution could be to restart a new task for the same area once the initial one is validated to check for missed parts. Task 360 kind of does this, but mixes adding lacking buildings and evaluating damage. This seems logical, but the result is that some mark a task as done just after adding the buildings, and some omly after assessing the damage (without adding new buildings). I'm not complaining ! It is really great to see so many persons involved, and I'm sure it is very helpful. The problems mentionned above are really small compared to the benefits. Happy mapping, and thanks to all. Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
Hi, Is there no risk of mapping conflicts if persons map Cebu North from http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340 and http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 at the same time ? Can Cebu North be removed from 340 or marked as finished ? Regards, Totor On Mon, 11/11/13, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress To: osm-ph Date: Monday, November 11, 2013, 7:46 PM Hello everyone, Here are several additional HOT tasks: http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/342 - Bantayan Island http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/343 - Camotes Islands http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/344 - Roxas City and surroundings http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/345 - northern Negros Occidental http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/346 - Roxas City - Kalibo - northernmost tip of Iloilo http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 - northern Cebu If you know of any other areas that are affected by the typhoon and has Bing satellite imagery, please do reply. For instance, I have suggested that a task be created for Coron, Palawan. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Traffic information Cebu
Hi all, Just saw some news papers announcing that the crowd sourced traffic information of Cebu is online [1] and [2] It looks great, uses Openstreetmap, but unfortunately does not seem to be updated (yet) : http://www.cebutraffic.org/ Can't wait until its real-time... Cheers, Totor [1] http://cebudailynews.ph/news/story/12575/traffic-situation--now-available-online [2] http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/445191/traffic-situation-now-available-online ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Day dependent turn restriction
Hi, I think the day_on day_off tags of the restrictions could apply : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction I would use : day_on=Friday; day_off=Saturday; Regards, Totor --- On Mon, 3/4/13, maning sambale wrote: From: maning sambale Subject: [talk-ph] Day dependent turn restriction To: osm-ph Date: Monday, March 4, 2013, 11:48 AM One of the question raised during our Cebu City workshop was how to represent turn restriction for a specific day only. An example are the roads around Santo Nino Basilica [0] where routing is restricted during Fridays. Is there a turn restriction for this? Is it being used by online routing services like OSRM (Garmin does not have this)? I was unable to answer the question but I promised to send the reply to the participants if we indeed have a schema for this type of data. Thanks! [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=10.293924lon=123.902146zoom=18layers=M -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Building, Lot and Landuse
Hi all, While checking the edits Cebu City, I found a small problem, where a whole area/lot is mapped as building to make it appear on OSM. A while ago, another mapper corrected one of my buildings, to so that it covered the whole lot. Some others to map big areas as buildings, probably because the name sometimes does not appear on the map for smaller buildings... So I wanted to make a small guide how to map buildings and how to keep the information of the whole lot (with eventually the name attached), that seems important to some. I discovered that in fact I don't know how to map a lot. I could not find a clear answer in the wiki. I would just map the lot as landuse=retail or landuse=residential, but that is normally used for big areas, not for individual lots. Any ideas ? Here is a webpage with an example picture : http://osm.totor.ph/mapping_lots/ Regards, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Meetup in Cebu City
Hi, Unfortunately I was not able to attend the mapping party, but enjoyed meeting Maning after that. Here is another view of the edits (ways only): http://osm.totor.ph/MCC20130301.png I'll have a look for eventual mistakes later this week. Cheers, Totor --- On Sat, 3/2/13, maning sambale wrote: From: maning sambale Date: Saturday, March 2, 2013, 9:05 AM We probably made a few n00b mistakes so please check and improve. Also great to finally meet Totor. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:02 AM, maning sambale wrote: Right. Will post more details later. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: There's a lot of new mappers mapping in Cebu City: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changesets?bbox=123.85%2C10.28%2C123.90%2C10.33 Nice work, maning! :-) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Cebu health facilities
Hi Marion, I usually just search in the search box of wiki.openstreetmap.org when I don't know a tag. doctors leads to : amenity=doctors Dental to : amenity=dentist Optometrists to : shop=optician ... browsing the map_features page can also give ideas http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Also keep in mind that pois are sometimes already there on areas or buildings, and do not always need to be on nodes. Cheers, Totor --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Marion Singleton wrote: From: Marion Singleton Subject: [talk-ph] Cebu health facilities To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 3:04 PM Hello I am new to this group. I am currently personlly surveying health facilities in the Cebu, Mandaue and Consolacion area of Cebu Province for my own needs. I am a newbie at adding points to the database. I have come across some of the following different types of places both public and private: Doctor offices Dental offices OptometristsPrivate clinics with and without emergency facilities Public clinics with and without emergency facilitiesHospitalsTreatment centersBirthing Centers Diagnostic test centers Health care training facilities and schools I am sure this is not an exhaustive list. What I need to know is how should each be identified on the map. What codes should I use to enter each one. I have only been using the simplest methods so far but I think it is important to differentiate to help the user find what they need. I would like to discuss this with someone very knowledgeable in this area before starting to enter the data. Please contact me here. Marion Singleton aka Bossfish -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Rivers drying out in Palawan ?
Hi all, I just traced some rivers in Palawan but they never appear on the map. It looks like other existing rivers also disappear when refreshing at higher zoom levels : river visible : http://osm.org/go/4nTtWzb- river not visible anymore when you zoom in one step. The tags look ok to me, and this only seems to happen in Palawan (I could not reproduce this in Cebu) I can not see what is wrong... (I tried to add the layer = -1 on one section, but without effect) Is there an area covering/hiding only rivers ? Is this a rendering bug ? Can anybody have a look at this ? Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] New Bing Imagery
Hi all, I think I just found some new Bing Imagery: http://osm.totor.ph/Cebu_201204.osm http://osm.totor.ph/Palawan_201103.osm More armchair mapping in view... Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Booth/exhibit ideas for PhilGEOS symposium
Hi, I just finished an animation of the (nearly) complete history of edits in Cebu City. I wanted to make a page describing how I made it before to post it here, but I'll probably not have time the coming weeks. Feel free to use (and/or modify) any of the following versions as you see fit. http://osm.totor.ph/aniCebu2.gif (800x600 animation with glow and cc-by-sa attribution, 12Mb) http://osm.totor.ph/aniCebu2.avi (same in avi format, 3Mb) http://osm.totor.ph/aniCebu2-300.gif (smaller gif in 300x225, 2Mb) Original animation without effects or attribution: http://osm.totor.ph/aniCebu.gif (600kb) Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] redaction progress
Manila is finished too now. --- On Fri, 7/20/12, Totor wrote: From: Totor Subject: [talk-ph] redaction progress To: Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list Date: Friday, July 20, 2012, 11:25 PM Hi Guys, The redaction (conversion to ODBL) of the Philippines started around 3am and finished around 6am Except Manila area, still processing at 7:30... http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php?zoom=5lat=11.48675lon=121.09767layers=B00FTTFF Regards, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] A tangogps gone mad
Oops, that was me. Sorry, Totor --- On Wed, 5/2/12, maning sambale wrote: Dear jgc, Forwarding to the list. I'm not personally aware of anyone using tangogps among the ph mappers I know. On May 2, 2012 9:09 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: Hi Maning, My server at ousm.fr has been getting tens of thousands of the same request over the last couple of days, apparently from a tangogps instance that went into an infinite loop. Allways for exactly the same tile ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] odbl coastline
Hi Maning, The user just agreed to odbl (I sent a message to his probable direct email). There seem to be two other points that could cause problems. I didn't check those. http://maps.paulnorman.ca/coastlines24b.png Regards, Totor --- On Sun, 3/25/12, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: Re:[talk-ph] odbl coastline To: Totor totor_...@yahoo.com Cc: Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 6:28 AM Masbate coadtlines are now clean On Mar 24, 2012 6:23 PM, Totor totor_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, I just read a message regarding possible coastline problems after the odbl switch. Just a little note to say the Philippines might be affected too. Here is an example of Masbate http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=123.61661lat=12.02515zoom=9overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_inrelation,wtfe_line_inrelation_cp,wtfe_line_inrelation,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created (I hope the link works...) Regards, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] odbl coastline
Hi all, I just read a message regarding possible coastline problems after the odbl switch. Just a little note to say the Philippines might be affected too. Here is an example of Masbate http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=123.61661lat=12.02515zoom=9overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_inrelation,wtfe_line_inrelation_cp,wtfe_line_inrelation,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created (I hope the link works...) Regards, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Philippines License Change-over Readiness - Contact and Remapping
Hi all, This is an old thread... I just wanted to add that end january, I also tried to contact Hellodeck directly on an identically named googlemail account (Asking if he was the same person, cos I can't be sure). I never received any answer. Cheers, Totor --- On Mon, 1/9/12, maning sambale wrote: Dear mike, Replies inline. What is needed to participate in pilot project you mentioned? would like to ask you to join the UK in a License Working Group pilot project to engage global mappers on a country-by-country basis. AFAIK, several attempts were made to contact large contributors who have not responded in the license change. In particular, I sent several emails to hellodeck. I got no response so far. guess that if contributor hellodeck can be reached, that would tip the balance. Does anyone know if that is possible? We have a list of areas that require re-mapping here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/remapping To all mappers, I suggest you update the list so that we know where to ficus re-mapping efforts. I strongly recommend that first you look at your areas and contact undecided mappers via the OpenStreetMap messaging system or directly if you know them. Further ideas on how we start remapping welcome. -- cheers, maning ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Proposal to delete the imagery coverage outlines from the OSM database
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[talk-ph] [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps
Hi all, I recognize the state of Cebu back in 2010... http://osm.totor.ph/Cebu20100607.gif Cheers, Totor --- On Thu, 3/8/12, maning sambale wrote: And they SHOULD update the extract ASAP http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/leaflet-apple.php?lat=14.451636298980508lon=121.51771545410156z=12 On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:51 AM, maning sambale wrote: Just look at Tagaytay and its obvious that Apple is using OSM data for the Philippines. Obviously a very old extract. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] what features the top 20 PH mappers are mapping
Nice information, I wonder though, how they can predict the future : Note: This ranking [...] will only display the changes made to the data tomorrow. Happy mapping tomorrow... ^_^ Totor --- On Fri, 2/3/12, maning sambale wrote: http://osmranking.altogetherlost.com/73 -- cheers, maning ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Cebu city finished
Hi all, No, Cebu city is far from finished. But after 2 months of intensive tracing from Bing I'm done (for a while). I did my best to guess the road type. (mainly residential, unclassified and track) Where I really didn't know I've put road. (in the center of Cebu city most should probably be residential) Now names need to be added, and road types verified. Some roads might be wrong, connected where they should not, or not connected where they should be. (Bing isn't always very clear). The good thing is that all this can be done by anyone, without GPS. I hope future local mappers will be more motivated now that there is already a start... Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Remarks about Bing imagery in Cebu city
Just a little note about the Bing imagery of Cebu. In Cebu city and surroundings, the highest available zoom level is old (2004) and has a relatively big offset (10 to 20 meters). Even worse, the offset seems to depend on the altitude. (Probably because the images were not taken vertically) On the transcentral highway some sharp curves with steep slopes, even have opposite offsets on the beginning and the end of the curve! One zoom level lower is recent (2009) and has a small offset that seems stable over big distances. At the beginning of each tracing session, I aligned each lower zoom level to GPS traces where they were reliable and available. (I use mainly Merkaartor, so the image layer has to be dragged again for each session) I then traced some roads and aligned the highest zoom level to those new roads, so that the alignment for the highest zoom level was done close to where I was tracing. Switching between old and new imagery is very confusing. Having to re-align the highest one regularly doesn't help. This is why (in the end) I traced most from the previous to the highest zoom level. I also noted that some of the available GPS traces are quite inaccurate. Please check things carefully before to realign roads to exising GPS traces or to the Bing imagery... Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Hi, This is great ! I checked Negros, Cebu and Bohol islands. No high resolution coverage, except for Cebu city... Cheers. Totor --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use) To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 4:46 PM Martijn has updated his tool for determining the date of the Bing imagery. Now you can see how many more zoom levels are there. I think this may make it easier to spot more Bing imagery in the Philippines. For example here is Puerto Galera: http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/?lat=13.495687421588386lon=120.9321205854468z=12 On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I updated the wiki for the date of imagery using the site in this blog: http://oegeo.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/bing-aerial-photos-for-openstreetmap-great-but-are-they-recent/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/High-resolution_imagery#Bing_Imagery On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Anthony G. Balico anthony.bal...@gmail.com wrote: You're welcome Noli, happy to help. Hurry with the experiments and there's a looot of things to do :) On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 23:24 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: Hi Anthony, Now I got it. I will do experimental editing and tracing. Thanks a lot. Regards, Noli On 12/4/10, Anthony G. Balico anthony.bal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Noli, You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar I installed the imagery plugin instead, and its working great you may give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new plugin). After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an error). By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you tick the raw gps data to pull the gps data from the db as well. After both were download, click Imagery from the main menu then choose Bing Sat. Now you're good to go :) Anthony On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. Steps 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar 2. In terminal (linux) java -jar josm-latest.jar 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) What is next to do? 4.File - New New Layer? 5. 6. 7, Any short tutorial? I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to tracing maps. Thanks. Noli On 12/1/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people become aware that there is imagery already in X town? Some suggestions: 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery . Do we have complete coverage sweep: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery is now available (via OSM messaging). 3. Seed the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as highway=road). Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in X town) :) . On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm groups within these imagery covered areas. Any ideas? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http
[talk-ph] Bing or own aerial pictures...
Hi all, Just a quick note on the imagery. I still have problems stitching them with Hugin. More details here : http://osm.totor.ph/ I was able to align part of the pictures further, using QGIS. Still not good enough in my opinion, but I won't have time to continue the experiment for the moment. Altough not good for editing, I uploaded the resulting imagery for viewing here : http://osm.totor.ph/SM-Cebu/ Selecting the My TMS main layer allows to zoom to 21! Regards, Totor --- On Sun, 11/28/10, Totor totor_...@yahoo.com wrote: That could be great to add them to gravitystorm. But wait for the final ones. The stitched images I have now are not correctly aligned yet. I hope that will be better after replacing the automatic control points with manual ones. (Now automatic points on tall building distort the ground level, so I try to place all control points on ground level.) --- On Sun, 11/28/10, maning sambale wrote: Very cool experiment! Would you like this added to the philippine images we have in the osm dev server (spot and quickbirds)? Maybe we can request gravitystorm to include this imagery. Or you can serve them yourself via tms. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Bing or own aerial pictures...
That could be great to add them to gravitystorm. But wait for the final ones. The stitched images I have now are not correctly aligned yet. I hope that will be better after replacing the automatic control points with manual ones. (Now automatic points on tall building distort the ground level, so I try to place all control points on ground level.) --- On Sun, 11/28/10, maning sambale wrote: Very cool experiment! Would you like this added to the philippine images we have in the osm dev server (spot and quickbirds)? Maybe we can request gravitystorm to include this imagery. Or you can serve them yourself via tms. On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Totor wrote: Yes, a vertical setup would be better, but I was just invited, so I took the pictures through the side window by hand. I asked the pilot for the price, but at around 3PHP for a short tour (5000PHP per person, but the helicopter has to be full...) I'm not sure I'll need a better setup ^_^ Without the Bing coverage I might have inquired about bringing only my camera on other tours. --- On Sun, 11/28/10, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Cool! I was about to ask you about your helicopter tours because of your recent edits, but Bing distracted me. Hehehe. Maybe you need a better camera set-up so you can get more vertical shots? On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Totor totor_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, The Bing imagery is great for Cebu. I just had the possibility to make some aerial pictures of Cebu myself during a helicopter tour. The resolution is slightly higher than the one of Bing. The coverage is much smaller tough ^_^ And its quite some work to rectify the pictures. I tried picture by picture with Hugin but this only works if there are reliable perpendicular lines in the pictures. Directly with q-gis, there are not enough reliable traces to align everything, and it doesn't correct the angle of my camera... Now I'm back with Hugin, but the latest version. It can now stitch and correct the movements of the camera. The automatic control points are often on top of buildings, so they have to be selected manually. You can find some initial pictures here : http://osm.totor.ph/ I'll still continue to experiment with this, but the tracing from Bing might be available earlier. Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Bing or own aerial pictures...
Hi all, The Bing imagery is great for Cebu. I just had the possibility to make some aerial pictures of Cebu myself during a helicopter tour. The resolution is slightly higher than the one of Bing. The coverage is much smaller tough ^_^ And its quite some work to rectify the pictures. I tried picture by picture with Hugin but this only works if there are reliable perpendicular lines in the pictures. Directly with q-gis, there are not enough reliable traces to align everything, and it doesn't correct the angle of my camera... Now I'm back with Hugin, but the latest version. It can now stitch and correct the movements of the camera. The automatic control points are often on top of buildings, so they have to be selected manually. You can find some initial pictures here : http://osm.totor.ph/ I'll still continue to experiment with this, but the tracing from Bing might be available earlier. Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] is the text Province of necessary in the is_in:state tags?
--- On Sat, 10/30/10, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: [...] +1. i've been doing this for a while now. additionally, i've also been removing is_in:country = Philippines and is_in:country_code = ph . two reasons: +1. I've been removing the is_in:country(_code) tag whenever I see them as well. Hi all, I have been adding this is_in:country(_code) in Cebu some time ago to make Navit's search work properly : http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMap#Search_doesn.27t_work_in_most_countries I don't use Navit anymore, but others might still like the search feature... I agree the Province of prefix is not very useful in the state name. Regards, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] cebu map errors
Hi, Thanks for the comments about Cebu. If you have noticed names to add or correct, please add them. I try to add road names when I can, but I'm local since 5 years only. I still need to rely on road name signs, and they are quite rare in many parts of Cebu. I also used shop signboards, but its difficult to drive and look out of the passenger window at the same time ^_^ So often I just add the road without name, hoping that others, eventually without GPS, will add them... Regarding the separate ways, I started to add them in Mactan and Mandaue. I come less often in the center/south of Cebu city, so I don't have reliable traces of both lanes. But little by little I correct the double carriage ways there too. Unfortunately there is no satellite imagery available here, so all needs to be traced by GPS. Regards, Totor --- On Mon, 7/12/10, tutubi wrote: From: tutubi Subject: [talk-ph] cebu map errors To: talk-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 5:37 AM hi! just came back from a recent trip in Cebu City...here are some of my observations on OSM there: some of major roads i passed by between cebu city, mandaue, and the airport have no names (even long portions of M.L. Quezon highway leading to Mactan shrine) Some segments of Juan Luna Avenue, including the SM Cebu segment, has a center island therefore should be depicted as two separate ways . this will mess up routing in the area as well and considering it's a frequently visited place I will correct the missing names later but, again, I can't make corrections on Juan Luna though, better let a local edit it ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Mount Cabac
Hi all, Anybody knows Mount Cabac in southern Leyte ? I found it here : http://osm.org/go/4tROrp-?node=332020854layers=0B00FTFT Close to mactan, in the middle of the sea. That must be wrong, no? ( Google also situates it there ^_^ ) Cheers Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Bacolod is still a big problem
Hi Craig, I saw this question several times here and there and can not agree completely. I think that Facts/Locations can not be copyrighted indeed, but maps can. It takes quite a lot of work to represent the locations of items accurately on maps. It's much easier to copy from an existing map. (Why would some OSM mappers be tempted if this was not the case?) So it seems reasonable to me to protect this work by a copyright. When you copy from a map, even small portions, you don't copy facts, but a more or less faithful representation someone else made. If you copy Google maps, you even copying someone's imagination ! Here Google has several non existing roads on the map : http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=10.3468lon=123.91864layers=B0TF Even comparing just the location should not be done, since the map seems offset... The above is also true for the satellite images (although maybe less obviously). Several years ago, I saw a duplicate parallel road on the border of stitched images (Each of them ending in a blurry house on opposite sides at some distance). I was unable to find it now, but I'm sure you'll be able to find some artifacts if you look for them. Cheers, Totor --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Craig wrote: From: Craig Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Bacolod is still a big problem To: Andre Marcelo-Tanner Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:09 AM Maybe there is something fundamental that I don't get, but, let me ask a question, please. How is it possible that a location of a road or building or anything can be copyrighted? I understand not copying entire maps, etc., from a source and then claiming it as your own is contrary to copyright, but facts, and a road location is a fact, not something created from someone's imagination. [...] ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OSM Editing Tip in 5 Minutes screencast series
Hi, I had a hard time too finding how to tag resorts. I finally use leisure=beach_resort now. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dbeach_resort To find how to tag things, I usually just search the wiki. Example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchsearch=resortfulltext=Search Regards, Totor --- On Wed, 4/28/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] OSM Editing Tip in 5 Minutes screencast series To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 10:54 AM On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:58 PM, tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote: hi maning, I'm already past that level :P So you're not a noob anymore. :) I need some sort of a cheat sheet on proper and complete tagging of ways and POIs, what I do is to explore the tags and just copy but I want the tags to be complete. OSM do not have standard tag for many things. The best way to get a feel of what the community is tagging is by looking at what other people are using (which is what we all do). Some tools that maybe helpful: osmdoc ( tagging stats for the whole world) - http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/tourism/#values tagwatch ( tagging stats for some countries) - http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Philippines/En/keystats_tourism.html and a shiny new feature in Potlatch called Find tag (bottom of your Potlach window) example, how do i tag a resort? tourism=resort? name=resortname bank with atm: amenity=bank name=bankname atm=yes i might explore JOSM or Merkaartor one of these days -- --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:43 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm making some videos on editing data in OSM. This is intended for newbies. My plan is to make short screencast focusing on one feature/editing tip. So far I made two videos using Potlatch as an editor: - Splitting ways in Potlatch - Edit data using your uploaded GPS tracks -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] import_arivac_bohol
Hi, Item 19 (internet cafe) tags are based on this page : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:internet_access A computer icon would indeed be better than a coffee cup, but in France for instance, an internet cafe often really looks like a cafe with a bar/counter too order drinks. Regards, Totor --- On Tue, 4/27/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: import_arivac_bohol To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 9:37 AM This thread is related to the arivac bohol tagging. I'm forwarding this to the list so that bohol mappers can catch-up on the discussion. Thanks to rally for pointing this out. -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:28 AM Subject: Re: import_arivac_bohol Hi, (I think this message should be on the talk-ph list, so that Bohol mappers should be in the loop. I'll answer some anyway.) The source data didn't have a separate tag for various POIs. For example, Eatery/Restaurant/Bakery/Coffee was lump into a single POI type, hence, I used a temporary tag amenity=fast_food. I suppose the ARIVAC project didn't saw the need to separate them. Anyway, it is up to the local mappers to add the appropriate tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Data_import_Arivac_Bohol#POI_tags May be for correction: Item 6 - proposed additional tag for amenity=public_building that will further distinguish it as barangay hall (opinion: it's not just any ordinary public building or office, since it has jurisdiction over certain boundaries) i think we have a ph: tag for barangay right? Item 18 - Eatery/Restaurant/Bakery/Coffee shop (have existing separate categories) Eatery -- amenity=fastfood (normally refers to a local turo-turo) Restaurant -- amenity=restaurant Bakery -- shop=bakery Coffee Shop -- amenity=cafe (being more closely related to coffeehouse) Item 19 - Internet Cafe -- shop=computer internet_access=yes (which sometimes include gaming printing) (although shop=computer should actually be used for shops selling computer) - but in terms of using icon assignment, a 'computer icon' is more intuitive than a 'coffee cup' icon for 'net cafe' Item 21 - Beauty parlor/spa -- separate tag for spa (amenity=spa) Item 22 - (separate tags for motorcycle bicycle shops) auto_supply (which temporarily use car_repair) Item 25 - Hotel (tourism=hotel); Resort (tourism=resort); budget hotels such as Lodge Inn (tourism=hostel or tourism=guest_house); if clearly tagged as motel with posted short-time or have washup rates (tourism=motel). Normally 'Lodge Inns' in rural none-tourist areas are motels item 57 item 60 'Tailor' 'Bridal gown shop' may be classified into one category; both refer to custom-fitted clothing service (like that of a couturier) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute_couture although caters to low-end market and can temporarily be generalized as shop=clothes or shop=apparel (until we can find a more tag). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features maybe shop=custom_fit_clothes or shop=couture? item 58 Ticketing Outlet -- closely related to shop=travel_agency (if it is selling tickets for travel either by air or ship) (unless this sells concert tickets, like ticketnet, then it's just an ordinary business_center) Item 56 there is existing tag shop=photo (which is more general for photostudio, photo_developers, photoshops) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] sanity check for maintaining GPS tracks
Hi, For the cleaning part, I use GPSBabel to: 1. remove low hdop/vdop (and low satellites) points 2. remove close points (1m) due to traffic-lights, parking-pauses to reduce overall file-size. 3. remove areas I often go or park to avoid clouds. (this first needs transformation to wpt, then back to trk after filtering) 4. convert raw nmea to gpx This is the script I use ($1 is input file, $2 is output file): gpsbabel -i nmea -f $1 -x discard,hdop=2,vdop=3,sat=4 -x position,distance=1m -x transform,wpt=trk,del -x polygon,exclude,file=area.loc -x transform,trk=wpt,del -o gpx -F $2 where area.loc is an exclusion polygon file containing for instance: #mepz 10.327382 123.97915 10.328248 123.97975 10.329328 123.98076 10.330446 123.98000 10.327611 123.97688 10.327382 123.97915 Regards, Totor --- On Tue, 4/13/10, maning sambale wrote: From: maning sambale Subject: [talk-ph] sanity check for maintaining GPS tracks To: osm-ph , osm-talk Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 9:50 AM I have hundreds of GPS tracks. Some are uploaded in OSM, some I forgot to upload. Some are clean, some are dirty, some are squiggly and some are a big cloud of points pointing to my house. Any advice on how to maintain/clean the tracks before uploading? -- cheers, maning ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Can any body help MTBBCD ?
MTBBCD is using Potatch. The deleted roads are probably the cause of the red lines. Thanks, Totor --- On Sun, 4/4/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Can any body help MTBBCD ? To: Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com Cc: totor_...@yahoo.com, talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 2:01 PM In potlatch, click 'U' to show deleted ways, and optionally undelete them. On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: Totor, Let me do it, how? Refer me to him/her since I'm using JOSM. I recently uploaded CDO-Davao GPX traces via JOSM. Best, murlwe -Original Message- From: Totor [totor_...@yahoo.com] Sent: 4/4/2010 7:53:53 AM To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Can any body help MTBBCD ? Hi everybody, Can anybody please help user MTBBCD. He/she is using JOSM and has troubles with a red line. I'm not using JOSM, and do not understand Tagalog... (and unfortunately Google translations are not that good) Please correct my answer if needed: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MTBBCD/diary/10177 I think it would be better to reply in Tagalog. Thanks ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Can any body help MTBBCD ?
Hi everybody, Can anybody please help user MTBBCD. He/she is using JOSM and has troubles with a red line. I'm not using JOSM, and do not understand Tagalog... (and unfortunately Google translations are not that good) Please correct my answer if needed: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MTBBCD/diary/10177 I think it would be better to reply in Tagalog. Thanks ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import
Hello all, Great data as far as it can be checked. (there are not that many gps traces in Tagbilaran with a good dop) The maximum offset to my gps tracks is around 5m Some intersections look a bit weird (4 roads join 2 by 2, then a link joins the 2 nodes instead of 1 common node for the 4 segments) but that can be fixed easily later on. Regards, Totor --- On Mon, 3/29/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 10:33 AM For the roads, here's a test OSM file for everyone to review: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/file/detail/road_basic_test.osm.zip PLEASE DO NOT UPLOAD TO OSM DATABASE! This is just a test file. Please comment. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Navit used by German Police
Hi, Yes, I tried it a several months ago on my eeepc. It's a little tricky to configure, but after that it looks pretty much like a regular GPS. Unfortunately search was not working. I added the Philippine codes to the wiki, but the last update I checked did not include it yet. Routing and turn instructions looked ok (but I only tested a basic one) I don't remember if I got any sound... I'll have to have a look again one of these days to check the progress. Regards, Totor --- On Thu, 3/4/10, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: From: Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com Subject: [talk-ph] Navit used by German Police To: OSM talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 1:01 AM Thought this might be interesting. http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/CeBIT-2010-German-police-to-use-open-source-Navit-navigation-944770.html And in particular, the link to Navit ... http://www.navit-project.org/ Anyone used this with OSM data? Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Bacolod
Wow,it looks like Google copied mgarrucho's edits pretty accurately ^_^ http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=10.68148lon=122.95614layers=B0TF Maning, you contacted him already for information? Totor --- On Wed, 2/24/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: [talk-ph] Bacolod To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 3:59 PM http://osm.org/go/4n8s7ZJ but no trace: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mgarrucho/traces -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] City in well city names
You mark a point there Eugene, that could indeed be the reason for the word City in road signs. I think we should at least be consistent in the different pages / websites. From which data is this page generated : http://openstreetmap.org.ph/viewall.php ? Regards, Totor --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: The reason why you'll see signs that add the word City is because achieving city status is a badge of honor. The city governments would like to proclaim that they are a city (which implies a more developed places) every chance they get! So I wouldn't put too much weight on those signs and government websites. ;-) My two centavos, Eugene (osm:seav) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] City in well city names
Hi everybody I put back the City in some city names in cebu : Mandaue City, Lapu-Lapu City and Danao City They were removed some time ago, and while it makes sense (unlike Cebu City, there is no Mandaue island or province...), the road signs indicate Mandaue City and Lapu-Lapu City. The address of the company I work also shows Lapu-Lapu City. These websites also mention the City in the name : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Cebu http://www.mandauecity.gov.ph/ http://www.cebu.gov.ph/ and even : http://openstreetmap.org.ph/viewall.php !!! I was not able to find anything regarding this in the wiki. Probably because European names/road signs usually don't include city (as far as I know) What is your opinion ? Should we ignore the City in most of the names or add it to all? Should we add City as stated on the road signs only? Is there an official name list ? (I never heard of Manila City :) How about Carcar, Naga, Toledo, Bogo and Talisay ? Happy mapping. Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] changes of road types
Hi everybody, I use a similar approach to Eugene. Smallest roads = unclassified if industrial or with few houses, residential if the area is, well, residential... Biggest roads and main links crossing the city = primary The others secondary or tertiairy. Trunc roads should be reserved for motorways with separated lanes without intersections/traffic lights in my opinion. I use service roads inside parking lots or private terrains. I mix this occasionnaly with a traffic based approach, downgrading primary roads or upgrading lower classes because of traffic importance. Examples: If road classification is based on size and road condition only, countryside roads should be tracks only. But in Palawan I tagged the often unpaved road from PP to El Nido as primary (but with sections marked as unpaved) http://osm.org/go/4nXgnt-- Printed maps also show this as main roads, and not as dirt tracks. If road classification is based on traffic importance, N Escario street in Cebu should be primary (there is nearly as many traffic on this shortcut as on Reyes avenue) Based on road size,one section of N Escario is a narrow unclassified road. Worse, it has a one way section, where the neighbouring residential roads handle all the traffic (jams) in the opposite direction. I mapped it as secondary, since there were already some roads with that class. But now a unclassified road with heavy traffic, has the same importance on the map, as the often nearly empty 2x3 lanes around the Ayala mall. I'll probably revisit the area, and downgrade it to tertiairy one of these days. http://osm.org/go/4tRG27AiN- A good thing this is discussed, clear rules and examples are needed, specially for beginners. Regards, Totor --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] changes of raod types To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 3:39 PM Here's my interpretation: unclassified and residential are the lowest-importance general roads. These two form the lowest level (above the service-type roads) and residential is used for roads within residential areas like subdivisions. Then in terms of increasing importance, roads go from tertiary, secondary, primary to trunk. trunk roads form the highest level of a road network. motorways are trunk roads that have special features (limited entrances, high-speed, often has toll fees, etc.). think of it like te circulatory system. trunk/motorway roads are the largest arteries and veins while unclassified/residential are the capillaries. hope this helps. [...] On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest that the tags for highway=trunk,primary,secondary,tertiary,unclassified be considered as a function of traffic patterns and not of DOTC designation nor physical appearance or condition. These values should also be considered relative to local traffic patterns. This means that levels will be different in an urban and rural setting: a trunk in Metro Manila does not have to be equivalent in function to a trunk in Nueva Vizcaya. Here are some descriptive interpretations I might suggest (subject to discussion): trunk (rural) : long-distance route to traverse across provinces primary (rural) : mid-distance route to travel between towns in a province secondary (rural) : major streets within rural towns tertiary (rural) : major streets within areas of rural towns unclassified,residential (rural) : other roads in rural towns trunk (urban) : long-distance route across the metropolis primary (urban) : major road within a metropolitan city secondary (urban) : mid-level road within a metropolitan city tertiary (urban) : minor road in a metropolitan city unclassified,residential (urban) : other roads in metropolitan cities I'll admit that I have no fixed idea as to how to tag roads such that relative functional importance within Metro Manila (Cebu, Davao) is consistent when you get outside Metro Manila (Cebu, Davao). The problem is that in urban areas, the road density is so high such that we need to differentiate the roads a lot, whereas in rural areas, the density is low. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] request for map bug squashing
Hi, Here is another tool I use for finding bugs. In case all the openbugs are corrected... http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XDlon=121.03488lat=14.57708zoom=11layers=B00Tch30=1ch40=1ch50=1ch60=1ch70=1ch90=1ch100=1ch110=0ch120=1ch130=0ch150=1ch160=1ch170=1ch180=1ch191=1ch192=1ch193=1ch194=1ch201=1ch202=1ch203=1ch204=1ch210=1ch220=1show_ign=1show_tmpign=1ch=0%2C30%2C40%2C50%2C60%2C70%2C120%2C130%2C150%2C160%2C170%2C180%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C201%2C202%2C203%2C204%2C210%2C220%2C231%2C232%2C270%2C281%2C282%2C283%2C284 Happy mapping Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] How to tag Subdivisions - Villages ?
Hi everybody, I'm not really happy with my Subdivision name tags in Cebu City. I'm currently using place=suburb wich seems the smallest city sub-division. The name already appears on low zoom levels and will clutter the map. (The name appears on the map like barangays, making it difficult to differentiate both.) http://osm.org/go/4tRHqMU-- The lower sub-division of cities would be a locality, but this is for An unpopulated, named place. It doesn't seem much used also. I used to map Subdivisions as place=subdivision. A tag that seems to be used in the Philippines ; http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Philippines/En/keystats_place.html Unfortunately this is not part of the official tags, and then the name never appears on any map http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/255051865 Any ideas or suggestions? How do you tag (private) subdivisions? Regards, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
First of all, I'm happy all of you are ok. It might be a little off topic here, but I want to share some links to/from a typhoon information site I discovered several years ago : http://www.typhoon2000.ph/ There is another typhoon most probably passing north of Luzon : http://www.typhoon2000.ph/activetrack.gif I really hope it will not bring too much rain this weekend :-( Some sat images of Ondoy rainfall : http://www.eorc.jaxa.jp/TRMM/NRTtyphoon/ts0917W_e.htm Cheers, Totor ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Great, but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating island ??? http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XDzoom=14lat=10.35578lon=123.92528layers=B0Tch30=1ch40=1ch50=1ch60=1ch70=1ch90=1ch100=1ch110=1ch120=1ch130=1ch150=1ch160=1ch170=1ch180=1ch191=1ch192=1ch193=1ch194=1ch201=1ch202=1ch203=1ch204=1ch210=1ch220=1show_ign=1show_tmpign=1 Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the intersections look ok to me... --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global To: OSM talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM Hi guys, The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost global. Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This tool highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping unconnected ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and tagging errors (such as POIs without a name tag). Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XDzoom=15lat=14.55284lon=121.02068layers=B0Tch30=1ch40=1ch50=1ch60=1ch70=1ch90=1ch100=1ch110=1ch120=1ch130=1ch150=1ch160=1ch170=1ch180=1ch191=1ch192=1ch193=1ch194=1ch201=1ch202=1ch203=1ch204=1ch210=1ch220=1show_ign=1show_tmpign=1 Just pan around to see more errors. Only 100 errors are shown at a time. A few reminders: 1. There may be false positives. Report it to the tool maintainer. 2. The data is not real time! Errors are based on the weekly data dump. So if you correct the error, it will still be reported until the next data dump is imported by the tool. Have fun! -- Forwarded message -- From: Harald Kleiner e9625...@gmx.at Date: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 6:53 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global To: OSM Talk t...@openstreetmap.org ...well, almost. From now on, the site http://keepright.ipax.at will provide data consistency checks not only for Europe but also for Africa, Asia and South America. Australia is already covered by the keepright partner site at http://keepright.x10hosting.com/ What's still missing in the list is North America. Volunteers who want to donate computing power are welcome to join. All you need is a medium-sized PC running Linux and a little bit of time to manage running the program. Have a nice weekend! Harald ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] importing Palawan roads
Hi, FYI, I edited the road from Puerto to Elnido based on GPS traces I made last april. That might save some gasoline ;-D http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Totor/traces/355844 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Totor/traces/355842 Regards, Totor --- On Tue, 6/16/09, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: RFC: importing Palawan roads To: Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 8:07 AM May Garmin GPS ba yung Palwan rider? I can prepare a garmin map for him to verify. (That's a lot fuel, btw.) On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Marloue Pidormur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: @maning: What is you suggestion? @George: I already downloaded the shape file for Palawan roads. Can you send or give the URL to our Palawan guy for verification? I will email you off-list. murlwe -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: 6/14/2009 5:43:58 PM To: mur...@mail2engineer.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: RFC: importing Palawan roads D? :) On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Marloue Pidormur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: D) I have another suggestion. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage POP3 Calendar SMS Translator Much More! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] welcome new osm-ph list subscribers
Hello everybody, and thanks for the welcome... For those who don't know me yet, (I guess all, except maybe Maning with who I already exchanged some mails) I'm a Dutch guy, living in Cebu city since several years now, and enjoying it much here. I recently discovered openstreetmaps, and found it worth contributing to. Next week I'll go back to Holland for my yearly holiday, so my mapping in Cebu City will pause for a while. When I'm back, I'd need some clarifications, or guidelines, on how to classify the roads here in Cebu. I have difficulties in relating the guidelines about the tags to the reality. Right now, there is primary roads, and residential roads mainly. I don't know how to improve this, since some main large roads (like A.S. Fortuna) don't even have a dividing line (this means it is 1 lane only ?) but the trafic is driving on 4 lanes (2 each side)... The Cebu North road, really gets narrow at some sections when going south, and would not be considered a main road abroad in those sections... The South (SRP) road is now mapped as a single motorway. It should be 2 one way roads... 3 lanes each if I remember well. But can it be a motorway road ? It is the closest to a motorway I ever saw here in Cebu, but I'm not sure there is a hard shoulder, there are many intersections and traffic lights, often tricycles also ride there... I guess a trunk road would be more appropriate. Any suggestions how to deal with all this ? Happy mapping! Totor --- On Thu, 5/28/09, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: [talk-ph] welcome new osm-ph list subscribers To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 10:10 AM Hi new list members, Welcome! I somehow lost track of new members of this list, but I think we are getting new subscribers every week. I welcome you all to the OSM-Philippines mailinglist. [...] ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
